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2012-11-18 10:14:43 AM
I guess she hung in there because of her dad, but this is hardly a surprise.
 
2012-11-18 10:18:36 AM
Small steps...
 
2012-11-18 10:19:31 AM
No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.
 
2012-11-18 10:20:27 AM
Why give it two years? What does she expect to happen that will drive out the social conservatives leaving only fiscal conservatives?
 
2012-11-18 10:20:43 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


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2012-11-18 10:20:46 AM
She'll see change, but there are decent odds the change won't be to her liking.
 
2012-11-18 10:33:36 AM
So?
 
2012-11-18 10:34:37 AM
But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.
 
2012-11-18 10:40:04 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


I had a clever comment to add. Now I can't even remember what it was. Amazing.
 
2012-11-18 10:44:26 AM
I would have sexual relations with those juicy, juicy tits.
 
2012-11-18 10:45:08 AM

GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.


Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.
 
2012-11-18 10:59:34 AM

unlikely: GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.

Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.


Mitt Romney's camp thought he was going to win the election because he was winning independents. What they didn't realize was that the "independents" he was winning were former republicans who at least had enough self-awareness to be too ashamed to call themselves republicans.
 
2012-11-18 11:12:25 AM
Once she inherits mommies beer distribution empire she'll go back. Then she will tell us about that boot strappy thing.
 
2012-11-18 11:14:40 AM
If the few moderate Republicans want real change in the party, they need to give up this bullshiat of "registering as an Independent" (and then voting Republican).

I think the only way to retake the party from the lunatics is to blow it the fark up. Republicans who are disenfranchised need to just bite the bullet and register as Democrats. The truth is that the Democrats have moved so far to the right in the past 45 years that most of their policies are already in line with the Republicans of the past, When the Democrats obliterate the Republicans in the House, Senate, Governorships, etc for a couple of cycles, the party might be weakened enough for the sane conservatives to retake it.
 
2012-11-18 11:25:37 AM

unlikely: GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.

Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.


In fairness, I still consider myself fairly Conservative, but the GOP is now firmly in the hands of radicals. The party has given up on any pretense of fiscal restraint, actively hates a fair amount of the population, and is adamant on fighting against anything resembling equity or the rights of individuals. I hung in for years, hoping to vote in sane candidates, but that voice was drowned out, and it just didn't help. I gave up my membership to the party after casting my ballot in the last Primary, and it didn't do a damn bit of good to keep Romney off the roster.

I'm not a Democrat, but if the choice is between a radical, and centerist with a plan for the future that doesn't involve shooting or jailing dissenters, then I have to go with the candidate with a sane plan for the future, and those are rarer and rarer within the ranks of the GOP. They've embraced radicalism, and still want to call "Conservative" in the same way that "Social Conservatives" hate their neighbors and want to establish a radicalized view of freedom of religion.

I want sane fiscal policy so my daughter isn't saddled with huge debts. I want sane domestic policy that doesn't demonize my neighbors for simply existing. I like our Constitutional protections, and that means I like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, I like the right to seek legal redress, I like both the Second and First Amendments. Freedom of religion isn't about liking only ONE faith or ministry, and that means that marriage equality is sort of an issue--not all ministries have a problem with same sex couples, and if folks don't want to marry gay and lesbian couples, that's their business, but likewise the folks who do want to perform those ceremonies, we can't really stand in their way, and likewise, it comes down to equality under the law. Marriage equality IS an issue, and it's one that good Conservatism should have stood for, rather than listening to a bunch of radicals who want to impose their faith on the rest of the nation. I want sane foreign policy, and that means scaling back our adventures overseas. That means encouraging the UN to step up to the plate, instead of just saddling ourselves with more and more debt to play policeman across the globe, because Germany and France and the UK are glad to have us send our men and women overseas to secure their interests, and NOT foot any of the bill. We need to stop embracing radicals because they happen to be fighting against the folks we have problems with today, and never mind what they might turn into tomorrow. We need to fulfill the promise of the Constitution for all our citizens, not just the ones who smile pretty.

Our freedoms aren't the freedoms to be pleasant and chatty. They are the freedom to piss each other off. To disagree, even vehemently, and STILL be united as a nation. To have a public discourse that doesn't demonize the other. Right now, the GOP isn't really interested in that. Not the leadership, not the vocal rank and file, and they are embracing the most radicalized voices as their champions, and that IS a turn off. It isn't remotely Conservative. We need thoughtful approaches to taxation, rational responses to threats to our domestic tranquility, thoughtful approaches to justice. We have folks who fear education, who fear progress, who fear science, and that has never been a particularly "Conservative" process, but that embraced by radicals who fear change. Conservative thought has been about thoughtful and care in the changes our society has wrought. Careful consideration to decisions that may have unforeseen consequences. And that isn't really what the last twenty years has been about, but increasingly radical voices, who put blinders on to consequences, and then try to paint those consequences as the result of "unforeseen circumstances." But that is sort of the point of a Conservative view--that you take the time to consider the possible fallout. Like, what might happen if you back a dictator over the duly elected government, like in Iran. Like what backing religiously motivated freedom fighters against the Soviets and then abandon those freedom fighters entirely to try to organize a shattered nation like in Afghanistan. This hasn't been a hallmark of the Republican party for some time, and that really is the issue. It has been moving far and away from Conservatism, while trying to retain the title, and what is occurring that folks are starting to pay attention, and realize that by bringing radicals under the Big Tent, we've pushed away those Conservative voices, and replaced them with the shrill squawkings of maddest and loudest, and called those voices "Conservative" because the title was more palatable than "Batsh*t Crazy."
 
2012-11-18 11:36:21 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If the few moderate Republicans want real change in the party, they need to give up this bullshiat of "registering as an Independent" (and then voting Republican).

I think the only way to retake the party from the lunatics is to blow it the fark up. Republicans who are disenfranchised need to just bite the bullet and register as Democrats. The truth is that the Democrats have moved so far to the right in the past 45 years that most of their policies are already in line with the Republicans of the past, When the Democrats obliterate the Republicans in the House, Senate, Governorships, etc for a couple of cycles, the party might be weakened enough for the sane conservatives to retake it.


This illustrates a common misconception.

Registering in either party doesn't mean that you have to vote a straight ticket. If you vote a straight ticket, without considering the merits of each candidate on their own, then you have failed your civic duty. What registering does do is allow you to help choose who is on the ticket. Nothing more. It allows you to have a voice on who gets on the ballot, but that never locks you into who you vote for. Well, unless you're some sheep who believes that EVERYONE in your party is inherently better than the OTHER.

Registering Democrat would mean that I got to help choose the Democratic candidates, certainly. But at this point, given the levels of Crazy Train that has infected my former party, that really doesn't give me much control there either. For me, it means that I don't align with either DERP Brigades, and can show to BOTH parties that their platforms aren't attractive enough for me to align with one or the other. Which means that centerists on both sides have the opportunity to show me if they're worth voting for.

I DID have hopes that the Modern Whigs would get themselves together enough to become a valid third party. That was sort of negated when the Astroturf that is the TEA Party came along, and more's the pity, because they had a platform I could get behind.

Just joint the Democrats isn't really an option. I vote for the sanest candidate, no matter the party. Registering just means that would have some impact on who the party chooses, and given that I prefer a far more Conservative approach, that means that my voice is likewise going to be drowned out in the Democratic as well as Republican Primaries. Better to be in that pool of what the media likes to call "undecided" voters so that candidates can expose their positions in bolder language so that I can choose between the less DERPy of the them, and let them show their hands.
 
2012-11-18 11:41:19 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


I think we're done here.
 
2012-11-18 11:55:14 AM

FirstNationalBastard: AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.

I think we're done here.


no we aren't. we need more pictures.
 
2012-11-18 12:11:13 PM

hubiestubert: This illustrates a common misconception.

Registering in either party doesn't mean that you have to vote a straight ticket.


Of course not, but severely dwindling Republican registrations along with increasing Democratic registrations would highlight the problem and garner some media attention that would be harder to ignore than having registered Republicans voting for Dems or simply staying home. Hell, if moderate conservatives could influence the Democrats to move just a little further right, they'd be squarely where the Republicans used to be and it would be liberals who would find themselves looking for a party that represents them.

Personally, I like to take the opposite approach. I'm the leftiest leftist libtard who ever libbed a lib... since I live in a solidly blue state, I register Republican and vote for the least electable radicals during the primaries, but I'm kind of a dick.
 
2012-11-18 12:23:27 PM

ManateeGag: FirstNationalBastard: AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.

I think we're done here.

no we aren't. we need more pictures.


Meghan McCain is one of those women who really benefit from raccoon eye makeup. I don't know how the phenomenon works, but it does:

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2012-11-18 12:49:09 PM
Meghan who? 

gaaaaa...doesn't matter. Another nobody and political suckerfish trying to sell a book or something.  
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2012-11-18 12:49:52 PM
No she isn't. The only interesting thing about her is that she's a Republican.
 
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2012-11-18 12:50:45 PM
well, then.....tits or gtfo.
 
2012-11-18 12:54:45 PM
Go get fatter.
 
2012-11-18 12:54:58 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


Always good to be reminded that Republicans don't have an exclusive lock on the War on Women.
 
2012-11-18 12:55:48 PM
Because somehow the republicans have gotten less crazy over the last decade Megan?

Yeah, lets hope they get back to where they were under bush jr....
 
2012-11-18 12:56:13 PM
But she won't, because otherwise grandpa will take away her trust fund
 
2012-11-18 12:56:50 PM

Pappas: No she isn't. The only interesting thing about her is that she's a Republican.


Pretty much that. If she didn't have the "I'm a Republican, but I don't follow lockstep with the party" Maverick, Jr angle, no one would pay attention to her.
 
2012-11-18 12:59:33 PM
Why wait? They've shown themselves incapable of adapting to clearly changing demographics and moral standards for decades now, what makes you think the next four years are going to be any different?
 
2012-11-18 01:00:33 PM
oh my god i don't care
 
2012-11-18 01:01:07 PM
I don't get the attraction to her. She's a fat idiot with a lot of money and a Senator daddy. It's not like she is the bright future of the GOP. She's about as deep as the kiddy pool at the YMCA.
 
2012-11-18 01:01:10 PM
I know I'm not the first to say it, but registering as an independent is irrelevant when you're just going to vote Republican anyway.
It's like breaking up with an abusive husband but still stopping by to screw him whenever he calls. Pointless.
 
2012-11-18 01:01:50 PM

Lsherm: Meghan McCain is one of those women who really benefit from having large tits.


Fixed. No one gives a fark about her eye makeup. Or her party affiliation, for that matter.
 
2012-11-18 01:02:06 PM
If Paul McCartney wants boogie woogie, he doesn't wait 4 years, he writes Lady Madonna right then and there.
 
2012-11-18 01:02:10 PM
In four years she'll be just right to anchor something on Fox News.
 
2012-11-18 01:03:08 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


I see my work here is done.
 
2012-11-18 01:03:56 PM

Theaetetus: AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.

Always good to be reminded that Republicans don't have an exclusive lock on the War on Women.


Here's the pitch...swing and a miss.
 
2012-11-18 01:04:40 PM
Sweetie; as long as you and your family register as Republicans, give them money, help them get elected, and vote with them once elected, you're part of the problem.

And if it takes you well over a decade to split with a group of crazies, you really got to ask if the problem isn't fully them and not you.

For the life of me, I don't understand why anyone not directly running for office would register for *any* political party.
 
2012-11-18 01:05:02 PM
Inderpendents:
Want health care fixed but don't want to pay for it.
Want abortion outlawed except for rape and incest.
Want tax cuts and less spending on programs they don't use.
Want cheap food without subsidies.
Want illegal immigrant labor but don't want to pay for it.
Want civil unions but not gay marriage
Want the poll workers to check your ID but don't want Voter ID laws.
Would prefer Obama have less of a tan Obama
 
2012-11-18 01:06:37 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


a thousand times this.
 
2012-11-18 01:08:29 PM

wildcardjack: In four years she'll be just right to anchor something on Fox News.


Bingo. She's gonna be the disingenuous 'voice' of the 'kids' hurt by the 'entitled' democrat baby boomers.
 
2012-11-18 01:09:09 PM
I'd like to register my my affiliation to her bosoms.

4 MORE YEARS...
 
2012-11-18 01:09:35 PM

Bontesla: Why give it two years? What does she expect to happen that will drive out the social conservatives leaving only fiscal conservatives?


When were there ever fiscal conservatives in the GOP?
 
2012-11-18 01:10:03 PM
Yes, "registrating differently" will really show 'em! Way to go!

And youare going to wait another 4 years to see if your political equivalent of "my husband is beating me" is going to stop? Way to make a stand.
 
2012-11-18 01:10:26 PM

Theaetetus: AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.

Always good to be reminded that Republicans don't have an exclusive lock on the War on Women.


iokiyanr
 
2012-11-18 01:11:01 PM

unlikely: Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.


It's about a third of independents who effectively identify with the GOP. Contrariwise, it's almost exactly the same fraction of independents who effectively identify with the Democratic Party. (Linky.)

kxs401: Mitt Romney's camp thought he was going to win the election because he was winning independents. What they didn't realize was that the "independents" he was winning were former republicans who at least had enough self-awareness to be too ashamed to call themselves republicans.


Looking at the CNN exit poll data, it seems perhaps worse than that. He barely won with independent voters, 50:45... but they were only 29% of the electorate, and Democrats outnumbered Republicans 38% to 32%. That looks like the independents he was winning were the former Republicans the GOP had driven out from the name, but that many of the Democrats Obama was winning were Independents who the GOP have driven into the Democratic Party.

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Republicans who are disenfranchised need to just bite the bullet and register as Democrats.


Even leaving aside hubiestubert's sound objections, depends which type of Republican. Again, (Linky.)

At this point, the Tea Party and Religious Values voters are just shy of 50% of the party. There's a slim chance there would be a messy fission of the GOP, in which case there's a near-even chance that in the procedural and legal battle the TP&RV might lose control of the brand name to the other factions, and have to make a new one; but it could go the other way around. Odds are, the TP&RV aren't going anywhere.

The "Pro-Government" Republicans look likely they could get along with that coalition. They seem unlikely to go anywhere either.

The Old School Republicans might start defecting to the Democrats, but they have a problem: they're going to be the most extreme right-wing faction in that tent. In so far as they bring big money in their own pockets, a few may be able to get a few elected as "Blue Dog" democrats, and they might be able to have some influence there. However, they're going to be outnumbered by factions more to the left; they'd at most be moderating influences. The best they'd likely do is keep the tax rates from becoming punitive and business regulations unnecessarily draconian. They seem unlikely to be happy with their welcome. They honestly might have a better chance throwing the money behind the Libertarian party -- if they focus on regional elections in 2014, and if they can accept that in the short term the effect will be acting more as "spoilers". The real difficulty is that libertarians don't tend much saner than the GOP these days, with little principled objection to racism by non-government actors (and apparently principled objection to government attempts to counteract such), leaving what seems a significant chance the more racist Tea Party Crazies might follow into the Libertarians if the GOP becomes non-viable.

But the "Window Shopper" Republicans? Looking at the exit polls, and comparing it to the Kaiser data, shows how remarkably few Republicans voted for Obama, when so many "Window Shopper" Republicans were leaning that way. It's conceivable that Romney's brilliant performance at the end of the campaign herded them back into the fold (reading SF broadens your imagination), but it seems far more likely that the "Window Shoppers" are not so much going anywhere as already gone -- no longer identifying as Republicans.
 
2012-11-18 01:11:37 PM
"We must accept each other and the different opinions within the party...We can't let the Tea Party bully us any longer."

So some opinions are more equal than others?
 
2012-11-18 01:13:26 PM

Patterson: I'd like to register my my affiliation to her bosoms.

4 MORE YEARS...


"My my my!"
 
2012-11-18 01:15:06 PM

Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the attraction to her. She's a fat idiot with a lot of money and a Senator daddy. It's not like she is the bright future of the GOP. She's about as deep as the kiddy pool at the YMCA.


She's the GOP's plan for appealing to young people. Their whole plan is: 'Hey young people! Look at this pretty, young, rich, white person (who is also an asshole). If they want the same thing that the rich, old white people (who are also assholes, only moreso) want, our agenda can't be all bad, right? Vote Republican! Still not sold? Well what if we said the pretty, young, rich, white person only hates gays a little? Does that make it more sympathetic? No? Well then I'm going to need to see 3 forms of identification before you vote.'

It's not working so well for them.
 
2012-11-18 01:15:14 PM
 
2012-11-18 01:16:10 PM
The ONLY changes you might see from the gop are

1. Their attempts to keep their desire to ban abortion and ban other stuff kept "under the table". Of course if they win, it's be a Roundhead Jam-bo-ree!

2. They'll try to convince all the brown people that the Democrats are the real racists (HA HA HA OH WOW!)

3. In place of the void left from not talking about their social agenda, they'll play up their Randian talking points. Yes you too who are making sub minimum wage at your pizza delivery job! You can become a millionaire if only you vote gop!
 
2012-11-18 01:18:22 PM
I encourage lots of Republicans to become Independents. Then, in 2014 and 2016, the GOP brass can have lots of fun ignoring the fact that the vast majority of new Independents are just ashamed Republicans. And then the rest of us can have lots of fun laughing at them when their internal models fail.

Everyone wins.
 
2012-11-18 01:18:48 PM

jaytkay: The Republican-dominated Alabama legislature successfully adopted some change recently.

They voted to prevent Obama's communist mind-control UN takeover of America.

President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.
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Thank God they recognized Obama's sinister agenda and took decisive action.
 
2012-11-18 01:19:25 PM

jaytkay: The Republican-dominated Alabama legislature successfully adopted some change recently.

They voted to prevent Obama's communist mind-control UN takeover of America.

President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.
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as much as I would LOVE to give Alabama credit for this, unfortunately it says "Georgia" right on the tin

/Atlanta-area resident
//even the local, heavily conservative-leaning news is laughing at them about this
 
2012-11-18 01:20:10 PM
*snort* WE all know she voted for Obama twice.
 
2012-11-18 01:24:03 PM
What office has she run for and why would we care about her?
 
2012-11-18 01:24:43 PM

jaytkay:
President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.


bahahaha...
Those folks at the Onion crack me up.
 
2012-11-18 01:26:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: What office has she run for and why would we care about her?


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2012-11-18 01:27:06 PM

The Bestest: as much as I would LOVE to give Alabama credit for this, unfortunately it says "Georgia" right on the tin


dammit I have freeper-level powers of accuracy.

If it's any consolation, up north we kinda think Georgia = Alabama :-)
 
2012-11-18 01:31:21 PM
If you didn't get off the train in Rapeville, odds are you're going with it when it finally crashes into Nutbar Gorge.
 
2012-11-18 01:31:27 PM
Meghan/Bristol 2024!
 
2012-11-18 01:34:57 PM

ReverendJasen: The My Little Pony Killer: What office has she run for and why would we care about her?

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2012-11-18 01:35:26 PM

Bontesla: Why give it two years? What does she expect to happen that will drive out the social conservatives leaving only fiscal conservatives?


She's secretly hoping the teabaggers can turn it around. The "independent" party she joins will be full of people who think the republican party isn't conservative enough.
 
2012-11-18 01:35:58 PM
Isn't she the one who said on the Bill Maher show that she didn't know about history that happened before she was born, as in, who reads books like that?
 
2012-11-18 01:36:20 PM

The Bestest: Meghan/Bristol 2024!


Now that's a ticket I can get behind!
 
2012-11-18 01:37:34 PM

wildcardjack: In four years she'll be just right to anchor something on Fox News.


The dirigible?
 
2012-11-18 01:42:04 PM

MSFT: Isn't she the one who said on the Bill Maher show that she didn't know about history that happened before she was born, as in, who reads books like that?


She's not the sharpest knife in the draw, but seems decent enough, A true RINO.

But there's only one reason anyone cares about her. OK, two reasons. Two, huge, buxom, shapely, voluptuous reasons.
 
2012-11-18 01:42:53 PM

MisterRonbo: The Bestest: Meghan/Bristol 2024!

Now that's a ticket I can get behind!


Or in front of.
 
2012-11-18 01:42:57 PM

404 page not found: ReverendJasen: The My Little Pony Killer: What office has she run for and why would we care about her?

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2012-11-18 01:44:04 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: MisterRonbo: The Bestest: Meghan/Bristol 2024!

Now that's a ticket I can get behind!

Or in front of.


Or in between.
 
2012-11-18 01:45:22 PM
Where was this during the campaign? Seeing all these GOPers throwing Romney under the bus for saying exactly what they believe is funny.
 
2012-11-18 01:46:33 PM

AcneVulgaris: wildcardjack: In four years she'll be just right to anchor something on Fox News.

The dirigible?


Don't you mean "The Dirigibles"?

/Oh, the huge mammaries!
 
2012-11-18 01:50:04 PM
I'm surprised that I'm the first person to make some kind of bawdy comment about Meghan McCain's physical attributes.

I thought I *knew* this site, man.
 
2012-11-18 01:50:04 PM
Cut!

Ok, that was good Meghan, but can you be a little more breathy in this next take, and undo that top button on your blouse? Great.
 
2012-11-18 01:51:55 PM
I didn't think it was possible, but this mindless twit is more if a convictionless attention whore
than her old man is.
 
2012-11-18 01:52:06 PM
If you're a woman and you're still a Republican, even after everything they've done in the last few years, then you're never going to leave. "If he hits me just one more time, I'm going to leave him. I mean it this time!"

Riiiiiiiiiiight.
 
2012-11-18 01:52:50 PM
I feel sorry for her. Her father couldn't even manage to spell "Megan" correctly.
 
2012-11-18 01:54:39 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'm surprised that I'm the first person to make some kind of bawdy comment about Meghan McCain's physical attributes.

I thought I *knew* this site, man.


Good heavens man, this isn't the kind of place for obvious, low-browed comments.
 
2012-11-18 01:57:25 PM
Unfortunately is there are people who call themselves 'independents' yet have zero clue on what the hell a political platform is anyways. then there are republicans who call themselves independents in order to pretend they give a flying shiat about the filth called the voter.
Libertarians who align themselves with republicans are not libertarians

/Vote for the guy who says he is going to take away all your government programs and sell them to the highest private bidder.
//Then the private company goes bankrupt every five years and get a government bailout from the republicans in order to keep hosing the people embezzling the peoples programs repeatedly.
 
2012-11-18 02:02:56 PM
Meghan McCain.

Cute, but stupid.
 
2012-11-18 02:06:23 PM

hubiestubert: Registering just means that would have some impact on who the party chooses, and given that I prefer a far more Conservative approach, that means that my voice is likewise going to be drowned out in the Democratic as well as Republican Primaries.


Hubie, I respect that you're trying to be rational, but you need to accept something: the Democrats ARE conservatives in the big picture. Honestly, even if you really do fall objectively to the right of them on a majority of issues (which I doubt), you probably have a better shot at getting someone you find palatable on the Dem ticket than the Republican one these days, and with less of a Devil's Bargain to boot.
 
2012-11-18 02:06:23 PM

St_Francis_P: Good heavens man, this isn't the kind of place for obvious, low-browed comments.


*looks at the ground sadly, kicks a tin can down the road*
 
2012-11-18 02:06:42 PM

Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the attraction to her.


She's not a rich, geriatric WASP and hasn't repelled the public with a display of cosmic Bachmann-orbit lunacy. Yet. And in the spirit of 'fair and balanced':

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-18 02:08:42 PM
I think what's really strange is that Republican politicians seem to begat Republican kids. My wife taught some local R's kids and said each and every one of them was brainwashed. They basically spoke in Republican talking points, regardless of the topic.
 
2012-11-18 02:10:52 PM

St_Francis_P: 404 page not found: ReverendJasen: The My Little Pony Killer: What office has she run for and why would we care about her?

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/Let's hear it for large areolas!


I feel like I've just seen "The Pamela Anderson Story" over here!
 
2012-11-18 02:13:44 PM
Let's see - neither 2000 nor 2004 represented overwhelming endorsement of the GOP candidate ... in fact, were it not for the hocus-pocus that installed him in the Oval Office in 2000, we might not even be having this discussion. But whatever. I think we've all learned our lesson there. So moving on ...
... along comes 2008, when a folksy war hero and and pretty housewife couldn't beat the black guy with the funny name.
And then there's 2012, when a clueless rich white guy (another GOP icon) and a pretty budget geek couldn't beat the black guy with the funny name.

Yep, change or historical irrelevance is now in store for the Republican Party.
 
2012-11-18 02:16:01 PM
We saw this coming from miles away


"We" meaning anyone who would give a rat's ass? Is she a poli-sci student with political ambitions or does she just like being on the scene and having her picture taken?
 
2012-11-18 02:16:14 PM
Shut up, Meg.
 
2012-11-18 02:19:27 PM
I like Meghan, and just not physically. I hope that she can talk some sense into the GOP because I will not vote for any Republican candidate anywhere on the ballot so long as they cater to Theocrats, bigots, homophobes,anti-intellectualists, and Teahadists. Last go-round, I voted Gary Johnson and straight Democrat for the others...as well as marriage equality and pot decriminalization.

This country needs a rational, secular, and truly fiscally conservative party (and not that fake crap we've been getting for more than a decade). Perhaps people like Ms. McCain can help make that happen.
 
2012-11-18 02:20:25 PM

jaytkay: The Republican-dominated Alabama legislature successfully adopted some change recently.

They voted to prevent Obama's communist mind-control UN takeover of America.

President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x388]


Read that and the follow ups, THANK GOD for Progressives with video phones. It's a little thing, but just one more cockroach got a light shined on him
 
2012-11-18 02:20:56 PM

unlikely:

Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.


Not true! Some of us who left the Republican Party no long wish to be associated with our former political affiliation.

Unlikely, you are still on my "Favorites" list. You always seem to be open minded. I like that, a lot.
 
2012-11-18 02:21:57 PM
Because boobs talk.

If she was a man, she'd have to get a real job.
 
2012-11-18 02:28:06 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Because boobs talk.


Really? shiat, how do I start training mine to talk? That sounds AWESOME!
 
2012-11-18 02:29:33 PM
If we had a betting pool on prominent Republicans jumping ship, I'd plop a couple of bucks down on Chris Christie.
 
2012-11-18 02:30:26 PM

jso2897: If we had a betting pool on prominent Republicans jumping ship, I'd plop a couple of bucks down on Chris Christie.


He may get pushed off before he jumps; but yeah.
 
2012-11-18 02:31:10 PM

CapeFearCadaver: HotIgneous Intruder: Because boobs talk.

Really? shiat, how do I start training mine to talk? That sounds AWESOME!


Maybe they could give a guy some advice when it's fun time.
 
2012-11-18 02:35:47 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: CapeFearCadaver: HotIgneous Intruder: Because boobs talk.

Really? shiat, how do I start training mine to talk? That sounds AWESOME!

Maybe they could give a guy some advice when it's fun time.


So like a secret double agent? "Pssst, hey, you; yeah, you... I know you're busy sucking on me, but I got something to say to you... shhhh, it's okay, keep being in your happy place... You know the girl that I'm attached to? Yeah, that whole body that I come from? She's really cool... you should put a ring on it."

Ahhh, the possibilities!
 
2012-11-18 02:39:27 PM
Big farkin' tits. Damn I'd like to stick my dick between them big-ass boobs.
 
2012-11-18 02:40:06 PM

CapeFearCadaver: I May Be Crazy But...: CapeFearCadaver: HotIgneous Intruder: Because boobs talk.

Really? shiat, how do I start training mine to talk? That sounds AWESOME!

Maybe they could give a guy some advice when it's fun time.

So like a secret double agent? "Pssst, hey, you; yeah, you... I know you're busy sucking on me, but I got something to say to you... shhhh, it's okay, keep being in your happy place... You know the girl that I'm attached to? Yeah, that whole body that I come from? She's really cool... you should put a ring on it."

Ahhh, the possibilities!


I was thinking more along the lines of "You know what she really likes..."

I can be told it's time for me to put a ring on her by her grandmother without interrupting anything.

/And now I just thought about her grandmother and getting frisky with my fiancee right next to each other.
//'Scuse me, I have some heavy drinking to do.
 
2012-11-18 02:41:28 PM

jso2897: If we had a betting pool on prominent Republicans jumping ship, I'd plop a couple of bucks down on Chris Christie.


My money's on Jon Huntsman.

On topic, Meghan McCain is only of the barest interest because of who her father is, that she is apparently somewhat sane (which is a big deal in the GOP), and her giant sweater puppies (her overall chubbiness aside). But let's get real. She isn't running for office or setting an agenda or anything. She's just famous for being a Republican curiosity. If she were to leave the party, then she would cease to be interesting. She would just be a moderate-conservative celebrity child who isn't thin enough or polished enough to be a TV host.
 
2012-11-18 02:41:42 PM
Given that she is persona non grata with the Republicans/conservatives, why does she think her wishy-washy ultimatum matters one bit?

It's funny that some conservatives think if they jettison the crazy crap and only try to sell the GOP by their economic plans that their side will become more appealing. Somehow they forget that they had to bring in the crazies in order to win as their economic plans are horrible and go over like a lead balloon.
 
2012-11-18 02:44:39 PM

unlikely: GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.

Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.


I consider myself an Independent, and I actually like Megan, specifically because she is a voice of sanity that says that maybe the Right will move back to sanity. If the next-gen GOP is full of people leaning more her way, then I can handle it. The Right just needs to dump the truly venomous assholes that have hijacked it.
 
2012-11-18 02:45:21 PM
Why wait? You know nothing is going to change.
 
2012-11-18 02:46:13 PM

CapeFearCadaver: HotIgneous Intruder: Because boobs talk.

Really? shiat, how do I start training mine to talk? That sounds AWESOME!


via "VGcats" webcomic
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-11-18 02:46:24 PM

Primum: Big farkin' tits. Damn I'd like to stick my dick between them big-ass boobs.


Sorry, you have to start with Chris Christie and work your way up.
 
2012-11-18 02:46:42 PM

Mikey1969: The Right just needs to dump the truly venomous assholes that have hijacked it.


There would be nobody left but the party sycophants if they did that.
 
2012-11-18 02:50:14 PM

Mikey1969: The Right just needs to dump the truly venomous assholes that have hijacked it.


That would be difficult in any circumstances, but it has become almost impossible because of the Conservative Entertainment Complex that some of the saner Republicans (like Frum) are complaining about. It's not in the interests of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh etc. to have a rational, reasonable GOP; there's an embarrassing amount of money to be made catering to the lunatic fringe.
 
2012-11-18 02:53:25 PM

St_Francis_P: Mikey1969: The Right just needs to dump the truly venomous assholes that have hijacked it.

That would be difficult in any circumstances, but it has become almost impossible because of the Conservative Entertainment Complex that some of the saner Republicans (like Frum) are complaining about. It's not in the interests of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh etc. to have a rational, reasonable GOP; there's an embarrassing amount of money to be made catering to off the lunatic fringe.


FTFY...
 
2012-11-18 02:57:47 PM
Independent...those boobies should have an independent zip code of their own!
 
2012-11-18 03:14:30 PM
I declare war on her woman parts. Troops are massed for penetration
 
2012-11-18 03:19:21 PM
We couldn't have linked to the Daily Beast for this? We had to link to some blog spammer?
 
2012-11-18 03:29:49 PM
I like a girl into the third option.
 
2012-11-18 03:38:06 PM
Looks like the GOP governors' convention just set the agenda for the next four years: "Same shiat, different face!" and "Fark ObamaCare!"
 
2012-11-18 04:48:52 PM
Oh my God! We can't lose her!


Please go register as something other than a Republican. I'm begging you.
 
2012-11-18 05:01:43 PM

The Bestest: Meghan/Bristol 2024!


I het they could take some scissors to the national debt.
 
2012-11-18 05:51:23 PM
fc06.deviantart.net
 
2012-11-18 05:58:27 PM
image.blingee.com
 
2012-11-18 06:08:39 PM

Lionel Mandrake: MSFT: Isn't she the one who said on the Bill Maher show that she didn't know about history that happened before she was born, as in, who reads books like that?

She's not the sharpest knife in the draw, but seems decent enough, A true RINO.

But there's only one reason anyone cares about her. OK, two reasons. Two, huge, buxom, shapely, voluptuous reasons.


She does have beautiful eyes, I'll give you that.
 
2012-11-18 06:14:44 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lionel Mandrake: MSFT: Isn't she the one who said on the Bill Maher show that she didn't know about history that happened before she was born, as in, who reads books like that?

She's not the sharpest knife in the draw, but seems decent enough, A true RINO.

But there's only one reason anyone cares about her. OK, two reasons. Two, huge, buxom, shapely, voluptuous reasons.

She does have beautiful eyes, I'll give you that.


Yes... big, beautiful, round... eyes. And you can really tell in that picture upthread that she's not wearing... contacts.
 
2012-11-18 06:16:37 PM

The Gentleman Caller: Theaetetus: AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.

Always good to be reminded that Republicans don't have an exclusive lock on the War on Women.

Here's the pitch...swing and a miss.


She does have nice ta-tas.
 
2012-11-18 06:22:13 PM
Are moderate Republicans like Megs here gonna leave the party or are they gonna kick out the social conservative lunatics who've hijacked the party?

I'd almost rather see here stay Republican and fight the derp from within than become another "too embarrassed to call themselves a Republican" IndependentTM

And I suppose some sort of bawdy reference to Ms McCains mammalian protuberances is in order now?

Very well.

www.drinkingwhale.com

Don't think we've done that one yet.

In truth, I'mma more a fan of the medium to smallish sized Boobies, myself.

I've long contended that the perfect female breast should be able to fit nicely into a champagne glass.

/No, *not* the fluted variety.
 
2012-11-18 06:28:25 PM

jaytkay: The Bestest: as much as I would LOVE to give Alabama credit for this, unfortunately it says "Georgia" right on the tin

dammit I have freeper-level powers of accuracy.

If it's any consolation, up north we kinda think Georgia = Alabama :-)


Um, no. Georgia is the progressive one.
 
2012-11-18 06:34:24 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Looks like the GOP governors' convention just set the agenda for the next four years: "Same shiat, different face!" and "Fark ObamaCare!"


"First we'll go over minutes from the last meeting. Johnny?"
"Last meeting we decided we hate jews, gays, and blacks. A lot."
"Thanks, brother! Now onto the cake raffle!"
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-18 06:40:36 PM
FREE THE McCAIN TWINS!
 
2012-11-18 06:45:10 PM
Time to drag this one out of the '08 subfolder again I see....

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-18 07:21:20 PM

unlikely: Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.


Independents is also what people like myself call themselves... people who aren't (and in some cases never have been) affiliated with or a member of any political party. Try not to be a douchebag to all independents by calling us all Republicans. I haven't voted for a Republican for a very long time and as it currently stands I don't see a Republican emerging that is worth voting for in the future either. All I'm saying is that before you start swinging a bat around like that, be sure you're hitting the right people. At the moment it seems like you're taking wild swings and hitting both allies and adversaries.
 
2012-11-18 07:32:29 PM
On another note: anyone that is as despised by Ann Coulter as much as Meghan is, has to be doing something right. Little Orphan Annie is like Bill Kristol in that if she has a hate on for someone, they really have to be doing something great...
 
2012-11-18 07:34:13 PM

hubiestubert: On another note: anyone that is as despised by Ann Coulter as much as Meghan is, has to be doing something right. Little Orphan Annie is like Bill Kristol in that if she has a hate on for someone, they really have to be doing something great...


Wait, really? I'm a bit scared to see what might turn up if I were to google Meghan McCain/Ann Coulter....
 
2012-11-18 07:46:59 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: No one cares, Meghan. Now show your tits.


Yet again.
 
2012-11-18 07:47:16 PM

Johnny Bananapeel: Time to drag this one out of the '08 subfolder again I see....

[i.imgur.com image 640x518]


Now, I know that hooters can subside when some weight loss kicks in, but given her mammoth mammaries we currently enjoy only in their teaserific cleavaged form and chubby-not-fat figure, I think 30 lbs of weight loss would give us a universally fappable specimen with still-full tatas to boot.
 
2012-11-18 08:04:27 PM

JohnnyC: Independents is also what people like myself call themselves... people who aren't (and in some cases never have been) affiliated with or a member of any political party. Try not to be a douchebag to all independents by calling us all Republicans. I haven't voted for a Republican for a very long time and as it currently stands I don't see a Republican emerging that is worth voting for in the future either.

abb3w: It's about a third of independents who effectively identify with the GOP. Contrariwise, it's almost exactly the same fraction of independents who effectively identify with the Democratic Party. (Linky.)

 

So, you're not a "Disguised Republican", but a "Disguised Democrat". (I probably fall in the same category.)
 
2012-11-18 08:05:14 PM
Fun Fact: She was a registered Independent before 2008
 
2012-11-18 08:08:30 PM
Damn there's a lot of misogynist kiddies in here.
 
2012-11-18 08:10:54 PM
Also: She has near universal derision among Young Republicans and College Republicans
 
2012-11-18 08:12:39 PM

hubiestubert: unlikely: GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.

Independent is what republicans who are afraid to admit they're republicans call themselves.

In fairness, I still consider myself fairly Conservative, but the GOP is now firmly in the hands of radicals. The party has given up on any pretense of fiscal restraint, actively hates a fair amount of the population, and is adamant on fighting against anything resembling equity or the rights of individuals. I hung in for years, hoping to vote in sane candidates, but that voice was drowned out, and it just didn't help. I gave up my membership to the party after casting my ballot in the last Primary, and it didn't do a damn bit of good to keep Romney off the roster.

I'm not a Democrat, but if the choice is between a radical, and centerist with a plan for the future that doesn't involve shooting or jailing dissenters, then I have to go with the candidate with a sane plan for the future, and those are rarer and rarer within the ranks of the GOP. They've embraced radicalism, and still want to call "Conservative" in the same way that "Social Conservatives" hate their neighbors and want to establish a radicalized view of freedom of religion.

I want sane fiscal policy so my daughter isn't saddled with huge debts. I want sane domestic policy that doesn't demonize my neighbors for simply existing. I like our Constitutional protections, and that means I like freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, I like the right to seek legal redress, I like both the Second and First Amendments. Freedom of religion isn't about liking only ONE faith or ministry, and that means that marriage equality is sort of an issue--not all ministries have a problem with same sex couples, and if folks don't want to marry gay and lesbian couples, that's their business, but likewise the folks who do want to perform those ceremonies, we can't really stand in their way, and likewise, it comes down to equality under the law. Marriage equalit ...


Great post and I agree with almost everything you said, except the UK did send significant military resources, including troops to both Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not sure about France or Germany - if they contributed or not. The UK almost always stands with the US in its wars.
 
2012-11-18 08:16:44 PM
http://www.parentdish.com/2008/06/14/megan-mccain-gives-her-dad-one-mo re-vote-for-fathers-day/

Here's a Father's Day gift most of us cannot give: Megan McCain, daughter of Presidential hopeful Senator John McCain, has changed her voter registration from Independent to Republican, for her dad. "I did this as a symbol of my commitment to my dad and to represent the faith I have in his ability to be an effective leader for our country and to grow and strengthen the Republican Party when he is elected president of the United States," she wrote on her blog. "Happy Father's Day, Dad!"

So this threat is meaningless and attention whoring: Things Meghan is good at being
 
2012-11-18 08:19:25 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: Bontesla: Why give it two years? What does she expect to happen that will drive out the social conservatives leaving only fiscal conservatives?

When were there ever fiscal conservatives in the GOP?


This is the politics tab, there's a chart for that, blah, blah, blah.

That's the response I got when I posted something similar last week. The irony was that the chart showed that Republicans damaged the budget much more than Democrats did. So the chart poster almost proved my point.
 
2012-11-18 08:19:50 PM
And in 2004 she voted for John Kerry

6. She didn't start off a Republican! Despite her father being a household name and Meghan growing up in the spotlight, she was determined to make it on her own and buck "all labels and boxes and stereotypes." The strong-minded teen registered as an Independent when she was 18 and voted for John Kerry in the 2004 election. McCain has openly voiced her views on sex education and birth control, and chastised conservatives for hypocrisy regarding abortion, "They go on and on about how evil and wrong abortion is, but don't like to talk about how easy it is to not get pregnant," she said.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/03/meghan-mccain-john-play b oy-lesbian-gay-sexuality
 
2012-11-18 08:21:51 PM

abb3w: JohnnyC: Independents is also what people like myself call themselves... people who aren't (and in some cases never have been) affiliated with or a member of any political party. Try not to be a douchebag to all independents by calling us all Republicans. I haven't voted for a Republican for a very long time and as it currently stands I don't see a Republican emerging that is worth voting for in the future either.
abb3w: It's about a third of independents who effectively identify with the GOP. Contrariwise, it's almost exactly the same fraction of independents who effectively identify with the Democratic Party. (Linky.) 

So, you're not a "Disguised Republican", but a "Disguised Democrat". (I probably fall in the same category.)


No. Not a disguised Democrat either. I'm not a member of any party... end of story. I vote for who I want to vote for. I vote for who I think will do the best job. That doesn't mean Democrat by default. I do not agree with all the things Democrats stand for, but given a choice between a Republican or a Democrat, I'm way more likely to vote for a Democrat because voting for a Republican is voting against my own self interests. I'm an atheist. That alone puts me at odds with Republicans who seem bent on legislating their religious beliefs upon me. I'm not a racist or a bigot and again this conflicts with the Republican party as a whole. I would sooner cut foreign and defense spending than cut domestic spending (I believe that we should be investing more in ourselves than investing in destroying others). So really there is no place for me at the Republican table. There is no common ground outside of "we're all Americans" and sometimes I wonder if Republicans even share that as they seem to be Republicans first and American second.

Essentially what it comes down to is that there is only one major party that I find common ground with. That doesn't make me a Democrat in disguise, it makes me an independent with unfortunately limited choices. On a local level I tend to vote for smaller, less influential parties... but on a national/federal scale, I am offered few alternatives. The saying, "half a loaf is better than no loaf", comes to mind.
 
2012-11-18 08:24:25 PM

The Bestest: jaytkay: The Republican-dominated Alabama legislature successfully adopted some change recently.

They voted to prevent Obama's communist mind-control UN takeover of America.

President Obama is using a Cold War-era mind-control technique known as "Delphi" to coerce Americans into accepting his plan for a United Nations-run communist dictatorship in which suburbanites will be forcibly relocated to cities. That's according to a four-hour briefing delivered to Republican state senators at the Georgia state Capitol last month.
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 545x388]

as much as I would LOVE to give Alabama credit for this, unfortunately it says "Georgia" right on the tin

/Atlanta-area resident
//even the local, heavily conservative-leaning news is laughing at them about this


Do you mean that article wasn't satire like The Onion? If it wasn't you have a really serious problem in Georgia.
 
2012-11-18 08:26:25 PM

IntertubeUser: Damn there's a lot of misogynist kiddies in here.


Admiring nice bosoms does not a misogynist make. Does admiring a guy's package make me a misandrist?
 
2012-11-18 08:28:38 PM
SO IN REVIEW

Meghan was
A Political Independent (Registered) prior to her dad running for President
She voted in 2004 for John Kerry (a good friend of her dad running against the man who humiliated her dad in the GOP primary 4 years earlier)
She changed her registration in 2008 to Republican so she could vote for her dad in the Arizona Primary and the general election.
She voted in 2012 for the man running against the man who embarrassed her dad (and endorsed the guy her dad beat like a government mule)

So why are we taking her political views seriously?
 
2012-11-18 08:31:49 PM
It should always be stated that "Meghan McCain and her enormous breasts" have this to say..... she is pretty. Her boobs could possibly convert gay men.....
 
2012-11-18 08:33:21 PM
chunky girls have the tittays
 
2012-11-18 08:50:45 PM
Who cares how she registers? She just needs a pair of knee pads, and she needs to start sucking. I know it must be terrible, so I'll volunteer to go first.
 
2012-11-18 09:12:22 PM
Has she become a leader to human dipsticks around the world? Otherwise who cares.
 
2012-11-18 10:35:20 PM

karasoth: SO IN REVIEW

Meghan was
A Political Independent (Registered) prior to her dad running for President
She voted in 2004 for John Kerry (a good friend of her dad running against the man who humiliated her dad in the GOP primary 4 years earlier)
She changed her registration in 2008 to Republican so she could vote for her dad in the Arizona Primary and the general election.
She voted in 2012 for the man running against the man who embarrassed her dad (and endorsed the guy her dad beat like a government mule)

So why are we taking her political views seriously?


Because she's the spawn of a politician. It's the same reason some folks watched Bristol Palin dance with d-listers. It's what you get when you have to launder some cash, but you can't do it by directly handing it to the politician in question.
 
2012-11-18 11:08:07 PM
She's famous for what now? Being a failed candidate's daughter with one ghost-written book and one co-written book? Not a party officer? Elected? Shot what in the who now?
 
2012-11-18 11:49:19 PM
I am an independent who is registered as a Republican. That way I can monkey with their primaries. Seems to me shutting yourself out of being able to vote in primary elections is not going to do much good.

Democrats, their primaries are not as interesting to vote in, at least where I live.

/danged Rohrabacher got reelected.
 
2012-11-19 12:00:21 AM

Johnny Bananapeel: Time to drag this one out of the '08 subfolder again I see....

[i.imgur.com image 640x518]


Yeah the Blackberry really dates it.
 
2012-11-19 12:18:44 AM
We Republicans need to look at the future instead of living in the past

Her father is a major part of that past.

The future he helped to bring about was Sarah Palin.

Thanks for nothing
 
2012-11-19 12:27:42 AM
Weird.

Failing of logic?

A number of people are taking me to task for saying all independents are republicans relabeled.

But that's not what I said.

What I said was "republicans who don't want to wear the (R) badge call themselves independents."

Even if I had said "Libertarian" then we couldn't go 100% the other way; there are even some libertarians who aren't just Republicans who don't want the Republican label.

Anyway, this is an "All of A is B, but not all of B is A" situation. Sorry if you were confused.
 
2012-11-19 01:41:43 AM
Are moderate Republicans like Megs here gonna leave the party or are they gonna kick out the social conservative lunatics who've hijacked the party?

Moderate Republicans are in no position to call the shots, and they haven't been for well over a decade if not longer. They get to whine and moan about how the party left them, but do you notice they never actually do anything? Take this story for example... an ultimatum that takes four years to kick in isn't exactly threatening.
 
2012-11-19 02:54:10 AM

The Why Not Guy: Are moderate Republicans like Megs here gonna leave the party or are they gonna kick out the social conservative lunatics who've hijacked the party?

Moderate Republicans are in no position to call the shots, and they haven't been for well over a decade if not longer. They get to whine and moan about how the party left them, but do you notice they never actually do anything? Take this story for example... an ultimatum that takes four years to kick in isn't exactly threatening.


As much as I detest the GOP, that's not a fair characterization of a lot of people who are "moderates".

The biggest problem that the party has is that their local chapters are all run by either christian fundementalists or teahadists. Basically the grass roots has weeds and the problem is so bad that the weedkiller is going to destroy your lawn.
 
2012-11-19 03:31:07 AM

TwistedFark: As much as I detest the GOP, that's not a fair characterization of a lot of people who are "moderates".

The biggest problem that the party has is that their local chapters are all run by either christian fundementalists or teahadists. Basically the grass roots has weeds and the problem is so bad that the weedkiller is going to destroy your lawn.


And who handed over the keys to the fundamentalists? The moderates. Who welcomed the fundamentalists in with open arms, knowing they were the key to victory on election day? The moderates. Who sat by while the fundamentalists gained power and took control of the party? The moderates. Who never said so much as a word of complaint as long as they were still winning at the voting booth? The moderates.

And now - NOW - that it has all gone to hell they whine. fark them. They caused this problem and they refuse to accept even the slightest responsibility. The party didn't leave them... they gave it away on a silver platter topped with a red bow. Meanwhile all of America is paying for their mistake.
 
2012-11-19 05:50:48 AM

hubiestubert: In fairness...


You make basically the same point in every thread on the poli tab that you post on.

We get it, move on already.
 
2012-11-19 07:32:50 AM

The Why Not Guy: TwistedFark: As much as I detest the GOP, that's not a fair characterization of a lot of people who are "moderates".

The biggest problem that the party has is that their local chapters are all run by either christian fundementalists or teahadists. Basically the grass roots has weeds and the problem is so bad that the weedkiller is going to destroy your lawn.

And who handed over the keys to the fundamentalists? The moderates. Who welcomed the fundamentalists in with open arms, knowing they were the key to victory on election day? The moderates. Who sat by while the fundamentalists gained power and took control of the party? The moderates. Who never said so much as a word of complaint as long as they were still winning at the voting booth? The moderates.

And now - NOW - that it has all gone to hell they whine. fark them. They caused this problem and they refuse to accept even the slightest responsibility. The party didn't leave them... they gave it away on a silver platter topped with a red bow. Meanwhile all of America is paying for their mistake.


You're actually quite wrong about this. Boy, I wish I could remember the name of the book - but there was an excellent piece done about how the religious fundementalists actively conspired (well, not evilly conspired, but intelligently) to take over local party aparatus.

Here is a pretty good article from 1994 that talks a bit about what happened and the position that GOP moderates found themselves in. Saying that they "welcomed them with open arms" is not really accurate. More like, they woke up and realized they were in the living room eating their lunch and then couldn't figure out how to get rid of them.

Really, you should do a fair bit more reading about this - firstly because it's absolutely fascinating and secondly so that you can have a better understanding of what the GOP is up against, and how it is likely to unfold. Hint: not pretty.
 
2012-11-19 07:35:09 AM
I don't care what y'all say:

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She's pretty.
 
2012-11-19 08:38:41 AM

TwistedFark: More like, they woke up and realized they were in the living room eating their lunch and then couldn't figure out how to get rid of them.


Then they weren't paying attention because despite your description it didn't happen overnight, and I don't recall hearing a single word of complaint from moderate Republicans about the religious right taking over the GOP until late in George W. Bush's second term.

Let's reverse the situation and see how it holds up. If a crazy faction started exerting control in the Democratic Party I would be aware of it LONG before it reached the point of no return.

Sorry, I'm holding the moderates responsible. Even if they didn't hold the door open, they say by and did nothing for years because they were winning elections. .
 
2012-11-19 09:04:26 AM
Wait. She was the one who "voted with my pocketbook" and ignored the party's stance on abortion and other issues.

Yeah, she can fark off.
 
2012-11-19 10:00:51 AM

Primum: Big farkin' tits. Damn I'd like to stick my dick between them big-ass boobs.


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ewwwww
 
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2012-11-19 12:56:08 PM
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2012-11-19 02:44:32 PM

JohnnyC: Essentially what it comes down to is that there is only one major party that I find common ground with. That doesn't make me a Democrat in disguise, it makes me an independent with unfortunately limited choices.


From the functional stance of the categories identified by cluster analysis? Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to....
 
2012-11-19 04:16:31 PM

The Why Not Guy: TwistedFark: More like, they woke up and realized they were in the living room eating their lunch and then couldn't figure out how to get rid of them.

Then they weren't paying attention because despite your description it didn't happen overnight, and I don't recall hearing a single word of complaint from moderate Republicans about the religious right taking over the GOP until late in George W. Bush's second term.

Let's reverse the situation and see how it holds up. If a crazy faction started exerting control in the Democratic Party I would be aware of it LONG before it reached the point of no return.

Sorry, I'm holding the moderates responsible. Even if they didn't hold the door open, they say by and did nothing for years because they were winning elections. .


Did you bother to read the article? It was from 1994. They were complaining. Hell, they were complaining before that during reagans term. They just couldn't do anything about it.

They got outmanuevered by the christian right. If you want to hold them accountable for that (basically being bad at their own internal party politics) then fine I suppose. Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this. It's not like you can actually stop it - all you need to do is start taking over the local organisations, once you have enough of them in control then you can start electing the national representatives for the party.

I'm going to guess that you don't really understand how political parties are run and how they elect their officers?
 
2012-11-19 10:42:13 PM

GAT_00: But she'll still vote for Republicans across the board.


Right. Like a Fark Independent. Like all those independents we saw breaking for Romney to the surprise of no one.
 
2012-11-20 01:22:31 AM

TwistedFark: They just couldn't do anything about it.

Horse shiat. They didn't even try.

Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this.

I said no such thing. I said if it happened to the Democrats (which is pretty much the opposite of saying they're immune) I would be aware of it long before it reached the point of no return.

Past experience has shown me that once someone starts putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, the conversation is over. Enjoy the rest of your week.

 
2012-11-20 01:24:59 AM
Here's a repost with proper tagging.

They just couldn't do anything about it.

Horse shiat. They didn't even try.

Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this.

I said no such thing. I said if it happened to the Democrats (which is pretty much the opposite of saying they're immune) I would be aware of it long before it reached the point of no return.

Past experience has shown me that once someone starts putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, the conversation is over. Enjoy the rest of your week.
 
2012-11-21 01:22:10 AM

The Why Not Guy: Here's a repost with proper tagging.

They just couldn't do anything about it.

Horse shiat. They didn't even try.

Also I don't understand how you think the Democrats would be immune from this.

I said no such thing. I said if it happened to the Democrats (which is pretty much the opposite of saying they're immune) I would be aware of it long before it reached the point of no return.

Past experience has shown me that once someone starts putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, the conversation is over. Enjoy the rest of your week.


Um... thanks? To be perfectly clear here - I am earnestly trying to explain the limitations of your thinking here because it's pretty clear you're missing the big picture. As much as I am a supporter of the democratic party (and I am), not understanding how the GOP got into the position it is in today means that we are in just as much danger of repeating the same folly. History, repeating, all that jazz.

I don't understand why you're so combatative about the point to be honest. It seems like your distaste for the GOP means that you are instinctively rejecting a rational argument as to why they arrived at a point, potentially helplessly so. Maybe admitting this would mean demonstrating a level of empathy for a group that you just find too repugnant to empathize with? I don't know, but it's worth pointing out and hoping that you reflect on it. I hate seeing people cloud reason with emotions.
 
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