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(Deadline)   Breaking Dawn 2 takes the weekend box office with $137 million, holding Skyfall and Lincoln at bay in the 2 and 3 spots. But we can all rest easier knowing the reign of sparkly vampires is, blessedly, over   (deadline.com) divider line 10
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2012-11-18 08:51:36 PM  
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A thread discussing Lincoln, slavery, secession, SPECTRE, James Bond and Partrick Stewart as Blofeld all at once. Nice.
2012-11-18 07:30:51 PM  
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Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.

I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.

I think I just orgasmed.

And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.


Check out a little film from 1997 called "Masterminds", starring a pre-Mad Men Vincent Kartheiser. He also played the villain in a not-so-little film that same year called Conspiracy Theory.
2012-11-18 04:31:39 PM  
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Larry Mahnken: There were slaves in states that remained loyal to the Union, as well as areas of the Confederacy not covered under the Emancipation Proclamation because they were under Union control on January 1st, 1863. There was a practical effect on them.


BIngo. Maryland was a slave State but stayed in the Union. It was legal to own slaves in the District of Columbia as well. Without an amendment abolishing slavery, things would have gotten messy fast.
2012-11-18 04:00:53 PM  
1 votes:
QoS wasn't that farking bad, you losers.

REMEMBER THE INVISIBLE CAR AND DESPAIR.
2012-11-18 01:12:54 PM  
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Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.

You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.

They didn't need to do that, but he should have had a lisp and talked very quickly. But it didn't really bother me much.

Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.


I was under the impression that it was also a wedge to put between the confederates and potential European allies.

While they enjoyed seeing the upstart nation tear itself apart, the had a huge problem with slavery. Once Lincoln had did this, Europeans couldn't politically support the Confederacy.
2012-11-18 01:05:02 PM  
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Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.

Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.


I don't think its self-evident at all. As long as the war was going on, the amendment wouldn't have really had any practical effect anyways, since its not like the South was going to obey it.
2012-11-18 12:59:58 PM  
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DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.

Would it have been passed by a new Congress? I thought the issue was that the South would sue for peace before then, and if they did so, they would, as a condition to peace, make sure that amendment wouldn't pass. And public opinion would have hugely supported the peace over the amendment.

Maybe that's not reality, but that's the story I took from the movie and it made perfect sense to me.


That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

Like I said, the portrayal of the Hampton Roads Conference was wrong. The conference didn't break up over slavery, it broke up over independence. Jefferson Davis would only allow two outcomes to the war: Confederate independence or conquest of the South by the Union. He couldn't get the former, so we ended up with the latter.

The Republicans gained enough seats in the 1864 election (where the 13th Amendment was part of the party platform) that they would have passed the amendment in the new Congress. It was passing in March, no matter what the outcome of the war.

Public sentiment in 1865 was that slavery had been the cause of the war, and that slavery had to be destroyed after the war. It was far from universal, and many people -- perhaps a majority -- were willing to *allow* slavery to survive if that was in exchange for the South giving up, but a majority were in favor of abolishing slavery if it's preservation wasn't a condition for peace.
2012-11-18 12:10:11 PM  
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The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.
2012-11-18 10:13:51 AM  
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I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.
2012-11-18 09:49:44 AM  
1 votes:
I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.
 
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