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(Deadline)   Breaking Dawn 2 takes the weekend box office with $137 million, holding Skyfall and Lincoln at bay in the 2 and 3 spots. But we can all rest easier knowing the reign of sparkly vampires is, blessedly, over   (deadline.com ) divider line
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2012-11-18 08:55:10 AM  
SDCC is going to be a lot more tolerable this year.
 
2012-11-18 08:59:57 AM  
Haha. Submitter just hopes they are. In reality, Stephanie Meyers has already told the world she plans to write sequels to the Twilight series.
 
2012-11-18 09:24:41 AM  
"Over" until Meyer writes more Twilight books and/or someone decides to reboot the movie series, you mean.
 
2012-11-18 09:25:55 AM  
Saw Skyfall at a matinee. Theatre was filling up even before the previews, and the previous show had sold out.

But when we left, they had two designated lines for "Breaking Wind: Poot Two".
 
2012-11-18 09:32:18 AM  
Subby apparently has no idea how Hollywood works. If there is money to be made, it will be milked to death.

/Star Wars 7-9?
 
2012-11-18 09:38:02 AM  
Skyfall and Lincoln are both 'quite good' - thats about as much as I'd say for either. If either one makes my top 10 of the year, it'll he at the end of the list.
 
2012-11-18 09:44:48 AM  
Don't hold your breath, they made it so they can have another sequel to this saga, give it about 10-20 years
 
2012-11-18 09:49:44 AM  
I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.
 
2012-11-18 09:55:20 AM  
Take THAT, Seth Grahame-Smith
 
2012-11-18 09:55:38 AM  
Not sure why it especially stuck in my craw this year, but the Oscar horses have been missing their endings so far. Both Flight and Lincoln went on past where the natural ending was. Just niggling and annoying, lol.
 
2012-11-18 09:57:46 AM  
I read that as "Red Dawn 2" when I came into this thread and was wondering why you guys were discussing stupid, sparkly vampires. My bad. Anyone going to see Red Dawn? Trailer looks good.
 
2012-11-18 10:11:30 AM  
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2012-11-18 10:12:07 AM  

The English Major: LINE


*cues Yakety Sax*
 
2012-11-18 10:13:51 AM  
I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.
 
2012-11-18 10:16:29 AM  
The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."
 
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2012-11-18 10:30:20 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


I know three people who saw it. It received high praise from all.
 
2012-11-18 10:32:36 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


It's actually really good.

Though, that said, it's a really good movie about the amendment ratification process and the importance of procedural minutiae in the passing of legislation in the US in general, plus a bit of commentary on the myopia of Washington politics with a sly dig at idiots that think the 2000s invented partisan politics in there.

So... good or not, I'd not really recommend it to anyone that's not up on modern US politics. That's right, modern politics, while the historical references were consistent (they even remembered how important Seward was) if you go in expecting a drama or a history movie, you're going to come out disappointed.
 
2012-11-18 10:33:06 AM  
Dark Twilight comes out next year, catering to all the women in their thirties who were teenagers when it first came out.
 
2012-11-18 10:38:43 AM  

Jim_Callahan: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."

It's actually really good.

Though, that said, it's a really good movie about the amendment ratification process and the importance of procedural minutiae in the passing of legislation in the US in general, plus a bit of commentary on the myopia of Washington politics with a sly dig at idiots that think the 2000s invented partisan politics in there.

So... good or not, I'd not really recommend it to anyone that's not up on modern US politics. That's right, modern politics, while the historical references were consistent (they even remembered how important Seward was) if you go in expecting a drama or a history movie, you're going to come out disappointed.


More than anything, it's a movie you see to watch brilliant goddamm acting. That's really what the movie is, a vehicle for its actors. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
2012-11-18 10:59:53 AM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


"I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power"... is something the real Abraham Lincoln actually said.

Daniel Day-Lewis was amazing. This was the Lincoln I knew from the books.
 
2012-11-18 11:03:56 AM  

Larry Mahnken: "I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power"... is something the real Abraham Lincoln actually said.


Is that true? I was wondering how much of what he says in the movie is actually true. Like, did he really tell that George Washington story in the situation room (such as it was back then)?
 
2012-11-18 11:15:42 AM  
Because of "Lincoln", I am going to get a painting of George Washington to put in my bathroom, just in case I make any British friends.

I also like saying "It opens!" when people knock on my door.

Also, on Friday night we planned to go to the 6:30 show, but when we arrived at 6:15 it had been sold out. Fortunately the movie theater had a bar attached which had 2 dollar domestic drafts for happy hour until 7, which made it much easier to wait until the 7:45 showing, which looked sold out as well.

/Lincoln was awesome
 
2012-11-18 11:23:53 AM  

skinink: I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.


I think people's mileage will vary with Skyfall. For what it's worth, I thought it was one of the best in the Bond franchise. There's so much symbolism in the film with so much 'history' ending, but it's also setting up a new beginning. Perfect for a 50th anniversary film. They gave Judi Dench a wonderful exit and some great material to work with (like her speech to the oversight panel). At the same time, they gave Ralph Finnes a near-perfect 'welcome to the club' role. There's lots of little things for Bond fans, like the scene where Bond meet's Q for the first time. Q gives Bond a gun and a radio transmitter; the exact same inventory that Q gave Bond for their first on-screen meeting back in 'From Russia With Love'.

Also, Javier Bardeem was amazing. Considering how well Sean Bean played the traitorous 008 back in 'Goldeneye', Bardeem made Silva a completely different and interesting villain. If 008 is Bond's dark reflection, Silva is Bond pushed past the breaking point of sanity.

All in all, this isn't a 'gadgets everywhere' Bond film. This is very 'back to basics', as my friend says. And for setting up another 50 years for a franchise, back to basics is a good thing.
 
2012-11-18 11:32:27 AM  

BronyMedic: Haha. Submitter just hopes they are. In reality, Stephanie Meyers has already told the world she plans to write sequels to the Twilight series.


...And their cousins in the 50 Shades of Grey S&M market.

Britney Spear's Speculum: I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.


You can since Jacob and Edward are secretly lovers. That's the only explanation I have, since it's completely implausible that anyone would fight over someone as wooden and self-absorbed as Bella.
 
2012-11-18 11:33:28 AM  

Swoop1809: Because of "Lincoln", I am going to get a painting of George Washington to put in my bathroom, just in case I make any British friends.

I also like saying "It opens!" when people knock on my door.

Also, on Friday night we planned to go to the 6:30 show, but when we arrived at 6:15 it had been sold out. Fortunately the movie theater had a bar attached which had 2 dollar domestic drafts for happy hour until 7, which made it much easier to wait until the 7:45 showing, which looked sold out as well.

/Lincoln was awesome


I went to the 10am screening a bit late think there w
 
2012-11-18 11:35:25 AM  
Oh, has Spoony done another drunken rant about Breaking Dawn? I know Mrs Servo is going to force me to watch it, and he really helped me come down from the trauma last year. 

/link worth watching in case you missed it
 
2012-11-18 11:35:46 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Saw Skyfall at a matinee. Theatre was filling up even before the previews, and the previous show had sold out.

But when we left, they had two designated lines for "Breaking Wind: Poot Two".


Skyfall on Friday night was PACKED. And worth it for being packed in a room to see it. An excellent Bond film that I actually up a bit at two points.
 
2012-11-18 11:36:00 AM  

gunga galunga: Swoop1809: Because of "Lincoln", I am going to get a painting of George Washington to put in my bathroom, just in case I make any British friends.

I also like saying "It opens!" when people knock on my door.

Also, on Friday night we planned to go to the 6:30 show, but when we arrived at 6:15 it had been sold out. Fortunately the movie theater had a bar attached which had 2 dollar domestic drafts for happy hour until 7, which made it much easier to wait until the 7:45 showing, which looked sold out as well.

/Lincoln was awesome

I went to the 10am screening a bit late think there w


(goddamn phone)

thinking there wouldn't be a huge ceowd. The place was packed and I had to sit at the way front. I was at least able to sit at the center, though. The audience was very responsive. They loves Tommy Lee Jones' "it opens" line.
 
2012-11-18 11:37:22 AM  

T-Servo: Oh, has Spoony done another drunken rant about Breaking Dawn? I know Mrs Servo is going to force me to watch it, and he really helped me come down from the trauma last year. 

/link worth watching in case you missed it


Oooh, just remembered that this means we'll get a How Did This Get Made for Breaking Dawn soon. They said they were going to finish it up with Doug Benson.
 
2012-11-18 11:56:32 AM  
So, the deal is in our house: she goes to sci-fi/comic book movies with me, I go to Twilight movies with her.

Two things:

CGI baby is creepy.

Aro's fruity, over-the-top laugh when he mind-melds or whatever with Tressome' or whatever she's called, is so goofy my g/f laughed out loud. The theater at that moment was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. We still can't figure out if everyone else was shocked to the point of awe by this weird element, or if they all take this shiat so seriously that they find no humor except in the places you're "supposed" to laugh.

His outburst was so, so weird and and fruity. I can't believe they left it in.


Oh, and it seems like I saw this movie before. A small group of various heroes with various talents gathers to fight a fruity, dark haired villain in a cape, and his army of dark, almost robotic followers.
 
2012-11-18 12:01:18 PM  

T-Servo: Britney Spear's Speculum: I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.

You can since Jacob and Edward are secretly lovers. That's the only explanation I have, since it's completely implausible that anyone would fight over someone as wooden and self-absorbed as Bella.



momsbasementdotorg.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-18 12:04:34 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: "I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power"... is something the real Abraham Lincoln actually said.

Is that true? I was wondering how much of what he says in the movie is actually true. Like, did he really tell that George Washington story in the situation room (such as it was back then)?


The Ethan Allen story (George Washington's picture in the outhouse) was one of Lincoln's favorite stories. He told it many times.
 
2012-11-18 12:06:58 PM  
On being informed that the amendment was still two votes short, Lincoln is reported to have told the Republican Congressmen: "I am President of the United States, clothed with great power. The abolition of slavery by Constitutional provisions settles the fate, for all ... time, not only of the millions now in bondage, but of unborn millions to come - a measure of such importance that those two votes must be procured. I leave it to you to determine how it shall be done, but remember that I am President of the United States, clothed with immense power, and I expect you to procure those two votes ..." (John B. Alley, Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln, ed., Rice, 1886 ed., p 585-6. Per Goodwin, p. 687).
 
2012-11-18 12:10:11 PM  
The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.
 
2012-11-18 12:15:06 PM  
Maybe with this being the final Twitard movie, Mtv Movie Awards will finally get off the Twilight band wagon.
 
2012-11-18 12:15:36 PM  
sounds right.

Breaking Dawn broke new ground in the vampire genre.
Skyfall added to the Bond story.
But Lincoln was just a rehash of old info (spoiler: Lincoln gets shot in a theater)
 
2012-11-18 12:16:45 PM  

robsul82: Not sure why it especially stuck in my craw this year, but the Oscar horses have been missing their endings so far. Both Flight and Lincoln went on past where the natural ending was. Just niggling and annoying, lol.


There's nothing I hate more than when nigglers ruin the end of a perfectly good movie.
 
2012-11-18 12:18:08 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


I would go see that movie.
 
2012-11-18 12:23:53 PM  
Lincoln has done pretty well so far in the theaters, which historically has not been the case.

/so, so sorry
 
2012-11-18 12:24:53 PM  

T-Servo: That's the only explanation I have, since it's completely implausible that anyone would fight over someone as wooden and self-absorbed as Bella.


Maybe she has a snapper.
 
2012-11-18 12:40:02 PM  

Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.


You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.
 
2012-11-18 12:45:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.

You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.


They didn't need to do that, but he should have had a lisp and talked very quickly. But it didn't really bother me much.

Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.
 
2012-11-18 12:46:34 PM  

Larry Mahnken: Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.


Would it have been passed by a new Congress? I thought the issue was that the South would sue for peace before then, and if they did so, they would, as a condition to peace, make sure that amendment wouldn't pass. And public opinion would have hugely supported the peace over the amendment.

Maybe that's not reality, but that's the story I took from the movie and it made perfect sense to me.
 
2012-11-18 12:52:18 PM  
How are they going to do more sequels to Twilight when every character is immortal? They could do motion capture I guess but that would be even creepier and lifeless than their actual performances.
 
2012-11-18 12:59:58 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.

Would it have been passed by a new Congress? I thought the issue was that the South would sue for peace before then, and if they did so, they would, as a condition to peace, make sure that amendment wouldn't pass. And public opinion would have hugely supported the peace over the amendment.

Maybe that's not reality, but that's the story I took from the movie and it made perfect sense to me.


That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

Like I said, the portrayal of the Hampton Roads Conference was wrong. The conference didn't break up over slavery, it broke up over independence. Jefferson Davis would only allow two outcomes to the war: Confederate independence or conquest of the South by the Union. He couldn't get the former, so we ended up with the latter.

The Republicans gained enough seats in the 1864 election (where the 13th Amendment was part of the party platform) that they would have passed the amendment in the new Congress. It was passing in March, no matter what the outcome of the war.

Public sentiment in 1865 was that slavery had been the cause of the war, and that slavery had to be destroyed after the war. It was far from universal, and many people -- perhaps a majority -- were willing to *allow* slavery to survive if that was in exchange for the South giving up, but a majority were in favor of abolishing slavery if it's preservation wasn't a condition for peace.
 
2012-11-18 01:01:27 PM  

Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.


I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.
 
2012-11-18 01:03:08 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.


Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.
 
2012-11-18 01:05:02 PM  

Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.

Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.


I don't think its self-evident at all. As long as the war was going on, the amendment wouldn't have really had any practical effect anyways, since its not like the South was going to obey it.
 
2012-11-18 01:08:20 PM  
I'll rest easier when the Twilight author is launched into the deep recesses of space with no means to send communication back to Earth.
 
2012-11-18 01:09:33 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.

Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.

I don't think its self-evident at all. As long as the war was going on, the amendment wouldn't have really had any practical effect anyways, since its not like the South was going to obey it.


There were slaves in states that remained loyal to the Union, as well as areas of the Confederacy not covered under the Emancipation Proclamation because they were under Union control on January 1st, 1863. There was a practical effect on them.
 
2012-11-18 01:10:24 PM  
Slavery is not the kind of issue where someone who is opposed to it will feel "Hey, we don't need to do anything about it *now*, let's just wait."
 
2012-11-18 01:12:50 PM  
I saw Skyfall for the second time last night. Unhappy to report that Breaking Dawn had very long lines before AND after I left the movie.

I saw Lincoln at an advanced screening last week. It was very good, too. Amazing acting, especially from TLJ. Welcomingly, it was not as Spielberg-y as the trailers lead you to believe.
 
2012-11-18 01:12:54 PM  

Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.

You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.

They didn't need to do that, but he should have had a lisp and talked very quickly. But it didn't really bother me much.

Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.


I was under the impression that it was also a wedge to put between the confederates and potential European allies.

While they enjoyed seeing the upstart nation tear itself apart, the had a huge problem with slavery. Once Lincoln had did this, Europeans couldn't politically support the Confederacy.
 
2012-11-18 01:14:34 PM  

Larry Mahnken: Slavery is not the kind of issue where someone who is opposed to it will feel "Hey, we don't need to do anything about it *now*, let's just wait."


The Senate passed it almost 10 months prior. He clear waited that long. Your blanket statement that he just wanted it passed ASAP doesn't really explain why it was done when it was done.
 
2012-11-18 01:15:48 PM  

Doran: I saw Skyfall for the second time last night. Unhappy to report that Breaking Dawn had very long lines before AND after I left the movie.


You can't take it to heart TOO much.

Lowest common denominator and all that.


texdent: Maybe with this being the final Twitard movie, Mtv Movie Awards will finally get off the Twilight band wagon.


Even so, I *really* wouldn't hold up the MTV Movie Awards as anything remotely smacking of good.
 
2012-11-18 01:17:38 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.

You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.

They didn't need to do that, but he should have had a lisp and talked very quickly. But it didn't really bother me much.

Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.

I was under the impression that it was also a wedge to put between the confederates and potential European allies.

While they enjoyed seeing the upstart nation tear itself apart, the had a huge problem with slavery. Once Lincoln had did this, Europeans couldn't politically support the Confederacy.


That was the Emancipation Proclamation. By 1865, there was no possibility of foreign intervention.

Another reason Lincoln wanted the Amendment passed as soon as possible is that he felt it could help break Southern morale and end the war sooner (that perhaps some Southerners felt that if they kept fighting long enough, they could at least preserve slavery, and Lincoln wanted to make it clear as soon as possible that that was not going to happen.)
 
2012-11-18 01:18:42 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: Slavery is not the kind of issue where someone who is opposed to it will feel "Hey, we don't need to do anything about it *now*, let's just wait."

The Senate passed it almost 10 months prior. He clear waited that long. Your blanket statement that he just wanted it passed ASAP doesn't really explain why it was done when it was done.


Wrong, he didn't wait. The House voted on it, and fell short.
 
2012-11-18 01:29:43 PM  

Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: Slavery is not the kind of issue where someone who is opposed to it will feel "Hey, we don't need to do anything about it *now*, let's just wait."

The Senate passed it almost 10 months prior. He clear waited that long. Your blanket statement that he just wanted it passed ASAP doesn't really explain why it was done when it was done.

Wrong, he didn't wait. The House voted on it, and fell short.


Ah ok. Makes more sense.
 
2012-11-18 01:31:49 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: Slavery is not the kind of issue where someone who is opposed to it will feel "Hey, we don't need to do anything about it *now*, let's just wait."

The Senate passed it almost 10 months prior. He clear waited that long. Your blanket statement that he just wanted it passed ASAP doesn't really explain why it was done when it was done.

Wrong, he didn't wait. The House voted on it, and fell short.

Ah ok. Makes more sense.


Enough nitpicking.

I was 90% sure that I would be disappointed in the film. I loved it.

I'm going to see Spielberg deliver the keynote on Monday morning during the Gettysburg Address anniversary ceremony at the National Cemetery in Gettysburg. I guess I don't have to throw any rotten fruit at him.
 
2012-11-18 01:45:35 PM  

skinink: I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.


I just want to ask: in the 2014 Bond film, can we FINALLY have the appearance of SPECTRE?
 
2012-11-18 01:50:38 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: skinink: I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.

I just want to ask: in the 2014 Bond film, can we FINALLY have the appearance of SPECTRE?


images.wikia.com

I'm in.
 
2012-11-18 01:52:23 PM  

firegoat: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."

I would go see that movie.


FDR: American Badass! came out last month. Barry Bostwick (yes, "Brad" from RHPS) plays Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who, from his wheelchair-of-death, deals out WW2-style justice upon the Nazi werewolves who gave him polio. It is every bit as awesome as it sounds.
 
2012-11-18 01:52:35 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: I just want to ask: in the 2014 Bond film, can we FINALLY have the appearance of SPECTRE?


That raises two questions:

1.) Who the hell would you cast as Blofeld? (I know he changes appearances, but that first appearance has to be a doozy.)

2.) Do you retell the story of Tracy from On Her Majesty's Secret Service?
 
2012-11-18 02:03:25 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: That raises two questions:

1.) Who the hell would you cast as Blofeld? (I know he changes appearances, but that first appearance has to be a doozy.)


I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.
 
2012-11-18 02:05:47 PM  

Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.


I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.
 
2012-11-18 02:14:04 PM  

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.


I haven't read up on all of the historical details of its passing, but it would seem to me that with the slave states out of the Union because of the war, it would be incredibly easy to shove through anti-slavery legislation and for an anti-slavery Admendment to be ratified by 2/3s of the states. Once those states rejoin the Union after the end of the war, their representatives will wind up acting as spoilers to delay a 2/3s majority indefinitely. The abolitionists would have had a very small window where they could ram through the needed legislation without the consent of the South.

The situation then is not all that different than right now. Imagine that Obama wanted to push an Amendment creating a single payer healthcare system through. It would be SO much easier to pass if the Congressmen and Senators from the south were temporarily not there to vote against it.
 
2012-11-18 02:19:00 PM  

Mad_Radhu: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.

I haven't read up on all of the historical details of its passing, but it would seem to me that with the slave states out of the Union because of the war, it would be incredibly easy to shove through anti-slavery legislation and for an anti-slavery Admendment to be ratified by 2/3s of the states. Once those states rejoin the Union after the end of the war, their representatives will wind up acting as spoilers to delay a 2/3s majority indefinitely. The abolitionists would have had a very small window where they could ram through the needed legislation without the consent of the South.

The situation then is not all that different than right now. Imagine that Obama wanted to push an Amendment creating a single payer healthcare system through. It would be SO much easier to pass if the Congressmen and Senators from the south were temporarily not there to vote against it.


Though the Southern states had vacated their congressional seats, allowing Congress to have a quorum without them, the states were still in the Union. There were 25 states loyal to the Union, 27 were needed to ratify a Constitutional Amendment. So they needed two Confederate States to ratify any Constitutional Amendment.
 
2012-11-18 02:23:29 PM  

Larry Mahnken: Though the Southern states had vacated their congressional seats, allowing Congress to have a quorum without them, the states were still in the Union. There were 25 states loyal to the Union, 27 were needed to ratify a Constitutional Amendment. So they needed two Confederate States to ratify any Constitutional Amendment.


Yes, they mention this in the film - Stephens basically acknowledges it would sail through even counting the Southern states since a few of them would easily pass it.
 
2012-11-18 02:39:21 PM  
Sounds like Lincoln got killed at the theater...
 
2012-11-18 03:04:12 PM  
My impression was that Lincoln needed the amendment passed before the war ended because his emancipation proclamation only applied to the rebel states during the war. So without an amendment banning slavery, all those freed during the war would be forced back into bondage when Lincolns war powers were removed
 
2012-11-18 03:30:06 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: OtherLittleGuy: I just want to ask: in the 2014 Bond film, can we FINALLY have the appearance of SPECTRE?

That raises two questions:

1.) Who the hell would you cast as Blofeld? (I know he changes appearances, but that first appearance has to be a doozy.)

2.) Do you retell the story of Tracy from On Her Majesty's Secret Service?


1) My choices:
Patrick Stewart
Kevin Spacey
Benedict Cumberbatch
Idris Elba
Christopher Eccleston
Kenneth Branaugh
Christoph Waltz

2) It's debatable whether or not to tell the Tracy story again. After all, you had Vesper in 'Casino Royal' which had pretty much the same effect on Bond.
 
2012-11-18 03:43:23 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.

I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.


I think I just orgasmed.
 
2012-11-18 03:52:07 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: skinink: I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.

I just want to ask: in the 2014 Bond film, can we FINALLY have the appearance of SPECTRE?


EON doesn't have the rights to SPECTRE, McClory does - it's that long complicated Thunderball/Fleming/rights etc story. Same with the name Blofeld, I believe.

The organization Quantum in the (extremely poor) QOS was a semi-tribute to Spectre.
 
2012-11-18 04:00:53 PM  
QoS wasn't that farking bad, you losers.

REMEMBER THE INVISIBLE CAR AND DESPAIR.
 
2012-11-18 04:19:59 PM  

23FPB23: So, the deal is in our house: she goes to sci-fi/comic book movies with me, I go to Twilight movies with her.

Two things:

CGI baby is creepy.

Aro's fruity, over-the-top laugh when he mind-melds or whatever with Tressome' or whatever she's called, is so goofy my g/f laughed out loud. The theater at that moment was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. We still can't figure out if everyone else was shocked to the point of awe by this weird element, or if they all take this shiat so seriously that they find no humor except in the places you're "supposed" to laugh.

His outburst was so, so weird and and fruity. I can't believe they left it in.


Oh, and it seems like I saw this movie before. A small group of various heroes with various talents gathers to fight a fruity, dark haired villain in a cape, and his army of dark, almost robotic followers.


I went to see the movie at the drive-in with a friend of mine, since I knew there was no way in hell the fiancee would go with me. It was a double feature- they showed Breaking Dawn Part 1 and 2. Even though we are fans of the books, we spent most of the time making fun of the movie. The Aro part caught us both off guard at first- then we laughed hysterically after. The other part we loved is when the immortal baby got thrown into the fire.
 
2012-11-18 04:26:20 PM  

I Like Bread: Sounds like Lincoln got killed at the theater...


Obvious joke aside, it actually did very well. This isn't the type of movie that has a huge first weekend that accounts for 45% of its gross. It will most likely stay in the theaters through the entire awards season, and the 20 million it opened with was actually about twice as was expected.
 
2012-11-18 04:28:10 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: 1) My choices:
Patrick Stewart
Kevin Spacey
Benedict Cumberbatch
Idris Elba
Christopher Eccleston
Kenneth Branaugh
Christoph Waltz


Out of that lot, I'd be torn between Patrick Stewart and Christoph Waltz, with Chris Eccleston as a dark horse pick.

I wouldn't mind seeing Idris Elba as Bond somewhere down the pike, though.


RoyFokker'sGhost: 2) It's debatable whether or not to tell the Tracy story again. After all, you had Vesper in 'Casino Royal' which had pretty much the same effect on Bond.


See, that's what I was thinking. You had the downer ending with Casino Royale, so I think they would be hesitant to go the same route with the Tracy plotline.

They could reengineer the whole story, though, so... who knows?


Metaluna Mutant: EON doesn't have the rights to SPECTRE, McClory does - it's that long complicated Thunderball/Fleming/rights etc story. Same with the name Blofeld, I believe.


Right, I forgot about that.

That's why we had "Man in Wheelchair" and not Blofeld in For Your Eyes Only.


The All-Powerful Atheismo: I think I just orgasmed.


Would that not rock?

"Hello, Mister Bond... we've been expecting you."
 
2012-11-18 04:29:34 PM  

Pauly Math: Lincoln has done pretty well so far in the theaters, which historically has not been the case.

/so, so sorry


This!
 
2012-11-18 04:31:39 PM  

Larry Mahnken: There were slaves in states that remained loyal to the Union, as well as areas of the Confederacy not covered under the Emancipation Proclamation because they were under Union control on January 1st, 1863. There was a practical effect on them.


BIngo. Maryland was a slave State but stayed in the Union. It was legal to own slaves in the District of Columbia as well. Without an amendment abolishing slavery, things would have gotten messy fast.
 
2012-11-18 04:32:35 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.

I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.

I think I just orgasmed.


And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.
 
2012-11-18 04:35:05 PM  

Jadedgrl: The Aro part caught us both off guard at first- then we laughed hysterically after. The other part we loved is when the immortal baby got thrown into the fire.


Yeah I was flabbergasted at dude's laugh. Reminded me of "Friday I'm In Love" crossed with Mike Meyer's Cat In The Hat or something. That shiat was Fruity Pebbles. As far as the baby was concerned, I heard a few 14 year olds gasping in horror. I'm pretty sure my gal (26) stopped taking this stuff very seriously after like the third film or so. I don't "hate" the series, nor do I whine at taking her, but damn I'm glad its over. If they make any more, I'm fairly certain she won't be too interested. I guess escapist romance loses its its luster after you have a baby of your own.
 
2012-11-18 04:56:55 PM  

Mugato: And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.


I caught him playing the title role in a PBS production of Macbeth.

He was so freakin' good in that. Very unnerving.
 
2012-11-18 05:06:31 PM  

I Like Bread: Sounds like Lincoln got killed at the theater...


Too soon.

Jerk.
 
2012-11-18 05:33:09 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I'll rest easier when the Twilight author is launched into the deep recesses of space with no means to send communication back to Earth.


Can we send her cheesy movies?

The worst, we can find?

You know, as revenge?
 
2012-11-18 05:39:32 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.

I caught him playing the title role in a PBS production of Macbeth.

He was so freakin' good in that. Very unnerving.


I only caught one episode recently, but Stewart was also good as Sejanus in the series I, Claudius. And he had hair, although I have significant doubts that it was his own.
 
2012-11-18 05:49:42 PM  

TheZorker: Can we send her cheesy movies?

The worst, we can find?

You know, as revenge?


Hah!

In her case, the best revenge may be sending her GOOD movies.

You know, with capable actors, interesting stories, actual character growth, whip-smart dialogue, etc.


born_yesterday: I only caught one episode recently, but Stewart was also good as Sejanus in the series I, Claudius. And he had hair, although I have significant doubts that it was his own.


AND he was really good in this one episode of Frasier.

He wasn't playing a villain, but still, he knocked it out of the park.
 
2012-11-18 06:12:28 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: QoS wasn't that farking bad, you losers.

REMEMBER THE INVISIBLE CAR AND DESPAIR.


No kidding. And the water mafia angle is more real than most people realize.Try negotiating water deals between Iraq and Iran without a whole phalanx of bodyguards.
 
2012-11-18 06:18:25 PM  

Mugato: Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.


He was great in Conspiracy Theory
 
2012-11-18 06:21:51 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: He was great in Conspiracy Theory


*looks that up on Wikipedia, sees Julia Roberts' name listed*

I'll have to take your word for that, sadly.
 
2012-11-18 06:31:54 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: The All-Powerful Atheismo: He was great in Conspiracy Theory

*looks that up on Wikipedia, sees Julia Roberts' name listed*

I'll have to take your word for that, sadly.


She was alright too. That movie was underrated.

But without Captain Picard it would have been awful.
 
2012-11-18 06:44:17 PM  

T-Servo: The All-Powerful Atheismo: QoS wasn't that farking bad, you losers.

REMEMBER THE INVISIBLE CAR AND DESPAIR.

No kidding. And the water mafia angle is more real than most people realize.Try negotiating water deals between Iraq and Iran without a whole phalanx of bodyguards.


Perception is reality, and I don't perceive a takeover of water rights in Bolivia beneficial to a Bond movie.
 
2012-11-18 07:03:26 PM  
Saw ":Lincoln" this weekend. What a joke. If this movie is supposed to be historically accurate then where were the vampires? And "spoiler alert' Lincoln dying at the end, how did this ending test well? Totally unbelievable.
 
2012-11-18 07:30:51 PM  

Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.

I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.

I think I just orgasmed.

And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.


Check out a little film from 1997 called "Masterminds", starring a pre-Mad Men Vincent Kartheiser. He also played the villain in a not-so-little film that same year called Conspiracy Theory.
 
2012-11-18 07:42:41 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.

I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.

I think I just orgasmed.

And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.

Check out a little film from 1997 called "Masterminds", starring a pre-Mad Men Vincent Kartheiser. He also played the villain in a not-so-little film that same year called Conspiracy Theory.


Ok. I'm not his biographer.
 
2012-11-18 07:54:54 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: Subby apparently has no idea how Hollywood works. If there is money to be made, it will be milked to death.

/Star Wars 7-9?


The thing is Lucas never really milked the franchise the way it should. It was all ad hoc and poorly managed. He could of been worth 5 times the 4 billion if he actually managed things correctly.
 
2012-11-18 07:59:44 PM  

gingerjet: CPT Ethanolic: Subby apparently has no idea how Hollywood works. If there is money to be made, it will be milked to death.

/Star Wars 7-9?

The thing is Lucas never really milked the franchise the way it should. It was all ad hoc and poorly managed. He could of been worth 5 times the 4 billion if he actually managed things correctly.


If Lucas really wanted to milk the franchise there would have been a lot more movies between 1983 and 1999.
 
2012-11-18 08:18:59 PM  

unyon: robsul82: Not sure why it especially stuck in my craw this year, but the Oscar horses have been missing their endings so far. Both Flight and Lincoln went on past where the natural ending was. Just niggling and annoying, lol.

There's nothing I hate more than when nigglers ruin the end of a perfectly good movie.


Nigglers, please.
 
2012-11-18 08:24:00 PM  

Mugato: FuryOfFirestorm: Mugato: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mugato: I guess Patrick Stewart wold be too obvious but would also be badass.

I'd love this, actually.

There are different ways you can go with Blofeld.

Donald Pleasence made Blofeld come across as more of a cerebral threat. Telly Savalas made Blofeld more of a physical presence.

Patrick Stewart would be more of a lean towards the Pleasence Blofeld, and I would be all right with that.

I think I just orgasmed.

And yet still I'm not a studio executive.
Patrick Stewart's never been a villain in anything I've seen (well he was a Borg for a while but he didn't want to be) but I think he'd be badass as a Bond villain.

Check out a little film from 1997 called "Masterminds", starring a pre-Mad Men Vincent Kartheiser. He also played the villain in a not-so-little film that same year called Conspiracy Theory.

Ok. I'm not his biographer.


Sorry if I came off as snarky. I was just sincerely offering some films that Stewart starred in as a villain. I think there was a TV movie of Moby Dick where he played Ahab, if you consider Ahab a villain. IIRC, there's was a cable TV movie of A Christmas Carol where he played Scrooge, as well. Happy viewing!
 
2012-11-18 08:36:57 PM  

T-Servo: Oh, has Spoony done another drunken rant about Breaking Dawn? I know Mrs Servo is going to force me to watch it, and he really helped me come down from the trauma last year. 

/link worth watching in case you missed it


Yes
 
2012-11-18 08:39:21 PM  
I guess I really am the only person who didn't love Skyfall.

Too many throwaway characters (including the bond girl and the caretaker), the story wasn't all that exciting, the fan service throwback was done ham-handedly, and there wasn't a surprising event in the whole damn movie. It was OK... many parts enjoyable... but I wouldn't put it much about Quantum.
 
2012-11-18 08:51:36 PM  
A thread discussing Lincoln, slavery, secession, SPECTRE, James Bond and Partrick Stewart as Blofeld all at once. Nice.
 
2012-11-18 09:14:19 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: T-Servo: Oh, has Spoony done another drunken rant about Breaking Dawn? I know Mrs Servo is going to force me to watch it, and he really helped me come down from the trauma last year. 

/link worth watching in case you missed it

Yes


Cheers, mate.
 
2012-11-18 10:39:19 PM  

Hollie Maea: I Like Bread: Sounds like Lincoln got killed at the theater...

Obvious joke aside, it actually did very well. This isn't the type of movie that has a huge first weekend that accounts for 45% of its gross. It will most likely stay in the theaters through the entire awards season, and the 20 million it opened with was actually about twice as was expected.


This. Twilight and Skyfall are kind of "one and done" movies, something for the kids to check out over Thanksgiving break. Lincoln will probably do like Flight and Argo, in that good word of mouth will keep it in the top 5 for at least a month.

Plus, it only cost $65 million, which seems pretty cheap for a Spielberg movie with A-list actors.
 
2012-11-18 11:10:42 PM  

Pappas: I guess I really am the only person who didn't love Skyfall.

Too many throwaway characters (including the bond girl and the caretaker), the story wasn't all that exciting, the fan service throwback was done ham-handedly, and there wasn't a surprising event in the whole damn movie. It was OK... many parts enjoyable... but I wouldn't put it much about Quantum.


You're not the only one. I thought it was bland as hell, much like it's theme song.
 
2012-11-19 12:21:11 AM  

Pauly Math: Lincoln has done pretty well so far in the theaters, which historically has not been the case.

/so, so sorry


Is that you, George?
 
2012-11-19 01:08:56 AM  
Its hard to beat Nostalgia Critics rant on Bella.

Link
 
2012-11-19 11:20:50 AM  

Twilight Farkle: firegoat: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."

I would go see that movie.

FDR: American Badass! came out last month. Barry Bostwick (yes, "Brad" from RHPS) plays Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who, from his wheelchair-of-death, deals out WW2-style justice upon the Nazi werewolves who gave him polio. It is every bit as awesome as it sounds.


Ehhhhhh, not really. It's trying to hard to be "so bad it's good".

Way too many sex jokes in there too, did a 13-year old boy write the script?

Did it have some epic parts? Yes, but it didn't make up for the rest of the film.

/It was pretty epic that Kevin Sorbo played Abe Lincoln
 
2012-11-19 11:30:36 AM  
Got dragged to Breaking Dawn last night. Holy crap what a piece of shiat. Granted I only saw a couple other ones (through Rifftrax) so I wasn't as invested as the sobbing Twihards in the audience but the whole thing was just exposition leading up to a 10 minute battle sequence and even the battle sequence was boring. I want to punch this movie in the throat.
 
2012-11-19 02:48:44 PM  
Made the mistake of going to Home Depot around 6pm Saturday night that's right next to a 16 screen megaplex. Traffic was hell and parking had overflowed into the HD lot. Plus I about hit a pack of teenage kids running between cars as they headed towards two jam packed fast food restaurants.

/Get off my lawn
 
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