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(Deadline)   Breaking Dawn 2 takes the weekend box office with $137 million, holding Skyfall and Lincoln at bay in the 2 and 3 spots. But we can all rest easier knowing the reign of sparkly vampires is, blessedly, over   (deadline.com) divider line 109
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2012-11-18 08:55:10 AM
SDCC is going to be a lot more tolerable this year.
 
2012-11-18 08:59:57 AM
Haha. Submitter just hopes they are. In reality, Stephanie Meyers has already told the world she plans to write sequels to the Twilight series.
 
2012-11-18 09:24:41 AM
"Over" until Meyer writes more Twilight books and/or someone decides to reboot the movie series, you mean.
 
2012-11-18 09:25:55 AM
Saw Skyfall at a matinee. Theatre was filling up even before the previews, and the previous show had sold out.

But when we left, they had two designated lines for "Breaking Wind: Poot Two".
 
2012-11-18 09:32:18 AM
Subby apparently has no idea how Hollywood works. If there is money to be made, it will be milked to death.

/Star Wars 7-9?
 
2012-11-18 09:38:02 AM
Skyfall and Lincoln are both 'quite good' - thats about as much as I'd say for either. If either one makes my top 10 of the year, it'll he at the end of the list.
 
2012-11-18 09:44:48 AM
Don't hold your breath, they made it so they can have another sequel to this saga, give it about 10-20 years
 
2012-11-18 09:49:44 AM
I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.
 
2012-11-18 09:55:20 AM
Take THAT, Seth Grahame-Smith
 
2012-11-18 09:55:38 AM
Not sure why it especially stuck in my craw this year, but the Oscar horses have been missing their endings so far. Both Flight and Lincoln went on past where the natural ending was. Just niggling and annoying, lol.
 
2012-11-18 09:57:46 AM
I read that as "Red Dawn 2" when I came into this thread and was wondering why you guys were discussing stupid, sparkly vampires. My bad. Anyone going to see Red Dawn? Trailer looks good.
 
2012-11-18 10:11:30 AM
LINE
 
2012-11-18 10:12:07 AM

The English Major: LINE


*cues Yakety Sax*
 
2012-11-18 10:13:51 AM
I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.
 
2012-11-18 10:16:29 AM
The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."
 
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2012-11-18 10:30:20 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


I know three people who saw it. It received high praise from all.
 
2012-11-18 10:32:36 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


It's actually really good.

Though, that said, it's a really good movie about the amendment ratification process and the importance of procedural minutiae in the passing of legislation in the US in general, plus a bit of commentary on the myopia of Washington politics with a sly dig at idiots that think the 2000s invented partisan politics in there.

So... good or not, I'd not really recommend it to anyone that's not up on modern US politics. That's right, modern politics, while the historical references were consistent (they even remembered how important Seward was) if you go in expecting a drama or a history movie, you're going to come out disappointed.
 
2012-11-18 10:33:06 AM
Dark Twilight comes out next year, catering to all the women in their thirties who were teenagers when it first came out.
 
2012-11-18 10:38:43 AM

Jim_Callahan: SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."

It's actually really good.

Though, that said, it's a really good movie about the amendment ratification process and the importance of procedural minutiae in the passing of legislation in the US in general, plus a bit of commentary on the myopia of Washington politics with a sly dig at idiots that think the 2000s invented partisan politics in there.

So... good or not, I'd not really recommend it to anyone that's not up on modern US politics. That's right, modern politics, while the historical references were consistent (they even remembered how important Seward was) if you go in expecting a drama or a history movie, you're going to come out disappointed.


More than anything, it's a movie you see to watch brilliant goddamm acting. That's really what the movie is, a vehicle for its actors. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
2012-11-18 10:59:53 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


"I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power"... is something the real Abraham Lincoln actually said.

Daniel Day-Lewis was amazing. This was the Lincoln I knew from the books.
 
2012-11-18 11:03:56 AM

Larry Mahnken: "I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power"... is something the real Abraham Lincoln actually said.


Is that true? I was wondering how much of what he says in the movie is actually true. Like, did he really tell that George Washington story in the situation room (such as it was back then)?
 
2012-11-18 11:15:42 AM
Because of "Lincoln", I am going to get a painting of George Washington to put in my bathroom, just in case I make any British friends.

I also like saying "It opens!" when people knock on my door.

Also, on Friday night we planned to go to the 6:30 show, but when we arrived at 6:15 it had been sold out. Fortunately the movie theater had a bar attached which had 2 dollar domestic drafts for happy hour until 7, which made it much easier to wait until the 7:45 showing, which looked sold out as well.

/Lincoln was awesome
 
2012-11-18 11:23:53 AM

skinink: I liked Skyfall, but I guess my expectations were high after all the great reviews it's been getting. It isn't one of the best films this year. I thought the ending was underwhelming. I did like how they went into Bond's history though.


I think people's mileage will vary with Skyfall. For what it's worth, I thought it was one of the best in the Bond franchise. There's so much symbolism in the film with so much 'history' ending, but it's also setting up a new beginning. Perfect for a 50th anniversary film. They gave Judi Dench a wonderful exit and some great material to work with (like her speech to the oversight panel). At the same time, they gave Ralph Finnes a near-perfect 'welcome to the club' role. There's lots of little things for Bond fans, like the scene where Bond meet's Q for the first time. Q gives Bond a gun and a radio transmitter; the exact same inventory that Q gave Bond for their first on-screen meeting back in 'From Russia With Love'.

Also, Javier Bardeem was amazing. Considering how well Sean Bean played the traitorous 008 back in 'Goldeneye', Bardeem made Silva a completely different and interesting villain. If 008 is Bond's dark reflection, Silva is Bond pushed past the breaking point of sanity.

All in all, this isn't a 'gadgets everywhere' Bond film. This is very 'back to basics', as my friend says. And for setting up another 50 years for a franchise, back to basics is a good thing.
 
2012-11-18 11:32:27 AM

BronyMedic: Haha. Submitter just hopes they are. In reality, Stephanie Meyers has already told the world she plans to write sequels to the Twilight series.


...And their cousins in the 50 Shades of Grey S&M market.

Britney Spear's Speculum: I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.


You can since Jacob and Edward are secretly lovers. That's the only explanation I have, since it's completely implausible that anyone would fight over someone as wooden and self-absorbed as Bella.
 
2012-11-18 11:33:28 AM

Swoop1809: Because of "Lincoln", I am going to get a painting of George Washington to put in my bathroom, just in case I make any British friends.

I also like saying "It opens!" when people knock on my door.

Also, on Friday night we planned to go to the 6:30 show, but when we arrived at 6:15 it had been sold out. Fortunately the movie theater had a bar attached which had 2 dollar domestic drafts for happy hour until 7, which made it much easier to wait until the 7:45 showing, which looked sold out as well.

/Lincoln was awesome


I went to the 10am screening a bit late think there w
 
2012-11-18 11:35:25 AM
Oh, has Spoony done another drunken rant about Breaking Dawn? I know Mrs Servo is going to force me to watch it, and he really helped me come down from the trauma last year. 

/link worth watching in case you missed it
 
2012-11-18 11:35:46 AM

OtherLittleGuy: Saw Skyfall at a matinee. Theatre was filling up even before the previews, and the previous show had sold out.

But when we left, they had two designated lines for "Breaking Wind: Poot Two".


Skyfall on Friday night was PACKED. And worth it for being packed in a room to see it. An excellent Bond film that I actually up a bit at two points.
 
2012-11-18 11:36:00 AM

gunga galunga: Swoop1809: Because of "Lincoln", I am going to get a painting of George Washington to put in my bathroom, just in case I make any British friends.

I also like saying "It opens!" when people knock on my door.

Also, on Friday night we planned to go to the 6:30 show, but when we arrived at 6:15 it had been sold out. Fortunately the movie theater had a bar attached which had 2 dollar domestic drafts for happy hour until 7, which made it much easier to wait until the 7:45 showing, which looked sold out as well.

/Lincoln was awesome

I went to the 10am screening a bit late think there w


(goddamn phone)

thinking there wouldn't be a huge ceowd. The place was packed and I had to sit at the way front. I was at least able to sit at the center, though. The audience was very responsive. They loves Tommy Lee Jones' "it opens" line.
 
2012-11-18 11:37:22 AM

T-Servo: Oh, has Spoony done another drunken rant about Breaking Dawn? I know Mrs Servo is going to force me to watch it, and he really helped me come down from the trauma last year. 

/link worth watching in case you missed it


Oooh, just remembered that this means we'll get a How Did This Get Made for Breaking Dawn soon. They said they were going to finish it up with Doug Benson.
 
2012-11-18 11:56:32 AM
So, the deal is in our house: she goes to sci-fi/comic book movies with me, I go to Twilight movies with her.

Two things:

CGI baby is creepy.

Aro's fruity, over-the-top laugh when he mind-melds or whatever with Tressome' or whatever she's called, is so goofy my g/f laughed out loud. The theater at that moment was so quiet you could hear a pin drop. We still can't figure out if everyone else was shocked to the point of awe by this weird element, or if they all take this shiat so seriously that they find no humor except in the places you're "supposed" to laugh.

His outburst was so, so weird and and fruity. I can't believe they left it in.


Oh, and it seems like I saw this movie before. A small group of various heroes with various talents gathers to fight a fruity, dark haired villain in a cape, and his army of dark, almost robotic followers.
 
2012-11-18 12:01:18 PM

T-Servo: Britney Spear's Speculum: I was subjected to this series. It makes no sense at all. You can't claim to have a "love triangle" when the girl doesn't like one of the guys.

You can since Jacob and Edward are secretly lovers. That's the only explanation I have, since it's completely implausible that anyone would fight over someone as wooden and self-absorbed as Bella.



momsbasementdotorg.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-18 12:04:34 PM

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: "I am the President of the United States, clothed in immense power"... is something the real Abraham Lincoln actually said.

Is that true? I was wondering how much of what he says in the movie is actually true. Like, did he really tell that George Washington story in the situation room (such as it was back then)?


The Ethan Allen story (George Washington's picture in the outhouse) was one of Lincoln's favorite stories. He told it many times.
 
2012-11-18 12:06:58 PM
On being informed that the amendment was still two votes short, Lincoln is reported to have told the Republican Congressmen: "I am President of the United States, clothed with great power. The abolition of slavery by Constitutional provisions settles the fate, for all ... time, not only of the millions now in bondage, but of unborn millions to come - a measure of such importance that those two votes must be procured. I leave it to you to determine how it shall be done, but remember that I am President of the United States, clothed with immense power, and I expect you to procure those two votes ..." (John B. Alley, Reminiscences of Abraham Lincoln, ed., Rice, 1886 ed., p 585-6. Per Goodwin, p. 687).
 
2012-11-18 12:10:11 PM
The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.
 
2012-11-18 12:15:06 PM
Maybe with this being the final Twitard movie, Mtv Movie Awards will finally get off the Twilight band wagon.
 
2012-11-18 12:15:36 PM
sounds right.

Breaking Dawn broke new ground in the vampire genre.
Skyfall added to the Bond story.
But Lincoln was just a rehash of old info (spoiler: Lincoln gets shot in a theater)
 
2012-11-18 12:16:45 PM

robsul82: Not sure why it especially stuck in my craw this year, but the Oscar horses have been missing their endings so far. Both Flight and Lincoln went on past where the natural ending was. Just niggling and annoying, lol.


There's nothing I hate more than when nigglers ruin the end of a perfectly good movie.
 
2012-11-18 12:18:08 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: The Lincoln movie looks terrible. The trailer they cut for it is so bad, I kept expecting to see a scene with Lincoln wearing sunglasses, holding a pump shotgun and saying, "Let's go emancipate some slaves."


I would go see that movie.
 
2012-11-18 12:23:53 PM
Lincoln has done pretty well so far in the theaters, which historically has not been the case.

/so, so sorry
 
2012-11-18 12:24:53 PM

T-Servo: That's the only explanation I have, since it's completely implausible that anyone would fight over someone as wooden and self-absorbed as Bella.


Maybe she has a snapper.
 
2012-11-18 12:40:02 PM

Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.


You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.
 
2012-11-18 12:45:07 PM

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: The one problem I had with the movie (other than the fact that you could understand what Tad was saying, but it's a movie, so that's fine) is that it was portrayed as though without the 13th Amendment, the South would have surrendered. It is true that some Northerners believed that this was true, but Stephens was not empowered by Davis to agree to anything without the precondition of Confederate Independence. The film portrays the Hampton Roads Conference falling apart because of slavery.

You can't really expect them to hire an actor who had a cleft palate.


They didn't need to do that, but he should have had a lisp and talked very quickly. But it didn't really bother me much.

Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.
 
2012-11-18 12:46:34 PM

Larry Mahnken: Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.


Would it have been passed by a new Congress? I thought the issue was that the South would sue for peace before then, and if they did so, they would, as a condition to peace, make sure that amendment wouldn't pass. And public opinion would have hugely supported the peace over the amendment.

Maybe that's not reality, but that's the story I took from the movie and it made perfect sense to me.
 
2012-11-18 12:52:18 PM
How are they going to do more sequels to Twilight when every character is immortal? They could do motion capture I guess but that would be even creepier and lifeless than their actual performances.
 
2012-11-18 12:59:58 PM

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: Also, they portray the 13th Amendment as something that needed to be passed before the war ended, otherwise public sentiment would be against it. In point of fact, it would have been easily passed by the new Congress in March, and been ratified just as it was. Lincoln just didn't want to wait.

Would it have been passed by a new Congress? I thought the issue was that the South would sue for peace before then, and if they did so, they would, as a condition to peace, make sure that amendment wouldn't pass. And public opinion would have hugely supported the peace over the amendment.

Maybe that's not reality, but that's the story I took from the movie and it made perfect sense to me.


That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

Like I said, the portrayal of the Hampton Roads Conference was wrong. The conference didn't break up over slavery, it broke up over independence. Jefferson Davis would only allow two outcomes to the war: Confederate independence or conquest of the South by the Union. He couldn't get the former, so we ended up with the latter.

The Republicans gained enough seats in the 1864 election (where the 13th Amendment was part of the party platform) that they would have passed the amendment in the new Congress. It was passing in March, no matter what the outcome of the war.

Public sentiment in 1865 was that slavery had been the cause of the war, and that slavery had to be destroyed after the war. It was far from universal, and many people -- perhaps a majority -- were willing to *allow* slavery to survive if that was in exchange for the South giving up, but a majority were in favor of abolishing slavery if it's preservation wasn't a condition for peace.
 
2012-11-18 01:01:27 PM

Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.


I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.
 
2012-11-18 01:03:08 PM

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.


Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.
 
2012-11-18 01:05:02 PM

Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.

Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.


I don't think its self-evident at all. As long as the war was going on, the amendment wouldn't have really had any practical effect anyways, since its not like the South was going to obey it.
 
2012-11-18 01:08:20 PM
I'll rest easier when the Twilight author is launched into the deep recesses of space with no means to send communication back to Earth.
 
2012-11-18 01:09:33 PM

DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: DamnYankees: Larry Mahnken: That's the story the movie was pushing, but it's not reality. Kushner bent reality a bit to make the film more dramatic.

I don't doubt anything you're saying, but then what's the explanation for why Lincoln wanted it passed under the existing Congress? He must have had a reason.

Why did Abraham Lincoln want to abolish slavery as soon as possible? I think the answer to that question is self-evident.

I don't think its self-evident at all. As long as the war was going on, the amendment wouldn't have really had any practical effect anyways, since its not like the South was going to obey it.


There were slaves in states that remained loyal to the Union, as well as areas of the Confederacy not covered under the Emancipation Proclamation because they were under Union control on January 1st, 1863. There was a practical effect on them.
 
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