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2012-11-18 10:35:44 AM

sno man 3 Isrealies v. 15 Palestinian citizens last I heard

Sounds balanced and fair to me.

When a nation is attacked, it isn't their job to make sure the same number of their soldiers die as the enemy.

/// good god the left is stupid.
 
2012-11-18 10:37:51 AM

Happy Hours: Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.

Ah the suffering of civilians suffering. Are you very redundant very often when you're being redundant?

Sorry, it's late here and I've been drinking.

And for some reason I get the feeling that this isn't just going to be the usual skirmish that regularly takes place between Israel and her neighbors. Maybe it is - Seriously, ask any average American about this situation. If they're even aware of it their reaction will probably be Hamas or Hezbollah are lobbing rockets at Israel and Israel is retaliating? So what's new? (That is if they don't have to have Hamas explained to them).

I will admit that I'm not very informed but what does Hamas hope to gain by lobbing rockets into Israel? Do they have any sort of reasonable demands that could be addressed? Or is their stance simply that Israel should cease to exist? Seems like a horribly naive question to ask, but it's probably one which should be answered before we move on to the more complicated questions.


Hamas has a list of demands. As does Israel. Neither have indicated a willingness to compromise. Neither demands are realistic.
 
2012-11-18 10:38:18 AM

starsrift: Mrtraveler01: starsrift: Lotta both sides are bad talk today, which inevitably turns to anti-Israel talk as they have their justice-blind champions.

So if I don't blindly support Israel 100%, does that make me Anti-Israel?

According to some... not me.


Hell, according to some, not supporting Israel 100% makes you anti-Semitic

/respects Israel
//respects Jews
///sees the difference
 
2012-11-18 10:41:07 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: ReverendJasen: If Mexico started lobbing rockets across the border into San Diego, we'd bomb the everloving shiat out of them, and you know it.

Yes, but we aren't forcing Mexicans to live in a ghetto with a density of 12,000 people per square mile forever. Therefore, your false equivalency is false.


There's nothing false about it. It wouldn't matter *why* they were doing it. If they killed Americans, we'd bomb the fark out of them. We would not give them a pass because they were treated badly.
 
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2012-11-18 10:41:40 AM

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


Then stop launching rockets at areas with no military activity.
 
2012-11-18 10:42:38 AM

ReverendJasen: There's nothing false about it. It wouldn't matter *why* they were doing it. If they killed Americans, we'd bomb the fark out of them. We would not give them a pass because they were treated badly.


If Mexico was being occupied by the US, you'd have a point.
 
2012-11-18 10:43:04 AM
"France says 'war can be avoided'"

HHAHAHhhahahahHHAhahahahHAhaHAHAHAH
 
2012-11-18 10:44:13 AM
nigelparry.com

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www.countercurrents.org


buncha bloodthirsty warmongering savages...
 
2012-11-18 10:44:45 AM

Bontesla:

Hamas has a list of demands. As does Israel. Neither have indicated a willingness to compromise. Neither demands are realistic.


I'm starting to wonder if it's practical for Israel to keep up the blockade given Hamas already has a friendly-ish government in Egypt and tunnels for the more illegal stuff. It would seem like one could use that as a bargaining chip in the short term at least.
 
2012-11-18 10:45:35 AM

NFA: BLAH BLAH BLAH Then stop launching rockets


/FTFY
 
2012-11-18 10:47:02 AM
When Israel pays for trolls to spread propaganda on random forums, you can infer quite a lot about both their priorities and their moral authority.
 
2012-11-18 10:47:14 AM
Anybody watching McCain on Face the Nation right now?

Now it's a party!
 
2012-11-18 10:47:37 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: Ya, I don't have much to contribute other than to say every single one of my Israeli friends on facebook oppose bibi. Paying attention to the troll in this thread is akin to tuning into Glen Beck... He's not a representative of progressive Israelis


Or even relatively moderate Israelis, in many cases.
 
2012-11-18 10:49:08 AM
poop
 
2012-11-18 10:50:01 AM
Alexander the Great wrote about the warring tribes of the middle east. These groups hate each other & have done so for thousands of years. It is going to take a lot more time & evolution for that hatred to disappear. Until then, they will continue to try to wipe each other off the planet.

//its not about politics or land or military attacks-they are just excuses to perpetuate hatred towards each other

//sad
 
2012-11-18 10:51:17 AM

thamike: BigBooper: I didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States? How the fark would we have any problem with our military attacking launch sites, rocket factories and storage sites, and the leaders of the attacks?

I doubt the US would bombard, invade, occupy, marginalize and continuously co-antagonize all of Mexico and most of Central America, while calling the president of Mexico a "leader of a terrorist organization" because of it.

F*cking analogies, how do they work?


What if the head of a drug cartel was elected president?
 
2012-11-18 10:53:04 AM
Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.
 
2012-11-18 10:53:23 AM
I will be so happy when the asteroid hits and all this god-inspired nonsense comes to an end.
 
2012-11-18 10:54:05 AM

indarwinsshadow: Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.


Got nothing huh? 

You guys use the Jew card like it's the race card.
 
2012-11-18 10:56:15 AM

Happy Hours: I will admit that I'm not very informed but what does Hamas hope to gain by lobbing rockets into Israel? Do they have any sort of reasonable demands that could be addressed? Or is their stance simply that Israel should cease to exist? Seems like a horribly naive question to ask, but it's probably one which should be answered before we move on to the more complicated questions.


This is actually an interesting question. The timing of this is awfully curious. It's worthwhile to note that Israel has early domestic elections, and have deliberately antagonized the Palestinians before. It's also worthwhile to note that Abbas - head of the PLO government in West Bank - is making a UN resolution on Nov 29th to recognize Palestine as a state. (This is a vote upon which no country carries veto power). Israel does NOT want Abbas to do this, and Hamas has no reason to see their opposition in West Bank succeed to such a credible degree.
Then there's all the usual things that Palestinians want, like human rights and freedoms.
 
2012-11-18 10:58:03 AM

indarwinsshadow: Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.


Well, in literland, Farkers can be terrifying.

There were actual border patrol suggestions that involve murdering border hoppers from helicopters.
 
2012-11-18 10:58:11 AM
RIGHT, SO, everyone talks about upper atmosphere nuke based EMP weapons as being this radiation free awesome endgame? why not detonate one right above TelAviv/Jerusalem/Nazareth and fry-out all the electronic and electrical devices in the whole region. this would nix most weapons, cnn, twitter, etc... making the Holy Land truly Holy again.
 
2012-11-18 10:59:50 AM

Mrtraveler01: indarwinsshadow: Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.

Got nothing huh? 

You guys use the Jew card like it's the race card.


i1225.photobucket.com

You should get madder bro....it suits you when I publicly pull your pants down and call you out as a punk.
 
2012-11-18 11:01:00 AM

Bontesla: Well, in literland, Farkers can be terrifying.


Typical... TotalFark Elitist claptrap.

Just because you found some fat loner to buy you a $5 monthly membership doesn't make you better than me, you degenerate tart!
 
2012-11-18 11:07:07 AM

I_Love_Cheesecake: Nice to see our favourite pro-Israel shill out in full force this fine Sunday morning.

Nothing like shooting fish in a barrel (eg., Gaza), eh IDF?



People like you make it so easy to believe Tatsuma in threads like this. It must be daunting for you, when he's coming out swinging with all of this inconvenient "information" and "facts," and all you have are personal attacks, metaphors, and hyperbole. Amos Quito must hate your sort for making his side of things look like a bunch of hormonal, shiat-talking middle-schoolers.
 
2012-11-18 11:10:10 AM

indarwinsshadow: Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.


Odd, seems to me a lot of Jews outside Israel think the government of Israel are war hungry farknuts, and have been for 30 years.

Is that just because we're self hating Jews?
 
2012-11-18 11:11:31 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Bontesla: Well, in literland, Farkers can be terrifying.

Typical... TotalFark Elitist claptrap.

Just because you found some fat loner to buy you a $5 monthly membership doesn't make you better than me, you degenerate tart!


Well, considering that you demonstrate poor reading comprehension skills, we've found one area in which I am better than you.

/hint: I didn't say what you think I said
 
2012-11-18 11:11:47 AM
Again, there is plenty of blame to go around, but if you supporters of oppression want to pretend there are two states fighting here with similar arms and tactics, you are delusional. Israel has already killed 10 times as many Palestinians, and they are just getting started. Talk about your overreach, grow the fark up and work out a peace plan already.

This whole idea that Palestine should just leave them alone and get along in peace totally ignores the open-air prison in which the Palestinians live. This can't go on forever, and holding these people responsible for shiat that happened two or three or ten generations ago is barbaric. Israel is holding all the cards here, if they wanted peace they could have had it. I just hope that after the humanitarian crisis that Israel creates, they don't start WWIII.
 
2012-11-18 11:13:10 AM

BigNumber12: I_Love_Cheesecake: Nice to see our favourite pro-Israel shill out in full force this fine Sunday morning.

Nothing like shooting fish in a barrel (eg., Gaza), eh IDF?


People like you make it so easy to believe Tatsuma in threads like this. It must be daunting for you, when he's coming out swinging with all of this inconvenient "information" and "facts," and all you have are personal attacks, metaphors, and hyperbole. Amos Quito must hate your sort for making his side of things look like a bunch of hormonal, shiat-talking middle-schoolers.


Israeli propaganda /= facts

Seriously, if they civilians didn't want to die they just would go somewhere else, right? They have all the power and freedom to do that don't they?
 
2012-11-18 11:13:50 AM

Bontesla: /hint: I didn't say what you think I said


/hint: fellate me, knave
 
2012-11-18 11:15:45 AM

Bungles: indarwinsshadow: Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.

Odd, seems to me a lot of Jews outside Israel think the government of Israel are war hungry farknuts, and have been for 30 years.

Is that just because we're self hating Jews?


No, It's laughable and pathetic to read how accepted racism is on fark.
 
2012-11-18 11:15:50 AM

indarwinsshadow: You should get madder bro....it suits you when I publicly pull your pants down and call you out as a punk.


Um...you didn't. But if you want to go with that. Who am I to stop you.
 
2012-11-18 11:15:58 AM

BigNumber12: I_Love_Cheesecake: Nice to see our favourite pro-Israel shill out in full force this fine Sunday morning.

Nothing like shooting fish in a barrel (eg., Gaza), eh IDF?


People like you make it so easy to believe Tatsuma in threads like this. It must be daunting for you, when he's coming out swinging with all of this inconvenient "information" and "facts," and all you have are personal attacks, metaphors, and hyperbole. Amos Quito must hate your sort for making his side of things look like a bunch of hormonal, shiat-talking middle-schoolers.


Yes, Tatsuma is such a respected member of the Fark community, who always convinces people to his point of view.
 
2012-11-18 11:16:33 AM

ginandbacon: BronyMedic: ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.

Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.

*sigh*

Yeah, I totally love Hamas. Three Israelis are dead in this most recent idiocy. You think I don't mourn them? We have 50 Palestinians dead (at least) and three Israelis. Enough. It's just more of the same. Israel has been using collective punishment for decades.

Do you think it's working?


Doing nothing didn't seem to stop the rocket attacks.
 
2012-11-18 11:16:58 AM

indarwinsshadow: Bungles: indarwinsshadow: Ah. Another "let's blame the jews" thread.

Ready?

*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....*Bong* Bring out your jews....*Bong* Bring out your jews.....

Fark. The home of anti Semitics at it's finest.

Odd, seems to me a lot of Jews outside Israel think the government of Israel are war hungry farknuts, and have been for 30 years.

Is that just because we're self hating Jews?

No, It's laughable and pathetic to read how accepted racism is on fark.


Because we don't support Bibi and his idiotic policies blindly somehow makes us racist?
 
2012-11-18 11:18:04 AM

ginandbacon: Israeli Deputy PM Yishai: "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water"


You too.
 
2012-11-18 11:24:52 AM
Just because I'm sick of the analogies, let us unequivocally answer whether the United States would invade and occupy Mexico if they launched cross border raids. Not only would we but indeed did so, on two separate occasions. See: Our response to the Mexican government's detaining of American sailors and perhaps even more apt to the current situation, what occurred following the raid on Columbus, New Mexico by Mexican insurgents.
 
2012-11-18 11:25:31 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Both sides of this are wrong lying bloodthirsty freaks of the desert.
Neither side deserves a holy land or anything good in life.
I hope they nuke each other into oblivion.
That said, Bibi Netanyahu is going to wear this mess around his neck like a flaming truck tire.
He's being trolled like a boss.

/When either side can present facts that are the truth and both sides STILL look like horrible murderous pigs, you know something bigger is going on here.


Nice opinion. Now get some facts.
 
2012-11-18 11:26:13 AM

ginandbacon: Israeli Deputy PM Yishai: "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water"


Please tell me he really didn't say that.

It makes it that much harder for me to defend Israel.
 
2012-11-18 11:27:48 AM

jaybeezey: ginandbacon: BronyMedic: ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.

Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.

*sigh*

Yeah, I totally love Hamas. Three Israelis are dead in this most recent idiocy. You think I don't mourn them? We have 50 Palestinians dead (at least) and three Israelis. Enough. It's just more of the same. Israel has been using collective punishment for decades.

Do you think it's working?

Doing nothing didn't seem to stop the rocket attacks.


So in your mind the only options are status quo or attacking. Nice.
 
2012-11-18 11:32:28 AM
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

"Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey and Iraq. And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations.


Now we find out how true that was
 
2012-11-18 11:34:02 AM

hbk72777: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 305x165]

"Mr. President, the reason I call it an apology tour is because you went to the Middle East and you flew to Egypt and to Saudi Arabia and to Turkey and Iraq. And by the way, you skipped Israel, our closest friend in the region, but you went to the other nations.


Now we find out how true that was


Except for those times that Obama did go to Israel.

But at that point, Romney and his campaign were still farking the "apology tour" chicken. He was getting desperate.
 
2012-11-18 11:37:57 AM

Mrtraveler01: Because we don't support Bibi and his idiotic policies blindly somehow makes us racist?


...but if right wingers ditched the "criticism for Israeli policy = antisemitism" talking point, they might have to logically and reasonably defend the positions and decisions of Netanyahu, Likud, and its right wing coalition while providing a persuasive case for
Without, you know, managing to sound like Grand Moff Tarkin in the process.
 
2012-11-18 11:45:06 AM

jaybeezey: HotIgneous Intruder: Both sides of this are wrong lying bloodthirsty freaks of the desert.
Neither side deserves a holy land or anything good in life.
I hope they nuke each other into oblivion.
That said, Bibi Netanyahu is going to wear this mess around his neck like a flaming truck tire.
He's being trolled like a boss.

/When either side can present facts that are the truth and both sides STILL look like horrible murderous pigs, you know something bigger is going on here.

Nice opinion. Now get some facts.


Har-har. Bibi is a psychopath, just like DumbYa was.
Does the ironicalness bother you or do you just love to defend murderers?
That's not very pious of you.
 
2012-11-18 11:47:10 AM
Do you think in 200 years there will be a Jewish thanksgiving where they brush over their genocidal conquest of a land by saying the palestinians gave them turkey and cranberry sauce?
 
2012-11-18 11:47:53 AM

Tatsuma: As far as civilians dying, it is tragic, but Hamas themselves admit that they use civilian shields. Not only do they use them, but its their actual official policy to.

"Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

The bombs cache that the IDF destroyed were usually next to (sometimes inside) mosques, kindergarten, schools, clinics, etc...


It's incredibly sad when civilians die, but they make it a point that they will die. Israel struck more than 900 targets in Gaza in the last 4 days, and killed 3 terrorists for every civilian who sadly died. I think this is a clear indication that the IDF is doing its utmost best to insure that the lives of innocents will not be ended because of Hamas fighters.


That is one of the most nauseating statistics I have ever seen. You get paid to write this horseshiat, or do you just barf up propaganda reflexively?
 
2012-11-18 11:51:49 AM

lilplatinum: Do you think in 200 years there will be a Jewish thanksgiving where they brush over their genocidal conquest of a land by saying the palestinians gave them turkey and cranberry sauce?


In 200 years, Israel will have ceased to exist.
I guarantee it.
 
2012-11-18 11:52:26 AM
solutionfocusedpolitics.files.wordpress.com
send in the Blair


Alright, maybe not

Issue is you have 1.7 million people living in a 30 mile corridor not much more than 5 miles wide. They live in poverty and are ruled by a bunch of thugs who want to destroy western leadership of the free world and constantly seek to indoctrinate the people rather than empower them. That's about the size of it.

Fixing the problem seems to be beyond the people of Gaza, the region and the world
 
2012-11-18 11:57:29 AM

AcneVulgaris: Tatsuma: As far as civilians dying, it is tragic, but Hamas themselves admit that they use civilian shields. Not only do they use them, but its their actual official policy to.

"Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

The bombs cache that the IDF destroyed were usually next to (sometimes inside) mosques, kindergarten, schools, clinics, etc...


It's incredibly sad when civilians die, but they make it a point that they will die. Israel struck more than 900 targets in Gaza in the last 4 days, and killed 3 terrorists for every civilian who sadly died. I think this is a clear indication that the IDF is doing its utmost best to insure that the lives of innocents will not be ended because of Hamas fighters.

That is one of the most nauseating statistics I have ever seen. You get paid to write this horseshiat, or do you just barf up propaganda reflexively?


He's paid in the sense that this persona is one of the dozen or so used by students doing their IDF conscription time.

Never found it curious how his "facts" often seen to mirror the Israeli talking points not yet released for that night's news cycle?
 
2012-11-18 11:57:39 AM

ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed. At some point,trucks of food stop making it right.


How many German pregnant ladies did the United States kill in the 1940s? Every Israeli war is infinitely more justified that any American war has been, and yet people still get a thrill in their voice when they can dream of exterminating the last Jew from the world...
 
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