orbister: astroturd: Why arent the Palestinian people looking for Hamas themselves?Because when all you've got is Hamas, everything looks like Niles?
shotglasss: Is it wrong of me to wish for the Israelis to be utterly and completely wiped out? Kill every Jew across the entire planet so that we no longer have to hear about how they're killing innocent muslim women and children. Level Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and every buillding within their border.Would that end this madness?
Your Average Witty Fark User: To all of you douchebag Hamas apologists: it's ok for them to attack Israel, but Israel is just supposed to take it?GFY.
ACallForPeace: indarwinsshadow: No, It's laughable and pathetic to read how accepted racism is on fark.Try /pol/ sometime if you think this is bad.But yes, Fark has its share of white supremacists and racists, check any thread where police abuse minorities or Republicans are trying to defend their arguments.Fark is a US site and one half of our two party system is a far right nationalist racist party akin to the National Front in other countries. It's just a reflection of modern America.
flynn80: Cowardly acts? Who is the coward? Israel, which uses sophisticated state-of-the-art weaponry (courtesy of the US taxpayer) to relentlessly attack an unarmed, half-starved and densely packed population who have nowhere to run because their borders have been sealed 24/7 for 6 years, or the Gaza's guerrillas who fight back with anything that comes to hand including garden-shed rockets?
thamike: HotIgneous Intruder: Tatsuma: Massive barrage of rockets happening right now in the south, and has been happening for about half an hour right nowWhere, oh where, are all these rockets coming from? I mean, who built them and then brought them to Gaza? It's a shame the Israelis are too stupid to stop this activity. Or maybe they choose not to stop them, since is looks better to appear to be the innocent party.Hamas doesn't even represent Gazans anyway. They're foreign, funded by Shi'ite Iran, and taking part in destroying a predominately Sunni population. They are an occupying force. Gazans would probably be relieved if Hamas was eradicated, rather than thrown around their necks like a noose by Israel, who only cares about money and land in this situation.
starsrift: I suggest you look into the origins of Hamas. They may be currently supplied by external state actors, but it was started by Gazans.
flynn80: Throughout the latest crisis western leaders, news readers, chat-show hosts and assorted pundits have focused on the "thousands" of rockets fired by Hamas.White House Press Secretary Jay Carney is reported as saying: "There is no justification for the violence that Hamas and other terrorist organizations are employing against the people of Israel. We call on those responsible to stop these cowardly acts immediately in order to allow the situation to deescalate."Cowardly acts? Who is the coward? Israel, which uses sophisticated state-of-the-art weaponry (courtesy of the US taxpayer) to relentlessly attack an unarmed, half-starved and densely packed population who have nowhere to run because their borders have been sealed 24/7 for 6 years, or the Gaza's guerrillas who fight back with anything that comes to hand including garden-shed rockets?What if Hamas dumped all their rockets in the sea tomorrow? Would the illegal blockade be lifted? Would Gazans enjoy the same freedoms as other nations? Would their democratically elected government be allowed to get on and govern? Would they be able to open their sea port to foreign ships and rebuild and operate their airport? Would they be able to import and export and carry on trade and develop their economy and prosper like other countries?Would they be allowed to develop and benefit from their offshore gas field? Would their fishermen be allowed to fish in unpolluted waters? Would their young people be able to come and go and take up places at foreign universities?Would Israel clear out of Gaza's airspace permanently? Would the Israeli navy cease its piracy and stay out of Palestinian territorial waters? Would you and I be able to visit Gaza direct?Fat chance. None of this would suit Israel. So Palestinians would be no better off.
Mrtraveler01: shotglasss: I don't think Netanyahu dislikes Obama, but he does know that Obama will not help him out kiss his ass all the time like most Republican do and therefore cannot trust Obama.FTFYThat's the real reason Bibi wanted Romney to win. Because Romney would just go along with whatever Bibi wanted him to (including invading Iran). Because Israel won't go to Iran without our help. Obama's win was a major setback for Bibi as he doesn't have a yes man in the US anymore.
Mrtraveler01: BigBooper: didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States?If Mexico was occupied territory, you'd have a point.
Seraphym: IF GAZA WAS OCCUPIED TERRITORY, SO WOULD YOU.Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005. They have not built shiat in Gaza since then, do not run that strip of coastline towns (that's Hamas) and Gaza has borders to get legitimate (i.e. not war-making) supplies through with Egypt as well as Israel.
that bosnian sniper: Seraphym: IF GAZA WAS OCCUPIED TERRITORY, SO WOULD YOU.Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005. They have not built shiat in Gaza since then, do not run that strip of coastline towns (that's Hamas) and Gaza has borders to get legitimate (i.e. not war-making) supplies through with Egypt as well as Israel....so you're arguing the conflict is of an international nature?
thamike: quietwalker: Evaluate both sides with identical criteria, and there is no way in which Hamas is not the primary aggressor, in which the burden of guilt and responsibility does not lie primarily with them. Sadly, this also means they are the side which has the power to produce peace. In any real way, what happens next is up to them. The fact that this war is continuing is because they want it to.[rlv.zcache.com image 400x400]Is not peace. And neither fighting side is interested in peace. One side wants proprietary rights, and the other wants equality, statehood, and at least regional credibility. I don't even need to get into religion to see that these two interests, pitched against one another, can never lead to peace. Only a madman or a con man would be able to say so with a straight face.
that bosnian sniper: quietwalker: Evaluate both sides with identical criteria, and there is no way in which Hamas is not the primary aggressor, in which the burden of guilt and responsibility does not lie primarily with them.You understand the whole idea that in an asymmetric conflict, "both sides" cannot and should not be judged by identical criteria, right?
quietwalker: Asymmetric warfare as a concept says little about how you judge it [...] There is no level of sophistry that can confuse that, that can make things like theft of property equal to death of uninvolved civilians.
Seraphym: Essentially, yes.
that bosnian sniper: I wasn't aware that TV stations, journalists, and municipal buildings were military targets
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