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2012-11-18 08:28:15 AM  

Tatsuma: MFAWG: Honestly, I'm a little tired of giving the hard right in the Knesset and their mouthpieces any kind of a break.

I'm an MP? Holy shiat, better put on pants.


You are definitely a mouthpiece. Get out there and push the party line at every opportunity.
 
2012-11-18 08:31:47 AM  
"Hamas' military wing, the Izzedine al Qassam Brigade, claimed to have fired 34 rockets on Sunday, adding to the more than 900 it says its fired at Israel since the fighting began. A spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces put the number at more than 1,000."

How hard can it be to avoid discrepencies in the number of things that go boom?? It's time to enlist the aid of.....

josh.st 

The Count
 
2012-11-18 08:32:15 AM  
 
2012-11-18 08:32:17 AM  

ThunderPelvis: It's not apartheid if you send trucks of food to your subjects.

/however, both sides are f*cking douchey.


This is how I feel as well.

Neither side is truely innocent in this case. Especially with Bibi in charge who's done jacksquat to achieve peace between the two parties.

That said, I can't fault Israel for doing what it's doing. But they're the ones that let it get to this point.
 
2012-11-18 08:33:26 AM  
I think this was from the Clinton era but nonetheless, it seems so relevant tday....

Netanyahu Unaware of Camera

Bibi:...The Arabs are currently focusing on a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing...

Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say "how come you're conquering again?"


Netanyahu: the world won't say a thing. The world will say we're defending.

Woman: Aren't you afraid of the world, Bibi?

Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is something that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.

Child: They say they're for us, but, it's like...

Netanyahu: They won't get in our way. They won't get in our way.

Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they...

Netanyahu: So let's say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It's absurd. We have that kind of support and we say "what will we do with the..." Look. That administration [Clinton] was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn't afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price. 
 
2012-11-18 08:33:38 AM  

MFAWG: You are definitely a mouthpiece. Get out there and push the party line at every opportunity.


So I was pushing the Kadima line before (Left) and now I am pushing the Likud line (Center-Right)?
 
2012-11-18 08:33:51 AM  
Hey, and this is just like warm white snow....

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-18 08:34:10 AM  
Is this even news? When isn't the situation utter mayhem in the Gaza Strip?
 
2012-11-18 08:34:26 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Especially with Bibi in charge who's done jacksquat to achieve peace between the two parties.


Unlike, you know, constant concessions and saying 'We are ready to negotiate for peace at any time, lets site at the table without preconditions and see what it leads'?
 
2012-11-18 08:35:00 AM  
If we cut the fiber intake on both side, will that alleviate some of these shaitting problems? Maybe a nice dose of Colace in their morning coffee?
 
2012-11-18 08:35:51 AM  

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2012-11-18 08:37:01 AM  
How about this: everybody puts their weapons down, go back to their own home wherever/whatever that may be, and just let it all go.

It's land. Everyone's land belonged to someone else at some point in history. Is it worth killing and dying for?

I'm so worn down by all the religious strife, all the expansion strife, all the hate, that my empathy gauge is dangerously close to "E."
 
2012-11-18 08:37:19 AM  

Tatsuma: Unlike, you know, constant concessions and saying 'We are ready to negotiate for peace at any time, lets site at the table without preconditions and see what it leads'?


While simultaneous building even more settlements and evicting Palestinians from their homes.

Like I said, I don't defend what Gaza is doing, but Israel is not an innocent victim in this matter either. 

That'll happen the moment Israel stops building more settlements/treats Palestinians more than just second class citizens.
 
2012-11-18 08:37:41 AM  
If they don't like Gaza then they should move to Beverly Hills.
 
2012-11-18 08:37:59 AM  
I'm shocked at the way this thread has gone.
 
2012-11-18 08:38:22 AM  

rollersnake: How about this: everybody puts their weapons down, go back to their own home wherever/whatever that may be, and just let it all go.

It's land. Everyone's land belonged to someone else at some point in history. Is it worth killing and dying for?


They could all just move to California and wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
 
2012-11-18 08:39:16 AM  

Mrtraveler01: While simultaneous building even more settlements and evicting Palestinians from their homes.


Show me one example of a new settlement under the Bibi administration
 
2012-11-18 08:39:52 AM  

Tatsuma: MFAWG: You are definitely a mouthpiece. Get out there and push the party line at every opportunity.

So I was pushing the Kadima line before (Left) and now I am pushing the Likud line (Center-Right)?


You're pushing the Jewish supremacist line. That's all you ever push.
 
2012-11-18 08:41:25 AM  

MustTryHarder: You're pushing the Jewish supremacist line. That's all you ever push.


Hey David Duke what's up my man? What you been up to?
 
2012-11-18 08:42:30 AM  

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: While simultaneous building even more settlements and evicting Palestinians from their homes.

Show me one example of a new settlement under the Bibi administration


Not a new settlement, just expanding an old settlement. Which is contrary to what the International Community wants
 
2012-11-18 08:44:10 AM  

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


FFS... Then stop firing missles into Gaza.

3 Isrealies v. 15 Palestinian citizens last I heard

Sounds balanced and fair to me.
 
2012-11-18 08:44:45 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Not a new settlement, just expanding an old settlement. Which is contrary to what the International Community wants


The Palestinian Authority has already declared that Pisgat Ze'ev and Ramot will stay part of the Israeli side of the city if Jerusalem is divided. By the way, both of these are integral parts of Jerusalem, and not 'settlements'.

You claimed that Bibi was 'building new settlements', show me one new settlement that was established by his administration.
 
2012-11-18 08:45:29 AM  

sno man: FFS... Then stop firing missles into Gaza.


Before we started the current campaign four days ago, they had fired more than 800 missiles in Israel in 2012. Last year, 627.

What do you expect us to do?
 
2012-11-18 08:46:35 AM  

Tatsuma: MustTryHarder: You're pushing the Jewish supremacist line. That's all you ever push.

Hey David Duke what's up my man? What you been up to?


What you don't get is that when you throw shiat like this at people they start to question your motives. You are blatantly the worst liar and bullshiat artist this site has ever seen. The agenda you're pushing is so outrageously one sided that for every idiot that falls for it you make a dozen enemies.

I used to support Israel - Western style democracy up against the seething Muslim hordes. But listening to the lies you peddle, the absolutely shameless lies that even Goebbels would be too embarrassed to push, I have long since reconsidered. There are countless people like me here. I don't expect you to listen, but I do enjoy seeing you get outed for what you are.
 
2012-11-18 08:47:15 AM  

Tatsuma: The Palestinian Authority has already declared that Pisgat Ze'ev and Ramot will stay part of the Israeli side of the city if Jerusalem is divided. By the way, both of these are integral parts of Jerusalem, and not 'settlements'.


Then how come that's not the message the world is gathering from this?

They seem to think that these are settlements regardless of the fact that they're in Jerusalem.
 
2012-11-18 08:47:51 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: While simultaneous building even more settlements and evicting Palestinians from their homes.

Show me one example of a new settlement under the Bibi administration

Not a new settlement, just expanding an old settlement. Which is contrary to what the International Community wants


Also, how would we know about any new settlements when---

In July 2012, the UN Human Rights Council decided to set up a probe into Jewish settlements. Israel responded by saying it would bar the Council's experts from access to the sites.

/stop indulging that boring heel
 
2012-11-18 08:47:58 AM  
I had a feeling that Netanyahu launched the current level of the offensive (as opposed to a simple proportionate response) because he feels threatened for the Jan 22 elections, especially after he's been challenged publicly for his support of Mitt Romney and for possibly endangering the relationship with the US.
 
2012-11-18 08:48:06 AM  
It's almost like people are still angry that Israel kicked them out of their homes and forced them to live in ghettos for generations. Weird that treating people like animals makes them turn into animals.

Go ahead, defend this because Hamas is made up of " terrorists". I'm pretty sure that's what the Vichy government called the French resistance.
 
2012-11-18 08:48:26 AM  
Can't see that shiat from my house.
 
2012-11-18 08:49:14 AM  

RexTalionis: I had a feeling that Netanyahu launched the current level of the offensive (as opposed to a simple proportionate response) because he feels threatened for the Jan 22 elections, especially after he's been challenged publicly for his support of Mitt Romney and for possibly endangering the relationship with the US.


I thought the polls showed Bibi and the Likud's taking the election without much of a fight.
 
2012-11-18 08:49:32 AM  
I didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States? How the fark would we have any problem with our military attacking launch sites, rocket factories and storage sites, and the leaders of the attacks?

Of course we wouldn't, we would demand that our military defend us. Even if those sites were PURPOSELY put in civilian areas.

You can talk about the history of Israel and Hamas all you want. The bottom line is that Hamas is trying to spark a greater war in the middle east. They want to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, so that Israel has no choice but to attack the rocket sites. And Hamas builds these sites in civilian areas, making sure those areas are packed with woman and children. They want to have the Arab street to rise up and demand that their governments go to war with Israel.

Don't be idiots, Hamas would sacrifice anything to destroy Israel. If that means that many of their own woman and children must be sacrificed, then they will gladly make that sacrifice.

So all of you who blame Israel for this. How should they respond to constant rocket attack?

Oh, and FYI, the current leaders of Hamas will accept nothing less than the destruction of Israel. How do you negotiate peace with someone who wants, and will accept nothing less, than your death?
 
2012-11-18 08:49:45 AM  
A ground offensive with heavy armor seems like it would incur quite a bit less international ire than the current bombing campaign.
 
2012-11-18 08:49:52 AM  
Israel is an apartheid state. It's fundementally unjust. Their actions should surprise no one.
 
2012-11-18 08:51:04 AM  

MustTryHarder: What you don't get is that when you throw shiat like this at people they start to question your motives.


"Jewish supremacism" is specifically something that was created by David Duke

MustTryHarder: You are blatantly the worst liar and bullshiat artist this site has ever seen.


Please point out the lies and bullshiat I posted in this thread

Mrtraveler01: Then how come that's not the message the world is gathering from this?


That does not in any way change the fact that the Palestinian Authority has declared that those neighborhood will be part of Israel in any two state solution. Palestine Papers, and many other statements.
 
2012-11-18 08:51:11 AM  

BigBooper: didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States?


If Mexico was occupied territory, you'd have a point.
 
2012-11-18 08:51:20 AM  

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: While simultaneous building even more settlements and evicting Palestinians from their homes.

Show me one example of a new settlement under the Bibi administration


Increased Spending

Increased Housing


Increased Population

That was a 30 second Google search. Netanyahuh is as much a part of the problem as any other figure over there.
 
2012-11-18 08:51:26 AM  

sno man: Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.

FFS... Then stop firing missles into Gaza.

3 Isrealies v. 15 Palestinian citizens last I heard

Sounds balanced and fair to me.


I agree. The Israelis should display restraint and allow more of their own civilians to be killed before considering retaliation. It's only fair.
 
2012-11-18 08:52:28 AM  

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Not a new settlement, just expanding an old settlement. Which is contrary to what the International Community wants

The Palestinian Authority has already declared that Pisgat Ze'ev and Ramot will stay part of the Israeli side of the city if Jerusalem is divided. By the way, both of these are integral parts of Jerusalem, and not 'settlements'.

You claimed that Bibi was 'building new settlements', show me one new settlement that was established by his administration.


OK just this once, for the sake of everyone else--

A July 2009 survey of Israeli public opinion found that people were about evenly divided on the issue of new settlement construction, with 46 percent of those polled in support of further construction and 44 percent opposed.

On 19 June 2011, Haaretz reported that the Israeli cabinet voted to revoke Defense Minister Ehud Barak's authority to veto new settlement construction in the West Bank, by transferring this authority from the Agriculture Ministry, headed by Barak ally Orit Noked, to the Prime Minister's office.

In 2009, Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said: "I have no intention of building new settlements in the West Bank... But like all the governments there have been until now, I will have to meet the needs of natural growth in the population. I will not be able to choke the settlements." On 15 October 2009, he said the settlement row with the United States had been resolved.

In March 2012, it was revealed that the Civil Administration, a unit of the IDF, has over the years covertly earmarked 10% of the West Bank for further settlement.

On 7 June 2012, Netanyahu ordered the construction of 300 new homes in Beit El in the West Bank. He has also authorised the move of five apartment buildings to Beit El from the nearby outpost Ulpana, where they are to be removed by 1 July 2012, after the supreme court ruled that they were built on private Palestinian land. According to Al Jazeera, an additional 550 new homes are to be built elsewhere in the West Bank.
 
2012-11-18 08:53:04 AM  

INeedAName: That was a 30 second Google search.


None of these things translate as new settlements.

The buildings being built are within the municipal boundaries of the already existing settlements, and those settlements are not expending, and neither are new ones being created.
 
2012-11-18 08:53:31 AM  

Tatsuma: That does not in any way change the fact that the Palestinian Authority has declared that those neighborhood will be part of Israel in any two state solution. Palestine Papers, and many other statements.


Got a citation?

I thought East Jerusalem was going to be part of Palestinian territory.
 
2012-11-18 08:54:07 AM  

BigBooper: I didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States? How the fark would we have any problem with our military attacking launch sites, rocket factories and storage sites, and the leaders of the attacks?

Of course we wouldn't, we would demand that our military defend us. Even if those sites were PURPOSELY put in civilian areas.

You can talk about the history of Israel and Hamas all you want. The bottom line is that Hamas is trying to spark a greater war in the middle east. They want to kill as many Israeli civilians as possible, so that Israel has no choice but to attack the rocket sites. And Hamas builds these sites in civilian areas, making sure those areas are packed with woman and children. They want to have the Arab street to rise up and demand that their governments go to war with Israel.

Don't be idiots, Hamas would sacrifice anything to destroy Israel. If that means that many of their own woman and children must be sacrificed, then they will gladly make that sacrifice.

So all of you who blame Israel for this. How should they respond to constant rocket attack?

Oh, and FYI, the current leaders of Hamas will accept nothing less than the destruction of Israel. How do you negotiate peace with someone who wants, and will accept nothing less, than your death?


Alright then, are they prepaired to suffer the international backlash if they go in and kill them all to protect the land they conquered?
 
2012-11-18 08:54:30 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: While simultaneous building even more settlements and evicting Palestinians from their homes.

Show me one example of a new settlement under the Bibi administration

Not a new settlement, just expanding an old settlement. Which is contrary to what the International Community wants



you know what could have prevented this kind of thing from happening if you were the Palestinians?
sign a peace treaty 30 years ago accepting the status quo.
they lost a war and don't want to negotiate a peace with their opponents.
they don't want to give up the right of return and want a return to the pre-1967 borders.
sorry, they and their allies started the war and lost, again.
when they hold out for a white peace for damn near 50 years after getting ther asses kicked, why is it the other side who is at fault?
if japan had demanded a white peace in ww2 we would still be over there.
 
2012-11-18 08:54:50 AM  

ginandbacon: BronyMedic: ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.

Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.

*sigh*

Yeah, I totally love Hamas. Three Israelis are dead in this most recent idiocy. You think I don't mourn them? We have 50 Palestinians dead (at least) and three Israelis. Enough. It's just more of the same. Israel has been using collective punishment for decades.

Do you think it's working?


This. So much this.
 
2012-11-18 08:54:53 AM  
So all of you who blame Israel for this. How should they respond to constant rocket attack?

They should look at WHY there is constant rocket attack, and do something about the root problem: generations of people living in poverty with no hope getting out of poverty. When you have a large population of uneducated and unemployable young men, war happens. That has been true for thousands of years. They keep these people segregated, and they shouldn't be surprised.

Now to be clear, I don't give a fark what these monsters do. Both sides are filled with war criminals and thugs. I'm angry that MY country keeps getting dragged into this.
 
2012-11-18 08:55:00 AM  

thamike: Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Not a new settlement, just expanding an old settlement. Which is contrary to what the International Community wants

The Palestinian Authority has already declared that Pisgat Ze'ev and Ramot will stay part of the Israeli side of the city if Jerusalem is divided. By the way, both of these are integral parts of Jerusalem, and not 'settlements'.

You claimed that Bibi was 'building new settlements', show me one new settlement that was established by his administration.

OK just this once, for the sake of everyone else--

A July 2009 survey of Israeli public opinion found that people were about evenly divided on the issue of new settlement construction, with 46 percent of those polled in support of further construction and 44 percent opposed.

On 19 June 2011, Haaretz reported that the Israeli cabinet voted to revoke Defense Minister Ehud Barak's authority to veto new settlement construction in the West Bank, by transferring this authority from the Agriculture Ministry, headed by Barak ally Orit Noked, to the Prime Minister's office.

In 2009, Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said: "I have no intention of building new settlements in the West Bank... But like all the governments there have been until now, I will have to meet the needs of natural growth in the population. I will not be able to choke the settlements." On 15 October 2009, he said the settlement row with the United States had been resolved.

In March 2012, it was revealed that the Civil Administration, a unit of the IDF, has over the years covertly earmarked 10% of the West Bank for further settlement.

On 7 June 2012, Netanyahu ordered the construction of 300 new homes in Beit El in the West Bank. He has also authorised the move of five apartment buildings to Beit El from the nearby outpost Ulpana, where they are to be removed by 1 July 2012, after the supreme court ruled that they were built on private Palestinian land. According to Al Jazeera, an additional 550 new homes are to be ...


Maybe they just need living space.
 
2012-11-18 08:55:07 AM  

ginandbacon: Israeli Deputy PM Yishai: "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water"


that would work, but is not what they are doing; I'd say your trolling but some people seem to think this and I'm guessing you do

I'm not a history buff but it seems that before WW2 this issue did not exist. So who idea was it?
 
2012-11-18 08:55:12 AM  

Mrtraveler01: BigBooper: didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States?

If Mexico was occupied territory, you'd have a point.


Hell, what would you say if we just up and moved into Mexico, kicked 'em out a few choice spots then built new walls around everything we took? I wouldn't blame them for firing rockets and I would gladly get all up on the President's case about wtf we were doing!
 
2012-11-18 08:56:26 AM  

BigBooper: I didn't read most of the Derp, so I'm sure this has been posted. But what do you think we would do if the drug cartels were firing rockets from Mexico into the United States? How the fark would we have any problem with our military attacking launch sites, rocket factories and storage sites, and the leaders of the attacks?


I doubt the US would bombard, invade, occupy, marginalize and continuously co-antagonize all of Mexico and most of Central America, while calling the president of Mexico a "leader of a terrorist organization" because of it.

F*cking analogies, how do they work?
 
2012-11-18 08:56:36 AM  
Is it okay to want to see Israel wiped off the map, and not give a shiat about religion? Or do I have to pick a side? (Difficulty-Native American and Israel is more douch-y than small-pox blankets).
 
2012-11-18 08:58:06 AM  
Gotta reclaim all that land before Iran finishes those nukes...
 
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