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2012-11-18 06:40:57 AM  
This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.
 
2012-11-18 06:57:59 AM  

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


It's not apartheid if you send trucks of food to your subjects.

/however, both sides are f*cking douchey.
 
2012-11-18 07:02:46 AM  

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed. At some point,trucks of food stop making it right.
 
2012-11-18 07:26:11 AM  

ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.


Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.
 
2012-11-18 07:31:09 AM  
Looks like the Israelis are out to test Obama's limits.

I wonder what'd happen if America started holding neocons responsible as collaborators.
 
2012-11-18 07:33:11 AM  

BronyMedic: ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.

Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.


What you mean, "another sovereign nation," kemosabe?
 
2012-11-18 07:35:05 AM  

BronyMedic: ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.

Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.


*sigh*

Yeah, I totally love Hamas. Three Israelis are dead in this most recent idiocy. You think I don't mourn them? We have 50 Palestinians dead (at least) and three Israelis. Enough. It's just more of the same. Israel has been using collective punishment for decades.

Do you think it's working?
 
2012-11-18 07:35:06 AM  

ginandbacon: Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.

Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed. At some point,trucks of food stop making it right.


I think when you see people posing for photos as dead, then coming back to life to go to the next photo shoot, or pictures of dead Palestinian children that prompts outrage at Israel which turn out to be actually a picture of an Israeli child killed by a Palestinian rocket, or pictures of victims of Israeli attacks which actually turn out to be images recycled from earlier in the year in Syria then you lose all respect for any claim made by a Palestinian.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Israel has never done anything bad and never killed children, of course they have but the Palestinians will never get anywhere by lying constantly. Also throwing stones at someone bigger than you doesn't always work out like it did for David. How can people say that Israel are trying to exterminate the Palestinians, in genocide, when they ship in tons of aid supplies? No military commander would advise giving succor to your enemy, but the Israeli's have done a lot to protect Palestinian civilians, over and above anything we've done, over and above anything Palestinians have done. Even when it's been difficult, like when the Palestinians use their own civilians as human shields.

Sometimes I wonder if I fall prey to Israeli propaganda, but I only think that because I can see the Palestinian lies for what they are, so if one side can lie why not the other? But as far as I can see it's just facts.
 
2012-11-18 07:36:08 AM  
UPDATES FOR THE LAST 24 HOURS

not a fully comprehensive list, but rather one representing a selection
of less reported news items/major points that need awareness
 
 


Within the last hour:

- Within the last hour, volleys of rockets (at least 30) fired toward Ashdod and Beer Sheva, at least one GRAD hit Beer Sheva.
- Israeli Cabinet currently voting on whether to pursue a ground offensive
- Chief of Staff to IDF: Pick up the pace of strikes in Gaza
- Multiple reports of major Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders killed, will keep updated


- IDF are dropping leaflets into Gaza: Important Message to Gaza Strip residents: Hamas is playing with fire and endangering your lives for naught. The IDF is proceeding to the next phase. For your own safety, we ask you to adhere to our instructions and distance yourselves from Hamas operatives and infrastructure. Sincerely, THE IDF.


The last 24 hours

- A fifth Israeli died yesterday, a year old man died from a heart attack while running for cover
- 50 were killed in Gaza, 13 of them civilians (with contradicting information from the PHRC, who often claims Hamas and other terrorists as civilians) since beginning of the strikes

- Southern Israel is still under attack, with multiple direct hits on houses and buildings
- Hamas has fired more than 1,200 rockets at Israel this year alone, more than 500 in the last four days. Last year, the total of rockets fired at Israel from Gaza was 627
- Hamas parliament building was destroyed yesterday, included in the now 900+ strikes that have happened in Gaza in the last four days.
- Multiple Fajr-5 missiles were fired at Tel Aviv and toward Jerusalem, but were shot down by the Iron Dome

- Hamas has declared that they are considering starting suicide bombings again, warn the IDF that 'suicide squads' are waiting for them in Gaza. Judean People's Front is now in play.
- Syria claims that Israel killed 3 Syrian soldiers in retaliation attacks in Northern Israel
- NYT reports that the Obama administration is pressing Israel not to enter Gaza
- Rumors of a ceasefire keep popping up in Arab media, but Israeli government denies being ready to accept one, that 'enough is enough'.

- Iran denies that they are the ones who provided the Iranian Fajr-5 to Hamas; Islamic Jihad declared later that from the first missile to last bullet, everything they have comes from Iran
- Hizbullah says that IDF is making a grave mistake if they enter Gaza, that they won't personally be involved because they are busy with Syria, but Egypt should do something about it
- Protests have been happening everywhere in the West Bank, in relatively low numbers.
 
2012-11-18 07:39:34 AM  

Slaxl: ginandbacon: Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.

Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed. At some point,trucks of food stop making it right.

I think when you see people posing for photos as dead, then coming back to life to go to the next photo shoot, or pictures of dead Palestinian children that prompts outrage at Israel which turn out to be actually a picture of an Israeli child killed by a Palestinian rocket, or pictures of victims of Israeli attacks which actually turn out to be images recycled from earlier in the year in Syria then you lose all respect for any claim made by a Palestinian.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Israel has never done anything bad and never killed children, of course they have but the Palestinians will never get anywhere by lying constantly. Also throwing stones at someone bigger than you doesn't always work out like it did for David. How can people say that Israel are trying to exterminate the Palestinians, in genocide, when they ship in tons of aid supplies? No military commander would advise giving succor to your enemy, but the Israeli's have done a lot to protect Palestinian civilians, over and above anything we've done, over and above anything Palestinians have done. Even when it's been difficult, like when the Palestinians use their own civilians as human shields.

Sometimes I wonder if I fall prey to Israeli propaganda, but I only think that because I can see the Palestinian lies for what they are, so if one side can lie why not the other? But as far as I can see it's just facts.


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-18 07:41:08 AM  
As far as civilians dying, it is tragic, but Hamas themselves admit that they use civilian shields. Not only do they use them, but its their actual official policy to.

"Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

The bombs cache that the IDF destroyed were usually next to (sometimes inside) mosques, kindergarten, schools, clinics, etc...


It's incredibly sad when civilians die, but they make it a point that they will die. Israel struck more than 900 targets in Gaza in the last 4 days, and killed 3 terrorists for every civilian who sadly died. I think this is a clear indication that the IDF is doing its utmost best to insure that the lives of innocents will not be ended because of Hamas fighters.
 
2012-11-18 07:42:45 AM  
It's interesting to note that the IDF are preparing for their ground offensive by bombing the journalists.
 
2012-11-18 07:45:51 AM  

WebSkipper: BronyMedic: ginandbacon: Tats, 13 children are dead. A pregnant woman was killed.

Shocking. Innocent people would die when terrorist governments hide like cowards behind them, and use them as human meatshields for political gain. At least the Israelis make it a point to attempt to avoid Civilian casualties, not purposefully target them with artillery. You know, like HAMAS.

Curiously enough, I see you aren't making an issue of the fact that their Government has made it a policy to support the shelling of another sovereign nation with mortars and rockets, despite ostensibly holding a peace/cease fire treaty with them.

What you mean, "another sovereign nation," kemosabe?


The Palestian Authority has billions in the bank. If their people are living in a world without power, sewage treatment, infrastructure or other means of life, it is because the PA is using them to market the message that Israel is horrible and should be wiped from the planet during the next war.
 
2012-11-18 07:47:12 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's interesting to note that the IDF are preparing for their ground offensive by bombing the journalists.


Ayman Mohyeldin's reports are chilling.
 
2012-11-18 07:48:09 AM  

Slaxl: No military commander would advise giving succor to your enemy, but the Israeli's have done a lot to protect Palestinian civilian


As hundreds of rocket were being fired at the beginning of the week, you had Israeli workers under IDF protection repairing the electricity grid in Gaza. What an awfully genocidal people we are, making sure that the lights are on so they can see the full scope of atrocities!

www.israelnationalnews.com

Basically while rockets were being fired, you had Israeli Electric Company workers on a crane, protected by a huge concrete pane, working to fix the electricity to Gaza, endangering their lives and the lives of the soldiers protecting them to insure that Gaza didn't suffer blackouts.
 
2012-11-18 07:50:35 AM  
Israeli Deputy PM Yishai: "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water"
 
2012-11-18 07:51:38 AM  

Tatsuma: Slaxl: No military commander would advise giving succor to your enemy, but the Israeli's have done a lot to protect Palestinian civilian

As hundreds of rocket were being fired at the beginning of the week, you had Israeli workers under IDF protection repairing the electricity grid in Gaza. What an awfully genocidal people we are, making sure that the lights are on so they can see the full scope of atrocities!

[www.israelnationalnews.com image 250x168]

Basically while rockets were being fired, you had Israeli Electric Company workers on a crane, protected by a huge concrete pane, working to fix the electricity to Gaza, endangering their lives and the lives of the soldiers protecting them to insure that Gaza didn't suffer blackouts.


Yeah I know, it's admirable. You didn't think I was being critical of Israel there did you?
 
2012-11-18 07:54:55 AM  
"The sites hit in Gaza early Sunday included buildings used by Britain's Sky News channel and the Dubai-based pan-Arab broadcaster al-Arabiya, the news organizations reported. At least six journalists were wounded, according to a health ministry spokesman in Gaza quoted by wire services." Link
 
2012-11-18 07:55:18 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: It's interesting to note that the IDF are preparing for their ground offensive by bombing the journalists.


Yes indeed, it has everything to do with the IDF wanted to kill journalists, and not, for example, this (video included)

Footage of a presenter on the Arabic language television station Al-Arabiya apparently confirms that Hamas fired at least one rocket from close to a building used by journalists during the 22-day conflict between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

The Israel Defense Forces shelled the building, drawing international condemnation, and television networks with offices in the building denied that rockets had been launched from anywhere nearby.

But the recording, filmed by an Israeli and released Tuesday by Israel's Foreign Ministry, shows Al-Arabiya presenter Hanan Al-Masri saying that a Grad rocket had been fired from a location near the studios at Al-Shuruk tower in Gaza City. Al-Masri did not realize that she had been caught on camera.

Al-Masri, a Gaza resident, has been a reporter for Al-Arabiya for three years. She is filmed discussing other issues until she is apparently distracted by the firing.

"...A rocket from here? It's here," she says and turns to look at a window. "Listen, it's here, below the building..."

The production team tells Al-Masri that a rocket has been fired from a nearby location. She then calls someone and says: "The rocket that was just fired from here is a Grad?... It's as if it was fired from beneath the office. It was very loud. I thought it was bombing but it was a rocket launch."

The Foreign Ministry says the film is proof that Hamas had fired from the area of the studios.



Or the fact, that, as the IDF declared:

The IDF struck a building housing two international media outlets early Sunday morning, hours after striking another building housing a number of media outlets, the affected media outlets reported. Six journalists were injured in the first strike but no injuries were reported in the second strike.

Sky News Arabia and Al-Arabiya said their offices were hit in the second strike.

The first strike hit a building housing Palestinian Ma'an and Al Quds television stations. Five Al Quds employees and one freelancer were injured in that strike. Iran's PressTV later said the sixth injury was one of its cameramen.

The IDF said the first strike targeted a rooftop "transmission antenna used by Hamas to carry out terror activity."



Nope, we're just trying to kill journalists, because fark them.
 
2012-11-18 07:57:41 AM  

Slaxl: Yeah I know, it's admirable. You didn't think I was being critical of Israel there did you?


No, I was just adding to what you were saying. Figured it was a good time for it
 
2012-11-18 08:05:26 AM  
Nice to see our favourite pro-Israel shill out in full force this fine Sunday morning.

Nothing like shooting fish in a barrel (eg., Gaza), eh IDF?
 
2012-11-18 08:06:35 AM  
Israel does not want to start a guerrilla war.
 
2012-11-18 08:07:12 AM  

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


Ah the suffering of civilians suffering. Are you very redundant very often when you're being redundant?

Sorry, it's late here and I've been drinking.

And for some reason I get the feeling that this isn't just going to be the usual skirmish that regularly takes place between Israel and her neighbors. Maybe it is - Seriously, ask any average American about this situation. If they're even aware of it their reaction will probably be Hamas or Hezbollah are lobbing rockets at Israel and Israel is retaliating? So what's new? (That is if they don't have to have Hamas explained to them).

I will admit that I'm not very informed but what does Hamas hope to gain by lobbing rockets into Israel? Do they have any sort of reasonable demands that could be addressed? Or is their stance simply that Israel should cease to exist? Seems like a horribly naive question to ask, but it's probably one which should be answered before we move on to the more complicated questions.
 
2012-11-18 08:08:12 AM  
Well, that's my limit for propaganda today.
 
2012-11-18 08:09:20 AM  

Happy Hours: I will admit that I'm not very informed but what does Hamas hope to gain by lobbing rockets into Israel?


War of attrition, trying to make us lose moral, being dicks.

Happy Hours: Do they have any sort of reasonable demands that could be addressed?


No, you nailed it:

Happy Hours: Or is their stance simply that Israel should cease to exist?


Pretty much
 
2012-11-18 08:10:08 AM  

ginandbacon: Israeli Deputy PM Yishai: "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water"


You forgot to paste the link to the source for that.
 
2012-11-18 08:10:09 AM  

BalugaJoe: Israel does not want to start a guerrilla war.


The IDF is essentially already dealing with a guerilla war. If there was a formal war this would be a lot simpler.
 
2012-11-18 08:12:00 AM  

taurusowner: You forgot to paste the link to the source for that.


Google search pretty much shows this is bullshiat.
 
2012-11-18 08:13:01 AM  

Tatsuma: Happy Hours: I will admit that I'm not very informed but what does Hamas hope to gain by lobbing rockets into Israel?

War of attrition, trying to make us lose moral, being dicks.
=h


upload.wikimedia.org

/Hot like a train going in a tunnel
 
2012-11-18 08:14:57 AM  

MFAWG: /Hot like a train going in a tunnel


I am having discussions and listening to media in three different languages, give me a break
 
2012-11-18 08:15:18 AM  
I hope not. Bibi's political posturing isn't worth a single drop of our soldiers' blood. He'll only let the ground forces stay in for as long as he can withstand the international backlash, then pull the cord.
 
2012-11-18 08:15:34 AM  
who gives a shiat about any of this stuff?
 
2012-11-18 08:16:05 AM  

ThunderPelvis: Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.

It's not apartheid if you send trucks of food to your subjects.

/however, both sides are f*cking douchey.


has anyone signed an armistice following the 1973 war?
might be time to get around to that if you are the representatives of the Palestinian people.
you know, so you can get yourself some sort of state perhaps.
you can't refuse to make peace and attack your opponent every other year but simultaneously demand your opponent to respect your sovereignty and borders.
 
2012-11-18 08:16:49 AM  
Both sides of this are wrong lying bloodthirsty freaks of the desert.
Neither side deserves a holy land or anything good in life.
I hope they nuke each other into oblivion.
That said, Bibi Netanyahu is going to wear this mess around his neck like a flaming truck tire.
He's being trolled like a boss.

/When either side can present facts that are the truth and both sides STILL look like horrible murderous pigs, you know something bigger is going on here.
 
2012-11-18 08:17:11 AM  

Nogale: I hope not. Bibi's political posturing isn't worth a single drop of our soldiers' blood. He'll only let the ground forces stay in for as long as he can withstand the international backlash, then pull the cord.


Yeah that's the annoying thing. Either we go in all the way, or we do not go in at all (except to retake the Philadelphi corridor)

Nogale: I hope not. Bibi's political posturing isn't worth a single drop of our soldiers' blood. He'll only let the ground forces stay in for as long as he can withstand the international backlash, then pull the cord.

 
2012-11-18 08:17:12 AM  
This land is mine

God gave this land to me

This brave and ancient land to me
And when the morning sun
Reveals her hills and plains
Then I see a land
where children can run free.

So take my hand
And walk this land with me
And walk this lovely land with me
Tho' I am just a man

When you are by my side

With the help of God
I know I can be strong.

So take my hand
And walk this land with me

And walk this golden land with me.
Tho' I am just a man

When you are by my side

With the help of God
I know I can be strong.

To make this land our home

If I must fight

I'll fight to make this land our own.
Until I die this land is mine!



youthvoices.net
 
2012-11-18 08:17:28 AM  

Tatsuma: This morning, Israel sent 117 trucks, hundreds of tons of humanitarian help, in order to alleviate the suffering of civilians suffering in Gaza.

Just because we want to stop Hamas from hurting our civilians doesn't mean we want to hurt theirs.


I wonder why they can't be self sufficient? I wonder why they are being treated like refugees?
 
2012-11-18 08:18:01 AM  

Nogale: I hope not. Bibi's political posturing isn't worth a single drop of our soldiers' blood. He'll only let the ground forces stay in for as long as he can withstand the international backlash, then pull the cord.


You seem to claim the soldiers as yours.
Do something about this politically: Get Bibi the fark out of power, asap.
 
2012-11-18 08:18:12 AM  

Tatsuma: MFAWG: /Hot like a train going in a tunnel

I am having discussions and listening to media in three different languages, give me a break


Honestly, I'm a little tired of giving the hard right in the Knesset and their mouthpieces any kind of a break.
 
2012-11-18 08:19:34 AM  

taurusowner: ginandbacon: Israeli Deputy PM Yishai: "We must blow Gaza back to the Middle Ages destroying all the infrastructure including roads & water"

You forgot to paste the link to the source for that.


I saw this on TV. The good news is that noone in Israel will let Yishay anywhere near defense policy.
 
2012-11-18 08:19:38 AM  

EyeHateOnlineIdiots: who gives a shiat about any of this stuff?


we meed to detach ourselves from the entire sordid mess. stop sending money to all these assholes. stop giving shiat to israel. pull out the trops from the entire region. etc.
that entire region will always be a clusterf*ck of repression and violence.
 
2012-11-18 08:20:01 AM  
The sun also rises in the east. This is a repeat of every day for the last hundred years.
 
2012-11-18 08:20:20 AM  

Tatsuma: taurusowner: You forgot to paste the link to the source for that.

Google search pretty much shows this is bullshiat.


Yeah, Bill Neely's a real hack.
 
2012-11-18 08:20:35 AM  

MFAWG: Honestly, I'm a little tired of giving the hard right in the Knesset and their mouthpieces any kind of a break.


I'm an MP? Holy shiat, better put on pants.
 
2012-11-18 08:21:08 AM  

BalugaJoe: Israel does not want to start a guerrilla war.


A gorilla war however might be kind of fun to watch.


/They'd blow it all up though.
//Damn dirty apes.
 
2012-11-18 08:21:17 AM  

shpritz: I saw this on TV. The good news is that noone in Israel will let Yishay anywhere near defense policy.


Can't find a single reliable source on the internet. Been watching the TV and listening to radio, what are you talking about?
 
2012-11-18 08:22:59 AM  
Hamas proves that violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.
 
2012-11-18 08:23:55 AM  
These Israel threads are interesting. There are honestly folks who believe that their side is all good. All good, all the time. Oh even when they kill children, they keep the lights on, so that makes it good, right? It just...Wow. The power of nationalism. Somebody learned something from WWII.

Nationalism or they live in Minnesota during football season.
 
2012-11-18 08:26:28 AM  
We should turn Israel into a no-fly zone, Libya II.
 
2012-11-18 08:27:30 AM  

Tatsuma: shpritz: I saw this on TV. The good news is that noone in Israel will let Yishay anywhere near defense policy.

Can't find a single reliable source on the internet. Been watching the TV and listening to radio, what are you talking about?


It was yesterday evening on Channel 10 I think. He was arguing that the only way to stop the rockets is if we send them back to the 14th century (his words) and then the people of Gaza will demand that Hamas stop shooting.
 
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