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2012-11-18 08:52:43 AM  
Vending machines that take $20s? Are these in casinos?
 
2012-11-18 09:07:48 AM  
Meh, these sorts of transitions have happened before. My big problem is that the bills can stick together coming out of the ATM.
 
2012-11-18 09:19:12 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Meh, these sorts of transitions have happened before. My big problem is that the bills can stick together coming out of the ATM.


Hey, if I withdraw $40 and get $60, I don't think I'm going to complain.
 
2012-11-18 09:19:49 AM  
New bills with completely new, semi-transparent designs don't work in bill scanners that haven't been updated for them yet? FAIL CANADA LOL
 
2012-11-18 09:20:02 AM  
With US currency the bill validators need to be updated every time the currency is re-done. I'd assume its the same elsewhere.
 
2012-11-18 09:25:19 AM  
Done in one.
 
2012-11-18 09:27:44 AM  
I'll give you three $5 bills for that unusable $20.
 
2012-11-18 09:32:54 AM  

StrikitRich: Vending machines that take $20s? Are these in casinos?


Mostly at train and subways stations to buy tickets or monthly passes...
 
2012-11-18 09:38:38 AM  
The new 5's and 10's are coming next year, the 100 and the 50 have been out a while, no one should have been surprised these were coming. They should have been sorting this out when the new 100 first came out nearly two years ago.
They are still sorting out the new loonies and twonies weighing less too.
 
2012-11-18 09:40:12 AM  

Bhruic: JasonOfOrillia: Meh, these sorts of transitions have happened before. My big problem is that the bills can stick together coming out of the ATM.

Hey, if I withdraw $40 and get $60, I don't think I'm going to complain.


They get counted right but when you get four 50s but only count two then you get a little concerned. especially if you're drunk at the time.
 
2012-11-18 09:42:14 AM  
What's not mentioned is that the new weights of loonies and twoonies do ALSO not work in ticket and vending machines.

Trying to use cash from something automated is an effort in patience at the moment.
 
2012-11-18 09:48:54 AM  

StrikitRich: Vending machines that take $20s? Are these in casinos?


Certain erhrm, establishments in Montreal. ;)
 
2012-11-18 10:19:08 AM  

BumpInTheNight: StrikitRich: Vending machines that take $20s? Are these in casinos?

Certain erhrm, establishments in Montreal. ;)


Car washes?
 
2012-11-18 10:25:05 AM  
I have had several customers try and over pay me, the bills stick together badly. If I wasn't such an honest person, I could have increased my margins significantly.
 
2012-11-18 10:49:17 AM  
They don't handle heat well either.

nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com

/Not really a problem, being Canada and all
 
2012-11-18 10:51:16 AM  

Ed Becker: With US currency the bill validators need to be updated every time the currency is re-done. I'd assume its the same elsewhere.


Yeah, but we can't even think about switching to polymer bills (or introducing a dollar coin that's not the same size as a quarter) because the vending machine lobby has no interest in spending the money to update their acceptors.
 
2012-11-18 11:33:39 AM  

StrikitRich: Vending machines that take $20s? Are these in casinos?


In Fartbongo's Amerikkka you will soon need $20 to buy a Coke.
 
2012-11-18 11:45:51 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Ed Becker: With US currency the bill validators need to be updated every time the currency is re-done. I'd assume its the same elsewhere.

Yeah, but we can't even think about switching to polymer bills (or introducing a dollar coin that's not the same size as a quarter) because the vending machine lobby has no interest in spending the money to update their acceptors.


Canada must not have a vending lobby, because we're constantly getting new coins. War of 1812 quarters, for example.
 
2012-11-18 12:02:12 PM  
The change machine at my job doesn't like the new $5 bill. PITA!
 
2012-11-18 12:02:52 PM  
"The T1000 is Liquid polymer metal alloy". - the Terminator
 
2012-11-18 12:28:02 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Ed Becker: With US currency the bill validators need to be updated every time the currency is re-done. I'd assume its the same elsewhere.

Yeah, but we can't even think about switching to polymer bills (or introducing a dollar coin that's not the same size as a quarter) because the vending machine lobby has no interest in spending the money to update their acceptors.


If you have trouble distinguishing dollar coins from quarters, how do you deal with dimes and pennies? After all, they're almost the same size. Except they're a different color (like dollars and quarters), have different edges (like dollars and quarters), are of different weight (like dollars and quarters), and have different designs (like dollars and quarters). Otherwise, they're identical.

Furthermore, nearly every vending machine made since the 1980s can accept dollar coins -- if the owner lets it. There's a switch inside for dollar coin accept/reject. It comes by default in the "accept" position, but some vendors turn it off.

/so tired of the dollar coin/quarter falsehood
 
2012-11-18 01:14:17 PM  

sno man: The new 5's and 10's are coming next year, the 100 and the 50 have been out a while, no one should have been surprised these were coming. They should have been sorting this out when the new 100 first came out nearly two years ago.
They are still sorting out the new loonies and twonies weighing less too.


I work casino count rooms occasionally. Even recalibrated bill counters have problems with the new 100s. Because the polymer is slicker, they stick together (static?) and then bung up the machine fairly frequently. We ended up having to count nearly $50000 in $100s by hand, which was manageable. Hand counting 20s would have taken all night.

I would imagine that this might require entirely new bill separating and handling technology to deal with reliably.
 
2012-11-18 01:19:26 PM  
www.ucar.edu
 
2012-11-18 01:47:26 PM  
Whats even more funny is as the government lightens up coins with cheaper metal combinations, is that machines actually weigh the coins as they travel through and billion$(or tens of million$) have to be spent by the vending machine companies to recalibrate or replace parts to accept the coins...

/Well at least $5 bills will continue and not be changed to coin like they say every year...
//No more pennies... Stores now round up or round down cash transactions. cents 26 27 is round down. cents 29 28 is round up.
////Scrooge mcfark always rounds up.
 
2012-11-18 02:32:15 PM  
Cash formats, including coins, change fairly often. People who make vending machines are responsible for making their machines work with whatever the current cash standard is. They barely work with anything other than pristine direct-from-the-presses cash anyways. I have no sympathy for their machines suddenly not working, and besides, the reason for the change is to protect them from fraud. There's no cashier to accept money for a vending machine so I suspect they get a lot of counterfeits.
 
2012-11-18 02:33:14 PM  

sno man: The new 5's and 10's are coming next year, the 100 and the 50 have been out a while, no one should have been surprised these were coming. They should have been sorting this out when the new 100 first came out nearly two years ago.
They are still sorting out the new loonies and twonies weighing less too.


Yeah, and there was plenty of warning about the change in the metal content of the loonie and toonie coins introduced at the beginning of the year, and yet vending machine operators seemed to be totally unaware.
I expect the same story when the new $10 and new $5 bill are introduced in 2013.
 
2012-11-18 02:33:19 PM  

starsrift: What's not mentioned is that the new weights of loonies and twoonies do ALSO not work in ticket and vending machines.

 

English motherf*****, do you speak it?
 
2012-11-18 05:30:52 PM  
Dwight_Yeast : Yeah, but we can't even think about switching to polymer bills

How am I supposed to launder and hot press polymer bills?
 
2012-11-18 05:44:23 PM  

StrikitRich: Vending machines that take $20s? Are these in casinos?


Airports.

But in general, Canadians don't put twenties in vending machines. We're not Japan.

We aren't buying used panties, iPods, fresh shirts, gold bullion, or sushi from vending machines. We could, but we don't.

It might be a good way of cleaning the Twonies out of your pockets.

I habitually carry about $12-$16 in change. Up to six Twonies, four loonies, six quarters, a few dimes and nickels, and six pennies. It's a lot of weight but I find it is about the right "float" for day-to-day needs such as coffee, loonies for panhandlers, small items and the occasional meal. A Twonie will buy roughly what tuppence would buy, a loonie is a big brass penny. The year may vary, but essentially these heavy coins are worth about the same as the heavy coins of the past.

It must be some sort of psychological deal. We equate the weight to the value. A good thing we're not as literal as Romans were. They had a copper coin that weighed one pound. It was a paper-weight. Of course, it would be worth whatever a pound of copper costs now.

Be right back.

Scrap copper, $3.46 per pound.

Even a looney looks good by comparison.
 
2012-11-18 05:52:15 PM  
I got the brand new Twenties from the machine yesterday. They are smooth and crisp. They have see-through windows and holograms and God only knows what else in the way of security devices built in.

They could be recording you fingerprints for all I know. There might be a camera built into the Queen's portrait, which is a very realistic photograph-based hologram. She winks at you. Just kidding, but she could if she wanted to.

They have a picture of the Vimy Ridge War Memorial which looks sort of like the World Trade Center Towers. Start your conspiracy engines, ladies and gentlemen. They also have poppies. The Steven Harper Government of Canada (New and Improved?) is really pushing the military angle in everything they do or say.

Bugger off, I say! We don't need to be reminded of war every time a coin clanks or a bill rustles.

How about putting some scientists on the bills, like Switzerland? We don't have a lot of old greats, but we have a few--we could put Banting and Best on the Fifty or something. Dr. Norman Bethune and his Commie Chinese peasants could grace the $100, which could be Commie Red (it's more of a pink or orange-pink now, I believe, although I haven't seen one in years).
 
2012-11-18 06:05:04 PM  
brantgoose: I habitually carry about $12-$16 in change.

And this is why you'll pry dollar bills out of my cold dead hands.

$1 us bill = 1 gram (so $12 = 12 grams).

1 loonie (2012) = 6.27 grams, so 12 loonies = 75.24 grams.

// a US dollar coin is 8 grams, there are about 454 grams to a pound, so when smuggling small currency you can take ~$454 per pound in $1 bills, or ~$57 in $1 coins.
 
2012-11-18 07:42:26 PM  

brantgoose: I got the brand new Twenties from the machine yesterday. They are smooth and crisp. They have see-through windows and holograms and God only knows what else in the way of security devices built in.

They could be recording you fingerprints for all I know. There might be a camera built into the Queen's portrait, which is a very realistic photograph-based hologram. She winks at you. Just kidding, but she could if she wanted to.

They have a picture of the Vimy Ridge War Memorial which looks sort of like the World Trade Center Towers. Start your conspiracy engines, ladies and gentlemen. They also have poppies. The Steven Harper Government of Canada (New and Improved?) is really pushing the military angle in everything they do or say.

Bugger off, I say! We don't need to be reminded of war every time a coin clanks or a bill rustles.

How about putting some scientists on the bills, like Switzerland? We don't have a lot of old greats, but we have a few--we could put Banting and Best on the Fifty or something. Dr. Norman Bethune and his Commie Chinese peasants could grace the $100, which could be Commie Red (it's more of a pink or orange-pink now, I believe, although I haven't seen one in years).


You don't look at your money much. Canadian money has had science themes before and putting the Vimy memorial, veterans, and poppies is honouring our history as much as the sacrifices that hundreds of thousands of Canadians (not counting you of course, you hate that stuff) have made.


Canadian money has had more themes than any other country I am aware of. Hell, we are so good at it that we make a bunch of other countries' money, both paper and coin.
 
2012-11-18 07:55:31 PM  

brantgoose: I got the brand new Twenties from the machine yesterday. They are smooth and crisp. They have see-through windows and holograms and God only knows what else in the way of security devices built in.

They could be recording you fingerprints for all I know. There might be a camera built into the Queen's portrait, which is a very realistic photograph-based hologram. She winks at you. Just kidding, but she could if she wanted to.

They have a picture of the Vimy Ridge War Memorial which looks sort of like the World Trade Center Towers. Start your conspiracy engines, ladies and gentlemen. They also have poppies. The Steven Harper Government of Canada (New and Improved?) is really pushing the military angle in everything they do or say.

Bugger off, I say! We don't need to be reminded of war every time a coin clanks or a bill rustles.

How about putting some scientists on the bills, like Switzerland? We don't have a lot of old greats, but we have a few--we could put Banting and Best on the Fifty or something. Dr. Norman Bethune and his Commie Chinese peasants could grace the $100, which could be Commie Red (it's more of a pink or orange-pink now, I believe, although I haven't seen one in years).


Only morons would look at the Vimy Ridge Memorial on the new $20 bill and think of the Twin Towers.
 
2012-11-18 08:10:54 PM  

brantgoose: I got the brand new Twenties from the machine yesterday. They are smooth and crisp. They have see-through windows and holograms and God only knows what else in the way of security devices built in.

They could be recording you fingerprints for all I know. There might be a camera built into the Queen's portrait, which is a very realistic photograph-based hologram. She winks at you. Just kidding, but she could if she wanted to.

They have a picture of the Vimy Ridge War Memorial which looks sort of like the World Trade Center Towers. Start your conspiracy engines, ladies and gentlemen. They also have poppies. The Steven Harper Government of Canada (New and Improved?) is really pushing the military angle in everything they do or say.

Bugger off, I say! We don't need to be reminded of war every time a coin clanks or a bill rustles.

How about putting some scientists on the bills, like Switzerland? We don't have a lot of old greats, but we have a few--we could put Banting and Best on the Fifty or something. Dr. Norman Bethune and his Commie Chinese peasants could grace the $100, which could be Commie Red (it's more of a pink or orange-pink now, I believe, although I haven't seen one in years).


Guess you don't see many of these...

cdn.bikyamasr.com
 
2012-11-18 08:47:35 PM  

WordsnCollision: They don't handle heat well either.

[nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com image 620x300]

/Not really a problem, being Canada and all


Yeah, they should totally go back to paper which handles heat like a champ.
 
2012-11-18 09:31:40 PM  

Russ1642: Cash formats, including coins, change fairly often. People who make vending machines are responsible for making their machines work with whatever the current cash standard is. They barely work with anything other than pristine direct-from-the-presses cash anyways. I have no sympathy for their machines suddenly not working, and besides, the reason for the change is to protect them from fraud. There's no cashier to accept money for a vending machine so I suspect they get a lot of counterfeits.


15 years ago, my cousin's friend xeroxed some $1s and used them in his high school's pop machines. Worked just fine. A few days later, the machines were out of service, and there was a very high-minded "counterfeiting is wrong" speech over the PA. A few days later, the machines were working again, and the kid did exactly the same thing again.

/I assume it was just a bad machine, like the one video game I found in college that took Canadian quarters.
 
2012-11-18 09:41:19 PM  
iStig: Yeah, they should totally go back to paper which handles heat like a champ.

Paper money is made from cotton, which actually does handle heat like a champ (the autoignition temperature is 765 degrees F).

You can iron paper money to give it that crisp new feeling.

// heat and open flame are not equivalent

// chem nerd
 
2012-11-18 09:45:43 PM  

brantgoose: Government of Canada (New and Improved?) is really pushing the military angle in everything they do or say.

Bugger off, I say! We don't need to be reminded of war every time a coin clanks or a bill rustles.

How about putting some scientists on the bills, like Switzerland? We don't have a lot of old greats, but we have a few--we could put Banting and Best on the Fifty or something. Dr. Norman Bethune and his Commie Chinese peasants could grace the $100, which could be Commie Red (it's more of a pink or orange-pink now, I believe, although I haven't seen one in years).


Let's see the new series:
$5 - Canadarm
$10 - A train
$20 - Vimy memorial
$50 - Icebreaker and research vessel
$100- Science stuff (including a bottle of insulin)

The 2001 series commissioned by the Liberal government also had a bill with a war memorial on it (the $10).

No current coins involve the military. There have been several commemorative coins issued related to the military but very few compared to the total of 48:
The HMS Shannon Toonie recently released for the 100th anniversary of the War of 1812
The 2010 Navy Centennial Loonie.
The Quarter has had Remembrance Day designs in 2004, 2005, 2008, 2011)
The Victory Nickle that was minted during WWII (1943-1945) had a commemorative issue in 2005.

Even just looking at since the Tories took office, there have been far more that had nothing to do with the military than did and aside from the quarter (something started by the Liberals) two were 100th anniversaries of events and one the 60th.
 
2012-11-18 09:52:43 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: I assume it was just a bad machine, like the one video game I found in college that took Canadian quarters.


CSB:
I forget the coin, (this is about 30 years ago) but the video game/pinball place nearest my high school used tokens, basically the same size but a little heavier than a quarter, and non magnetic, well the whatever coin from Portugal or Spain or whatever was the same size, weight and also non magnetic and was about 12 cents at the exchange rate at the time. They very quickly became hard to find at all the foreign exchange places.
 
2012-11-18 10:03:00 PM  
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"Shoulda cloned twenties. Jackson wouldn't have given a shiat."
 
2012-11-18 10:03:11 PM  

sno man: JohnAnnArbor: I assume it was just a bad machine, like the one video game I found in college that took Canadian quarters.

CSB:
I forget the coin, (this is about 30 years ago) but the video game/pinball place nearest my high school used tokens, basically the same size but a little heavier than a quarter, and non magnetic, well the whatever coin from Portugal or Spain or whatever was the same size, weight and also non magnetic and was about 12 cents at the exchange rate at the time. They very quickly became hard to find at all the foreign exchange places.


I heard something similar with French 1-franc coins and US quarters. Looks like they were about the same size and weight, and since the US $ was quite strong in the 1980s at a few points (almost ten francs, I think), I bet a few people got them for pay phones (remember those?).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_(United_States_coin)
http://silveragecoins.com/en/details.php?item=1497
 
2012-11-18 10:40:45 PM  
The old French 1 Franc coin (as well as the 1/2 Franc and 2 Franc coins) are pure nickel.

American quarters are 75/25 Copper/Nickel.

But the Korean 100 Won coin is exactly the same size / composition as the US quarter.

Why yes, I have a coin problem, why do you ask?
 
2012-11-18 11:34:55 PM  

flaminio: If you have trouble distinguishing dollar coins from quarters, how do you deal with dimes and pennies? After all, they're almost the same size. Except they're a different color (like dollars and quarters), have different edges (like dollars and quarters), are of different weight (like dollars and quarters), and have different designs (like dollars and quarters). Otherwise, they're identical.


Stupid or trolling?

DImes and pennies have different diameters and different thicknesses, and are easy to tell apart even if you're blind )or if you've got your hand in your pocket and you're fishing them out). US dollar coins are EXACTLY the same size as our quarters, which makes it very hard to distinguish the two, especially if you're blind.

There is absolutely no reason the dollar coin should be the same size as the quarter, except that the vending machine lobby have demanded it. It's idiotic, and you'll find no other world currency where two important coins of different value are of the same size.

/tried of trolls
//and idiots.
 
2012-11-18 11:38:36 PM  

Mad Canadian: The old French 1 Franc coin (as well as the 1/2 Franc and 2 Franc coins) are pure nickel.

American quarters are 75/25 Copper/Nickel.

But the Korean 100 Won coin is exactly the same size / composition as the US quarter.

Why yes, I have a coin problem, why do you ask?


Pure nickel means magnetic, so the francs wouldn't work in American vending machines. I was incorrectly informed.
 
2012-11-18 11:41:47 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: flaminio: If you have trouble distinguishing dollar coins from quarters, how do you deal with dimes and pennies? After all, they're almost the same size. Except they're a different color (like dollars and quarters), have different edges (like dollars and quarters), are of different weight (like dollars and quarters), and have different designs (like dollars and quarters). Otherwise, they're identical.

Stupid or trolling?

DImes and pennies have different diameters and different thicknesses, and are easy to tell apart even if you're blind )or if you've got your hand in your pocket and you're fishing them out). US dollar coins are EXACTLY the same size as our quarters, which makes it very hard to distinguish the two, especially if you're blind.

There is absolutely no reason the dollar coin should be the same size as the quarter, except that the vending machine lobby have demanded it. It's idiotic, and you'll find no other world currency where two important coins of different value are of the same size.

/tried of trolls
//and idiots.


Quarter: 24.26 mm
Dollar: 26.5 mm

I carry both all the time (dollar coins work in Ann Arbor parking meters). Smooth edge on dollars and the admittedly slight difference in size mean they can be distinguished by touch.
 
2012-11-19 12:03:42 AM  

brantgoose: I got the brand new Twenties from the machine yesterday. They are smooth and crisp. They have see-through windows and holograms and God only knows what else in the way of security devices built in.

They could be recording you fingerprints for all I know. There might be a camera built into the Queen's portrait, which is a very realistic photograph-based hologram. She winks at you. Just kidding, but she could if she wanted to.

They have a picture of the Vimy Ridge War Memorial which looks sort of like the World Trade Center Towers. Start your conspiracy engines, ladies and gentlemen. They also have poppies. The Steven Harper Government of Canada (New and Improved?) is really pushing the military angle in everything they do or say.

Bugger off, I say! We don't need to be reminded of war every time a coin clanks or a bill rustles.

How about putting some scientists on the bills, like Switzerland? We don't have a lot of old greats, but we have a few--we could put Banting and Best on the Fifty or something. Dr. Norman Bethune and his Commie Chinese peasants could grace the $100, which could be Commie Red (it's more of a pink or orange-pink now, I believe, although I haven't seen one in years).


Yeah you're a moron. You hate the Vimy memorial you are a bad person. Period.
 
2012-11-19 03:58:01 AM  

Martonio: starsrift: What's not mentioned is that the new weights of loonies and twoonies do ALSO not work in ticket and vending machines. 

English motherf*****, do you speak it?


Which words do you not understand? I mean, there are online dictionaries, but I can explain for you.
 
2012-11-19 06:55:30 AM  
i am having the same trouble with the new toonies.
alot of vending machines just dont accept them.
 
2012-11-19 11:42:32 AM  
Wow, Brantgoose, my compliments on getting so many bites with that bait!
 
2012-11-19 02:34:04 PM  

lordargent: brantgoose: I habitually carry about $12-$16 in change.

And this is why you'll pry dollar bills out of my cold dead hands.

$1 us bill = 1 gram (so $12 = 12 grams).

1 loonie (2012) = 6.27 grams, so 12 loonies = 75.24 grams.

// a US dollar coin is 8 grams, there are about 454 grams to a pound, so when smuggling small currency you can take ~$454 per pound in $1 bills, or ~$57 in $1 coins.


Don't sweat it. The US is so far behind in currency/banking, it'll be years before this becomes a concern for you.

Still makes me smile when I have to actually sign things for my credit card when I'm down there.
 
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