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(Daily Mail)   Cute California couple go to Ghana to adopt four children, get put in jail, accused of child trafficking. Awkward   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 119
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2012-11-18 01:01:41 AM
Huh. So Facebook IS good for something!
 
2012-11-18 01:35:20 AM
How much were they going to sell them for?
 
2012-11-18 06:55:51 AM
That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.
 
2012-11-18 06:56:34 AM
LOL

African countries: how do they work?
 
2012-11-18 07:02:27 AM
So, California is all out of orphans or state-cases under the age of 18? Wow, they really are progressive over there.
 
2012-11-18 07:03:03 AM

Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.


I was going to say something similar, but then I saw the kids faces. Somebody has to get lucky, why not them?
 
2012-11-18 07:06:28 AM
Slavery is outlawed... why they starting again?
 
2012-11-18 07:07:30 AM
They forgot to bribe every official involved in the transaction. :(
 
2012-11-18 07:09:36 AM
Odd they are actually cute. I was expecting something out of Deliverance.
 
2012-11-18 07:10:21 AM

Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.


It's generally a huge PITA to adopt in the US. It's faster, easier, and less expensive to adopt kids from halfway around the planet.
 
2012-11-18 07:10:26 AM
I guess the now have: Ghanarrhea
 
2012-11-18 07:10:32 AM

Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.


It's a lot more expensive and takes a lot more time, which is why people adopt children from out of the country. It takes A LOT of patience to adopt domestically.

I agree that more people should adopt domestically, but I understand why they don't. It's something that we should probably work to change.
 
2012-11-18 07:11:07 AM
Dick move to approve it and then arrest them for it, but on the other hand the whole "selling your country's children to rich Americans" think is shady as hell to begin with, so I can't say that their shady deal ending up being shady is really something that they couldn't have anticipated well in advance.
 
2012-11-18 07:12:05 AM
The comments annoyed me. "Why not adopt American?" Well, at least HERE, they have electricity, running water, etc. I imagine those kids were worse off.
 
2012-11-18 07:19:24 AM

Jim_Callahan: the whole "selling your country's children to rich Americans" think is shady as hell to begin with


Hey, the country was drunk one night and forgot to use protection. But Ghana can't afford kids right now, it figured adoption was best. Don't judge, man, everyone makes mistakes.
 
2012-11-18 07:19:29 AM
Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.

lh3.googleusercontent.com

Domestic wretches don't explode.
 
2012-11-18 07:23:47 AM

gadian: So, California is all out of orphans or state-cases under the age of 18? Wow, they really are progressive over there.


I don't know what the answer is but, domestic adoptions of infants take a minimum of one to two years. It can take even longer if you want is known as a closed adoption (birth parent information is sealed). However, I have seen varying situations from many couples in my church who have chosen to adopt. One family I know adopted a special needs Katrina child. It took several months but the waiting period (and the expense) was considerably less.  Another couple I know is still in the process of adopting a child who was almost murdered by the childs biological "mother". The "mother" is in prison and the adoption process is now going on 2 years.  I'm guessing alot of the red-tape we hear about depends on the biological parent. But, this is only a guess.
 
2012-11-18 07:32:38 AM
Good for THEM!
 
2012-11-18 07:35:08 AM

Errk: How much were they going to sell them for?


Well hamburger sells for about $3 a pound and processing runs about a dollar a pound so maybe $10 a pound?
 
2012-11-18 07:35:11 AM
Something about International adoption rubs me wrong. These tend to be people who can't adopt in the USA (Because they are creepy or have valid issues that causes them not to be picked by pregnant woman considering adoption) or they are coupled who are so threatened by the idea of their child's birth family ever finding them that they want an ocean in between to protect them or then there are the do-gooders who think they are doing a favor to these children by taking them away from their home country.

I really think International Adoption has a lot of negatives for some of the kids adopted. My heart goes out to good parents who can't have a bio-child but domestic adoption is complex & full of paperwork to protect the child from those bad eggs out there who should not be trusted with kids.

Oh & I know tons of good parents who adopted locally in my area. There is no domestic shortage of kids who need a loving family! The only "shortage" is of healthy, white newborns from healthy, smart white moms.
 
2012-11-18 07:44:02 AM

Roukzeptea23: Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.

It's a lot more expensive and takes a lot more time, which is why people adopt children from out of the country. It takes A LOT of patience to adopt domestically.

I agree that more people should adopt domestically, but I understand why they don't. It's something that we should probably work to change.


Last guy worked for (guy had more than a few million in the bank)...him and his wife had a hell of a time trying to adopt domestically. Multiple, upon multiple home visits...he said he felt like he was getting interrogated again for all his clearances...

So after a couple thousand dollars into it, they canceled their application, hooked up with the missions trips folk at their church, and over the course of about 2 weeks, went to Russia, found an adoption agency, dropped some cash then headed home with a new baby girl. That happened to him was about 12 years ago, so I do not know if things have changed...but he said overall the experience in the US was horrible, and the Russians were nice as can be
 
2012-11-18 07:44:14 AM
They were clearly adopting from Africa in hopes of getting a future NBA star.
 
2012-11-18 07:47:29 AM

free_waffles: They were clearly adopting from Africa in hopes of getting a future NBA star.


Or marathon runner
 
2012-11-18 07:49:04 AM
Fark websites with autoplaying videos, particularly when they hide the video off of the initial screen and you have to go hunting for it to turn it off.
 
2012-11-18 07:51:11 AM
'In a country where I had no idea what I'm doing there.'

wut?

/I don't even..
 
2012-11-18 08:00:03 AM
One more reason to buy American!
 
2012-11-18 08:00:55 AM
I came in also to say something like "Buy American" but then I read the comments. I see why waiting two years for an adoption to go through is too much of a burden. But I guess making sure that the birth parents agree fully without reservations is a good thing. I hate to think what suffering there is from a Ghana mama who had her child removed by some greedy bastard.

So we got to work on the length it takes for domestic adoption. 2 years is way too long and is not fair to the child. A lot of development, physical, mental and intellectually occur in that time.

Besides, when you shop for a puppy you want a puppy, not an adolescent.
 
2012-11-18 08:08:23 AM

Orange-Pippin: I don't know what the answer is but, domestic adoptions of infants take a minimum of one to two years. It can take even longer if you want is known as a closed adoption (birth parent information is sealed). However, I have seen varying situations from many couples in my church who have chosen to adopt. One family I know adopted a special needs Katrina child. It took several months but the waiting period (and the expense) was considerably less. Another couple I know is still in the process of adopting a child who was almost murdered by the childs biological "mother". The "mother" is in prison and the adoption process is now going on 2 years. I'm guessing alot of the red-tape we hear about depends on the biological parent. But, this is only a guess.


Yes, when I think of child rearing I think of a "cheap" and "expedient" experience. The best parents are the least patient, after all.
 
2012-11-18 08:23:21 AM
So much for my turkduckafricken this Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-18 08:35:41 AM

Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.


This times eleventh. Let's get our own house in order first. A lot of these countries resent us for "stealing" their children like this and taking them away from their culture and home.
 
2012-11-18 08:42:07 AM

Endive Wombat: went to Russia, found an adoption agency, dropped some cash then headed home with a new baby girl. That happened to him was about 12 years ago, so I do not know if things have changed...but he said overall the experience in the US was horrible, and the Russians were nice as can be


Curse they were nice, what better way to plant a sleeper agent in America than to give a well meaning couple a baby? Then, the baby grows up and starts getting signals from Moscow via the chip implanted in its brain and does Putins bidding.
 
2012-11-18 08:43:08 AM

Endive Wombat: Roukzeptea23: Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.

It's a lot more expensive and takes a lot more time, which is why people adopt children from out of the country. It takes A LOT of patience to adopt domestically.

I agree that more people should adopt domestically, but I understand why they don't. It's something that we should probably work to change.

Last guy worked for (guy had more than a few million in the bank)...him and his wife had a hell of a time trying to adopt domestically. Multiple, upon multiple home visits...he said he felt like he was getting interrogated again for all his clearances...

So after a couple thousand dollars into it, they canceled their application, hooked up with the missions trips folk at their church, and over the course of about 2 weeks, went to Russia, found an adoption agency, dropped some cash then headed home with a new baby girl. That happened to him was about 12 years ago, so I do not know if things have changed...but he said overall the experience in the US was horrible, and the Russians were nice as can be


Sounds like the Americans were interested in making damn sure he was able to actually commit to safely raising a child (kids aren't puppies, you can't just drop them off at the SPA when they stop being cute) and the Russians were just interested in his money.
 
2012-11-18 08:45:24 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Sounds like the Americans were interested in making damn sure he was able to actually commit to safely raising a child (kids aren't puppies, you can't just drop them off at the SPA when they stop being cute) and the Russians were just interested in his money.


They had already raised 3 kids. I am not trying to make this guy and his family look like saints...but they are great parents.
 
2012-11-18 08:48:28 AM

The_Philosopher_King: I came in also to say something like "Buy American" but then I read the comments. I see why waiting two years for an adoption to go through is too much of a burden. But I guess making sure that the birth parents agree fully without reservations is a good thing. I hate to think what suffering there is from a Ghana mama who had her child removed by some greedy bastard.

So we got to work on the length it takes for domestic adoption. 2 years is way too long and is not fair to the child. A lot of development, physical, mental and intellectually occur in that time.

Besides, when you shop for a puppy you want a puppy, not an adolescent.


It didn't take two years to adopt. Birth parents sign surrenders and have a three day period to change their mind (at least in Florida) and that's it. Adopting from "the system" takes time...pretend get case plans and a chance to get their kids back, and if they don't voluntarily surrender then the state had to go through trials and appeals. What takes so long privately is waiting for a healthy "normal" baby. Google the "heart gallery." You could adopt any of those kids in less than a year if you were willing to go through the process, and since it's the state, you'd possibly get paid during the fostering process, and the child would likely get subsidies if they have any disabilities, and assistance with college costs in a lot of cases as well. But....they aren't perfect little babies.
 
2012-11-18 08:49:49 AM

KawaiiNot: Something about International adoption rubs me wrong. These tend to be people who can't adopt in the USA (Because they are creepy or have valid issues that causes them not to be picked by pregnant woman considering adoption) or they are coupled who are so threatened by the idea of their child's birth family ever finding them that they want an ocean in between to protect them or then there are the do-gooders who think they are doing a favor to these children by taking them away from their home country.

I really think International Adoption has a lot of negatives for some of the kids adopted. My heart goes out to good parents who can't have a bio-child but domestic adoption is complex & full of paperwork to protect the child from those bad eggs out there who should not be trusted with kids.

Oh & I know tons of good parents who adopted locally in my area. There is no domestic shortage of kids who need a loving family! The only "shortage" is of healthy, white newborns from healthy, smart white moms.


There are those who won't take the chance on getting a "white trash looking" kid and seek the status of an "obviously adopted" child.
 
2012-11-18 08:51:49 AM

Endive Wombat: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Sounds like the Americans were interested in making damn sure he was able to actually commit to safely raising a child (kids aren't puppies, you can't just drop them off at the SPA when they stop being cute) and the Russians were just interested in his money.

They had already raised 3 kids. I am not trying to make this guy and his family look like saints...but they are great parents.


Lots of great parents can't handle adoption (it can be an emotional roller coaster, especially if the kid ends up having any issues), and raising kids is not an automatic qualifier. Non biological children tend to be at higher risk of abuse, so adoption agencies and the state go out of there way to try to be damn sure there is NO sign of risk.
 
2012-11-18 08:55:29 AM
I would like to help that woman produce a few more babbies hereself.
 
2012-11-18 09:02:13 AM
In some places in the US there is a 1 year period where it isn't final. In other words, you can raise a kid for 11 months and have it yanked from your house.

The other big problem with infants is that a lot of them have big problems (addicted to narcotics/fetal alcohol syndrome) which can be dealt with, but it isn't always disclosed. My inlaws were given an infant with Mediterranean Anemia. It wasn't disclosed and it was diagnosed when he was about 20. It caused brain damage. If they knew about it they could have been treating him all along.
 
2012-11-18 09:02:48 AM
Damn, Angelina and Brad... can you give it a rest already?
 
2012-11-18 09:04:10 AM
It's not a charity. Adoption should not be seen as helping those "poor children"; it's a way for families who decide not to have, possibly additional, biological children. Mrs. Salts and I have a wonderful son who joined our family through domestic adoption. Our process took a year and a half mostly due to our laziness on filling out paperwork. Every adoption story is unique and like everything in life adoptive parent(s) will have obstacles to overcome.
 
2012-11-18 09:05:19 AM

Honest Bender: That's awesome that you have such a big heart and all... but there are PLENTY of domestic wretches that need a home, too.


But how will everyone know what great people you are if it looks like the kids might be biologically yours?
 
2012-11-18 09:05:40 AM

jtown: It's generally a huge PITA to adopt in the US. It's faster, easier, and less expensive to adopt kids from halfway around the planet.


Yeah, tell these folks that.

Endive Wombat: So after a couple thousand dollars into it, they canceled their application, hooked up with the missions trips folk at their church, and over the course of about 2 weeks, went to Russia, found an adoption agency, dropped some cash then headed home with a new baby girl. That happened to him was about 12 years ago, so I do not know if things have changed...but he said overall the experience in the US was horrible, and the Russians were nice as can be


All well and good, but the problem is that this funds additional child trafficking and the practice of having kids for money. Girls will get pregnant simply because they know they can get a cool $10k US for it (or whatever).
 
2012-11-18 09:15:29 AM
At least they didn't try Uganda:

"You are from California: you are both homosexuals, yess?"
 
2012-11-18 09:19:25 AM

Wodan11: jtown: It's generally a huge PITA to adopt in the US. It's faster, easier, and less expensive to adopt kids from halfway around the planet.

Yeah, tell these folks that.


Sounds to me like they got the kids and they're back home. Still probably ended up being less hassle than a US adoption.
 
2012-11-18 09:54:44 AM
Damn, them's some cute kids. I don't think I could handle six all at the same time, though. Those folks are braver than I am.
 
2012-11-18 10:07:50 AM

Wodan11: jtown: It's generally a huge PITA to adopt in the US. It's faster, easier, and less expensive to adopt kids from halfway around the planet.

Yeah, tell these folks that.

Endive Wombat: So after a couple thousand dollars into it, they canceled their application, hooked up with the missions trips folk at their church, and over the course of about 2 weeks, went to Russia, found an adoption agency, dropped some cash then headed home with a new baby girl. That happened to him was about 12 years ago, so I do not know if things have changed...but he said overall the experience in the US was horrible, and the Russians were nice as can be

All well and good, but the problem is that this funds additional child trafficking and the practice of having kids for money. Girls will get pregnant simply because they know they can get a cool $10k US for it (or whatever).


Also kidnapping, there are absolutely heartbreaking stories from mothers in China who have had their young children (usually sub-3 years old) kidnapped by either strangers or some they knew and sold to baby brokers. Most either end up being adopted by other Chinese couples or sold into international adoption agencies who don't care to check the kid's background since there is a lot of money to be made off of western couples wanting a Chinese baby/kid. This is not just a Chinese problem - lots of children in the international adoption system come kidnapped children. More countries are clamping down on international adoption or tightening their adoption standards due to past abuses or other factors. This is fueling the underground black market adoption since some people have their hearts set on a child from a specific country. Whether they mean to or not, waving a bunch of money around in a poor country with a corruption problems is going to create the perfect storm of less than ethical behavior in getting these parents the child they want. It is absolutely tragic that their are people in the western world that become parents at the expense of the biological parents going though the hell of losing a child and not know what happened to him/her or even if they are still alive.
 
2012-11-18 10:16:25 AM

Princess Celestia: The comments annoyed me. "Why not adopt American?" Well, at least HERE, they have electricity, running water, etc. I imagine those kids were worse off.


How many kids have you adopted?
 
2012-11-18 10:19:56 AM

KawaiiNot: Oh & I know tons of good parents who adopted locally in my area. There is no domestic shortage of kids who need a loving family! The only "shortage" is of healthy, white newborns from healthy, smart white moms.


This is exactly the reason. Nobody wants the "broken" ones, no matter how great their need may be.
 
2012-11-18 10:22:08 AM

stirfrybry: LOL

African countries: how do they work?


Same thing happened to a local couple near me... they went to Egypt and ended up spending almost two years locked up. US couldn't do more than that, considering they had been sentenced to something like 25 years. It was F'd up.
 
2012-11-18 10:23:10 AM

queen biatch of the universe: Wodan11: jtown: It's generally a huge PITA to adopt in the US. It's faster, easier, and less expensive to adopt kids from halfway around the planet.

Yeah, tell these folks that.

Endive Wombat: So after a couple thousand dollars into it, they canceled their application, hooked up with the missions trips folk at their church, and over the course of about 2 weeks, went to Russia, found an adoption agency, dropped some cash then headed home with a new baby girl. That happened to him was about 12 years ago, so I do not know if things have changed...but he said overall the experience in the US was horrible, and the Russians were nice as can be

All well and good, but the problem is that this funds additional child trafficking and the practice of having kids for money. Girls will get pregnant simply because they know they can get a cool $10k US for it (or whatever).

Also kidnapping, there are absolutely heartbreaking stories from mothers in China who have had their young children (usually sub-3 years old) kidnapped by either strangers or some they knew and sold to baby brokers. Most either end up being adopted by other Chinese couples or sold into international adoption agencies who don't care to check the kid's background since there is a lot of money to be made off of western couples wanting a Chinese baby/kid. This is not just a Chinese problem - lots of children in the international adoption system come kidnapped children. More countries are clamping down on international adoption or tightening their adoption standards due to past abuses or other factors. This is fueling the underground black market adoption since some people have their hearts set on a child from a specific country. Whether they mean to or not, waving a bunch of money around in a poor country with a corruption problems is going to create the perfect storm of less than ethical behavior in getting these parents the child they want. It is absolutely tragic that their are people in the western ...


But if you don't adopt the kid, then the kidnapper-brokers have an excess liability on their hands.
 
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