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2012-11-17 08:20:56 PM  
We need a Kurt Cobain documentary like Cobain needs another hole in his head.

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"Did you put that together yourself, Einstein? What, do you got a team of monkeys working around the clock on this?"
 
2012-11-17 08:32:57 PM  
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2012-11-17 08:40:59 PM  
Nirvana ends abruptly. The Goo Goo Dolls and Nickleback and Coldplay will never end.
 
2012-11-17 09:18:10 PM  
We need another Kurt Cobain greenlight like he needs another hole in the head, yet here we are.
 
2012-11-17 10:19:43 PM  

Silly Jesus: We need another Kurt Cobain greenlight like he needs another hole in the head, yet here we are.


Here we are now entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
/yeah
Cobain had a gift that is under appreciated.
 
2012-11-17 10:22:25 PM  
I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?
 
2012-11-17 10:28:54 PM  
Low hanging fruit subby.
 
2012-11-17 10:47:18 PM  
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2012-11-18 12:08:55 AM  
Starring Jon Eric-Hexum...
 
2012-11-18 12:23:16 AM  
The Kid Stays in the Picture is a damn good documentary -- one of my favorites. If that's the director, then I'm all in. After watching Cameron Crowe's excellent Pearl Jam Twenty, I was thinking that Nirvana deserved the same treatment, especially since the Pearl Jam doc barely mentioned them.

/documentary filmmaker
 
2012-11-18 12:25:34 AM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?



I think Cobain would probably be enjoying side projects, writing songs for other artists, producing other bands, and playing king-maker. That's assuming that he followed-through on his rumored plans to leave his wife, and also assuming that he would have done a better job kicking drugs to the curb than she has. He came across as a really cool guy, unlike Corgan, who seems like a whiny nerd.
 
2012-11-18 01:08:00 AM  
I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.
 
2012-11-18 01:56:25 AM  

vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.


How about a cousin?
 
2012-11-18 02:02:01 AM  

pissedoffmick: vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.

How about a cousin?


Or a cousin once removed?
 
2012-11-18 02:31:44 AM  
I'm getting old. They are marketing to my generation
 
2012-11-18 02:35:18 AM  
Well at this point it couldn't hurt now, could it?
 
2012-11-18 02:58:02 AM  

vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.


mental illness can take you there. things can get so bad suicide appears the better choice. if your medication is not right it makes things so much worse. madness takes it toll. i suspect many people with mental illness came from one or both parents also afflicted. i hope some day mentally ill people are sterilized young, before they reproduce, like it used to be. no one wants to be cray cray, or have the cray cray raising you. it pisses me off that mankind does not take responsibility with this, that we do not have medical professionals do what is ultimately best for society. speaking from personal experience.
 
2012-11-18 03:01:39 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Silly Jesus: We need another Kurt Cobain greenlight like he needs another hole in the head, yet here we are.

Here we are now entertain us
I feel stupid and contagious
/yeah
Cobain had a gift that is under appreciated.


Liturgical mimicry. It's exceedingly hard to nail down as an exact description, but Nirvana almost thrive on it. Also; no one ever gives Dave Grohl credit for implementing many "' 'Eavy Fu'in Meddle" drum aspects that gives the INCREDIBLY depressing lyrics that sense of impatience and rebellion...

now, Dave, with that said...

...WHERE'S OUR SECOND 'PROBOT' ALBUM?!
 
2012-11-18 03:02:52 AM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?


This is actually a good question. I think he would have drifted off into into the same area where J Mascis is at now.. Completely out of the lime light but still writing songs and just generally enjoying life actually at his own pace.

/love J Mascis
/No one makes a guitar spill sorrow like he does
 
2012-11-18 03:07:36 AM  

KrispyKritter: i hope some day mentally ill people are sterilized young, before they reproduce, like it used to be. no one wants to be cray cray, or have the cray cray raising you. it pisses me off that mankind does not take responsibility with this, that we do not have medical professionals do what is ultimately best for society. speaking from personal experience.


TROLL
 
2012-11-18 03:25:07 AM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?


You can say this about anyone in music that died young. I think Nirvana would be in the same place as their rival Pearl Jam is now. I also doubt Cobain would have ever done anything as terrible as Zwan.

I also think that Cobain dying was as bad for mainstream alternative rock as Tupac and Biggie dying was bad for mainstream hip hop. It's probably why indie rock and underground/alternative hip hop became so popular since the last decade.
 
Skr
2012-11-18 03:32:18 AM  
While I'll check it out, I really can't see it containing any new information that hasn't already been published. They'll really need to pull off a spectacular narrative to make this a worthwhile project.

On a side note, the recent "remastering" of Nevermind was terrible, little more than raising everything into compression to go along with the loudness wars.

Also in my opinion, I think Kurt would have settled into lighter music as he got into his 30's. Maybe not going full Ukelele like Vedder did, but something more melodic, down key, and blues influenced.

♥ Nirvana
 
2012-11-18 03:32:54 AM  
I bought the Cobain journal. The first page says 'don't read this', then 'read this and figure me out'.

Anxiety includes physical side effects. You're not just panicking, your body hurts. His was a stomach problem. And addiction is a nasty dance. I have both.

He had more to do. Painting (art student), music, writing. Too bad. Long live the memory. And a lot of people would like a good documentary.
 
2012-11-18 03:55:34 AM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?


It's kind of impossible to imagine for me. Having read Heavier Than Heaven... seems to me like suicide or overdose was pretty much inevitable for him. I mean, he wrote a song called "I hate myself and I want to die". He'd been documenting a want to commit suicide for years in his journals. And his heroin addiction was probably going to consume him at some point. Even if he hadn't committed suicide that one day... what on Earth was going to pull him out of that lifelong downward spiral?

It seems like Kurt was pretty much headed down that road for a long time. His suffering is sort of what made him captivating. It's just impossible for me to imagine a scenario where that guy ends up in his 40s clean and sober and making music.
 
2012-11-18 04:35:38 AM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?


I will probably get flamed for this, but I dont think the music has aged all that well. Some songs are still good, but never as good as we thought they were when it was actually breaking ground in the 90s. Would we have David Grohl's Foo Fighters in this current configuration who are rapidly rising to "U2" type levels of legendary status if Cobain was still around? Many have surmised that Nirvana's success was actually Grohl.

Personally, I think that if he didnt die, Nirvana would end up very much like Guns 'n Roses. Youd have an unhealthy/unhappy Cobain doing whatever he had to do to survive, and Grohl would be eeking out an existence a la Slash with the Foo Fighters as we know being a project or them never happening at all. What if Axel (or the whole band died) after Use Your Illusion 2? We would think of them as a mystical rock band from the 80s and not how we think of bloated Axel now with the joke that was Chinese Democracy and Slash wearing the same gotdam hat and haircut that he's had for 30 years.
If my uncle had a vagina, he'd be my aunt.

/see also:
Notorious BIG
Tupac
TLC
Alice N' Chains
Lynard Skynard
herion
 
2012-11-18 05:03:15 AM  

DemoKnite: Would we have David Grohl's Foo Fighters


Dude, the Foo Fighters suck, especially compared to Nirvana.
 
2012-11-18 05:06:09 AM  

DemoKnite: Notorious BIG
Tupac


So is Wu-Tang any less legendary because they all lived past the 90s? Sure ODB died, but that has nothing to do with their legacy and I fail to see how Tupac or Biggie would be downgraded if they lived. Are KRS-ONE, Nas, Jay Z, etc downgraded because they lived?
 
2012-11-18 05:10:38 AM  
Without discussing the merits of the dude's music... his life was just flat-out generic and uninteresting. Kind of like that boring-assed movie about the Doors. Honestly, most musicians haven't exactly lived lives worth writing home to mom about, the only remotely interesting "documentaries" are the ones that are entirely fabricated to a ridiculous degree, Hard Days Night style.
 
2012-11-18 05:39:22 AM  

vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.


Here's hoping you never have to be.

I'm glad that Courtney Love isn't going to be able to trade on that quite as much. Maybe she'll finally disappear into a rehab clinic for a while and figure out how not to be a walking cautionary tale.
 
2012-11-18 06:10:20 AM  
That's another way to become poster boy
 
2012-11-18 06:18:15 AM  
NIRVANA RECIPE:

STEAL FROM THE REPLACEMENTS + THE PIXIES + BOSTON + WHINE AND CRY ABOUT FAME + MARRY A DOG FACED JUNKIE = PROFIT

they still rollin on those two songs they had?

/thanks for Nickelback assholes!
//Bundt KoBland
 
2012-11-18 06:22:06 AM  
Need an Axl documentary.
 
2012-11-18 07:13:30 AM  

TheJoe03: DemoKnite: Would we have David Grohl's Foo Fighters

Dude, the Foo Fighters suck, especially compared to Nirvana.


Dude, did you hear "Wasting Light"?

//Hate Foo Fighters when they do wuss rock.
///Love Foo Fighters when they bring the sauce.
 
2012-11-18 07:40:35 AM  
We got a movie about The Doors and we didn't need that either.
 
2012-11-18 07:47:17 AM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?


Hopefully he wouldn't have become an enormously egotistical p.o.s. like Dave Grohl.
 
2012-11-18 10:02:53 AM  

downtownkid: GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?

Hopefully he wouldn't have become an enormously egotistical p.o.s. like Dave Grohl.


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2012-11-18 10:27:23 AM  
Only if it was directed by Il Duce
 
2012-11-18 10:31:04 AM  

styckx: downtownkid: GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?

Hopefully he wouldn't have become an enormously egotistical p.o.s. like Dave Grohl.

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Perhaps you aren't terribly bright, so try to read slowly: "Dave Grohl has a big ego" is a statement of opinion. No citation is available, as it is not an established fact. You still with me, or would a picture help?
 
2012-11-18 10:39:06 AM  

TheJoe03: You can say this about anyone in music that died young. I think Nirvana would be in the same place as their rival Pearl Jam is now.


I agree, mostly.

As Eddie grew and matured so did PJ. Even original songs like Alive, in concert, have gone from being depressing "why me" to almost life affirming, "I'm still here, biatches." both in the way they're played, but also by the fans as they sing along (if you ever go to a PJ show, it's one giant sing along)

I think Nirvana could have done something similar if Kurt had managed to stay clean and come to terms with his life, his fame, and kicked Courtney to the curb.

Where I disagree though... PJ and Nirvana were never rivals. Both Cobain and Vedder had a healthy respect for one another and each others work. The "Rivalry" was driven completely by Rock journalists who couldn't adequately compare and contrast the two bands or their similar but different fan bases, so they decided they should be pit against each other based on one dismissive comment Cobain made about PJ. The fans then took the bait and picked sides.
 
2012-11-18 12:01:59 PM  
Last Days was all the Cobain documentary I needed.
 
2012-11-18 12:56:47 PM  

vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.


Looks like you need a pop quiz about diacetylmorphine.
 
2012-11-18 03:42:31 PM  
Nirvana is as musically interesting as nail clippings.
 
2012-11-18 04:39:45 PM  

Skr: While I'll check it out, I really can't see it containing any new information that hasn't already been published. They'll really need to pull off a spectacular narrative to make this a worthwhile project.

On a side note, the recent "remastering" of Nevermind was terrible, little more than raising everything into compression to go along with the loudness wars.

Also in my opinion, I think Kurt would have settled into lighter music as he got into his 30's. Maybe not going full Ukelele like Vedder did, but something more melodic, down key, and blues influenced.

♥ Nirvana


Mellowed in his 30's? Eddie is almost 50.
 
Skr
2012-11-18 07:15:35 PM  

stappawho:

Mellowed in his 30's? Eddie is almost 50.


Didn't mean to imply Vedder was that young, albeit "I am Mine" was done in his thirties and seemed more light and poppish than previous works.
 
2012-11-18 08:27:27 PM  

GreenAdder: I wonder if people would still idolize Cobain if he was on the wrong side of 40 with the same routine. Would he wind up reviled like Corgan, or inexplicably revered like Graffin?


I think if he could've avoided trying to replicate previous successes Nirvana could've put out a lot more great music. For me, their albums were all really frenetic. Then came Unplugged in NY. Granted a lot of the songs weren't Nirvana, but the mood of that album really embodied what Kurt came to be known for.

The evolution of their music could've been a really great thing as he matured, calmed down and came to terms with his brokenness for the sake of his daughter.

Or it could've been complete ass as he turned into a joke of his former self trying to play Heart Shaped Box in 2010 for a bunch of parents who found sitters for the evening and wanted to pretend they were still cool. Who knows. I just wish there were more Unplugged in NY albums. His voice really captured the tortured and broken psyche thing for me.
 
2012-11-18 08:40:47 PM  
Justin Bieber was born on March 1, 1994.

Kurt Cobain killed himself on April 5, 1994.

He knew, man! HE KNEW!!!
 
2012-11-18 08:46:54 PM  

vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.


Except the evidence indicates it wasn't suicide.
 
2012-11-19 12:11:19 AM  

vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.


Psychosis could make you want to end it all.

Imagine if you heard and saw things that were not really there. Voices, apparitions, sirens, knocks, laughter, crying, screaming. Voices telling you that you're worthless, telling you to harm yourself or someone else.

The logical, sane part of you knows it's all in your mind, but it's so realistic you cannot be sure what is real and what's an hallucination. You actually feel haunted and wonder whether you are being targeted by supernatural entities.

I experienced this once when my dosage of Effexor XR (anti-depressant) was raised well above the recommended maximum by my fool of a doctor.

For me it was temporary - soon after the medication was discontinued the hallucinations stopped. But for some people who are suffering a psychotic illness it's not temporary. Although I have read it can be controlled with medication, assuming you are insured or otherwise able to purchase it.
 
2012-11-19 03:59:41 AM  

KrispyKritter: vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.

mental illness can take you there. things can get so bad suicide appears the better choice. if your medication is not right it makes things so much worse. madness takes it toll. i suspect many people with mental illness came from one or both parents also afflicted. i hope some day mentally ill people are sterilized young, before they reproduce, like it used to be. no one wants to be cray cray, or have the cray cray raising you. it pisses me off that mankind does not take responsibility with this, that we do not have medical professionals do what is ultimately best for society. speaking from personal experience.


You know who else was for forced sterilization?

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel
 
2012-11-19 06:52:49 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: vernonFL: I can't ever imagine thinking that life is so miserable that suicide is the best way to go. And I can't imagine being a father or mother or wife or child of a man so troubled.

Except the evidence indicates it wasn't suicide.


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