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(Daily Mail)   Bad news Scotty: Star Trek-style 'warp drive' systems could turn spacecraft into Death Stars which destroy planets on arrival   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 78
    More: Repeat, Star Trek, planets, Miguel Alcubierre, warp speed, warps, speed of light, Death Star, David Geffen  
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2012-11-17 02:06:00 PM  
Ok, so what's the bad news?
 
2012-11-17 02:10:50 PM  
Maybe just point it a little to the side of the planet when entering the coordinates. Space is surprisingly full of nothing in most places.

How 'bout that?
 
2012-11-17 02:13:31 PM  
Still waiting on that bad news, subby.
 
2012-11-17 02:18:48 PM  
You would prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system!
 
2012-11-17 02:27:25 PM  
I'm givin' at all I've got!
 
2012-11-17 02:48:26 PM  
"Cap'n, I canna hold this ridiculous accent much longer!"
 
2012-11-17 02:50:43 PM  

bingethinker: "Cap'n, I canna hold this ridiculous accent much longer!"


NOBODY CANNA CROSS IT
 
2012-11-17 02:58:18 PM  
If it's directional just enter the planetary system pointed away from the planet you wish to visit. If it's omnidirectional make sure there's something large in-between your spaceship and the target planet to protect it (i.e. come out of warp on the other side of the sun).
 
2012-11-17 03:08:33 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: bingethinker: "Cap'n, I canna hold this ridiculous accent much longer!"

NOBODY CANNA CROSS IT


That's beautiful!
 
2012-11-17 03:11:39 PM  
I don't recall "Star Trek" style warp drives having that effect.
 
2012-11-17 03:17:43 PM  
Who says you have to land on the spot that you are going to? Just park it out in space somewhere and use the less than warp engines to navigate to the nearest Class M planet
 
2012-11-17 03:36:23 PM  
The arrival effect of Alcubierre drives when they collapse their warp field has been known for like 3 years now.

Way to stay on top of things Daily Fail.
 
2012-11-17 03:40:56 PM  

Friskya: I don't recall "Star Trek" style warp drives having that effect.


They just ripped the fabric of space-time

/much different
 
2012-11-17 03:52:12 PM  
First invent a working Star Trek-tyop warp drive. Then see if it destroys a planet on arrival.

Typical luddites. Always biatchin' about technology wrecking things before they actually do.
 
2012-11-17 03:54:59 PM  

FloydA: That's beautiful!


I'm having trouble preventing myself from watching that, actually.

:-/
 
2012-11-17 04:10:05 PM  
"We gotta build a million of them!"

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2012-11-17 04:10:49 PM  
So just 3D print a new planet on arrival? Duh?
 
2012-11-17 04:14:39 PM  
Well, if the aliens that visit this planet found a way to do it, so can we.
 
2012-11-17 04:15:51 PM  
Sheesh, you just don't come out of hyperspace too close the planet. David Niven pointed that out what, a thousand years from now?
 
2012-11-17 04:17:18 PM  

Stone Meadow: Sheesh, you just don't come out of hyperspace too close the planet. David Niven pointed that out what, a thousand years from now?


HE WAS AS CLUMSY AS HE WAS STUPID
 
2012-11-17 04:22:03 PM  
A. OFN
B. The people that make this claim don't understand warp theory. The ship isn't traveling anywhere.
 
2012-11-17 04:28:09 PM  

President Merkin Muffley: A. OFN
B. The people that make this claim don't understand warp theory. The ship isn't traveling anywhere.


So, foldspace from Dune?
 
2012-11-17 04:30:27 PM  
Don't the Star Trek rules of their fiction mention that engaging warp drive too close to a planet results in lots of bad things happening?

...only have a passing knowledge of Star Trek, not up on all the details
 
2012-11-17 04:31:28 PM  
That's why you're not supposed to go into warp while in a solar system. Too much risk.
 
2012-11-17 04:33:10 PM  

StopLurkListen: Don't the Star Trek rules of their fiction mention that engaging warp drive too close to a planet results in lots of bad things happening?

...only have a passing knowledge of Star Trek, not up on all the details


The rules in Star Trek regarding warp drive seem to be pretty flexible. Galaxy Quest seems closer to what's possible.
 
2012-11-17 04:35:42 PM  
It's a shame we couldn't capture and store that energy. Make sure all our flashlight batteries are charged before we exterminate establish contact with the indigenous life forms of faraway worlds.
 
2012-11-17 04:36:14 PM  

simplicimus: President Merkin Muffley: A. OFN
B. The people that make this claim don't understand warp theory. The ship isn't traveling anywhere.

So, foldspace from Dune?


The Alcubierre Drive means the space surrounding the ship technically isn't in motion. It's creating a bubble of space that moves faster than light outside of the bubble surrounding the ship and it rides on that. The energy released when that bubble is collapsed and space returns to normal is responsible for the radiation hell that kills off whoever is waiting for you.
 
2012-11-17 04:46:42 PM  
Now we have an ultimate weapon against the Romulans and Cardassians.

Given a ship with both Warp and Impulse drive, and that Impulse is as close to light speed as you can get without actual warp drive, just get close and then go to impulse the rest of the way?

/so I guess warp drive is just impulse in warped space?
 
2012-11-17 04:52:10 PM  
Jumping through space isn't like dusting crops!
 
2012-11-17 04:54:45 PM  
Great, we've discovered warp drive for Republicans.
 
2012-11-17 04:56:22 PM  

whither_apophis: Jumping through space isn't like dusting crops!


boy!

FTFY.
 
2012-11-17 05:29:49 PM  

FloydA: You would prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system!


brilliant!
 
2012-11-17 05:33:54 PM  
Screw warp, my peeps travel in style.

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www.scifiideas.com 

2.bp.blogspot.com

Wormholes are where its at.
 
2012-11-17 05:42:33 PM  
Wouldn't the insuing explosion destroy said ship anyway? Therefore, why bother unless there's a way around the explosion?
 
2012-11-17 05:43:25 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: bingethinker: "Cap'n, I canna hold this ridiculous accent much longer!"

NOBODY CANNA CROSS IT


WTF did I just watch?!
 
2012-11-17 05:48:22 PM  

GAT_00: The arrival effect of Alcubierre drives when they collapse their warp field has been known for like 3 years now.

Way to stay on top of things Daily Fail.


Came here to say this. I learned this years ago from Michio Kaku.
 
2012-11-17 05:50:26 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: Wouldn't the insuing explosion destroy said ship anyway? Therefore, why bother unless there's a way around the explosion?


would make a pretty spiffy weapon

star trek would be over in the first episode with everybody blowing everything the fark uuuuuuuuuup
 
2012-11-17 05:53:39 PM  

Great Janitor: /so I guess warp drive is just impulse in warped space?


That's how I always figured it would work, but apparently the Alucard drive doesn't require any conventional velocity. The warp effect creates all the motion, and even if you could get a speed boost by running the impulse drive at the same time, it would probably be negligible.

Of course, it's an open question whether the Alsace-Lorraine drive is even physically possible and not just a mathematical oddity, so we may end up falling back on another kind of warp drive that requires impulse velocity to work.
 
2012-11-17 06:02:32 PM  
Sounds like a nice feature.
 
2012-11-17 06:05:08 PM  

Gonzee: WTF did I just watch?!


A news interview turned into THE GREATEST THING EVER

Also, a video suitable for a fisherman AND a fisherwoman.
 
2012-11-17 06:16:01 PM  

GAT_00: The arrival effect of Alcubierre drives when they collapse their warp field has been known for like 3 years now.

Way to stay on top of things Daily Fail.


I was trying to recall how long this has been known.

Also, it takes the entire power of the universe to charge up, I think.
 
2012-11-17 06:16:25 PM  

StopLurkListen: Don't the Star Trek rules of their fiction mention that engaging warp drive too close to a planet results in lots of bad things happening?

...only have a passing knowledge of Star Trek, not up on all the details


What may possibly be the worst episode of ST:TNG deals with a biatchy alien scientist who argues that warp drives are doing damage to the structure of the universe. She proves her thesis, and (thankfully) kills herself in the process. So, after that, the Federation imposed a speed limit of Warp Factor 4, which the Enterprise ignored at will, until they finally mentioned in passing that they'd gotten a new warp coil that didn't fark up the space-time continuum anymore.

Even the show's producers have admitted what a mistake that plotline was.
 
2012-11-17 06:17:42 PM  
So this vaporizing, it would be instantaneous? The whole planet would just ZAP! into tiny pieces? Without time for pain let alone panic?

Sounds great to me.
 
2012-11-17 06:18:06 PM  
depends on what technology you use.....
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2012-11-17 06:26:33 PM  

Fano: GAT_00: The arrival effect of Alcubierre drives when they collapse their warp field has been known for like 3 years now.

Way to stay on top of things Daily Fail.

I was trying to recall how long this has been known.

Also, it takes the entire power of the universe to charge up, I think.


More people have been working on the idea of the Alcubierre Drive. They now think it is actually possible to create the bubble. But yeah, the original formulas showed it to require nearly infinite energy.
 
2012-11-17 06:33:55 PM  

GAT_00: Fano: GAT_00: The arrival effect of Alcubierre drives when they collapse their warp field has been known for like 3 years now.

Way to stay on top of things Daily Fail.

I was trying to recall how long this has been known.

Also, it takes the entire power of the universe to charge up, I think.

More people have been working on the idea of the Alcubierre Drive. They now think it is actually possible to create the bubble. But yeah, the original formulas showed it to require nearly infinite energy.


I stand corrected after reading the article that it would only take the equivalent energy of blowing up Jupiter, which is a teensy bit better.
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However, the bubble can only be controlled by Princesses.

Or maybe Tarna.
 
2012-11-17 06:36:45 PM  

AdamK: Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: Wouldn't the insuing explosion destroy said ship anyway? Therefore, why bother unless there's a way around the explosion?

would make a pretty spiffy weapon

star trek would be over in the first episode with everybody blowing everything the fark uuuuuuuuuup


Aye, as a weapon it would be most impressive. Not so much a method of transportation.
 
2012-11-17 06:37:23 PM  

Fano: GAT_00: The arrival effect of Alcubierre drives when they collapse their warp field has been known for like 3 years now.

Way to stay on top of things Daily Fail.

I was trying to recall how long this has been known.

Also, it takes the entire power of the universe to charge up, I think.


Well, it's all theoretical at this point, so there's no experimental proof of any of these theories being correct. Yet.

Until recently, the estimate was that you'd need an equivalent "Jupiter" mass's worth of energy to warp space; more recently was someone who theorized a differently-shaped warp bubble resulting in much less energy - a "Voyager probe" mass's worth of energy.

There will be experiments soon on a tiny scale. Fascinating, probably a dead end, but yay science! Sometimes you get surprised.
 
2012-11-17 06:41:55 PM  

StopLurkListen: Don't the Star Trek rules of their fiction mention that engaging warp drive too close to a planet results in lots of bad things happening?

...only have a passing knowledge of Star Trek, not up on all the details


It was one of those rules that changed depending on the script.

In fact Deep Space Nine had the rule stated and then broken in the same episode without serious consequences.
 
2012-11-17 07:08:18 PM  

StopLurkListen: Until recently, the estimate was that you'd need an equivalent "Jupiter" mass's worth of energy to warp space; more recently was someone who theorized a differently-shaped warp bubble resulting in much less energy - a "Voyager probe" mass's worth of energy.


Whoop-dee-doo. Warping space enough for FTL still requires "exotic matter," a.k.a. "sci-fi pixie dust." On the other hand, warp drive would still be useful as an inertial damper even if you couldn't use it to break the light barrier. Being able to accelerate macroscopic objects to relativistic speeds without all those nasty g-forces would be pretty sweet.
 
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