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(Politico)   Obamacare included provision to allow states to set up their own exchange, liberal states are using it while conservatives states are handing over power to the federal government   (politico.com) divider line 137
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2012-11-17 02:19:02 PM
But it's not a BIG government. NO BIG GOVERNMENT! Now move along or we'll taze you.
 
2012-11-17 02:30:05 PM
It's so unlike them to want to continue to receive federal dollars and assistance while at the same time railing against it.
 
2012-11-17 04:02:40 PM
It's a stick in the eye of a just reelected president whose health care plan is still opposed misunderstood by about half the morons in this country

fixed
 
2012-11-17 04:25:03 PM
They had the ATTY General of Virginia ( I think ) on some right wing hacks show on Thorsday complaining that the Obama Admin did not give them enough time to do this and waaaaaa!!!!

Yeah, stupid- you had 2 years. Its not the Admins fault that you put all of your eggs in the basket of rmoney and the Scotus striking down the law ....
Planning- its whats for dinner .
I feel sorry for you folks in those states sometimes.
 
2012-11-17 04:50:10 PM
Note to GOP: State's rights, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-11-17 05:01:55 PM
Act like petulant children, get punished

/who knew?
 
2012-11-17 05:25:35 PM
I heard that the ACA may end up giving us single payer the sneaky way. Any info on that?
 
2012-11-17 05:30:03 PM

themindiswatching: I heard that the ACA may end up giving us single payer the sneaky way. Any info on that?


I read this too, though I don't remember where. Think Progress I think. All I know is, I don't want those pesky Republicans getting wind of it.
 
2012-11-17 05:53:28 PM
So basically establishing the exchanges is going to be the equivalent of enforcing the Volstead Act? Good to see Federal and State governments haven't changed much.
 
2012-11-17 05:53:30 PM
Policy is not about politics.
 
2012-11-17 05:59:03 PM
well shiat. it's bad enough to have a retarded governor who seems to think that getting federal money to pay for healthcare is ??????? fark i don't know what.

but to have his face as the pictorial representation of the dumb shiats doing this ...............

his initial opposition was that sometime in the future the feds wouldn't be paying for all of it so ...... ???????? 

but boy he didn't hesitate to have his picture taken with the big checks and the socialist commie stimulus money handouts.
 
2012-11-17 05:59:50 PM

themindiswatching: I heard that the ACA may end up giving us single payer the sneaky way. Any info on that?


My own theory: that's one of the goals of the Medicaid expansion. Get it to the point that so many Americans receive government health insurance and are satisfied with it that the minority of the nation not part of it will want to be included.

/Obama's single biggest mistake with the ACA was not calling it Medicare for All.
 
2012-11-17 06:00:01 PM
It's a stick in the eye of a just reelected president whose health care plan is still opposed by about half the country - and an indication that some Republican governors have no intention of backing down just because President Barack Obama won another four years.

"I'm not lifting a finger," Maine Gov. Paul LePage told Bloomberg this week. "We're not going to get involved. We're going to let Mr. Obama do a federal exchange. It's his bill."




"We think the Federal Government has gone to far, so naturally we are going to invite them to go even farther!
 
2012-11-17 06:00:57 PM
That's gotta be one of the weirdest non-WND/Amurkan Stinkr political articles I've ever read.

These big bad tough-talking Repubs are just rolling over and submitting to the Evil Overlord Federal Government?

Or are they secretly acknowleging that FartbamaCare is actually the Heritage Foundation health plan after all?
 
2012-11-17 06:01:51 PM
This feels like a child who doesn't want to go, so lets his body go limp while his mom drags him across the floor.
 
2012-11-17 06:03:29 PM
Ten years from now the GOP will be trying to take credit for how great the exchanges in their states run by the federal government are.
 
2012-11-17 06:05:54 PM

thornhill: Ten years from now the GOP will be trying to take credit for how great the exchanges in their states run by the federal government are.


And claiming Obama was one of them, while denying ever having voted for Bush.
 
2012-11-17 06:06:06 PM
They didn't talk about Missouri at all. We just passed a law that prohibits the governor from establishing the health care exchange without the approval of the voters... does that mean the feds are going to come in and do one for us too?

The GOP certainly are throwing a fit over this, and they're demonstrating that their party allegiance is more important than doing the right thing.
 
2012-11-17 06:07:01 PM

themindiswatching: I heard that the ACA may end up giving us single payer the sneaky way. Any info on that?


Surprise single payer? They'll pretend they like missionary, get our legs up over their shoulders, really get going, then "WHOOPS!!! SURPRISE SINGLE PAYER!!!!"
 
2012-11-17 06:07:15 PM
Gov Corbett here in PA said that he'd let the Federal government set it up, and if it's successful, the state will take it over.

Basically: the douche has been fighting tooth and nail against Obamacare, but if it turns out it's successful, he's going to take credit for it and take control of its fruits,
 
2012-11-17 06:11:11 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Gov Corbett here in PA said that he'd let the Federal government set it up, and if it's successful, the state will take it over.

Basically: the douche has been fighting tooth and nail against Obamacare, but if it turns out it's successful, he's going to take credit for it and take control of its fruits,


What's going to happen, is that 8 years from now, all of these Republicans who were in the House in 2008 to 2010 and voted against the ACA will be running for President talking about how they helped reduce the number of uninsured Americans.
 
2012-11-17 06:14:21 PM
So the GOP'ers get the benefits of Obamacare while still being able to proclaim to their moran consituents that the gov't has taken over health care? Brilliant!

Also, I'm not going to call it the ACA anymore, I want it to be referred to as Obamacare just to see how in ten years Glenn Beck et al try to make it seem like republicans were the impetus for this reform.
 
2012-11-17 06:15:11 PM

Le Bomb Suprize: So the GOP'ers get the benefits of Obamacare while still being able to proclaim to their moran consituents that the gov't has taken over health care? Brilliant!

Also, I'm not going to call it the ACA anymore, I want it to be referred to as Obamacare just to see how in ten years Glenn Beck et al try to make it seem like republicans were the impetus for this reform.


You assume Glenn Beck is going to survive 10 more years.
 
2012-11-17 06:21:14 PM
can't recall a time of such a group of whiny petulant politicians like the current gop
 
2012-11-17 06:23:10 PM
With the way the current laws are written couldn't the Federal Gov't withhold Medicaid funds entirely from a state if they didn't play ball?
 
2012-11-17 06:24:38 PM
I'm fine with this. Liberal states are smarter than red states. Red states should let the government handle their business. They're functionally retarded and finally starting to realize it.
 
2012-11-17 06:26:16 PM
My state government went for option 3: Declare ObamaCare to be a crime.
 
2012-11-17 06:30:41 PM
Red states don't want to pay to set up exchanges. Let the feds pay for it, if that is how it is going to be played. Red states didn't want Obamacare, so let Obama and his ilk find a way to create the stupid exchange system on their dime.

I don't want to hear the following in 2014:

*How expensive your medical insurance has become
*How your employer dropped you to PT work
*How your employer fired you to get under 50 employees
*How much you hate filling out the IRS form about the details of your insurance plan
*How much tax you are paying because you don't have an approved healthcare plan
*How long you wait to see a doctor for care
*How your mother/father can't find any doctors to take them b/c they are on Medicare
*How hospitals are consolidating and/or going out of business in order to stay open without going broke
*How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.
 
2012-11-17 06:36:54 PM

k1j2b3: I don't want to hear the following in 2014:


I don't want to hear the following in 2013:
People with "Account created: 2012-06-05 15:01:33" in their profile.
 
2012-11-17 06:37:42 PM

Le Bomb Suprize:

Also, I'm not going to call it the ACA anymore, I want it to be referred to as Obamacare j


Yeah man, we're calling it Obamacare. We own it now. That's the only contribution the Republicans made.
 
2012-11-17 06:41:55 PM

Fubini: They didn't talk about Missouri at all. We just passed a law that prohibits the governor from establishing the health care exchange without the approval of the voters... does that mean the feds are going to come in and do one for us too?
The GOP certainly are throwing a fit over this, and they're demonstrating that their party allegiance is more important than doing the right thing.


Yeah, so did we--passed a law that the feds can't impose Obamacare on us. I don't know what that means, at all. They admitted when it was on the ballot that the referendum was illegal.
 
2012-11-17 06:43:58 PM
probably because during the primaries they can claim they didn't support obamacare by implementing it in their states.

for all their talk about moderation, they'll have to appeal to the far right in the primaries
 
2012-11-17 06:54:34 PM
Of course they're letting the Fed set it up. Just another form of Red State Welfare.
 
2012-11-17 06:59:54 PM

k1j2b3: Red states don't want to pay to set up exchanges. Let the feds pay for it, if that is how it is going to be played. Red states didn't want Obamacare, so let Obama and his ilk find a way to create the stupid exchange system on their dime.

I don't want to hear the following in 2014:

*How expensive your medical insurance has become
*How your employer dropped you to PT work
*How your employer fired you to get under 50 employees
*How much you hate filling out the IRS form about the details of your insurance plan
*How much tax you are paying because you don't have an approved healthcare plan
*How long you wait to see a doctor for care
*How your mother/father can't find any doctors to take them b/c they are on Medicare
*How hospitals are consolidating and/or going out of business in order to stay open without going broke
*How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.


Don't worry, you won't - unless it;'s those voices in your head.
 
2012-11-17 07:02:09 PM

k1j2b3: Red states don't want to pay to set up exchanges. Let the feds pay for it, if that is how it is going to be played. Red states didn't want Obamacare, so let Obama and his ilk find a way to create the stupid exchange system on their dime.

I don't want to hear the following in 2014:

*How expensive your medical insurance has become
*How your employer dropped you to PT work
*How your employer fired you to get under 50 employees
*How much you hate filling out the IRS form about the details of your insurance plan
*How much tax you are paying because you don't have an approved healthcare plan
*How long you wait to see a doctor for care
*How your mother/father can't find any doctors to take them b/c they are on Medicare
*How hospitals are consolidating and/or going out of business in order to stay open without going broke
*How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.


Is all that going to happen before or after the death panels?
 
2012-11-17 07:04:53 PM
Here in NC our Democrat lame-duck governor just announced she was setting up a joint state/Federal exchange program for health insurance. Of course, the Republican legislature is foaming at the mouth over this; they want the newly elected Republican governor to make that decision, but oddly enough, he's being silent over this issue (much like a lot of other issues he sort of kind of ran on). Basically the GOP is butthurt because the governor didn't consult with them on this issue, but since they would just say "no let the Fed do it", what's the point?
 
2012-11-17 07:12:35 PM

k1j2b3: *How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.


How many hospitals do the Catholics still run in this country? Here in Philly, they barely have a presence, compared to the four other major medical systems. Hell, the old "Jewish Hospital" system is bigger than the single Catholic hospital in the city.
 
2012-11-17 07:20:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: k1j2b3: *How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.

How many hospitals do the Catholics still run in this country? Here in Philly, they barely have a presence, compared to the four other major medical systems. Hell, the old "Jewish Hospital" system is bigger than the single Catholic hospital in the city.


Catholic hospitals make up 12-15% of all hospital usage in the us.

Link
 
2012-11-17 07:46:53 PM

k1j2b3: Red states don't want to pay to set up exchanges. Let the feds pay for it, if that is how it is going to be played. Red states didn't want Obamacare, so let Obama and his ilk find a way to create the stupid exchange system on their dime.

I don't want to hear the following in 2014:

*How expensive your medical insurance has become
*How your employer dropped you to PT work
*How your employer fired you to get under 50 employees
*How much you hate filling out the IRS form about the details of your insurance plan
*How much tax you are paying because you don't have an approved healthcare plan
*How long you wait to see a doctor for care
*How your mother/father can't find any doctors to take them b/c they are on Medicare
*How hospitals are consolidating and/or going out of business in order to stay open without going broke
*How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.


So, their principals were violated...like, sexually?

/the principal is your pal
//the principal had strong principles.
 
2012-11-17 07:56:18 PM

turtle553: Dwight_Yeast: k1j2b3: *How all of those wonderful Catholic Hospitals who provided care for the poor and indigent for decades suddenly had to close up shop b/c Obamacare forced them to violate their religious principals.

How many hospitals do the Catholics still run in this country? Here in Philly, they barely have a presence, compared to the four other major medical systems. Hell, the old "Jewish Hospital" system is bigger than the single Catholic hospital in the city.

Catholic hospitals make up 12-15% of all hospital usage in the us.

Link


How many Catholic hospitals are going to actually close their doors if their employees are provided with reproductive services? Most already do. This is not a real thing.
 
2012-11-17 08:01:09 PM

jso2897: How many Catholic hospitals are going to actually close their doors if their employees are provided with reproductive services? Most already do. This is not a real thing.


There was a bit of a screaming shiatfit here in town recently, when a Catholic hospital tried to expand into the city by merging with a non-religious hospital... which offered abortions among their women's healthcare services.
 
2012-11-17 08:02:02 PM
I'd rather see one federally-managed health insurance exchange than 50 different State exchanges. What's the upside for consumers in letting the States build exchanges?
 
2012-11-17 08:05:19 PM

k1j2b3: Red states don't want to pay to set up exchanges. Let the feds pay for it, if that is how it is going to be played. Red states didn't want Obamacare, so let Obama and his ilk find a way to create the stupid exchange system on their dime.


What do you have against the free market?
 
2012-11-17 08:14:21 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I'd rather see one federally-managed health insurance exchange than 50 different State exchanges. What's the upside for consumers in letting the States build exchanges?


For some of us, we've been doing this for years. Due to experience, we're just better. WBH has been around for 20 years.

Now that I think of it, if the rest of you farkers had something similar we wouldn't have needed to pass this damned law.
 
2012-11-17 08:15:41 PM

rohar: BarkingUnicorn: I'd rather see one federally-managed health insurance exchange than 50 different State exchanges. What's the upside for consumers in letting the States build exchanges?

For some of us, we've been doing this for years. Due to experience, we're just better. WBH has been around for 20 years.

Now that I think of it, if the rest of you farkers had something similar we wouldn't have needed to pass this damned law.


Wbh?
 
2012-11-17 08:16:32 PM

rohar: Now that I think of it, if the rest of you farkers had something similar we wouldn't have needed to pass this damned law.


If the rest of the states were as competent as WA, this country would be in much better shape.
 
2012-11-17 08:18:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I'd rather see one federally-managed health insurance exchange than 50 different State exchanges. What's the upside for consumers in letting the States build exchanges?


States rights.
Better meet the needs of the stakeholders in that state.
 
2012-11-17 08:18:47 PM

zedster: rohar: BarkingUnicorn: I'd rather see one federally-managed health insurance exchange than 50 different State exchanges. What's the upside for consumers in letting the States build exchanges?

For some of us, we've been doing this for years. Due to experience, we're just better. WBH has been around for 20 years.

Now that I think of it, if the rest of you farkers had something similar we wouldn't have needed to pass this damned law.

Wbh?


Washington Basic Health.

What's the point of state's rights/50 individual experiments if the rest of the states are too ignorant to see success?
 
2012-11-17 08:18:51 PM

Dwight_Yeast: jso2897: How many Catholic hospitals are going to actually close their doors if their employees are provided with reproductive services? Most already do. This is not a real thing.

There was a bit of a screaming shiatfit here in town recently, when a Catholic hospital tried to expand into the city by merging with a non-religious hospital... which offered abortions among their women's healthcare services.


Well, anecdotes are a kind of data. The large catholic hospital near me just gives their employees regular health insurance - and dispenses birth control from their pharmacy.
Granted, i live on the west side of Los Angeles, and not Bugf**k Alabama - but catholic hospitals are not all the same.There are plenty of Roman Catholics in medicine who simply see their mission as treating the sick and injured - not enforcing their morality.
 
2012-11-17 08:23:02 PM

nobodyUwannaknow: BarkingUnicorn: I'd rather see one federally-managed health insurance exchange than 50 different State exchanges. What's the upside for consumers in letting the States build exchanges?

States rights.
Better meet the needs of the stakeholders in that state.


So I'll bite. What was Wyoming doing to help solve the problem of the uninsured before the federal government came in?
 
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