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(Mother Jones)   If you Farkers think you're comfortable with your craft brew, think again   (motherjones.com) divider line 164
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2012-11-17 05:21:59 PM  

alienated: clowncar on fire: So you wouldn't recommend using the leftover 7 gallon containers from sterilant used in our hospital sterilizers.

Well, I would use nothing plastic that has held anything but h2o, but thats just me.


As anyone who's ever tried Korean beer knows- Sterilant or chemical storage containers insure the best flavored beer.

I've heard nightmare tales of people attempting to use frosting and pastry filling buckets and ending up with "special odds" of which they only serve to their friends of discerning taste.
 
2012-11-17 05:23:33 PM  

St_Francis_P: Meh. If the big boys buy up and ruin the craft brewers, I'll just start making my own again.


They'll just buy some politicians, and shut it down for either moral (Republican) or safety (Democrat) reasons.

Don't say it couldn't happen, because it already did once.
 
2012-11-17 05:24:11 PM  
Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
 
2012-11-17 05:24:58 PM  
LeTrole is my surname.
 
2012-11-17 05:25:21 PM  

theMightyRegeya: Don't say it couldn't happen, because it already did once.


And if it were to ever happen, just like last time people will say fark that and continue making it. So I say learn now while it isn't illegal!
 
2012-11-17 05:25:52 PM  

L.D. Ablo: St_Francis_P: MaudlinMutantMollusk: YOU FOOL! YOU'VE SUMMONED THE APOSTROPHE POLICE!

It's become so common I don't even bother commenting on it. Why do so many people want to use an apostrophe with plurals?

It's not as bad as people who put apostrophes in the names of their children.


blog.zap2it.com
 
2012-11-17 05:26:38 PM  

sammyk: dickfreckle: Not sure if it still counts as a "craft" beer, but this is what we drink in New Orleans:



And because it's sweet, this is a good breakfast beer. Goes down easy:

Love them both. Only place I can get them in Charlotte is at a few of our cajun restaurants and world of beer


There are tons of places in Charlotte that carry Abita beers. Lowes foods, the Common Market, Total wine, etc...
 
2012-11-17 05:32:55 PM  

letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


1. Not true. Turn it on to update the Blu-Ray player, which is only ever used to play CD or SACDs.
2. Uh...no.
3. No. Just no.
4. Vinyl is fine for other people. I suffered with the noise, distortion, limited bandwidth and dynamic range for years, now it's someone else's turn.
5. No.
6. Not just no, hell no.
7. Sure.
8. No. They can poison themselves all they like without my help.
9. Never worried about it.
10. Yeah. Yet, once a year, need it or not, I eat one. 

/We have to stop meeting this way.
 
2012-11-17 05:33:38 PM  

Except I've talked to people who like Bud and Miller. They think it's perfectly good. I won't drink it either, but that's the reality of the market.


I love Keystone Light and Rainer on the low end, drink it 80% of the time. I get Inversion IPA other times and yeah it generally tastes better but an ice cold Rainer ain't bad and it's nearly half the price. 6x16 oz @ 4.99 for low end and 6x12 @ 7.99 for high end.

At the end of the day it's not bad beer, not as far as I'm concerned because really it's the alcohol and subsequent buzz I'm after. Everything else is just icing.
 
2012-11-17 05:34:29 PM  

letrole: Anyone who drinks craft beer also tends to:

1. Own a TV but haven't turned it on in years - nope (dumped cable and survive on alternative resources though)
2. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers- nope
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac- nope
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records- yes but only with an analog amp and full range speakers
5. Read books at Starbucks- nope. Whats a Starbucks?
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts- Yup. Big boobies were fine on the younguns but there's a price to pay down the road.
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart. - nope. Nearest affordable store in this area next to Costco- nothing bad to say at all. Amusing after midnight
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises- nope. your lungs not mine.
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter- yup, whether its's my dick or my car, it's not what you have but how it's used.
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

Got me there- prefer those chicken specialty sandwiches or the economy of the two cheeseburger meal

Did I win anything?
 
2012-11-17 05:36:37 PM  
I have never liked the taste of beer. I have tried all sorts, from pale ale to crap beer to lager to dark, dark brews. The bitterness just isn't palatable to me. However, I love Lambic (raspberry or cherry, but the peach and apple aren't bad). I use Lambic to make berry reductions for my cheesecake and bundt cakes. Served with a glass of Lambic, of course.

It is imported from Belgium.. it is technically a beer, as I understand the brewing process, but you could argue whether or not it is one. Either way, it is tasty.
 
2012-11-17 05:37:47 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: L.D. Ablo: St_Francis_P: MaudlinMutantMollusk: YOU FOOL! YOU'VE SUMMONED THE APOSTROPHE POLICE!

It's become so common I don't even bother commenting on it. Why do so many people want to use an apostrophe with plurals?

It's not as bad as people who put apostrophes in the names of their children.

[blog.zap2it.com image 345x425]


That's a semicolon, moran.
 
2012-11-17 05:40:43 PM  
Oh no. I'll no longer be able to buy yet another "EXTREME!!!!" IPA. Whatever shall I do?
 
2012-11-17 05:42:37 PM  
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart. I keep my snobby opinion to myself, especially around the kids as I don't want a houseful of elitists taht above life's essentials. Plan to introduce elitism only after I meet their first boyfriend or two.
 
2012-11-17 05:42:55 PM  

Anastacya: I have never liked the taste of beer. I have tried all sorts, from pale ale to crap beer to lager to dark, dark brews. The bitterness just isn't palatable to me. However, I love Lambic (raspberry or cherry, but the peach and apple aren't bad). I use Lambic to make berry reductions for my cheesecake and bundt cakes. Served with a glass of Lambic, of course.

It is imported from Belgium.. it is technically a beer, as I understand the brewing process, but you could argue whether or not it is one. Either way, it is tasty.


It's definitely beer. As I understand it though, it's difficult to brew at home. If you're looking for something to brew at home, perhaps melomel would work for you:

Melomel FAQ
 
2012-11-17 05:44:04 PM  
low prices for alcohol lead to excessive drunkenness

LOLwut?
 
2012-11-17 05:44:39 PM  

Tchernobog: sammyk: dickfreckle: Not sure if it still counts as a "craft" beer, but this is what we drink in New Orleans:



And because it's sweet, this is a good breakfast beer. Goes down easy:

Love them both. Only place I can get them in Charlotte is at a few of our cajun restaurants and world of beer

There are tons of places in Charlotte that carry Abita beers. Lowes foods, the Common Market, Total wine, etc...


Cool. Haven't been looking for it lately. Current beer crush is Blue Point Toasted Lager. It's my beer of choice at the Cajun Queen though. Mmmmmmm....need to go again soon.
 
2012-11-17 05:47:04 PM  
If you've never been to total wine you need to go. 1,000+ beers available. Wife gets pissed whenever when visit my parents in Charlotte, I never walk out of there for less than a hundred bucks.
 
2012-11-17 05:47:29 PM  

St_Francis_P: It's definitely beer. As I understand it though, it's difficult to brew at home. If you're looking for something to brew at home, perhaps melomel would work for you:

Melomel FAQ


Lambics aren't particularly difficult to make. They do require some aging, and the main difficulty is keeping all the equipment segregated from your main brewing equipment. You use special strains of bacteria and yeast as opposed to good old Saccharomyces Ceriviseae (brewer's yeast.) If one is interested purely in lambics, it really wouldn't be too hard to get into creating them yourself. The pain in the ass is keeping it separate from your other equipment, and making sure none of your normal beers are contaminated.
 
2012-11-17 05:48:04 PM  

fusillade762: low prices for alcohol lead to excessive drunkenness

LOLwut?


Not by your fifth one- by then, everyone gets a round of whatever they're drinking, regardless of the cost
 
2012-11-17 05:49:10 PM  

bonkmeist: St_Francis_P: It's definitely beer. As I understand it though, it's difficult to brew at home. If you're looking for something to brew at home, perhaps melomel would work for you:

Melomel FAQ

Lambics aren't particularly difficult to make. They do require some aging, and the main difficulty is keeping all the equipment segregated from your main brewing equipment. You use special strains of bacteria and yeast as opposed to good old Saccharomyces Ceriviseae (brewer's yeast.) If one is interested purely in lambics, it really wouldn't be too hard to get into creating them yourself. The pain in the ass is keeping it separate from your other equipment, and making sure none of your normal beers are contaminated.


Yeah, I knew that specific bacteria are required. I guess they're available over the internet these days.
 
2012-11-17 05:51:39 PM  

GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.


The big players just change the rules from competition for market share to competition for survival. Remember, the free market isn't free unless the big dog gets to eat first and eat most.
 
2012-11-17 05:53:41 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

The big players just change the rules from competition for market share to competition for survival. Remember, the free market isn't free unless the big dog gets to eat first and eat most.


Big dogs need food to get big. Don't feed them.
 
2012-11-17 05:54:25 PM  

letrole: 10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

Feign

disgust?

Oh, it's le Trôle.
 
2012-11-17 06:00:16 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: letrole: 10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

Feign disgust?

Oh, it's le Trôle.


Don't let the name fool you...oh, who am I kidding.
 
2012-11-17 06:04:08 PM  

clowncar on fire: i upped my meds-up yours: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

The big players just change the rules from competition for market share to competition for survival. Remember, the free market isn't free unless the big dog gets to eat first and eat most.

Big dogs need food to get big. Don't feed them.


You have to, because they underprice anyone smaller to make sure you can't afford to buy anywhere else.
 
2012-11-17 06:07:39 PM  
I love the craft beer movement, but decided to brew my own exclusively for about 5 years. Then the bastards where I work upped our hours 10 per week, and I have little energy to devote to even brewing...but I've become spoiled by the savings in $$.

So, I'm now on a mission to identify the Best Beers for a Buck. I think anybody can probably make a decent beer at the $10/sixer price point. Who can do it near $6 or $7? It doesn't have to be as good as Dogfish Head 90 Min IPA, but has to taste discernibly better than NASCAR beers. I want some viscosity and a good, sessionable taste.

So far, I've been quite pleased with what I've found at that price point. Point (Steven's Point) makes good stuff, especially their Pale Ale. The only one I didn't care for was their "Nude Beach." The Henry Weinhard's line is decent for a buck, too. I know...one of the NASCAR companies owns them now, but I won't hold that against them too much. They weren't owned by Satan not too long ago.

I'm currently enjoying two different six packs of Atwater's out of Detroit that I got on sale for around $1.09 a can. There was one case of their "Dirty Blonde" ale and I cracked that open first. I think I'm not a fan of that style (see "Nude Beach" above), but it's okay. Looking forward to their lager tonight around the campfire, and will pick up their session IPA in cans the next time I'm at the store.

I did try one selection at $5/six that I nearly spit out. Pig's Eye Pilsner. Yuck!! Sickly sweet with a cheap, metallic aftertaste. Avoid.
 
2012-11-17 06:20:03 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Dave and his national accounts team walked me through a deck showing that chains that over-SKU with crafts end up selling less beer and making less profit than chains that protect their domestic premium space.

I think their research is SKU'ed


No, think about it:

You goto "the beer barn" in milford, pa, which has about a 1000 square foot retail space, and all they really sell is coorsmillerbud. You want to pick up a 30 rack or 4 for your hunting camp, that's where you go.

Or there's "pike beverage" over in dingmans ferry, which has 3 times the space and 30 times the selection. If you want a few two-fours of something decent for your bonfire, you'll go there.

Yes, they do about the same amount of business. But nobody is forcing pike beverage to carry that variety. They do it because that's what the owner wants
 
2012-11-17 06:29:43 PM  

clowncar on fire: alienated: I would add- the last times that I did brew, I used 1/2 bbl kegs as fermenters- caustic soda soak and scrub, rinse, rinse rinse, test water, rinse, putting a couple of gallons of water in , place on burner, steam sanitise, cap with foil after- ready to go. Plus, Stainless doesnt crack if ones wort chiller is not working and the thing is in a water bath. YMMV.

I was going to place my pot in sub room temp water (bath tup or sink) and then add bags of ice to cool it down. Do you think this would damage my pot? Would you recommend aluminum over stainless in this regard?
/now I know for sure that it's not the money but the paranoia that's been delaying my first batch


Make mistakes; you'll be fine. The worst thing that will happen is you'll make not-tasty beer. It will still be beer, and taste mostly OK. Sanitation is the root cause of most flavor accidents. You cannot over-sanitize.

Homebrew stores sell kits. I'd go with ale as a first attempt, because the ferm temp is a range compatible with 'room temperature' for most people. California Common is forgiving, too, and so are porters. Go have fun.
 
2012-11-17 06:33:10 PM  

halfof33: The ironic thing is that the people who are claiming that the big brewers don't make a quality product are wrong.

American light lager is difficult to make, and the consistency and freshness is amazing.

That being said, I believe that A-B is evil.


I think you're confusing consistency with quality. They make shiatty beer on a massive scale, with remarkable consistency. I admire the consistency, but it's still not a quality beer
 
2012-11-17 06:52:02 PM  

baorao: DoctorCal: Enemabag Jones: in many states there are two beer distributors

Really? Which states?

If what I learned from Beer Wars is accurate, when prohibition ended they made all sorts of goofy laws to control the sale of alcohol. So the states were each divided into "zones" and each zone was allowed a specific number (around 3) distributors. And so the common pattern in each zone is one for Annheuser-Busch, one for SABMiller and one for Coors and whatever microbrewers that can afford to pay for the leftover space on their distribution truck.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that a distribution conglomerate was in control of a piece of multiple zones in a state.


ABC varies state to state depending on the states regulations.

maryland, for example is a nice and weird one... each county in maryland has it's own separate ABC board and groups of regulations pertaining to each county and each county more or less handles distribution. DC is similar.

as to each ZONE? you will usually have two main distributors dealing with the big three. AB folks tend to be singular to themselves, and the other guys handle Miller and coors. and then you might have a third, much smaller guy that handles smaller imports and specialty and craft beers.
AB distributes will most likely also carry more major brand Craft lines. Around here, none of the craft distributors will deal with the Miller/Coors houses.


As for everything else regarding the article.. and I release this post from what I quoted to lead it in....


first off... what is blue pale? is this a new one I'm not familiar with? or did the author of the article meen Blue moon? also, the craft segment is commanding 12% of the market now, not 6%

and me, being in the biz am not worried about the big guys.. they will be fine, and they are adapting very well. what I 'm seeing is an explosion on the market of craft beer.
two breweries opened up here in town in the last week alone. it's great for the consumer, and competition is always good to keep folks on their toes.

the problem is though... how many little breweries can the market support before they start eating themselves? How many of these little guys are just people that are more focused on marketing and trying to make a buck?

during the last craft bubble, and I was there for it, the market was flush with thousands of mediocre beers with fancy names. they competed with each other for attention and shelf space and ultimately the market decided, y'all suck, and folks started drinking PBR again.

a lot of good breweries got lost in all the noise. and failed because of it. not enough available shelf space, and having to compete with lack luster beer that was louder on the shelf.

back when the brewery I work for made its first Big expansion, going from a 10bbl pilot house to a 30bbl pilot house, it was by being able to purchase a bunch of equipment cheap from fire sales of failed breweries from the last bubble, our brew house is a Frankenstein' monster of potato engineering, but it works, and works well. back then, you really couldn't buy these sized systems out of a catalog. now you can. back then, we were re-purposing dairy equipment, now it's all specialized and the costs are commiserate.

and large distro houses are willing to look at you and pay attention. and help you help then instead of seeing you as some upstart threat to competition.

but still, I can't help but see that the big guys are sitting back and watching us eat ourselves.

Ive personally have seen the change of attitude.. and I con only compare it to a mosh pit.... once upon a time, it was all about having a good raucous time. and if you fell down in the pit, folks would pick you up and throw you back in there.. but nowadays, if you fall down, they seem to be just as happy to start kicking you while you are flailing on the floor.

alright... made my big obervational post.. have fun Folks.
 
2012-11-17 06:54:38 PM  
Damn. And here I am, down to my last case of Billy Beer.
 
2012-11-17 06:56:58 PM  

WhippingBoy: Oh no. I'll no longer be able to buy yet another "EXTREME!!!!" IPA. Whatever shall I do?


I've never heard of an Extreme IPA and i'm a pretty big craft beer fan.
I guess maybe a Triple IPA? Which there aren't really that many being made because they're not that popular?

There's a lot more to craft beer than hops, kid.
 
2012-11-17 06:58:51 PM  
I sure hope the craft beer industry doesn't experience what the home video game industry did in 1984. Also, Golf Disc manufacturers...
 
2012-11-17 07:06:30 PM  

Ow My Balls: I sure hope the craft beer industry doesn't experience what the home video game industry did in 1984. Also, Golf Disc manufacturers...


as per my post, we did it before, and we may be working on it again. but this time around, we have a more educated public. but we could very well be working on popping another bubble.

but once again.. it will work to seperate the wheat from the chaff.
 
2012-11-17 07:20:20 PM  
If you're a beer snob, this article should be enough to make you hopping mad.
 
2012-11-17 07:22:23 PM  
I just got 6 strangers hooked on Founder's IPA so f--k off Miller and InBev.

/sharing table at a sports bar after the game
//goddamn I love Founder's
///newhollandbrew.com
 
2012-11-17 07:23:17 PM  

cyberspacedout: If you're a beer snob, this article should be enough to make you hopping mad.


i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-17 07:25:26 PM  
Got my Mr Beer keg on order. Going to start small. May move to the double fermentation system once I get the hang of it. I predict that South Florida will not be kind to my temperature control attempts, so we'll see how long it lasts.
 
2012-11-17 07:29:52 PM  

xynix: Two companies dominating a beverage industry? Unheard of!

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In other frightening news, AmBev is angling for a 2013-2014 buyout of Pepsi's beverage division, selling the snack division (Frito-Lay) off.
 
2012-11-17 08:50:38 PM  
Coors Banquet is a good cheap beer. I don't care what y'all think.
 
2012-11-17 09:18:31 PM  

foxyshadis: xynix: Two companies dominating a beverage industry? Unheard of!

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In other frightening news, AmBev is angling for a 2013-2014 buyout of Pepsi's beverage division, selling the snack division (Frito-Lay) off.


And PBR has been lying in wait to buy up the Hostess names for two years now.

sprgrss: Coors Banquet is a good cheap beer. I don't care what y'all think.


I don't think ill of you for liking it. it is what it is and as long as you like it, that's the important thing.

a much wiser man than i, a legend in the craft beer industry, when asked "what's the best beer in the world right now" he turned to the guy asking the question and said quite bluntly " the best beer in the world sir, is the one that's in my hand, and it will stay that way until, I get another beer. "


so, while some may look down on you for doing, or saying so, As long as you are enjoying that beer, for all the reasons you want to enjoy it, that beer, right there, is the best beer in the world.
 
2012-11-17 09:25:24 PM  

Ow My Balls:

So, I'm now on a mission to identify the Best Beers for a Buck. I think anybody can probably make a decent beer at the $10/sixer price point. Who can do it near $6 or $7? It doesn't have to be as good as Dogfish Head 90 Min IPA, but has to taste discernibly better than NASCAR beers. I want some viscosity and a good, sessionable taste.

So far, I've been quite pleased with what I've found at that price point. Point (Steven's Point) makes good stuff, especially their Pale Ale. The only one I didn't care for was their "Nude Beach." The Henry Weinhard's line is decent for a buck, too. I know...one of the NASCAR companies owns them now, but I won't hold that against them too much. They weren't owned by Satan not too long ago.


Like you said, $10/6 pack is the range where everything starts to get good, and is a wonderful area to experiment around in. When I am feeling thrifty, or buying for a large group, Sierra Nevada has a solid selection. I know it's no longer acceptable to like IPAs on Fark, but I like their Torpedo Ale. Also, check out Costco, if you have one in your area. They carry a small selection of good beers. In San Diego, I can get a case of Stone's IPA there for $25, which is great considering its usually $9 for six, even that close to where it is brewed.

Other than that, just look around for local breweries. You will save by not having to pay for it to be shipped across the country. I'm in Virginia for a couple of weeks for work, and have fallen in love with O'Connor brewery's black IPA, which is brewed right here in Norfolk. If I tried to get Stone out here, I'd be paying through the nose.
 
2012-11-17 09:28:12 PM  

St_Francis_P: bonkmeist: St_Francis_P: It's definitely beer. As I understand it though, it's difficult to brew at home. If you're looking for something to brew at home, perhaps melomel would work for you:

Melomel FAQ

Lambics aren't particularly difficult to make. They do require some aging, and the main difficulty is keeping all the equipment segregated from your main brewing equipment. You use special strains of bacteria and yeast as opposed to good old Saccharomyces Ceriviseae (brewer's yeast.) If one is interested purely in lambics, it really wouldn't be too hard to get into creating them yourself. The pain in the ass is keeping it separate from your other equipment, and making sure none of your normal beers are contaminated.

Yeah, I knew that specific bacteria are required. I guess they're available over the internet these days.


Yeast is not a bacteria. Just saying. My town (of 90,000) has two small breweries. Both are also restaurants. As long as there are people who like food and beer there are people who will make beer and sell it. So I'm not worried...
 
2012-11-17 09:41:50 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: And PBR has been lying in wait to buy up the Hostess names for two years now.


You'd think RJR or Phillip Morris would be a better fit, assuming those companies are going to get into the mass-market weed business soon.
 
BBH
2012-11-17 10:00:00 PM  
I think InBev bought out Goose Island a few years back. They haven't screwed up Honkers Ale or 312. (yet?)
 
2012-11-17 10:16:08 PM  

symbolset: So brew your own. Malted barley, yeast, water. No biggie.


Started that hobby when I turned 40. Best hobby ever.

Holiday Porter fermenting in the basement as I type.
 
2012-11-17 10:18:59 PM  

foxyshadis: Cerebral Knievel: And PBR has been lying in wait to buy up the Hostess names for two years now.

You'd think RJR or Phillip Morris would be a better fit, assuming those companies are going to get into the mass-market weed business soon.


Naw PBR i all about "nostalgia brands" it's what they do... they own the copyrights for almost every single large regional brewery that was ever out there that any one may know.. and the push out the name to those localities. the beer is pretty much all rebranded miller highlife, but there ya go.
PBR only wants the name, and Hostess has an great name brand recognition.. I understand you are trying to make a twinkies are just as bad as cigarets, and pot munchies joke, and I will laugh right beside you on that one..

actually, thought, if you want to get down to the nitty gritty of it.. Philip Morris is the parent company of altria, which is the parent company of Kraft foods, of which, is the parent company of Nabisco.. I think I got all the "begets" right, If I messed any of that up , I'll go back and double check my book of Mormon.


in that regard.. I'm pretty damn surprised that Nabisco wasn't all on that shiat, but nope... PBR..waiting for the management to go fuggit and throw the labor and the unions to the curb. run in, snatch up the names, and continue production on the core brands.
 
2012-11-17 10:50:40 PM  

alienated: clowncar on fire: Cyclometh: The carboy of pumpkin ale I've had aging for a while laughs at you, subby.

Plastic or glass- I was wondering if I could use one of those plastic water jugs you find in the office,but covered with a blanket to keep out the light as a carboy. As the contents are not under pressure, I'm not seeing to many downsides to my scheme. Probably difficult to clean but maybe better than a 6 gallon utility pail?

Plastic is hard to sanitise.Glass is not. Use a new plastic one only once. Glass is heavy but its worth it.


Freakish....I use plastic carboys that are over ten years old all the time. I can count on one hand the numbers of infections I've had. I typically average about two batches a month and have been brewing for more than ten years.

I do follow a strong regimen of cleaning them though; 24 hours before they get Oxy-Clean, five hours before they get PBW, and then when it's time to put wort in them I spritz with use Star-San. After they've been used I hit it with Oxy-Clean again for a few hours. I also only ever use a sponge and not a scrub brush.

Another major key is not to store them stacked into one another. I hang mine from the rafters when they're not in use.

Glass is heavy, but it's also brittle. I watched one detonate that was placed behind a door. Someone came barging in and the thing just blew out.

Lots of people get the job done with plastic. I'm one of them.
 
2012-11-17 11:12:23 PM  
Plastic carboys are fine, back in my homebrewing days, I used both glass and plastic..

big concern though... don't use anything harshly aprasive to clean them.. if you scratch them, or anything for that matter, you have a contamination point, bacteria can hide and grow in a scratch.

you gotta rely on chemical cleaning at that point. a weak/ medium solution of sodium hydroxide, or tri-sodium phosphate to break down the biologics, rinse, then use an acid to neutralize the caustic and sanitize the vessel.

the tri-so will rinse clean with just water, and can be had in the hardware stores painting aisle..


but plastic is just fine, as long as you don't scratch it.
 
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