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2012-11-17 04:08:18 PM  
Uhma drinkun consorregated- um-- beer right now so I'm getting my ass kicked out. You know who else drank consorrogated beer? Onana. The president drunk some consorregated beer wif a plumber guy who was always preachin' that kama sutra...uh.. Joe Satriani. That wuz his name, Joey or sumfren.

Oh yeah, now uh 'member ...Itz all soshulizm biatchuz, it's like taking the working man's twinkies away from his hungry children and feedin' them to the jews in in that Gaza Strip Club right here in Washington DC. It's all going down right in front of your eyes....
 
2012-11-17 04:08:31 PM  
I take this article with an immense shovel of salt, since it's Mother Jones. But, in the final issue, if it comes to pass, I just continue brewing my own. I won't buy the beers of the bigs (even their soi-disant "crafts") anyway.
Some good that could come out of this is to make beers more intensely -micro, or even -nano than they are right now. Beer is fundamentally a perishable, local product that should be made and consumed that way. I subscribe to the New Glarus motto: "Drink Indigenous."
 
2012-11-17 04:10:27 PM  
 
2012-11-17 04:11:15 PM  

Enemabag Jones: in many states there are two beer distributors


Really? Which states?
 
2012-11-17 04:17:13 PM  
Soon I'll be living 2 blocks away from Fullsteam Brewery in Durham NC. Looking forward to many pints of the Southern Lager in my future.
 
2012-11-17 04:17:50 PM  
So now Blue Moon and Shock Top are knockoffs yet Sunshine and Boulevard Wheat are craft beers? Thanks beer snobs. You lost, get over it.
 
2012-11-17 04:20:07 PM  
To increase their profits, he shows, the companies are moving toward a vertical-integration strategy: gunning for control of the distribution and wholesaling.

Because nothing says fair competition with small businesses like using your multinational reach and billion dollar profit margin to achieve nearly all-encompassing vertical integration.
 
2012-11-17 04:22:03 PM  

DoctorCal: Enemabag Jones: in many states there are two beer distributors

Really? Which states?


If what I learned from Beer Wars is accurate, when prohibition ended they made all sorts of goofy laws to control the sale of alcohol. So the states were each divided into "zones" and each zone was allowed a specific number (around 3) distributors. And so the common pattern in each zone is one for Annheuser-Busch, one for SABMiller and one for Coors and whatever microbrewers that can afford to pay for the leftover space on their distribution truck.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that a distribution congolmerate was in control of a piece of multiple zones in a state.
 
2012-11-17 04:23:00 PM  

St_Francis_P: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.


I drink crappy beer (the kind found all the way to the left end of the cooler at Walmart) as punishment for not making better life decisions that would have allowed me to buy better. When i'm on a particularly nasty bout of self pity, I'll chug a couple of Nattie 40's and try to sound witty in the politics tab- I figure you have to play on a level field when you enter that tab.

The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe? I want to go easy on the hops, maybe something with carmelized oats but not much more intricate than that. Definitely do not want to attempt a lager as I won't have much control over the lower temperatures nor timetable required to make a decent lager.
 
2012-11-17 04:23:16 PM  
Everyone panic! They're coming for your BEER.
 
2012-11-17 04:24:26 PM  

downstairs: dickfreckle: Not sure if it still counts as a "craft" beer, but this is what we drink in New Orleans:

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And because it's sweet, this is a good breakfast beer. Goes down easy:

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They're a little too big to be called "craft" I'd say.  And you can get it at every bar in New Orleans and probably Louisiana.  Can't say that about any other non-macrobrew, even stuff made in Louisiana.


Sierra Nevada.
 
2012-11-17 04:24:41 PM  

mynameist: So now Blue Moon and Shock Top are knockoffs yet Sunshine and Boulevard Wheat are craft beers? Thanks beer snobs. You lost, get over it.


So, you neither understand what constitutes a craft beer nor sales trends. Got it. Go enjoy your Bud Light.
 
2012-11-17 04:25:44 PM  
Just brew your own booze. It is easy and much cheaper.
 
2012-11-17 04:25:59 PM  

what_now: I've been away for a while: is this thread where I talk about how your beer isn't as cool as my beer?


Unless yur beer is above room temperature, you have me beat when it comes to room temp. which in my home is around 65 this time of year.
 
2012-11-17 04:26:07 PM  

clowncar on fire: St_Francis_P: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.

I drink crappy beer (the kind found all the way to the left end of the cooler at Walmart) as punishment for not making better life decisions that would have allowed me to buy better. When i'm on a particularly nasty bout of self pity, I'll chug a couple of Nattie 40's and try to sound witty in the politics tab- I figure you have to play on a level field when you enter that tab.

The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe? I want to go easy on the hops, maybe something with carmelized oats but not much more intricate than that. Definitely do not want to attempt a lager as I won't have much control over the lower temperatures nor timetable required to make a decent lager.


If you have a local beer and wine brewing store, pay them a visit. Most of those guys are happy to help you out.
 
2012-11-17 04:26:23 PM  
I'm done with beer. Looking forward to the implementation of a higher substance.
 
2012-11-17 04:29:01 PM  
So brew your own. Malted barley, yeast, water. No biggie.
 
2012-11-17 04:29:09 PM  

St_Francis_P: The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe?


if you're truly a first timer, doing a full boil, make sure you have enough heat to boil 6 gallons of liquid.
 
2012-11-17 04:30:44 PM  

baorao: St_Francis_P: The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe?

if you're truly a first timer, doing a full boil, make sure you have enough heat to boil 6 gallons of liquid.


You got the wrong name attached to that, but the advice is good.
 
2012-11-17 04:30:45 PM  

baorao: It wouldn't surprise me to find out that a distribution congolmerate was in control of a piece of multiple zones in a state.


DIng ding ding. Its like that here- One company, 2 ( well many more, but only 2 count for me ) counties.
I cannot buy from LA County, but can from Ventura.Guess which one sucks ? Thats right, the one I have to buy from. At least as far as miller coors goes.

On the plus side, the Bud guys can get me stuff from San Luis Obispo that is not sent this far south, which is nice
 
2012-11-17 04:33:01 PM  
The carboy of pumpkin ale I've had aging for a while laughs at you, subby.
 
2012-11-17 04:35:37 PM  

Semi-Sane: Just brew your own booze. It is easy and much cheaper.


Not much cheaper but can definitely brag,"i built this". That and the distinct possibility of never having that particular flavored beer again. Unless you take meticulous notes, every step of the way.
 
2012-11-17 04:38:39 PM  
Beer porn thread?

This is just a little more than half of the beer selection at a local grocery store. I love that place.

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/clicks to full
 
2012-11-17 04:38:53 PM  
which craft?

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2012-11-17 04:40:32 PM  

Cyclometh: The carboy of pumpkin ale I've had aging for a while laughs at you, subby.


Plastic or glass- I was wondering if I could use one of those plastic water jugs you find in the office,but covered with a blanket to keep out the light as a carboy. As the contents are not under pressure, I'm not seeing to many downsides to my scheme. Probably difficult to clean but maybe better than a 6 gallon utility pail?
 
2012-11-17 04:44:52 PM  

clowncar on fire: Cyclometh: The carboy of pumpkin ale I've had aging for a while laughs at you, subby.

Plastic or glass- I was wondering if I could use one of those plastic water jugs you find in the office,but covered with a blanket to keep out the light as a carboy. As the contents are not under pressure, I'm not seeing to many downsides to my scheme. Probably difficult to clean but maybe better than a 6 gallon utility pail?


We successfully used a 6-gallon plastic brewing pail for many batches. The plastic carboy might be OK, but I'd worry about scratching the interior with the cleaning brush. The scratches can harbor bacteria, although if you use disinfectant solution properly that may not be an issue.
 
2012-11-17 04:45:35 PM  

Doom MD: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

Actually it's government regulation that is allowing this to happen. The three tier system created at the end of prohibition is what is allowin this abuse. Check out Beer Wars where they go pretty at length on the subject.


Why is it there is always someone saying that an unregulated market acting like an unregulated market is somehow the government's fault? Just own up that this is exactly what Libertarian economics looks like for fark's sake.
 
2012-11-17 04:46:17 PM  

clowncar on fire: Cyclometh: The carboy of pumpkin ale I've had aging for a while laughs at you, subby.

Plastic or glass- I was wondering if I could use one of those plastic water jugs you find in the office,but covered with a blanket to keep out the light as a carboy. As the contents are not under pressure, I'm not seeing to many downsides to my scheme. Probably difficult to clean but maybe better than a 6 gallon utility pail?


Plastic is hard to sanitise.Glass is not. Use a new plastic one only once. Glass is heavy but its worth it.
 
2012-11-17 04:46:47 PM  

St_Francis_P: baorao: St_Francis_P: The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe?

if you're truly a first timer, doing a full boil, make sure you have enough heat to boil 6 gallons of liquid.

You got the wrong name attached to that, but the advice is good.


Research says you are only boiling about 3 gallons for a five gallon batch- than adding the additional two gallons of boiling water to the wart before cooling it down. You just need the extra sized pot to avoid boiling over and preventing splashies when you stir or adding hops.
 
2012-11-17 04:47:56 PM  
Actually it's government regulation that is allowing this to happen. The three tier system created at the end of prohibition is what is allowin this abuse. Check out Beer Wars where they go pretty at length on the subject.

Pretty much. After prohibition ended, suffering prohibitionists did everything they could to ruin beer. They imagined selling spirits in low-key "package stores" for the serious drunks, and the majority of the public just looking for social drinking would be weened into low alcohol mass produced beer for things like sporting events and tailgating. It isn't hard to see why (from the prohibitions point of view), they imagined people trying to get drunk would be massively hydrated from the water to alcohol content ratio and pissing like a race horse before they could wig out in the drunk rages they envisioned. Until recently, many states still had upper limits of alcohol content in beer at like 3.5% practically making craft beers illegal. So hardly a free market creation.
 
2012-11-17 04:51:34 PM  

clowncar on fire: St_Francis_P: baorao: St_Francis_P: The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe?

if you're truly a first timer, doing a full boil, make sure you have enough heat to boil 6 gallons of liquid.

You got the wrong name attached to that, but the advice is good.

Research says you are only boiling about 3 gallons for a five gallon batch- than adding the additional two gallons of boiling water to the wart before cooling it down. You just need the extra sized pot to avoid boiling over and preventing splashies when you stir or adding hops.


Yeah thats true. But that is only a partial boil. That can be done indoors on a range. I just assumed that when you said 6 gallon that you were doing a full, because 6 gallon pots are a bit harder to come by. 5 gallon stainless steel stock pots can be found pretty easily. I've never done a full boil fwiw.

Based on what you're planning, I'd check out Austin HomeBrew for an extract kit. They have a pretty good selection of "clone" recipes.
 
2012-11-17 04:54:36 PM  

alienated: clowncar on fire: Cyclometh: The carboy of pumpkin ale I've had aging for a while laughs at you, subby.

Plastic or glass- I was wondering if I could use one of those plastic water jugs you find in the office,but covered with a blanket to keep out the light as a carboy. As the contents are not under pressure, I'm not seeing to many downsides to my scheme. Probably difficult to clean but maybe better than a 6 gallon utility pail?

Plastic is hard to sanitise.Glass is not. Use a new plastic one only once. Glass is heavy but its worth it.


I think you can aquire the plastic jugs for around 3 bucks each although I know a couple of people who can get them for au gratis. As they only contained fresh water, sterilization should not be to much of an issue (pickle buckets are free but don't bother). how much did the glass carboy (presumeably 6 gallon) set you back? I've seen $30 0r more as opposed to the white utility buckets for around 10.

Kinda interesting that a 5 gallon utility bucket is around 3 dollars but the price jumps quickly to 10 when its a 6 gallon bucket.
 
2012-11-17 04:58:42 PM  

GAT_00: Doom MD: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

Actually it's government regulation that is allowing this to happen. The three tier system created at the end of prohibition is what is allowin this abuse. Check out Beer Wars where they go pretty at length on the subject.

Why is it there is always someone saying that an unregulated market acting like an unregulated market is somehow the government's fault? Just own up that this is exactly what Libertarian economics looks like for fark's sake.


Probably because it is a highly regulated market as been highlighted by myself and several posters here.
 
2012-11-17 04:59:24 PM  

clowncar on fire: how much did the glass carboy (presumeably 6 gallon) set you back?


Well, I have a bunch of 5 gallons that I bought used for about 5 bucks each, and my 6 gallon ones were 20 bucks, also used. 30 is a decent price for a 6 gallon.
The buckets cost more as a : food grade- important and b: its an odd size.
And correct on pickle buckets- do not bother unless making pickled flavoured beer- plastic absorbs things and the amount of concentrated peroxide needed ( which is dangerous) is cost prohibitive from anyone doing it.
 
2012-11-17 04:59:31 PM  

baorao: clowncar on fire: St_Francis_P: baorao: St_Francis_P: The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe?

if you're truly a first timer, doing a full boil, make sure you have enough heat to boil 6 gallons of liquid.

You got the wrong name attached to that, but the advice is good.

Research says you are only boiling about 3 gallons for a five gallon batch- than adding the additional two gallons of boiling water to the wart before cooling it down. You just need the extra sized pot to avoid boiling over and preventing splashies when you stir or adding hops.

Yeah thats true. But that is only a partial boil. That can be done indoors on a range. I just assumed that when you said 6 gallon that you were doing a full, because 6 gallon pots are a bit harder to come by. 5 gallon stainless steel stock pots can be found pretty easily. I've never done a full boil fwiw.

Based on what you're planning, I'd check out Austin HomeBrew for an extract kit. They have a pretty good selection of "clone" recipes.


Thanks for the site, will be checking it out later. - meant 5 gallon pot earlier as the intent was brewing on the range as our HOA frowns on outdoor breweries.
 
2012-11-17 05:00:58 PM  

St_Francis_P: Except I've talked to people who like Bud and Miller. They think it's perfectly good. I won't drink it either, but that's the reality of the market.


Possibly they haven't had anything else?

I brought a Bud-loving co-worker to the Flying Saucer (maybe 100 craft beers on tap, hundreds more in bottles) back in May and he's already earned his first plate!

Also, (back to the article) this is why I shop at Whole Foods. They have an entire aisle of local brews and microbrews - DFW has a 1/2 dozen great breweries. Further, my Whole Foods has around 20 of those on tap (growler available)! It is now fun to go "shopping" with my wife (I sit at the bar and sample 2 or 3 (or 4...OK 5), she gets a wine or beer and shops for an hour)
 
2012-11-17 05:02:19 PM  
I would add- the last times that I did brew, I used 1/2 bbl kegs as fermenters- caustic soda soak and scrub, rinse, rinse rinse, test water, rinse, putting a couple of gallons of water in , place on burner, steam sanitise, cap with foil after- ready to go. Plus, Stainless doesnt crack if ones wort chiller is not working and the thing is in a water bath. YMMV.
 
2012-11-17 05:03:46 PM  
Got a party to go to later, here's what I'm taking:

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Millstream Backroad Stout, Great River Redband Coffee Stout, Leinenkugel's Big Eddie Imperial Stout, Sierra Nevada Narwhal Imperial Stout, Bell's Expedition Stout, Founders Breakfast Stout, Surly Darkness

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Summit Unchained Old 152, Schell's Emerald Rye, Clown Shoes Tramp Stamp, Hinterland Luna Coffee Stout, Summit Winter ale, McNeils War Lord DIPA, Clown Shoes Hoppy Feet 1.5, Surly 5 (Pentagram), New Belgium Cocoa Mole

Not pictured: New Belgium Tart Lychee, Indeed Day Tripper and Midnight Ryder

I didn't pay a single penny for any of this, sometimes I really love my job.
 
2012-11-17 05:05:07 PM  

cavedonkey: St_Francis_P: Except I've talked to people who like Bud and Miller. They think it's perfectly good. I won't drink it either, but that's the reality of the market.

Possibly they haven't had anything else?

I brought a Bud-loving co-worker to the Flying Saucer (maybe 100 craft beers on tap, hundreds more in bottles) back in May and he's already earned his first plate!

Also, (back to the article) this is why I shop at Whole Foods. They have an entire aisle of local brews and microbrews - DFW has a 1/2 dozen great breweries. Further, my Whole Foods has around 20 of those on tap (growler available)! It is now fun to go "shopping" with my wife (I sit at the bar and sample 2 or 3 (or 4...OK 5), she gets a wine or beer and shops for an hour)


You're right, sometimes they just haven't had other beer. That hasn't always been the case though. Some people just don't seem to like the flavor of barley and (good) hops, or at least don't consider it worth paying a premium.
 
2012-11-17 05:05:30 PM  

sammyk: One thing I've noticed that I don't think the big boys have an answer for is the recent rise in beer houses. They have been popping up all over the place lately and the craft beers are the clear favorite. One of the houses here in Charlotte refuses to serve anything that is not a craft beer. I've talked top the owner and he says he will go out of business before he sells a Budweiser. The place is packed every night. If your in the area it's called VBGB. it's been highlighted on the show "drinking made easy". Fun place great beers and they always have some thing new to try.


I love VBGB. I need to go back again.
 
2012-11-17 05:07:27 PM  

alienated: clowncar on fire: how much did the glass carboy (presumeably 6 gallon) set you back?

Well, I have a bunch of 5 gallons that I bought used for about 5 bucks each, and my 6 gallon ones were 20 bucks, also used. 30 is a decent price for a 6 gallon.
The buckets cost more as a : food grade- important and b: its an odd size.
And correct on pickle buckets- do not bother unless making pickled flavoured beer- plastic absorbs things and the amount of concentrated peroxide needed ( which is dangerous) is cost prohibitive from anyone doing it.


So you wouldn't recommend using the leftover 7 gallon containers from sterilant used in our hospital sterilizers. You can string them together and place a platform on them and make a serviceable party raft, install a cheap 6 inch ceiling type full range speaker and stuff the container with fiber filling making a decent but durable tailgating speaker, but I'm supposed to now believe they are not up to snuff when brewing beer?
 
2012-11-17 05:10:27 PM  

sammyk: dickfreckle: Not sure if it still counts as a "craft" beer, but this is what we drink in New Orleans:

And because it's sweet, this is a good breakfast beer. Goes down easy:

Love them both. Only place I can get them in Charlotte is at a few of our cajun restaurants and world of beer


best beer by Abita is definitely Turbo Dog. Hands down great brown.
 
2012-11-17 05:14:21 PM  

clowncar on fire: ...
The good news is that i have everything I need- short of a 6 gallon pot and fresh grains and hops to have a go at it by myself. Can anyone recommend a good lager-like first timers recipe? I want to go easy on the hops, maybe something with carmelized oats but not much more intricate than that. Definitely do not want to attempt a lager as I won't have much control over the lower temperatures nor timetable required to make a decent lager.


Try a Kolsch
 
2012-11-17 05:15:37 PM  

clowncar on fire: So you wouldn't recommend using the leftover 7 gallon containers from sterilant used in our hospital sterilizers.


Well, I would use nothing plastic that has held anything but h2o, but thats just me.
 
2012-11-17 05:16:03 PM  

alienated: I would add- the last times that I did brew, I used 1/2 bbl kegs as fermenters- caustic soda soak and scrub, rinse, rinse rinse, test water, rinse, putting a couple of gallons of water in , place on burner, steam sanitise, cap with foil after- ready to go. Plus, Stainless doesnt crack if ones wort chiller is not working and the thing is in a water bath. YMMV.


I was going to place my pot in sub room temp water (bath tup or sink) and then add bags of ice to cool it down. Do you think this would damage my pot? Would you recommend aluminum over stainless in this regard?
/now I know for sure that it's not the money but the paranoia that's been delaying my first batch
 
2012-11-17 05:16:56 PM  
While Ohio has its faults, we have 5 distributors in Cincinnati, at least 4 micro/nano breweries, a Rock Bottom, and two large homebrew clubs. I have a keg of homebrewed KBS clone in the basement we brewed as a project and aged in a bourbon barrel. I'm not worried.
 
2012-11-17 05:19:11 PM  

clowncar on fire: I was going to place my pot in sub room temp water (bath tup or sink) and then add bags of ice to cool it down. Do you think this would damage my pot? Would you recommend aluminum over stainless in this regard?
/now I know for sure that it's not the money but the paranoia that's been delaying my first batch


Stainless is the way to go.


More states are allowing self distribution of beer for smaller brewers. North Carolina within the last few years has allowed any brewery brewing less than 25k barrels a year to self distribute. This will help a lot with being able to get around the big distributors, but you still have to convince stores/bars to give you shelf space/taps.
 
2012-11-17 05:19:20 PM  

clowncar on fire: /now I know for sure that it's not the money but the paranoia that's been delaying my first batch


You should know that few first batches are great. If it's drinkable (which usually means, it didn't spoil) you're doing fine. From there you can fine tune the recipes and your methods.
 
2012-11-17 05:20:05 PM  

TravelinJones: While Ohio has its faults, we have 5 distributors in Cincinnati, at least 4 micro/nano breweries, a Rock Bottom, and two large homebrew clubs. I have a keg of homebrewed KBS clone in the basement we brewed as a project and aged in a bourbon barrel. I'm not worried.


TravelinJones: While Ohio has its faults, we have 5 distributors in Cincinnati, at least 4 micro/nano breweries, a Rock Bottom, and two large homebrew clubs. I have a keg of homebrewed KBS clone in the basement we brewed as a project and aged in a bourbon barrel. I'm not worried.


I forgot to mention 2 Jungle Jim's and there's always Party Source across the river.
 
2012-11-17 05:20:51 PM  

St_Francis_P: You should know that few first batches are great. If it's drinkable (which usually means, it didn't spoil) you're doing fine. From there you can fine tune the recipes and your methods.


Just to expand on this, if you can boil water you can brew beer. Just jump in and do it clowncar.
 
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