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2012-11-17 04:02:42 PM
7 votes:
I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.
2012-11-17 01:58:09 PM
7 votes:

bronyaur1: What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?

Just asking questions....


Probably the same as any other FFL-holder, relative to sales volume.
2012-11-17 04:18:06 PM
4 votes:
Did everyone else miss this part?
"firearms are not typically shipped to or stored at the residence."
2012-11-17 03:42:03 PM
4 votes:

bronyaur1: What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?

Just asking questions....


Assuming that most of the dealers do about the same level of business (high volume ones will be on the far end of a bell curve I bet) and that there are about 250,000 FFLs int he US, and we get a mass shooting every, well, we'll say 2 years.

That's 500,000 "dealer years" between shootings.

So, there's your answer. 500,000 years.
2012-11-17 05:04:01 PM
3 votes:

HotWingAgenda: I'm as pro-gun control as anyone else (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops). But this is a total non-story. This guy is in compliance with the law, whether or not the law is in compliance with the Constitution.


Woo-Hoo! I get to pull this out again:

10 USC 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


The age limit goes up to 55 if you served in the military at some point. So, since I'm an able-bodied male over 17, under 45 and am a citizen of the United States, I guess I'm Constitutionally in the clear, even by your standards. And nowhere in that law does it say the militia members need to maintain their weapons in an armory, or attend training.
2012-11-17 04:08:47 PM
3 votes:

iheartscotch: From what I gather, the main objection is this guy doesn't have a storefront.

Some towns won't let you obtain a FFL without a storefront; but it looks like this one will. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.


Firearm restriction advocates are rarely rational.
2012-11-17 04:29:33 PM
2 votes:

HotWingAgenda: I'm as pro-gun control as anyone else (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops). But this is a total non-story. This guy is in compliance with the law, whether or not the law is in compliance with the Constitution.


National Guard wasn't even thought of until 100 years after the 2nd was written. And, SCOTUS has ruled that only military type arms are protected (Miller v US) and that having a gun is in fact an individual right (Heller).

Go try again... but first, fill out this paperwork, do a background check, and wait for 3 to 10 days before exercising your first amendment rights again. And go thru the same process each and every time you want to.
2012-11-17 04:22:25 PM
2 votes:
Geez, would they rather he sell drugs from the condo? They guy has a legit online business. He's not hiding anything and has all the necessary paperwork.

His nosy neighbors need to get jobs and mind their own business.
2012-11-17 04:22:00 PM
2 votes:
I'm as pro-gun control as anyone else (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops). But this is a total non-story. This guy is in compliance with the law, whether or not the law is in compliance with the Constitution.
2012-11-17 04:18:27 PM
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Fark It: BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.

Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.

I know a few guys who do this. There's no point in robbing them then any other home; they don't keep inventory. All guns are shipped to them only when someone buys one.


Sources say there's also a higher chance they're armed..
2012-11-17 04:04:27 PM
2 votes:

Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps


People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.
2012-11-17 03:28:45 PM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.


Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.
2012-11-17 07:23:59 PM
1 votes:
Link

LasersHurt: HeadLever: Abox:
And better yet, even though Obama hasn't asked for or signed any gun control legislation, the Teabaggers think he has so we can call it a concession!

Just so you know, that bold part is false.

I think I know to what you are referring, and if I recall correctly YOU are wrong, but could you refresh me with some proof?


When he proposed the AWB ban back in 2009?

The Obama administration will seek to reinstate the assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 during the Bush administration, Attorney General Eric Holder said today.


And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced.
2012-11-17 07:04:43 PM
1 votes:

Abox:
And better yet, even though Obama hasn't asked for or signed any gun control legislation, the Teabaggers think he has so we can call it a concession!


Just so you know, that bold part is false.
2012-11-17 05:16:17 PM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: i.r.id10t: And, SCOTUS has ruled that wharrgarrrbl

The Supreme Court has also ruled in the past that black people have to be kept separate from white people. They are clearly susceptible to being dead wrong about what the Constitution says.

And well-regulated militias were in existence at the time of the drafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as evidenced by the fact that they f*cking specified that the 2nd Amendment was for their benefit. The amendment was written in to appease anti-Federalists who were concerned about the Federal government using its armed forces to dominate the state governments.


Care to weigh in on these, dumbass?

The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. - Samuel Adams

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. - Alexander Hamilton

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor... - George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. - Richard Henry Lee 1788

And last but not least:
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington
2012-11-17 05:10:04 PM
1 votes:

sweet-daddy-2: titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.

Saw
/Slingblade
//Texas Chainsaw.......
guess it depends on the neighborhood


So in every ( fictional no less) example you present the person is the problem not the tool.
2012-11-17 04:45:34 PM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: i.r.id10t: And, SCOTUS has ruled that wharrgarrrbl

The Supreme Court has also ruled in the past that black people have to be kept separate from white people. They are clearly susceptible to being dead wrong about what the Constitution says.

And well-regulated militias were in existence at the time of the drafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as evidenced by the fact that they f*cking specified that the 2nd Amendment was for their benefit. The amendment was written in to appease anti-Federalists who were concerned about the Federal government using its armed forces to dominate the state governments.


So, an individual right to keep and bear arms is an injustice that is on par with segregation and Jim Crow?
2012-11-17 04:33:29 PM
1 votes:

bubo_sibiricus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps

People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.


In other words, you have to argue from an inferior position.
2012-11-17 04:26:46 PM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops).


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2012-11-17 04:13:52 PM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.

Jesus was a carpenter. Why can't I wear a set of six shooters to Sunday mass?


I do not know. I am an atheist, but no law in Kentucky prohibits me from entering a church while carrying a firearm.
2012-11-17 04:05:28 PM
1 votes:

Fark It: BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.

Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.


I know a few guys who do this. There's no point in robbing them then any other home; they don't keep inventory. All guns are shipped to them only when someone buys one.
2012-11-17 03:14:42 PM
1 votes:
I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.
2012-11-17 02:54:21 PM
1 votes:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Outrage and hyperbole?

THIS IS THE BAZILLIONTH DAMN TIME YOU'VE SAID SUCH THINGS, SUBBY


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