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2012-11-17 12:49:48 PM
Outrage and hyperbole?

THIS IS THE BAZILLIONTH DAMN TIME YOU'VE SAID SUCH THINGS, SUBBY
 
2012-11-17 01:19:21 PM
What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?

Just asking questions....
 
2012-11-17 01:58:09 PM

bronyaur1: What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?

Just asking questions....


Probably the same as any other FFL-holder, relative to sales volume.
 
2012-11-17 02:02:31 PM

Fark It: Probably the same as any other FFL-holder, relative to sales volume.


I was told there would be no math.
 
2012-11-17 02:22:23 PM
i1079.photobucket.com
Ladies and gentlemen, I've been to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and I can say without hyperbole that this is a million times worse than all of them put together.
 
2012-11-17 02:54:21 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Outrage and hyperbole?

THIS IS THE BAZILLIONTH DAMN TIME YOU'VE SAID SUCH THINGS, SUBBY


This comment will be the highlight of this thread
 
2012-11-17 03:14:42 PM
I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.
 
2012-11-17 03:28:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.


Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.
 
2012-11-17 03:42:03 PM

bronyaur1: What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?

Just asking questions....


Assuming that most of the dealers do about the same level of business (high volume ones will be on the far end of a bell curve I bet) and that there are about 250,000 FFLs int he US, and we get a mass shooting every, well, we'll say 2 years.

That's 500,000 "dealer years" between shootings.

So, there's your answer. 500,000 years.
 
2012-11-17 03:57:47 PM
Say bye bye to guns california. Democraps have a super duper veto-proof majority.
 
2012-11-17 04:02:42 PM
I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.
 
2012-11-17 04:04:27 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps


People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.
 
2012-11-17 04:04:54 PM
From what I gather, the main objection is this guy doesn't have a storefront.

Some towns won't let you obtain a FFL without a storefront; but it looks like this one will. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
 
2012-11-17 04:05:28 PM

Fark It: BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.

Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.


I know a few guys who do this. There's no point in robbing them then any other home; they don't keep inventory. All guns are shipped to them only when someone buys one.
 
2012-11-17 04:05:43 PM

jbuist: we get a mass shooting every, well, we'll say 2 years


I assume you meant "months", not "years".
 
2012-11-17 04:08:47 PM

iheartscotch: From what I gather, the main objection is this guy doesn't have a storefront.

Some towns won't let you obtain a FFL without a storefront; but it looks like this one will. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.


Firearm restriction advocates are rarely rational.
 
2012-11-17 04:10:18 PM

titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.


When getting wood is outlawed, only outlaws will get wood.
 
2012-11-17 04:10:33 PM

titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.


Jesus was a carpenter. Why can't I wear a set of six shooters to Sunday mass?
 
2012-11-17 04:11:13 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Fark It: BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.

Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.

I know a few guys who do this. There's no point in robbing them then any other home; they don't keep inventory. All guns are shipped to them only when someone buys one.


Do they do it as a main source of income or just on the side? Do you know how much they make?
 
2012-11-17 04:13:52 PM

KrispyKritter: titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.

Jesus was a carpenter. Why can't I wear a set of six shooters to Sunday mass?


I do not know. I am an atheist, but no law in Kentucky prohibits me from entering a church while carrying a firearm.
 
2012-11-17 04:18:06 PM
Did everyone else miss this part?
"firearms are not typically shipped to or stored at the residence."
 
2012-11-17 04:18:27 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Fark It: BarkingUnicorn: I can understand the neighbors' concern about potential mayhem. If you're going to rob a place that you think is full of guns and people who love them, you are not going to do it with a water pistol and a polite note.

OTOH, how easy is it to find the street address of an online gun dealer? Is there a public database of licensed gun dealers? I imagine the dealer publishes only a PO box.

Yes.

A home-based FFL is probably less-likely to get knocked off than a B&M gun store. A home is going to be more likely to be occupied. And there's no way a small FFL without a physical storefront is going to stock as much merchandise as even a smaller store.

I know a few guys who do this. There's no point in robbing them then any other home; they don't keep inventory. All guns are shipped to them only when someone buys one.


Sources say there's also a higher chance they're armed..
 
2012-11-17 04:18:40 PM
I purchased my mossberg from a home based ffl so I am getting a kick....
 
2012-11-17 04:22:00 PM
I'm as pro-gun control as anyone else (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops). But this is a total non-story. This guy is in compliance with the law, whether or not the law is in compliance with the Constitution.
 
2012-11-17 04:22:25 PM
Geez, would they rather he sell drugs from the condo? They guy has a legit online business. He's not hiding anything and has all the necessary paperwork.

His nosy neighbors need to get jobs and mind their own business.
 
2012-11-17 04:26:46 PM

HotWingAgenda: (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops).


i154.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-17 04:29:26 PM

bronyaur1: What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?



Never....because California has really strict gun laws and nobody ever gets shot there.
 
2012-11-17 04:29:33 PM

HotWingAgenda: I'm as pro-gun control as anyone else (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops). But this is a total non-story. This guy is in compliance with the law, whether or not the law is in compliance with the Constitution.


National Guard wasn't even thought of until 100 years after the 2nd was written. And, SCOTUS has ruled that only military type arms are protected (Miller v US) and that having a gun is in fact an individual right (Heller).

Go try again... but first, fill out this paperwork, do a background check, and wait for 3 to 10 days before exercising your first amendment rights again. And go thru the same process each and every time you want to.
 
2012-11-17 04:29:53 PM

tukatz: Geez, would they rather he sell drugs from the condo? They guy has a legit online business. He's not hiding anything and has all the necessary paperwork.

His nosy neighbors need to get jobs and mind their own business.


But that would cut into the time they need to keep tabs on their list of suspects.

/He has a funny name, so you KNOW he's up to no good
 
2012-11-17 04:32:55 PM

HotWingAgenda: the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops


But, that's wrong....
 
2012-11-17 04:33:08 PM

Cyrus the Mediocre: titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.

When getting wood is outlawed, only outlaws will get wood.


I've got wood right now. What do I win?
 
2012-11-17 04:33:29 PM

bubo_sibiricus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps

People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.


In other words, you have to argue from an inferior position.
 
2012-11-17 04:34:40 PM
"Rico Tedjakusuma" is now the main protagonist of my retro-future cyberpunk novella.
 
2012-11-17 04:36:59 PM

jbuist: bronyaur1: What is the over/under for how long before a mass shooting is committed by some nut who bought his weapon at this place?

Just asking questions....

Assuming that most of the dealers do about the same level of business (high volume ones will be on the far end of a bell curve I bet) and that there are about 250,000 FFLs int he US, and we get a mass shooting every, well, we'll say 2 years.

That's 500,000 "dealer years" between shootings.

So, there's your answer. 500,000 years.


"We're not going to let our anti-gun campaign be dictated by fact-checkers."
 
2012-11-17 04:40:20 PM

jbuist: ...we get a mass shooting every, well, we'll say 2 years.


Except we've had more than a dozen this year alone.

Link

Bad math is bad.
 
2012-11-17 04:41:28 PM

i.r.id10t: And, SCOTUS has ruled that

wharrgarrrbl

The Supreme Court has also ruled in the past that black people have to be kept separate from white people. They are clearly susceptible to being dead wrong about what the Constitution says.

And well-regulated militias were in existence at the time of the drafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as evidenced by the fact that they f*cking specified that the 2nd Amendment was for their benefit. The amendment was written in to appease anti-Federalists who were concerned about the Federal government using its armed forces to dominate the state governments.
 
2012-11-17 04:41:34 PM

titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.


Saw
/Slingblade
//Texas Chainsaw.......

guess it depends on the neighborhood
 
2012-11-17 04:42:30 PM

bubo_sibiricus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps

People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.



Cliches that earn a kick in the nads (and you can put yours on the list):

Sheeple
Drinking the Kool-Aid
Amerika (or any c replaced with a k to denote...I don't know, something)
 
2012-11-17 04:42:34 PM
My guy works out of his garage.His used stock primarily comes from estate sales in a pretty affluent area. There isn't much to browse, but if you know what you're getting, or you're keeping an eye on his stock, you can get some awesome stuff. I just scored a sweet 1912 Swedism Mauser in pristine condition.
 
2012-11-17 04:45:34 PM

HotWingAgenda: i.r.id10t: And, SCOTUS has ruled that wharrgarrrbl

The Supreme Court has also ruled in the past that black people have to be kept separate from white people. They are clearly susceptible to being dead wrong about what the Constitution says.

And well-regulated militias were in existence at the time of the drafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as evidenced by the fact that they f*cking specified that the 2nd Amendment was for their benefit. The amendment was written in to appease anti-Federalists who were concerned about the Federal government using its armed forces to dominate the state governments.


So, an individual right to keep and bear arms is an injustice that is on par with segregation and Jim Crow?
 
2012-11-17 04:45:38 PM

i.r.id10t: National Guard wasn't even thought of until 100 years after the 2nd was written.


But the body of the Constitution refers to the militia as something Fartbongo is Commander in Chief of. It also says the militia is there to put down insurrections and invasions. So there's that.

Just because it wasn't called "National Guard" doesn't mean the well regulated militia isn't in the Constitution.

And I wouldn't give much credence to the so-called "thinking" of Scalia, Thomas and friends. Talk about your activist judges legislating from the bench.

NTTAWWT.
 
2012-11-17 04:46:35 PM

pounddawg: I purchased my mossberg from a home based ffl so I am getting a kick....


I see what you did there.
 
2012-11-17 04:53:34 PM

Abox: Cliches that earn a kick in the nads (and you can put yours on the list):

Sheeple
Drinking the Kool-Aid
Amerika (or any c replaced with a k to denote...I don't know, something)


I moved to Switzerland last year for grad school and that's how it's spelled in German, so it took a bit of de-meming myself to adapt to that spelling. It still sometimes sticks out to me when I'm reading a newspaper or something that mentions the US.
 
2012-11-17 05:01:13 PM
Pleasant Hills is populated by Prius driving upper middle class soccer moms with too much free time on their hands. Don't expect logic and reason to have any affect on them when it comes to protecting their precious little snowflakes from the horrors of legal gun sales.
 
2012-11-17 05:04:01 PM

HotWingAgenda: I'm as pro-gun control as anyone else (the 2nd amendment only guarantees a well-regulated militia's right to bear arms, i.e. the police and National Guard troops). But this is a total non-story. This guy is in compliance with the law, whether or not the law is in compliance with the Constitution.


Woo-Hoo! I get to pull this out again:

10 USC 311
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


The age limit goes up to 55 if you served in the military at some point. So, since I'm an able-bodied male over 17, under 45 and am a citizen of the United States, I guess I'm Constitutionally in the clear, even by your standards. And nowhere in that law does it say the militia members need to maintain their weapons in an armory, or attend training.
 
2012-11-17 05:05:32 PM

Abox: bubo_sibiricus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps

People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.


Cliches that earn a kick in the nads (and you can put yours on the list):

Sheeple
Drinking the Kool-Aid
Amerika (or any c replaced with a k to denote...I don't know, something)


Crapple
Government Motors
Rethuglicans (wait, I think that one is cool on Fark)
 
2012-11-17 05:06:12 PM

bubo_sibiricus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps

People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.


Easy there pal, you are insulting about 95% of fark posters
 
2012-11-17 05:10:04 PM

sweet-daddy-2: titwrench: I have a garage full of tools and miraculously there isn't a rash of carpentry going in in my neighborhood. This is a non issue.

Saw
/Slingblade
//Texas Chainsaw.......
guess it depends on the neighborhood


So in every ( fictional no less) example you present the person is the problem not the tool.
 
2012-11-17 05:16:14 PM

kombat_unit: bubo_sibiricus: Britney Spear's Speculum: Democraps

People who phrase things like this, along with spelling Microsoft as Micro$oft or Microshaft and Linux as Loonix are emotional children.

Easy there pal, you are insulting about 95% of fark posters


man, his troll hits must be over 9000!
 
2012-11-17 05:16:17 PM

HotWingAgenda: i.r.id10t: And, SCOTUS has ruled that wharrgarrrbl

The Supreme Court has also ruled in the past that black people have to be kept separate from white people. They are clearly susceptible to being dead wrong about what the Constitution says.

And well-regulated militias were in existence at the time of the drafting of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, as evidenced by the fact that they f*cking specified that the 2nd Amendment was for their benefit. The amendment was written in to appease anti-Federalists who were concerned about the Federal government using its armed forces to dominate the state governments.


Care to weigh in on these, dumbass?

The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. - Samuel Adams

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. - Alexander Hamilton

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor... - George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. - Richard Henry Lee 1788

And last but not least:
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington
 
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