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2012-11-17 07:25:06 AM
Shut up and take the money I don't have.
 
2012-11-17 07:49:39 AM
BMW makes some of the finest, most durable, beautiful motorcycles in existence. They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.
 
2012-11-17 08:00:26 AM

LittleSmitty: They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.

Indeed.
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2012-11-17 08:26:32 AM

LittleSmitty: They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.


And some of the hottest

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2012-11-17 08:38:11 AM

WhyteRaven74: LittleSmitty: They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.

And some of the hottest

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That's the RR1000S right? 197 BHP or thereabouts IIRC.

I couln't own that. Too tempting
 
2012-11-17 08:43:21 AM

Cheese eating surrender monkey: LittleSmitty: They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.
Indeed.
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hey now....
 
2012-11-17 08:49:11 AM

FlashHarry: Cheese eating surrender monkey: LittleSmitty: They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.
Indeed.
[img401.imageshack.us image 522x709]

hey now....


Now now, I acknowleged they do make beautiful motorcycles, but you have to admit, they make a couple models that are just fugly by any measure. Hard to beat their reliability, and the fit and finish is top notch, even on the ugly ones.
 
2012-11-17 08:54:40 AM
Bringing the R100 back, eh? Nice, but I'll keep my S2R 1000. Hate boxer engines in bikes. Last thing I need to worry about is dragging engine. I already lost a toe slider this Autumn.

Always loved the look of the old R frames. Just need to plop a V-twin in there like a proper hooligan.
 
2012-11-17 09:10:50 AM

LittleSmitty: Hard to beat their reliability, and the fit and finish is top notch, even on the ugly ones.


The old reliability rep is no longer deserved. The quality has dropped in the last five years or so and it's got as bad as the Italians. Great example the 650GS given to Motorcycle News on a long term test had one of the exhaust cans fall off during normal road riding. Plus the front mudguard fell off and the paint is bubbling and the frame is starting to rust. All on a bike under 6 months old.

Even the police R1200RT's have had massive issues with the paint work and rusting, far more than the pan europeans and fjr1300's they used to use.
 
2012-11-17 09:11:07 AM

Kuroshin: Bringing the R100 back, eh? Nice, but I'll keep my S2R 1000. Hate boxer engines in bikes. Last thing I need to worry about is dragging engine. I already lost a toe slider this Autumn.

Always loved the look of the old R frames. Just need to plop a V-twin in there like a proper hooligan.


Meh. Boxers keep your toes warm when it's cold out.
 
2012-11-17 09:12:33 AM
I'd hit [the road with] it.
 
2012-11-17 09:46:32 AM

ChubbyTiger: Kuroshin: Bringing the R100 back, eh? Nice, but I'll keep my S2R 1000. Hate boxer engines in bikes. Last thing I need to worry about is dragging engine. I already lost a toe slider this Autumn.

Always loved the look of the old R frames. Just need to plop a V-twin in there like a proper hooligan.

Meh. Boxers keep your toes warm when it's cold out.


So do boots. But I guess the engine being in the way just means you've got an excuse to hang off like Laverty.
 
2012-11-17 09:48:11 AM

LittleSmitty: That's the RR1000S right? 197 BHP or thereabouts IIRC.


S1000RR in race trim.

I've ridden one. It was fun, but not really my style. While it was more comfortable than I expected, I'll stick to my Hayabusa-flavored drinks.
 
2012-11-17 09:55:03 AM
retro

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2012-11-17 10:39:24 AM

LittleSmitty: BMW makes some of the finest, most durable, beautiful motorcycles in existence. They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.



Fixed that for ya!
 
2012-11-17 10:39:56 AM
If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.
 
2012-11-17 10:45:05 AM

vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.


For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?
 
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2012-11-17 11:10:52 AM

TwistedIvory: For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?


I really want a Ural. I need to get rid of the few bikes first.
 
2012-11-17 11:52:48 AM

Cheese eating surrender monkey: Shut up and take the money I don't have.


Indeed!

Link

/sold my '68 R60US Airhead last summer...will be ready for a new bike come spring
 
2012-11-17 11:53:33 AM

Stone Meadow: Cheese eating surrender monkey: Shut up and take the money I don't have.

Indeed!

Link

/sold my '68 R60US Airhead last summer...will be ready for a new bike come spring


Oops!

www.woodworkingtalk.com
 
2012-11-17 11:53:36 AM

LittleSmitty: Hard to beat their reliability, and the fit and finish is top notch, even on the ugly ones.


Their reputation for reliability has taken an apparently well-deserved beating, those last years. If you want reliable, Honda is the name of the game
 
2012-11-17 12:07:42 PM
Sweet looking bike. I have a 1985 k100 that's the most comfortable bike I've ever been on. I'll definitely check this one out.

Although, I have a 1990 Ducati that's also ridiculously comfortable and the Diavel didn't do too much for me. I need to give that one another try.

And Charlie Boorman might be one of the coolest guys on the planet.
 
2012-11-17 12:14:47 PM
A smarter choice would be to find an old R bike in decent condition and just keep it properly maintained. Wont be as shiny of course but will last you a hellova lot longer than whatever they make nowadays.

Will also cost less than 1/10th as much. They were much better bikes back when the Bavarians made all the parts :(
 
2012-11-17 12:32:37 PM

vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.


I want this bike so much. I'm afraid to look to find out how much it goes for, with the sidecar.
 
2012-11-17 12:47:20 PM

TwistedIvory: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?


Dang nabbit!

/mumble mumble get a ural mumble...
 
2012-11-17 12:56:50 PM

Arachnophobe: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

I want this bike so much. I'm afraid to look to find out how much it goes for, with the sidecar.


whither_apophis: TwistedIvory: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?

Dang nabbit!

/mumble mumble get a ural mumble...


You guys must have never ridden a pre-70 BMW airhead, which ultimately these both are copies of. They're absolutely horrible. Death defying at anything over about 45 mph. Like they were designed and built by a guy in his garage.

I finally quit riding mine and sold it to buy a bike with a modern suspension.
 
2012-11-17 01:04:13 PM

Stone Meadow: Arachnophobe: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

I want this bike so much. I'm afraid to look to find out how much it goes for, with the sidecar.

whither_apophis: TwistedIvory: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?

Dang nabbit!

/mumble mumble get a ural mumble...

You guys must have never ridden a pre-70 BMW airhead, which ultimately these both are copies of. They're absolutely horrible. Death defying at anything over about 45 mph. Like they were designed and built by a guy in his garage.

I finally quit riding mine and sold it to buy a bike with a modern suspension.


Personally, I just love the way it looks. Should I ever actually get my license and enough disposable income after I get my Honda Shadow, I'd want the Chang for local riding around town. So no going over 40 anyway. :)

Given my almost non-existent knowledge of bikes, I'm willing to bet there's a far superior version that maintains that awesome WW2 look.
 
2012-11-17 01:09:31 PM

LittleSmitty: BMW makes some of the finest, most durable, beautiful motorcycles in existence. They also make some of the ugliest things on two wheels.


Form follows function in this case. Yeah, very few BMWs were aesthetically pleasing, but every last one of them could survive a tour of Congo. For my first ten years of riding, it was all I rode. Mostly airheads, but a couple of K-bikes as well. You simply can't kill a BMW, and believe me, I've tried.

/had an R90/6 with over 100k on it, and never had to split the cases
//rode it from Charleston, SC to San Francisco
///currently ride a Triumph, but there are many things I miss about beemers
/except the cost of parts, and burning my shins on the cylinders
 
2012-11-17 01:14:33 PM

Arachnophobe: Given my almost non-existent knowledge of bikes, I'm willing to bet there's a far superior version that maintains that awesome WW2 look.


Yeah, it's called a BMW. ;^)

BMW developed the same basic chassis design from before WW2 through the 1969 model (IIRC) and then gave up on it. Subsequent BMW motorcycles look similar, but are far superior designs. 1970's and 80's Beemers are cheaper than the earlier ones and far better mechanically and design-wise.
 
2012-11-17 01:17:05 PM
It'll be well outside of my price range for a motorcycle and probably just as droolworthy.
 
2012-11-17 01:18:19 PM

Arachnophobe: Given my almost non-existent knowledge of bikes, I'm willing to bet there's a far superior version that maintains that awesome WW2 look.


That would be a Ural. Good luck keeping it on the road, though.

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2012-11-17 01:30:19 PM

dickfreckle: That would be a Ural. Good luck keeping it on the road, though.


I think I saw one of those at a motorcycle museum I went to... I'll see if I can find the pics.
 
2012-11-17 01:48:31 PM

Stone Meadow: Arachnophobe: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

I want this bike so much. I'm afraid to look to find out how much it goes for, with the sidecar.

whither_apophis: TwistedIvory: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?

Dang nabbit!

/mumble mumble get a ural mumble...

You guys must have never ridden a pre-70 BMW airhead, which ultimately these both are copies of. They're absolutely horrible. Death defying at anything over about 45 mph. Like they were designed and built by a guy in his garage.

I finally quit riding mine and sold it to buy a bike with a modern suspension.


I didn't say I wanted one, just if you want retro, retro is still being made.

/Enfield thumper ftw!
 
2012-11-17 02:01:36 PM

whither_apophis: /Enfield thumper ftw!


Ooooh, I forgot about them. Have always wanted to ride one, even if it is a thumper.
 
2012-11-17 02:50:06 PM
Nope... didn't find that bike with the sidecar there. Did find this old BMW in the pictures though:

www.johncathcart.com
www.johncathcart.com

It was in a really small hallway at the museum though, so I couldn't get a good shot from the side.
 
2012-11-17 03:21:23 PM

JohnnyC: dickfreckle: That would be a Ural. Good luck keeping it on the road, though.

I think I saw one of those at a motorcycle museum I went to... I'll see if I can find the pics.


Someone parks one on the street around the corner from where I work in San Francisco. It's very cool.
 
2012-11-17 03:54:33 PM

Kuroshin: Bringing the R100 back, eh? Nice, but I'll keep my S2R 1000. Hate boxer engines in bikes. Last thing I need to worry about is dragging engine. I already lost a toe slider this Autumn.

Always loved the look of the old R frames. Just need to plop a V-twin in there like a proper hooligan.


Triumph Street Triple.
 
2012-11-17 03:58:44 PM

whither_apophis: Stone Meadow: Arachnophobe: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

I want this bike so much. I'm afraid to look to find out how much it goes for, with the sidecar.

whither_apophis: TwistedIvory: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?

Dang nabbit!

/mumble mumble get a ural mumble...

You guys must have never ridden a pre-70 BMW airhead, which ultimately these both are copies of. They're absolutely horrible. Death defying at anything over about 45 mph. Like they were designed and built by a guy in his garage.

I finally quit riding mine and sold it to buy a bike with a modern suspension.

I didn't say I wanted one, just if you want retro, retro is still being made.

/Enfield thumper ftw!


The new Enfields are shiat. Shoddily manufactured and wicked under-powered. It's about a half step above a moped, but less reliable.

The carbureted new Bonnevilles are awesome, though. I'm not a big fan of the newest fuel-injected ones with the mag wheels, but only for aesthetic reasons.

/sort of a Triumph fan boy.
 
2012-11-17 04:30:57 PM
I used to work with a guy who was as biker as it gets. Fat, long hair & beard, listened to heavy metal, knew his drugs, rode several Harleys. One day he came riding into work on a BMW motorcycle. I asked him what was up with that...he laughed and said "dont tell anyone, but this is by far the favorite bike Ive got".
 
2012-11-17 04:46:30 PM

Angry Buddha: whither_apophis: Stone Meadow: Arachnophobe: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

I want this bike so much. I'm afraid to look to find out how much it goes for, with the sidecar.

whither_apophis: TwistedIvory: vinniethepoo: If you really want a retro boxer, get a Chang Jiang.

For when a Ural Gear-Up is just too high-tech?

Dang nabbit!

/mumble mumble get a ural mumble...

You guys must have never ridden a pre-70 BMW airhead, which ultimately these both are copies of. They're absolutely horrible. Death defying at anything over about 45 mph. Like they were designed and built by a guy in his garage.

I finally quit riding mine and sold it to buy a bike with a modern suspension.

I didn't say I wanted one, just if you want retro, retro is still being made.

/Enfield thumper ftw!

The new Enfields are shiat. Shoddily manufactured and wicked under-powered. It's about a half step above a moped, but less reliable.

The carbureted new Bonnevilles are awesome, though. I'm not a big fan of the newest fuel-injected ones with the mag wheels, but only for aesthetic reasons.

/sort of a Triumph fan boy.


I want a Street Triple so much.
 
2012-11-17 05:01:58 PM

Norfolking Chance: LittleSmitty: Hard to beat their reliability, and the fit and finish is top notch, even on the ugly ones.

The old reliability rep is no longer deserved. The quality has dropped in the last five years or so and it's got as bad as the Italians. Great example the 650GS given to Motorcycle News on a long term test had one of the exhaust cans fall off during normal road riding. Plus the front mudguard fell off and the paint is bubbling and the frame is starting to rust. All on a bike under 6 months old.

Even the police R1200RT's have had massive issues with the paint work and rusting, far more than the pan europeans and fjr1300's they used to use.


"got as bad as the Italians"? in my younger day a faithful Moto Morini Cafe Sport took me to hell and back for the price of gas. never required attention, it merely commanded love and respect.
 
2012-11-17 05:53:46 PM

KrispyKritter: Norfolking Chance: LittleSmitty: Hard to beat their reliability, and the fit and finish is top notch, even on the ugly ones.

The old reliability rep is no longer deserved. The quality has dropped in the last five years or so and it's got as bad as the Italians. Great example the 650GS given to Motorcycle News on a long term test had one of the exhaust cans fall off during normal road riding. Plus the front mudguard fell off and the paint is bubbling and the frame is starting to rust. All on a bike under 6 months old.

Even the police R1200RT's have had massive issues with the paint work and rusting, far more than the pan europeans and fjr1300's they used to use.

"got as bad as the Italians"? in my younger day a faithful Moto Morini Cafe Sport took me to hell and back for the price of gas. never required attention, it merely commanded love and respect.


Don't get me wrong the Piagio group (Aprilla, Vespa, Moto Guzzi) and Ducati have really done a lot of good work getting their bikes more reliable but they are still sunny Sunday rides and can't take the day in day out commuting that the Japanese can.

Go back to the 70's, 80's and 90's and they make British bikes of the era look reliable.
 
2012-11-17 06:11:54 PM
do you know who else favored "retro" BMW motorcycles?
 
2012-11-17 08:49:28 PM

JohnnyC: Nope... didn't find that bike with the sidecar there. Did find this old BMW in the pictures though:

[www.johncathcart.com image 508x445]
[www.johncathcart.com image 508x445]

It was in a really small hallway at the museum though, so I couldn't get a good shot from the side.


You probably already know this, but the BMW logo is a spinning airplane propeller.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com

They were banned by treaty from manufacturing war engines, surviving by making bicycles of all things. 

I'll ride bikes that turn me on more (including my current one), but will probably never have the sort of relationship I had with beemers. They just kept going. And going. There was never anything particularly sexy about them, but sex appeal don't get ya home.
 
2012-11-17 10:07:38 PM

dickfreckle: JohnnyC: Nope... didn't find that bike with the sidecar there. Did find this old BMW in the pictures though:

[www.johncathcart.com image 508x445]
[www.johncathcart.com image 508x445]

It was in a really small hallway at the museum though, so I couldn't get a good shot from the side.

You probably already know this, but the BMW logo is a spinning airplane propeller.

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 344x120]

They were banned by treaty from manufacturing war engines, surviving by making bicycles of all things. 

I'll ride bikes that turn me on more (including my current one), but will probably never have the sort of relationship I had with beemers. They just kept going. And going. There was never anything particularly sexy about them, but sex appeal don't get ya home.


http://www.leftlanenews.com/living-a-lie-bmw-logo-not-based-on-spinn in g-propeller.html
 
2012-11-17 10:27:37 PM

Norfolking Chance: KrispyKritter: Norfolking Chance: LittleSmitty: Hard to beat their reliability, and the fit and finish is top notch, even on the ugly ones.

The old reliability rep is no longer deserved. The quality has dropped in the last five years or so and it's got as bad as the Italians. Great example the 650GS given to Motorcycle News on a long term test had one of the exhaust cans fall off during normal road riding. Plus the front mudguard fell off and the paint is bubbling and the frame is starting to rust. All on a bike under 6 months old.

Even the police R1200RT's have had massive issues with the paint work and rusting, far more than the pan europeans and fjr1300's they used to use.

"got as bad as the Italians"? in my younger day a faithful Moto Morini Cafe Sport took me to hell and back for the price of gas. never required attention, it merely commanded love and respect.

Don't get me wrong the Piagio group (Aprilla, Vespa, Moto Guzzi) and Ducati have really done a lot of good work getting their bikes more reliable but they are still sunny Sunday rides and can't take the day in day out commuting that the Japanese can.

Go back to the 70's, 80's and 90's and they make British bikes of the era look reliable.


Are you sure about that? I've ridden my Ducati Monster as a daily driver (no car) for years.
 
2012-11-17 10:33:51 PM

Karne: Are you sure about that? I've ridden my Ducati Monster as a daily driver (no car) for years.


I would HATE to ride my Monster (S4R) as a daily rider. No thanks! Too snatchy with the fueling. My KLR650 or SV650 work better for daily riders.

Angry Buddha: The carbureted new Bonnevilles are awesome, though. I'm not a big fan of the newest fuel-injected ones with the mag wheels, but only for aesthetic reasons.


Carburetors bite ass. I've built many and have many more to build (I have a bank of four on my workbench right now) and I vastly prefer EFI. The new Bonnies are way nicer.

ChubbyTiger: I want a Street Triple so much.


They're kind of fun. The 675cc is a decent mill, but I've been mildly disappointed with the bigger triple outputs (having owned a Sprint in 955i and a Sprint and Speed Triple in 1050 flavor).
 
2012-11-17 11:29:56 PM

xnmw: http://www.leftlanenews.com/living-a-lie-bmw-logo-not-based-on-spinn in g-propeller.html


I'd have to look more into this, but it was a fairly convincing link. If it turns out I'm wrong, at least I wouldn't be the first one. I could have sworn I received that info from BMW's own site, back when we all on dial-up.

But hey, I'm frequently wrong. Just not typically about motorcycles. It's probably the only thing I truly excel at.
 
2012-11-17 11:39:09 PM

TwistedIvory: They're kind of fun. The 675cc is a decent mill, but I've been mildly disappointed with the bigger triple outputs (having owned a Sprint in 955i and a Sprint and Speed Triple in 1050 flavor).


I've done both 955i and 1050 (I have a 955i motor in my living room, for no apparent reason). Frankly, there isn't a tremendous amount of difference. Both made me harvest seat foam with my ass cheeks in first gear alone.

The thing about the Triples is that you get most of top-end rush from a typical Japanese four-banger, and almost all the torque from an Italian twin. When you commute and do other mundane crap like I do, it's a total win.

I would whole-heartedly recommend the Street over the Speed for an urban rider who doesn't often rush past cows and try to sour their milk. Frankly, the Speed is total overkill for a city like mine. She's lighter and far more nimble. But those days when I'm off?

Oh hell yes.
 
2012-11-18 12:41:35 AM

dickfreckle: I've done both 955i and 1050 (I have a 955i motor in my living room, for no apparent reason). Frankly, there isn't a tremendous amount of difference. Both made me harvest seat foam with my ass cheeks in first gear alone.


And I was kind of underwhelmed, but my Italian twin is a 996cc Ducati engine and my Japanese four is a 1349cc Hayabusa engine. My Sprint ST would start to suck wind around 110 or 120mph on a spirited ride, and that bothered me. I expected a bit more.

For city commuting I take the KLR650 (though it's more dirt-oriented these days) and for highway droning I tend to take my SV650N. The Monster, B-King, and CX500T come out on other occasions (and one day my GSX-R 7/11 will rise again!).
 
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