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(Marin Independent Journal)   Man arrested by TSA for having a watch which contained all the components to possibly make a part of a bomb. In other news, don't ever let the TSA into your kitchen   (marinij.com) divider line 173
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2012-11-17 07:23:48 AM
All the parts except the most important bit, the bit that goes boom, without that all you have is an automatic light timer.
 
2012-11-17 07:32:15 AM
Guy should sue for false arrest. The article (very helpfully) gives the statute he was arrested under: "a person who possesses any substance, material, or any combination of substances or materials, with the intent to make any destructive device or any explosive without first obtaining a valid permit to make that destructive device or explosive, is guilty of a felony."

Not only is there an intent requirement, and they clearly don't have that here, but the officer admits that the only thing the guy might have been able to build would have been a trigger device, which is notably not a "destructive device" or "explosive."
 
2012-11-17 07:45:33 AM
the watch, which had a large leather strap with a protruding toggle switch, wires and fuses and a circuit board.

Yeah I'm okay with them pinching this guy.
 
2012-11-17 08:10:12 AM
"He was on a trip for work and he didn't have to check any bags. Everything didn't seem right. It didn't pass the smoke test."

Sweet Jesus. I travel for work nearly every week, and I haven't checked a bag in years.
 
2012-11-17 08:10:56 AM
TFA: Geoffrey McGann, 49, was arrested for felony possession of materials to make an explosive device and remains at Santa Rita Jail in Dublin on $150,000 bail.
words, words, more words...
A call to a Geoffrey McCann's home in Southern California was not answered Friday night.

Gee, I wonder why?
 
2012-11-17 08:34:59 AM
i159.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-17 08:53:09 AM
"It didn't pass the smoke test" That's a new one on me.
 
2012-11-17 08:56:00 AM
Unless you live in a group home for the developmentally disabled.
 
2012-11-17 08:56:09 AM
Seemed to me he tried to steampunk something and then showed up with it.
 
2012-11-17 08:57:37 AM
My thumbs have gone weird... Oh God, my heart's beating like a farked watch!
 
2012-11-17 08:58:13 AM
farking broken mobile app pushing site...
 
2012-11-17 09:02:04 AM

EvilEgg: without that all you have is an automatic light timer


Alarm clock.


Of course, if you took a big ben alarm clock, and duct taped it to a handfull of railroad flares, and stuck some wires in the mess, you could shut down Boston.
 
2012-11-17 09:02:30 AM
All the components to make a *part* of a bomb? Oh. My. God!

Thanks for keeping us all so safe and sound, T.S.A.

/end sarcasm
//didn't RTFA
 
Xai
2012-11-17 09:04:20 AM
So in america they arrest you for having bomb making supplies but no bomb?

So do i get arrested for having child abducting supplies (candy) or bank robbing supplies (paper, pen, pocket and banana)

Land of the free indeed...
 
2012-11-17 09:04:55 AM
If you think that's scary, you should see what some of us can do with the components found in every breath of air. Those can be made into a lot of deadly things, too.
 
2012-11-17 09:05:06 AM

EvilEgg: All the parts except the most important bit, the bit that goes boom, without that all you have is an automatic light timer.


Was he fat? He could have liposucted himself, rendered the fat, then skimmed off the nitroglycerin.
 
2012-11-17 09:05:27 AM
So he had a toggle switch, maybe some wire, a couple of electrical components, and he wore clothing unlike all the other drones that were in line. "Oh my God, he's got a bomb!!!"
This is why we need to start putting down more of these TSA dumbshiats, maybe round them up in a big truck with a cage in the back, then gas them all and throw them in the local landfill like we do with stray dogs. I don't know how anyone that works for the TSA would ever admit it in public for fear of being laughed at.
 
2012-11-17 09:07:45 AM
I used to have half of a 30-pin memory SIMM on one of my key chains because I'm a computer geek. I wonder if I could have been arrested for that because some moron thought it was part of a bomb.
 
2012-11-17 09:08:43 AM
Oh yeah, I have owned a few of these watches over the past 20 years

Casio F91W

/hand coding HTML on the mobile site is bloody hard.
 
2012-11-17 09:11:39 AM

hlehmann: maybe round them up in a big truck with a cage in the back, then gas them all and throw them in the local landfill like we do with stray dogs.


You know who else...
 
2012-11-17 09:12:50 AM

Xai: So in america they arrest you for having bomb making supplies but no bomb?

So do i get arrested for having child abducting supplies (candy) or bank robbing supplies (paper, pen, pocket and banana)


Actually, there's a lot of precedent for that. If you own semi-automatic firearm X and have the necessary parts, or even just knowledge and tools, to convert it to full-auto (can just be an Internet printout and a file), you legally own an unlicensed full-auto weapon and can be pinched.

As for "child abducting supplies"... if you want some lulz, try to pick up your kid from school without ID, sometime.

Land of the free indeed...

Some people would rather feel safe than be free.

/OTOH, freedom costs a buck-oh-five
 
2012-11-17 09:15:11 AM

Rincewind53: Guy should sue for false arrest. The article (very helpfully) gives the statute he was arrested under: "a person who possesses any substance, material, or any combination of substances or materials, with the intent to make any destructive device or any explosive without first obtaining a valid permit to make that destructive device or explosive, is guilty of a felony."

Not only is there an intent requirement, and they clearly don't have that here, but the officer admits that the only thing the guy might have been able to build would have been a trigger device, which is notably not a "destructive device" or "explosive."


The first part of the sentence boils down to: "Anyone who possesses anything with the intent..."

Proving intent is going to be a job for the prosecutor. I wouldn't call it "clear" in this case, but the circumstantial evidence is sufficient for an arrest.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-17 09:15:19 AM
McGann was arrested under a section in the state's penal code that says that "a person who possesses any substance, material, or any combination of substances or materials, with the intent to make any destructive device or any explosive without first obtaining a valid permit to make that destructive device or explosive, is guilty of a felony."

We had a case like this in Massachusetts, with more incriminating facts. The state supreme court construed the law so having things that could be turned into an "infernal machine" was not a crime if they were not assembled. (link)
 
2012-11-17 09:19:06 AM

Xai: So in america they arrest you for having bomb making supplies but no bomb?

So do i get arrested for having child abducting supplies (candy) or bank robbing supplies (paper, pen, pocket and banana)

Land of the free indeed...


But did he have a gub?
 
2012-11-17 09:19:24 AM
Currently standing in line to get my groping.

/Getting a kick
//Not wearing a watch
/Or underwear
 
2012-11-17 09:19:53 AM
A `trigger device` can be a piece of wire. Don`t travel with a piece of wire.
 
2012-11-17 09:20:35 AM
FTA: " the watch, which had a large leather strap with a protruding toggle switch, wires and fuses and a circuit board....."

I am absolutely no fan of the TSA and their keystone cop approach to airline security. However, after 10+ years of airport/terrorism hysteria, one would think it prudent to think ahead a bit as to what one of the mopes from TSA would get their panties in a bunch about. A wrist watch with exposed wiring and circuit board might just be on the list of "stupid shiat you should check in your bag or leave home". 

Sounds like this guy was less interested in his "freedom" and "civil rights" and more interested in whatever self-promotion angle he was working. While not indicated in the article, it would not surprise me one bit if this dude is pulling together every mention of his arrest in the media for some future advertisement of whatever he is selling. 

And of course,the every vigilant media was ready to pounce on their story with all the journalistic prowess they could muster. Idiots.
 
2012-11-17 09:24:11 AM
Jesus, what's next? Arresting people who have functional motor skills that could be used to make a bomb?
 
2012-11-17 09:24:17 AM
So you're saying he shouldn't have the right to promote himself in some wacky yet harmless way, got it.
 
2012-11-17 09:30:23 AM
Xai: So in america they arrest you for having bomb making supplies but no bomb?

Yes. Because posing as a person who might do harm with an explosive device might cause panic in the confines of an aircraft at 30k feet. Which, even by itself, is not a good thing. Add to that the distraction factor to allow another person to do something bad while people were trying to figure out whether your little science experiment was real and you have the makings for a really bad scene.

Best advice:
1) Just get on the plane and get to where you are going.
2) Think just a teensy bit about what you are wearing before you leave the house.
3) If you want to make a statement, find a cause that has not been hashed over a billion times.
4) Realize your little TSA protest is unlikely to change policy one iota.
5) Stop being so damn selfish with your so-called protestations.

The rest of the flying public has enough to deal with in airports without some self-styled, airport security watchdog vigilante mucking up an already mucked up process.
 
2012-11-17 09:30:45 AM

homelessdude: FTA: " the watch, which had a large leather strap with a protruding toggle switch, wires and fuses and a circuit board....."

I am absolutely no fan of the TSA and their keystone cop approach to airline security. However, after 10+ years of airport/terrorism hysteria, one would think it prudent to think ahead a bit as to what one of the mopes from TSA would get their panties in a bunch about. A wrist watch with exposed wiring and circuit board might just be on the list of "stupid shiat you should check in your bag or leave home". 

Sounds like this guy was less interested in his "freedom" and "civil rights" and more interested in whatever self-promotion angle he was working. While not indicated in the article, it would not surprise me one bit if this dude is pulling together every mention of his arrest in the media for some future advertisement of whatever he is selling. 

And of course,the every vigilant media was ready to pounce on their story with all the journalistic prowess they could muster. Idiots.


you get out of here with your logical reasoning. this is a tsa hate thread and we'll have none of your facts!
 
2012-11-17 09:30:57 AM
So what is this "Smoke test"? that allows the TSA to arrest people for looking weird

"Well, he looked weird but didn't have any smoke coming from him, so we knew he was a terrorist."
 
2012-11-17 09:36:10 AM
"He had every component to make a trigger mechanism," Nelson said. "Was it? No. But was everything there? Yes."

okay, so it wasn't a trigger mechanism, and it wasn't a bomb, soooo..... why was he arrested and put on 150K bail??

goddammitsomuch TSA needs to farking choke.
 
2012-11-17 09:38:08 AM

smadge1: Oh yeah, I have owned a few of these watches over the past 20 years

Casio F91W

/hand coding HTML on the mobile site is bloody hard.


It's quite simple with a keyboard but they stopped selling decent phones with keyboards in favor of five inch monstrosities
 
2012-11-17 09:38:48 AM

Xai: So in america they arrest you for having bomb making supplies but no bomb?

So do i get arrested for having child abducting supplies (candy) or bank robbing supplies (paper, pen, pocket and banana)

Land of the free indeed...


No but I have heard of people being arrests for having burgeler tools e.g. Sneakers
 
2012-11-17 09:40:20 AM

moothemagiccow: smadge1: Oh yeah, I have owned a few of these watches over the past 20 years

Casio F91W

/hand coding HTML on the mobile site is bloody hard.

It's quite simple with a keyboard but they stopped selling decent phones with keyboards in favor of five inch monstrosities


Nah, I'm using an iPad... I learnt HTML over 10 years ago, we shouldn't have to hand code that junk in this day and age...
 
2012-11-17 09:40:32 AM

not5am: you get out of here with your logical reasoning. this is a tsa hate thread and we'll have none of your facts!


HA! yeah, your right.... sorry bout that.

I don't know what came over me. I should make sure I am fully awake before posting!

carry on
 
2012-11-17 09:42:02 AM

Pro Zack: So what is this "Smoke test"? that allows the TSA to arrest people for looking weird

"Well, he looked weird but didn't have any smoke coming from him, so we knew he was a terrorist."


I wondered the same thing. Maybe "Where there's smoke there's fire". Because apparently, they think terrorists are going to be as obvious and scary as possible when sneaking explosives aboard an airplane, so anyone who does anything "suspicious" (wears a steampunk watch, makes a joke about terrorists, questions the TSA's authoritah, etc) must be guilty.

"Look, Bubba, he's got a phone and an iPod with wires dangling from them! He must be a terrorist!"
 
2012-11-17 09:42:14 AM

vudukungfu: EvilEgg: without that all you have is an automatic light timer

Alarm clock.


Of course, if you took a big ben alarm clock, and duct taped it to a handfull of railroad flares, and stuck some wires in the mess, you could shut down Boston.


Or just put a few of these up around town.

cdn.creativeguerrillamarketing.com
 
2012-11-17 09:42:54 AM
this man deserves a medicaid-supplied penis enlargement and counseling program to deal with his switch fuse and circuit board self-medication tendencies and compensations. it's only fair that we pay for it.
 
2012-11-17 09:46:58 AM

homelessdude: FTA: " the watch, which had a large leather strap with a protruding toggle switch, wires and fuses and a circuit board....."

I am absolutely no fan of the TSA and their keystone cop approach to airline security. However, after 10+ years of airport/terrorism hysteria, one would think it prudent to think ahead a bit as to what one of the mopes from TSA would get their panties in a bunch about. A wrist watch with exposed wiring and circuit board might just be on the list of "stupid shiat you should check in your bag or leave home". 

Sounds like this guy was less interested in his "freedom" and "civil rights" and more interested in whatever self-promotion angle he was working. While not indicated in the article, it would not surprise me one bit if this dude is pulling together every mention of his arrest in the media for some future advertisement of whatever he is selling. 

And of course,the every vigilant media was ready to pounce on their story with all the journalistic prowess they could muster. Idiots.


self-promotion isn't illegal. and you know what? i hope he was trolling the TSA, and I hope he wins if he sues the shiat out of them. farking feeble nation.
 
2012-11-17 09:50:36 AM
He really is an artist. His commercial website: Link

He also helps run an advertising and marketing school specifically targeted at low income women and minorities. Sounds like a dangerous man to me.
 
2012-11-17 09:51:23 AM
Had a TSA supercop flip out on me once because I had a 4-port USB expansion hub velcroed to the top of my work laptop, and all 4 ports were occupied. Literally could not fathom what it was or why I had it fixed to my computer, so I had to explain to him the concept of a dongle and what each of the USB devices did -- one for data analysis, one for timing and scoring, one for my wireless mouse, and one for mobile file storage.

Mind blown. I thought his head was going to explode before he figured out I wasn't going to kill anybody on the flight.
 
2012-11-17 09:51:33 AM

kinkkerbelle: He really is an artist. His commercial website: Link

He also helps run an advertising and marketing school specifically targeted at low income women and minorities. Sounds like a dangerous man to me.


To be fair, educating low income folks, women, and minorities IS dangerous to the owners who created the TSA.
 
2012-11-17 09:52:07 AM

Rincewind53: Guy should sue for false arrest. The article (very helpfully) gives the statute he was arrested under: "a person who possesses any substance, material, or any combination of substances or materials, with the intent to make any destructive device or any explosive without first obtaining a valid permit to make that destructive device or explosive, is guilty of a felony."

Not only is there an intent requirement, and they clearly don't have that here, but the officer admits that the only thing the guy might have been able to build would have been a trigger device, which is notably not a "destructive device" or "explosive."


Did you read the article? I am betting, since he's an artist, that he was trying to be a pain in the ass by doing some kind of thing where he films himself making all this crap then someone else films him going through security. Add that to the fact he had a one way ticket and its one of the few times the tsa did nothing wrong.
 
2012-11-17 09:53:06 AM

steamingpile: ... Add that to the fact he had a one way ticket and its one of the few times the tsa did nothing wrong.


you mean except for arrest him for not a god damn lawful reason.
 
2012-11-17 09:53:33 AM
Just wait until the TSA gets the memo from 2003 that cell phones can be used as triggers....
 
2012-11-17 09:54:25 AM

steamingpile: Did you read the article? I am betting, since he's an artist, that he was trying to be a pain in the ass by doing some kind of thing where he films himself making all this crap then someone else films him going through security. Add that to the fact he had a one way ticket and its one of the few times the tsa did nothing wrong.


Lol, you accuse somebody of not reading the article, and then you make a bunch of wild speculations about things that were not mentioned in the article. You really are a steaming pile, aren't you?
 
2012-11-17 09:55:58 AM

vudukungfu: EvilEgg: without that all you have is an automatic light timer

Alarm clock.


Of course, if you took a big ben alarm clock, and duct taped it to a handfull of railroad flares, and stuck some wires in the mess, you could shut down Boston.


It'd take a lot less than that. Like a silly LED board:

http://cdn.creativeguerrillamarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/bos t on-guerilla-bomb-scare_02.jpg
 
2012-11-17 09:56:39 AM
Here he is, looking suspiciously artsy-fartsy i.dailymail.co.uk

They did it. They went and arrested the only successful hipster in the US.
 
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