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2012-11-17 07:36:42 AM
No and Hell No.

And what better way to get the left-wing loonies like Kucinich back in the public eye negatively than for them to try to start legislating morality.

Post some pics of his wife or ignore him, those are the choices.
 
2012-11-17 09:57:41 AM
Kucinich will be out of office and forgotten in about 6 weeks.
 
2012-11-17 10:11:15 AM
Nobody in Canada cares about Hostess. fark with Vachon Cakes and Quebec declares war and I will enlist.

farm3.static.flickr.com

www.canadamade.org

I believe Hostess bought Vachon a few years ago so I am concerned
 
2012-11-17 10:34:09 AM

Generation_D: No and Hell No.

And what better way to get the left-wing loonies like Kucinich back in the public eye negatively than for them to try to start legislating morality.

Post some pics of his wife or ignore him, those are the choices.


Legislating Morality? They're not trying to take the shiat off the market.
 
2012-11-17 10:36:53 AM

LasersHurt: Generation_D: No and Hell No.

And what better way to get the left-wing loonies like Kucinich back in the public eye negatively than for them to try to start legislating morality.

Post some pics of his wife or ignore him, those are the choices.

Legislating Morality? They're not trying to take the shiat off the market.


Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.
 
2012-11-17 10:37:01 AM
There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.
 
2012-11-17 10:39:59 AM
It also should be noted that selling off their brands means someone else will most likely pick them up to resume the flow of Twinkies and Ho Ho's to our starved masses.
 
2012-11-17 10:42:29 AM

Fart_Machine: It also should be noted that selling off their brands means someone else will most likely pick them up to resume the flow of Twinkies and Ho Ho's to our starved masses.


Glad I wasn't at Walmart yesterday. There might have been a rascal 'run' on the Hostess aisle
 
2012-11-17 10:44:33 AM

clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.


I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.
 
2012-11-17 10:45:15 AM
He does whatever his hott wife tells him to do.
 
2012-11-17 10:46:22 AM
YOU LEAVE MY ZEBRA CAKES ALONE
 
2012-11-17 10:47:17 AM
The miniature authoritarian strikes again.
 
2012-11-17 10:47:35 AM

Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.


Not only do you expect people to read the article, but you expect them to understand what it contains?
 
2012-11-17 10:48:51 AM

Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.


It is. The tax breaks aren't specifically for producing junk food, they are general purpose tax breaks everyone enjoys. This is like trying to ban mortgage tax deductions for gay couples.
 
2012-11-17 10:50:50 AM
Swiss cake rolls. Im cool with generic.
 
2012-11-17 10:56:54 AM

HeartBurnKid: clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.

I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.


Either that, or it's just Hostess' way of playing chicken with the unions, so the unions will say "please don't close, we'll do whatever you want!"
 
2012-11-17 11:01:22 AM
While I don't agree with him on any issues besides political and military isolationism and I find his understanding of economics bordering on complete incompetence, I generally think he's a decent if deluded guy. Then he pulls crap like this.

/somehow I doubt he has problems with tax deductions for corrupt green industries
 
2012-11-17 11:02:58 AM
Whole 5 lb blocks of cheddar cheese: still available!
 
2012-11-17 11:04:25 AM

dervish16108: HeartBurnKid: clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.

I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.

Either that, or it's just Hostess' way of playing chicken with the unions, so the unions will say "please don't close, we'll do whatever you want!"


18,500 ex workers are probably having second thoughts about their brave stance
 
2012-11-17 11:05:43 AM

Lost Thought 00: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is. The tax breaks aren't specifically for producing junk food, they are general purpose tax breaks everyone enjoys. This is like trying to ban mortgage tax deductions for gay couples.


No, it isn't. This analogy is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-11-17 11:11:56 AM
fta "Did you know that we're actually giving tax deductions out to big companies that go ahead and advertise and market products that contribute to childhood obesity?" he asked on the House floor.

No, I didn't. Are you saying we should not do that? You crazy liberal, you!
 
2012-11-17 11:12:02 AM
"Did you know that we're actually giving tax deductions out to big companies that go ahead and advertise and market products that contribute to childhood obesity?" he asked on the House floor.

It's called ordinary and necessary business expenses, Internal Revenue Code section 162. Did you know that we're giving tax deductions out to big companies that grow tobacco? Did you know that we're giving tax deductions to big companies that manufacture weapons? Did you know that we're giving tax deductions out to small companies, too?

Favoring one industry over another is what the Code needs less of, not more of.
 
2012-11-17 11:13:27 AM

colon_pow: dervish16108: HeartBurnKid: clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.

I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.

Either that, or it's just Hostess' way of playing chicken with the unions, so the unions will say "please don't close, we'll do whatever you want!"

18,500 ex workers are probably having second thoughts about their brave stance


Yep, I'm sure they are abandoning their principles left and right now that Supply Side Jesus has unleashed his wrath.
 
2012-11-17 11:16:26 AM
"Did you know that we're actually giving tax deductions out to big companies that go ahead and advertise and market products that contribute to childhood obesity?" he asked on the House floor.

Let me translate that...

"Did you that we're actually giving tax deductions to big companies whose products are purchased by irresponsible parents?"
 
2012-11-17 11:16:59 AM

Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.


It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.
 
2012-11-17 11:17:31 AM

Notabunny: fta "Did you know that we're actually giving tax deductions out to big companies that go ahead and advertise and market products that contribute to childhood obesity?" he asked on the House floor.

No, I didn't. Are you saying we should not do that? You crazy liberal, you!


I haven't seen a Hostess commercial is years, which may be the problem. Or, maybe, it's because the last time I tried some King Dons they just didn't taste as good as I remember. Growing old sucks.
 
2012-11-17 11:17:32 AM

colon_pow: dervish16108: HeartBurnKid: clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.

I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.

Either that, or it's just Hostess' way of playing chicken with the unions, so the unions will say "please don't close, we'll do whatever you want!"

18,500 ex workers are probably having second thoughts about their brave stance


Yeah, darn workers should know just to bend over and take it! So what if they already had a pay cut? So what if they need to pay for things like 'food' and 'heat'?
 
2012-11-17 11:20:13 AM

LordJiro: colon_pow: dervish16108: HeartBurnKid: clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.

I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.

Either that, or it's just Hostess' way of playing chicken with the unions, so the unions will say "please don't close, we'll do whatever you want!"

18,500 ex workers are probably having second thoughts about their brave stance

Yeah, darn workers should know just to bend over and take it! So what if they already had a pay cut? So what if they need to pay for things like 'food' and 'heat'?


Worth noting that the company tripled the CEO's salary this year, and increased other executive pay up to 80%. This year, as they were preparing to file for bankruptcy.
 
2012-11-17 11:21:32 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.


Exactly. Kucinich was making it sound like there is some kind of special, bought-and-paid-for loophole or "tax break" for the junk food industry. There isn't. Junk food companies just compute their net income like most other companies, by taking gross income, subtracting expenses in producing that income and paying tax on the net. Advertising is clearly a deductible expense, for every business.
 
2012-11-17 11:23:21 AM

beta_plus: While I don't agree with him on any issues besides political and military isolationism and I find his understanding of economics bordering on complete incompetence, I generally think he's a decent if deluded guy. Then he pulls crap like this.

/somehow I doubt he has problems with tax deductions for corrupt green industries


corrupt green industries? What the fark is that? Corrupt like Bain Capital or companies breaking laws? I think Kucinich would support prison terms for people in companies breaking laws. Any specific examples or are you pulling more shiat out of your ass.
 
2012-11-17 11:23:48 AM

LasersHurt: LordJiro: colon_pow: dervish16108: HeartBurnKid: clowncar on fire: There was a news article released yesterday downplaying the likelihood in the demise of the twinkie as it has proven to be both cuturally as well as profitably worth saving. Someone will most likely step up to the plate and purchase the rights, and recipe, to continue manufacturing twinkies and like profitable brand names.

I'm thinking the whole Hostess thing is just a ploy to reorganize the company and break the union. They're going to "sell" all the assets to themselves.

Either that, or it's just Hostess' way of playing chicken with the unions, so the unions will say "please don't close, we'll do whatever you want!"

18,500 ex workers are probably having second thoughts about their brave stance

Yeah, darn workers should know just to bend over and take it! So what if they already had a pay cut? So what if they need to pay for things like 'food' and 'heat'?

Worth noting that the company tripled the CEO's salary this year, and increased other executive pay up to 80%. This year, as they were preparing to file for bankruptcy.


I'm SHOCKED that executives would screw over the workers to pad their own wallets and get their golden parachutes. SHOCKED.

/Farking scumbags.
 
2012-11-17 11:24:08 AM
Speaking of advertising, I LOVE going to thehill.com. Last time I went there, I got ads for the new Raytheon cruise missiles. This time, the F-35 Lightning II.

I'm not that much of a high-roller, but damn if I don't like to be treated like one.
 
2012-11-17 11:27:58 AM
The closing of Hostess Brands, which made Twinkies, Ho Hos and other snack treats, means the loss of 18,500 jobs and an at least temporary removal of several food items that have been around for decades.

Food items? I think "sugar delivery systems" is more applicable.
 
2012-11-17 11:32:53 AM
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2012-11-17 11:38:01 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.



Is that so? Why? It's ridiculous that advertising and promotional expenses would be tax deductible at all. Those are the normal costs of doing business, and the US government is subsidizing them? So much for the free market...
 
2012-11-17 11:38:12 AM

Super Chronic: Mr. Eugenides: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.

Exactly. Kucinich was making it sound like there is some kind of special, bought-and-paid-for loophole or "tax break" for the junk food industry. There isn't. Junk food companies just compute their net income like most other companies, by taking gross income, subtracting expenses in producing that income and paying tax on the net. Advertising is clearly a deductible expense, for every business.


But it's for the children!
 
2012-11-17 11:40:58 AM
Little Debbie will buy the trademark and rename their Cloud Cakes to Twinkies.
 
2012-11-17 11:42:32 AM
I don't understand why The Hill people are raging about this. Shouldn't they be happy whenever the government stops subsidizing anything? Shouldn't they be calling for MORE of this kind of reform... but on all companies? Or are they admitting that government assistance can be beneficial?
 
2012-11-17 11:42:50 AM

mrshowrules: beta_plus: While I don't agree with him on any issues besides political and military isolationism and I find his understanding of economics bordering on complete incompetence, I generally think he's a decent if deluded guy. Then he pulls crap like this.

/somehow I doubt he has problems with tax deductions for corrupt green industries

corrupt green industries? What the fark is that? Corrupt like Bain Capital or companies breaking laws? I think Kucinich would support prison terms for people in companies breaking laws. Any specific examples or are you pulling more shiat out of your ass.


Solyndragarbl.
 
2012-11-17 11:44:12 AM
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LIBERAL SOSHULIST ACTIVISM!

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(meanwhile climate change continues to grow unchecked)
 
2012-11-17 11:46:17 AM

Mr. Eugenides: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.


So we've come to the point when the government doesn't give special consideration to companies it's "legislating morality"?
 
2012-11-17 11:46:59 AM

mrshowrules: beta_plus: While I don't agree with him on any issues besides political and military isolationism and I find his understanding of economics bordering on complete incompetence, I generally think he's a decent if deluded guy. Then he pulls crap like this.

/somehow I doubt he has problems with tax deductions for corrupt green industries

corrupt green industries? What the fark is that? Corrupt like Bain Capital or companies breaking laws? I think Kucinich would support prison terms for people in companies breaking laws. Any specific examples or are you pulling more shiat out of your ass.


He's using Kucinich as a springboard to Obama/Solyndra.

Yes, even as the ridiculous Benghazi "scandal" is being pulled out from under him and his bitter, sore loser colleagues, he's still trying to make Solyndra a thing.

At this point, it's just sad...he deserves our pity more than our scorn.

OK, pity and scorn
 
2012-11-17 11:47:25 AM

Generation_D: No and Hell No.

And what better way to get the left-wing loonies like Kucinich back in the public eye negatively than for them to try to start legislating morality.

Post some pics of his wife or ignore him, those are the choices.


Left Wing legislating morality: "TAX ALL THE DING DONGS!"

Right Wing legislating morality: "BAN ALL THE FUDGE PACKED DING DONGS!"
 
2012-11-17 11:48:06 AM

Fart_Machine: Mr. Eugenides: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.

So we've come to the point when the government doesn't give special consideration to companies it's "legislating morality"?


The government doesn't give special consideration to junk food companies. They are taking the same deduction every other company takes. But I don't blame you for being misled, since that was clearly Kucinich's intent.
 
2012-11-17 11:49:38 AM

Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: beta_plus: While I don't agree with him on any issues besides political and military isolationism and I find his understanding of economics bordering on complete incompetence, I generally think he's a decent if deluded guy. Then he pulls crap like this.

/somehow I doubt he has problems with tax deductions for corrupt green industries

corrupt green industries? What the fark is that? Corrupt like Bain Capital or companies breaking laws? I think Kucinich would support prison terms for people in companies breaking laws. Any specific examples or are you pulling more shiat out of your ass.

He's using Kucinich as a springboard to Obama/Solyndra.

Yes, even as the ridiculous Benghazi "scandal" is being pulled out from under him and his bitter, sore loser colleagues, he's still trying to make Solyndra a thing.

At this point, it's just sad...he deserves our pity more than our scorn.

OK, pity and scorn


don't forget ridicule
 
2012-11-17 11:49:59 AM

Lionel Mandrake: mrshowrules: beta_plus: While I don't agree with him on any issues besides political and military isolationism and I find his understanding of economics bordering on complete incompetence, I generally think he's a decent if deluded guy. Then he pulls crap like this.

/somehow I doubt he has problems with tax deductions for corrupt green industries

corrupt green industries? What the fark is that? Corrupt like Bain Capital or companies breaking laws? I think Kucinich would support prison terms for people in companies breaking laws. Any specific examples or are you pulling more shiat out of your ass.

He's using Kucinich as a springboard to Obama/Solyndra.

Yes, even as the ridiculous Benghazi "scandal" is being pulled out from under him and his bitter, sore loser colleagues, he's still trying to make Solyndra a thing.

At this point, it's just sad...he deserves our pity more than our scorn.

OK, pity and scorn


They're so desperate, they're grabbing straws they've already discarded.

Christ, the modern GOP cannot collapse fast enough. GTFO and let adults take your place in government.
 
2012-11-17 11:50:19 AM
As a Yodel fan (and for the record, NOT of Ho-ho's, poorly concocted substitute that they are) this is kind of disturbing. But hopefully we'll get them all back soon enough.
 
2012-11-17 11:50:58 AM

randomjsa: "Did you know that we're actually giving tax deductions out to big companies that go ahead and advertise and market products that contribute to childhood obesity?" he asked on the House floor.

Let me translate that...

"Did you that we're actually giving tax deductions to big companies whose products are purchased by irresponsible parents?"


translation to derp
 
2012-11-17 11:53:24 AM

Super Chronic: Fart_Machine: Mr. Eugenides: Fart_Machine: Apparently not giving them a tax break is legislating morality.

It is when you're talking about making advertising and promotion expenses that are deductable for any business non decuctable for junk food companies.

So we've come to the point when the government doesn't give special consideration to companies it's "legislating morality"?

The government doesn't give special consideration to junk food companies. They are taking the same deduction every other company takes. But I don't blame you for being misled, since that was clearly Kucinich's intent.


You seem to be missing my point. That we give any consideration to the advertising budgets for special benefits is the issue. It isn't morality.
 
2012-11-17 11:54:20 AM
Let it wobble away.
 
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