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(The New Yorker)   "In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat. If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House." says noted liberal mouthpiece Ted Cruz   (newyorker.com) divider line 164
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2012-11-17 01:23:21 AM  
NTTAWWT
 
2012-11-17 01:47:24 AM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2012-11-17 01:55:42 AM  
the bright side to all of this is the glimmer of hope for REAL immigration reform.
 
2012-11-17 02:23:38 AM  
Not very farking likely.
 
2012-11-17 02:51:10 AM  
Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

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2012-11-17 07:25:01 AM  

bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....


Nixon was a RINO.
 
2012-11-17 07:38:03 AM  
If this starts happening, look for the right wing Texans, that is to say the 60% of them today, to start declaring Martial Law.
 
2012-11-17 07:38:37 AM  

EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.


By today's GOP standards Nixon, Bush I, Bush II and the actual Reagan were all RINOs, but the revisionist history Reagan who cut tax rates to -50%, banned abortion retroactively to 1776, used the KJV Bible as his only reference for speaking and knocked down the Berlin Wall with naught but a flex of his mighty bicep would fit in just fine.

Hell, here in PA there were rumblings that even Santorum doesn't meet the standards of "True Conservative" because during his tenure in the Senate he showed an occasional propensity to compromise with the evil lib'ruls being operated like a puppet with Satan's fiery hand happily ensconced in their buttholes.

I know I've said it before, but the Republican Party is well on its way to being one 73-year-old white millionaire screaming "LIBERAL!" at his mirror.
 
2012-11-17 07:44:21 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.

By today's GOP standards Nixon, Bush I, Bush II and the actual Reagan were all RINOs, but the revisionist history Reagan who cut tax rates to -50%, banned abortion retroactively to 1776, used the KJV Bible as his only reference for speaking and knocked down the Berlin Wall with naught but a flex of his mighty bicep would fit in just fine.

Hell, here in PA there were rumblings that even Santorum doesn't meet the standards of "True Conservative" because during his tenure in the Senate he showed an occasional propensity to compromise with the evil lib'ruls being operated like a puppet with Satan's fiery hand happily ensconced in their buttholes.

I know I've said it before, but the Republican Party is well on its way to being one 73-year-old white millionaire screaming "LIBERAL!" at his mirror.


I think I've met that guy.
 
2012-11-17 07:45:02 AM  

EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.


No way in hell a Republican with Nixon's political views wins the nomination in today's Republican party.

Hell, their Saint Ronnie probably would have a really hard time.
 
2012-11-17 07:53:05 AM  

jake_lex: EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.

No way in hell a Republican with Nixon's political views wins the nomination in today's Republican party.

Hell, their Saint Ronnie probably would have a really hard time.


Which is ironic (O Hai Alanis!), because it was Ronnie Raygun who embraced the Social Conservatives (re: The saner ancestors to today's Teahadists) in the first place.
 
2012-11-17 08:14:26 AM  

Spad31: Not very farking likely.


I would say in two decades it's very likely that the current GOP platform couldn't carry TX. But by then all the current GOP douchebags will be out.
 
2012-11-17 08:19:58 AM  

MmmmBacon: (re: The saner ancestors to today's Teahadists)


I doubt they were saner, indeed many of them are the exact same people, just older. After hearing that fat bag of slime Falwell blather about his Moral Majority through the 80's the Teahadists are just the latest version of the same ignorant, hateful minority with some very good press reps.
 
2012-11-17 08:33:57 AM  

Ennuipoet: MmmmBacon: (re: The saner ancestors to today's Teahadists)

I doubt they were saner, indeed many of them are the exact same people, just older. After hearing that fat bag of slime Falwell blather about his Moral Majority through the 80's the Teahadists are just the latest version of the same ignorant, hateful minority with some very good press reps.


the Religious Right. culture warriors don't change.
 
2012-11-17 08:34:47 AM  
If the DNC made some efforts now to target right leaning moderates they could put Texas in play by '16. At least not make it a foregone conclusion
 
2012-11-17 08:49:10 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: If the DNC made some efforts now to target right leaning moderates they could put Texas in play by '16. At least not make it a foregone conclusion


That ol Jerry Mander boy, he sure does make it difficult to vote for a Democrat.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-17 09:03:49 AM  
It would be almost as devastating as when the rest of the South switched from Democrat to Republican in the 1980s, forever dooming Democrats' chances of winning the presidency and controlling the Senate.
 
2012-11-17 09:56:37 AM  
Better start gerrymandering like crazy so you can stay in power even when more people vote against you than for you like in Wisconsin. Because winning for "your side" is all that matters.
 
2012-11-17 10:00:49 AM  
Southern Stratergy 2: coming soon to a state near you.
 
2012-11-17 10:02:01 AM  

EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.


Well, he did propose universal health care.
 
2012-11-17 10:02:51 AM  
If the GOP dies it will be because they are no longer able to fool enough voters into believing that their intentions are the same as their stated goals, or that their stated goals have any chance of improving the country even if they were really implemented.

When this happens another party will step in to fill the void, and it might be even worse.

\Anyone want some tea?
 
2012-11-17 10:03:34 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Better start gerrymandering like crazy so you can stay in power even when more people vote against you than for you like in Wisconsin. Because winning for "your side" is all that matters.


They already have. Read up on the House election results in this past election: if House districts weren't gerrymandered to hell, the Democrats would have won a majority in the House.
 
2012-11-17 10:07:56 AM  
After 2016 I doubt we'll have a Dem in the White House for awhile.
 
2012-11-17 10:08:36 AM  
This assumes that the GOP does not change their platform at all and decides to keep on truckin' with the bizarre hybrid of Ayn Rand and Pro-America Jesus for the next eight years. That would almost permanently solidify the Millenials, Hispanics, and Asians as Democratic voting blocs (I believe someone once said that if you vote for the same party three presidential elections in a row that you'll identify as a member of that party for life).
 
2012-11-17 10:10:23 AM  
Sure there could be, as soon as you dump the social conservatives, ie the Christian Right.
 
2012-11-17 10:11:01 AM  

John Buck 41: After 2016 I doubt we'll have a Dem in the White House for awhile.


(I) Ron Paul for life?
 
2012-11-17 10:11:13 AM  
I read the article.

You know what Republicans don't understand about Democrats/liberals? They don't understand that people aren't voting for Democrats because they think the Democratic Party is so great. They are voting for Democrats because the Republican Party is *stupid and evil*.

Until they realize that, they aren't going to be able to save themselves.
 
2012-11-17 10:11:53 AM  
Ted Cruz is right. Texas will be majority hispanic around the year 2020.
FYI: Ted's birth name is Rafeal Cruz.
 
2012-11-17 10:12:06 AM  

ZAZ: It would be almost as devastating as when the rest of the South switched from Democrat to Republican in the 1980s, forever dooming Democrats' chances of winning the presidency and controlling the Senate.


^This!
 
2012-11-17 10:12:12 AM  

Generation_D: If this starts happening, look for the right wing Texans, that is to say the 60% of them today, to start declaring Martial Law.


Obama won almost 42% of the state.

On topic: for the millionth time, GOP, your issues with race are not a factor of the skin color of the people you run, they are a factor of policy. Your policy is hostile.
 
2012-11-17 10:15:39 AM  
More and more, Republicans are starting to realize that people don't like them and aren't voting for them. The problem is, instead of realizing that they're becoming more and more of an anachronism in our day and age, they're lashing out and insinuating that it's a moral failing on everybody else's part.

Hell, twenty four hours after the election, several personalities as Fox News surmised that they'd lost only because white people are no longer in control, and this new class of minorities are a bunch of lazy, unmotivated moochers who want free stuff. So yeah, here's to hoping that today's incarnation of the Republican party continues to lose influence.
 
2012-11-17 10:16:39 AM  

Spad31: Not very farking likely.


It is extremely likely, actually.
 
2012-11-17 10:18:10 AM  
1970

Big Business: "Americans are stupid, lazy and greedy. They keep whining about their 'rights' and a living wage. We need to bring in lots of immigrants to depress wages, provide a market for the Chinese junk we import, and for general divide-and-conquer goodness. Also, make sure they are mostly 'illegal', that way it will be easier to exploit both the immigrants and native born. "

Republican Party: "Yes, master. We will do it ASAP. Our plan it to get poor, dumb, white trash to think we're their friends while we actually screw them."

Big Business: "Excellent, bought-lings, excellent."

------------------------

2012:

Republican Party: "Master, all those dumb wetbacks we allowed in bred like rats, and their kids are all citizens with the right to vote. The farked up thing is that their kids AREN'T delusional like the Teahadists and actually vote their own self interests! We can't run a candidate for the dog-catcher and win. What do we do?"

Big Business: "No habla ingles, gringo."
 
2012-11-17 10:19:49 AM  

jake_lex: EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.

No way in hell a Republican with Nixon's political views wins the nomination in today's Republican party.

Hell, their Saint Ronnie probably would have a really hard time.


Ronald Reagan was president of the Screen Actors Guild, which is (A) a labor union (egad!) and (B) full of socialist Hollywood gaytheist limousine liberals. "Snowball's chance in hell on a warm day" would be being overly generous.
 
2012-11-17 10:19:52 AM  
Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.

When you say "radical right" today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.


- Barry Goldwater, 1994

I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."

- Barry Goldwater, 1981
 
2012-11-17 10:20:01 AM  

realmolo: I read the article.

You know what Republicans don't understand about Democrats/liberals? They don't understand that people aren't voting for Democrats because they think the Democratic Party is so great. They are voting for Democrats because the Republican Party is *stupid and evil*.

Until they realize that, they aren't going to be able to save themselves.


Really? Cause numerous polls throughout the year looked at whether people voting for either candidate said their vote was more for the candidate or against the other candidate, and Obama consistently had 15-20% more people saying it was a vote for Obama than corresponding numbers for Romney.
 
2012-11-17 10:20:26 AM  
I've never understood how the GOP could push away one of the largest growing populations of social conservatives to satisfy a minority of nativists.
 
2012-11-17 10:20:49 AM  

Parmenius: EvilEgg: bingethinker: Considering that the last few Republican presidents are making me appreciate Nixon more and more each year....

Nixon was a RINO.

Well, he did propose universal health care.


==================

Yup, and it the plan was torpedoed by Ted Kennedy. Troof.
 
2012-11-17 10:21:05 AM  

realmolo: I read the article.

You know what Republicans don't understand about Democrats/liberals? They don't understand that people aren't voting for Democrats because they think the Democratic Party is so great. They are voting for Democrats because the Republican Party is *stupid and evil*.

Until they realize that, they aren't going to be able to save themselves.


I agree 100% but I can work with stupid, the evil part gets to me.
 
2012-11-17 10:21:36 AM  
Long article. I didn't read it to the end. Did anyone catch the casual " I was born in Canada but my mom is a US citizen, thus I can run for presidency"?
 
2012-11-17 10:22:02 AM  

Jack Mackbell:

Hell, twenty four hours after the election, several personalities as Fox News surmised that they'd lost only because white people are no longer in control, and this new class of minorities are a bunch of lazy, unmotivated moochers who want free stuff. So yeah, here's to hoping that today's incarnation of the Republican party continues to lose influence.


And thanks to the internet's ability to flatten time those clips can be played in time for the 2014 midterms and 2016 election as though they were said only yesterday.
 
2012-11-17 10:22:25 AM  
The Republican Party will not die. Sooner or later they'll find their "Clinton". They'll find the candidate that can pull the party left toward the mainstream while preserving the party's core values. It will push the dems left to differentiate their candidates. Clinton also tempered the dems "Kennedy Cult" which allowed them to push forward. The Reps need to put the Reagan Cult on the back burner. He wasn't been president for 23 years; he has no relevance to voters under 30. After Mondale and Dukakas failed presidential campaigns, the dems had to rethink themselves just as the GOP needs to do now. Dems gave up on issues like gun control. The GOP will find planks in their platform that they can temper their views.
 
2012-11-17 10:22:28 AM  
Yeah well.
There is still at least another generation of old-school white stupid GOPers just waiting to have their chance to grab the brass ring of destiny. They're run their campaigns accordingly, in the Rover Turdblossom style.
 
2012-11-17 10:24:12 AM  
So...Texas would have to secede...from itself.
 
2012-11-17 10:24:35 AM  
The claims that Republicans will never win again is ridiculous: within a generation or two the trends suggest that the descendents of Hispanics will be less likely to self-identify as Hispanic due to the fact that there is more Hispanic and non-Hispanic white mixed couples than most other races and simply because of cultural assimilation like we've seen with virtually every other significant Caucasian minority being accepted as time goes on.

You're looking at a significant electoral advantage in the next couple decades for Democrats if Republicans don't reform their image, but 50 years from now if somehow both parties survived without a significant ideological shift you'd likely see regression towards the mean as the racial divide will likely tighten at least among Hispanic voters.

I hope the Republicans do change positions from the hardline they have been running on so far, but "permanent majorities" never exist.
 
2012-11-17 10:26:18 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: If the DNC made some efforts now to target right leaning moderates they could put Texas in play by '16. At least not make it a foregone conclusion


I think it's a little optimistic. Moderates who lean right still trust Fox more than the NYTimes.
 
2012-11-17 10:26:42 AM  

Mrembo: Long article. I didn't read it to the end. Did anyone catch the casual " I was born in Canada but my mom is a US citizen, thus I can run for presidency"?


Yup. IOIYAR
 
2012-11-17 10:26:52 AM  
Ted. You are Rafael. It's okay.

The POTUS is not Barry. He is Barack. That, also, is okay.

Vaya con dios dude.
 
2012-11-17 10:27:27 AM  

Ennuipoet: After hearing that fat bag of slime Falwell blather about his Moral Majority through the 80's the Teahadists are just the latest version of the same ignorant, hateful minority with some very good press reps.


Falwell claimed moral authority from Gawd, the Teahadists are primarily about guns, money and a George Lucas read of the Constitution. Falwell is as repellent a public figure as any, but he's still heads and shoulders above the typical skirt-hiking TeaWhiner. Probably gets laid more too.
 
2012-11-17 10:29:47 AM  

Generation_D: Peter von Nostrand: If the DNC made some efforts now to target right leaning moderates they could put Texas in play by '16. At least not make it a foregone conclusion

That ol Jerry Mander boy, he sure does make it difficult to vote for a Democrat.


I should have noted I was referring to Presidential election. The State legislature and US House is comfortably Republican for some time

/I would love to see cornyn booted out in '16
//won't happen, though
 
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