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2012-11-16 07:30:11 PM  
You mean 30+ years of ignoring mainstream economics in favor of this hazy idea that what is good for the uber-rich is somehow good for everybody (combined with a platform that increasingly appeals only to heterosexual white male affluent Christians) wasn't a good long-term strategy for what is supposed to be a major omnibus political party?
 
2012-11-16 07:32:08 PM  
Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.
 
2012-11-16 07:41:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.


Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.
 
2012-11-16 07:55:08 PM  

GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.


He may be a Kenyan Nazi communist socialist seekrit mooslim, but he's not a stupid Kenyan Nazi communist socialist seekrit mooslim. Obama leveraged their intransigent ideology against them and they fell for it with the delusional certainty of a Romney win.

All things considered, having all the Bush tax cuts expire would be a good thing....

...so would be the effects of sequestration on the DoD.
 
2012-11-16 08:27:18 PM  

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2012-11-16 08:30:54 PM  
It seemed as though this election the GOP crossed that line between everyday villainy and cartoonish super-villainy.
 
2012-11-16 08:42:50 PM  

GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.


If I remember correctly, Boehner didn't really want to walk away from the deal. The Tea Partiers told him "NO COMPROMISE!" He couldn't even control his own members. As Rachel Maddow has said many times. "Boehner is bad at his job."
 
2012-11-16 08:43:33 PM  
I really, really want Obama to grow a major pair, ignore the 2016 race and the Dems' chances, and just walk into his meeting with Boehner like Arnold Toht walked into the tent to talk to Marion Ravenwood. Whip out a chain and steel thingy, twist it into a coat hanger, smile at Boehner with an icy, calculating smile, and say "Now...what shall we talk about?"
 
2012-11-16 08:58:56 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.

If I remember correctly, Boehner didn't really want to walk away from the deal. The Tea Partiers told him "NO COMPROMISE!" He couldn't even control his own members. As Rachel Maddow has said many times. "Boehner is bad at his job."


see, that is the BULLshiat part of this.
boner could have put the deal together and brought it to the floor for a vote.
The dems plus enough rational gop reps would have gotten it passed.
By not bringing the bill to a vote, he just was a coward.

"worried about a primary challenge"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
 
2012-11-16 09:10:12 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.

If I remember correctly, Boehner didn't really want to walk away from the deal. The Tea Partiers told him "NO COMPROMISE!" He couldn't even control his own members. As Rachel Maddow has said many times. "Boehner is bad at his job."


He's Speaker. He walked away. Just because he's incompetent doesn't mean that it isn't his fault he can't control his caucus.
 
2012-11-16 09:24:53 PM  

GAT_00: Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.

If I remember correctly, Boehner didn't really want to walk away from the deal. The Tea Partiers told him "NO COMPROMISE!" He couldn't even control his own members. As Rachel Maddow has said many times. "Boehner is bad at his job."

He's Speaker. He walked away. Just because he's incompetent doesn't mean that it isn't his fault he can't control his caucus.


I think Obama should start slowly taking away compromises each meeting, maybe it'll spur them to take a deal sooner rather than later.
 
2012-11-16 09:26:04 PM  

GAT_00: Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.

If I remember correctly, Boehner didn't really want to walk away from the deal. The Tea Partiers told him "NO COMPROMISE!" He couldn't even control his own members. As Rachel Maddow has said many times. "Boehner is bad at his job."

He's Speaker. He walked away. Just because he's incompetent doesn't mean that it isn't his fault he can't control his caucus.


This has some pretty good analysis of what went on with that.

mediad.publicbroadcasting.net 

And the authors are hardly liberal bomb throwers.
 
2012-11-16 09:26:10 PM  
I think the GOP was expecting another 2010 where they could push off good faith negotiations with the Democrats because they expected to have complete control after the elections.

It's times like these that make life worth living (apart from the real impact their buffoonery has on all our lives)
 
2012-11-16 09:27:38 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00: Nadie_AZ: Now Republicans are like the man who didn't pay his voluntary fee to the local fire department and then, when his house went up in flames, frantically offered to pay it. Too late! And also a bit late to start complaining that Obama is being unreasonable.

Not a bad analogy.

Yeah. It could quite easily turn out that the very best deal the GOP gets out of this entire thing is the deal Boehner walked away from. Boehner said directly today that there WILL be higher taxes in the upcoming deal.

If I remember correctly, Boehner didn't really want to walk away from the deal. The Tea Partiers told him "NO COMPROMISE!" He couldn't even control his own members. As Rachel Maddow has said many times. "Boehner is bad at his job."


Does Boehner really even need the Tea Party caucus though? It seems odd to me that the more moderate Republicans plus Democrats can't make a majority.
 
2012-11-16 09:28:36 PM  

doyner: so would be the effects of sequestration on the DoD.


Word. This would actually be a pretty good thing in the long run. I'm kind of rooting for the Republicans to call their own bluff on this one.
 
2012-11-16 09:28:41 PM  

Summoner101: I think the GOP was expecting another 2010 where they could push off good faith negotiations with the Democrats because they expected to have complete control after the elections.

It's times like these that make life worth living (apart from the real impact their buffoonery has on all our lives)


We won't make any real progress until the Democrats have the House as well. And you can bet your ass that the Republicans will do whatever it takes to prevent that, no matter the cost to the country.
 
2012-11-16 09:29:36 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I really, really want Obama to grow a major pair, ignore the 2016 race and the Dems' chances, and just walk into his meeting with Boehner like Arnold Toht walked into the tent to talk to Marion Ravenwood. Whip out a chain and steel thingy, twist it into a coat hanger, smile at Boehner with an icy, calculating smile, and say "Now...what shall we talk about?"


In a way, he's already half way there. If the GOP refuses to go along with Obama on a budget deal that includes tax cuts on everyone except the rich, Obama will just let the Bush tax cuts expire and, effectively, have the GOP eat that huge shiat sandwich they thought they would never even be at arms length, let alone ready to take a bite.
 
2012-11-16 09:30:24 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I really, really want Obama to grow a major pair, ignore the 2016 race and the Dems' chances, and just walk into his meeting with Boehner like Arnold Toht walked into the tent to talk to Marion Ravenwood. Whip out a chain and steel thingy, twist it into a coat hanger, smile at Boehner with an icy, calculating smile, and say "Now...what shall we talk about?"


Well, I now know what I'm doing this evening.

You're a major geek for knowing Toht's first name and Marion's last name by the way. I doubt this is news to you.
 
2012-11-16 09:31:11 PM  

LordJiro: Summoner101: I think the GOP was expecting another 2010 where they could push off good faith negotiations with the Democrats because they expected to have complete control after the elections.

It's times like these that make life worth living (apart from the real impact their buffoonery has on all our lives)

We won't make any real progress until the Democrats have the House as well. And you can bet your ass that the Republicans will do whatever it takes to prevent that, no matter the cost to the country.


Well at this point they either moderate and stand a chance of taking back some seats or they double down and more than likely lose more seats. Either way it's more promising then it was before the election where there was a real possibility most Americans actually supported their shiat.
 
2012-11-16 09:31:32 PM  
It's nice to know the Republicans are now willing to meet in the middle of the road and agree to some tax increases....however, what or whose taxes will they be increasing? Everything is still too shady to be confident the raise and (necessary) cuts will be fair. But I am somewhat relieved they are willing to strike a deal without going over the 'cliff'.
 
2012-11-16 09:34:52 PM  

Summoner101: moderate Republicans


Depends how much they fear the Teatards that may label them a RINO for compromising for the greater good.
 
2012-11-16 09:36:17 PM  
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Ask not for whom the bone bones - it bones for thee.
 
2012-11-16 09:38:27 PM  

Quagdingo: It's nice to know the Republicans are now willing to meet in the middle of the road and agree to some tax increases....however, what or whose taxes will they be increasing?


"The middle of the road"? "Agree"? You earned a funny click. The Republicans have been pretty clear that they are ok with eliminating loopholes which favor the poor and middle class, and eliminating spending on programs which are used by the poor and middle class.
 
2012-11-16 09:39:34 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Summoner101: moderate Republicans

Depends how much they fear the Teatards that may label them a RINO for compromising for the greater good.


I guess it depends on how much the Tea Party mentality has, or might, waned due to the consequences of the election. I would hope that the more moderate aspects of the GOP would be emboldened that they're more what Americans are looking for, but it seems that the Tea Party aspect has pretty much just doubled down. Then again, it's only been a little more than a week, and passions are still running high. Fortunately, that won't change the reality of what happened.
 
2012-11-16 09:40:56 PM  

GAT_00:
He's Speaker. He walked away. Just because he's incompetent doesn't mean that it isn't his fault he can't control his caucus.


Out of curiosity, do you blame Obama for not getting consensus from congress when he started? Even Obama admitted he made mistakes early on.

In Boehners case, when you have new blood in the party...blood that took out a majority of well respected moderates... Your other "followers" are going to be scared shirtless.

Either way- Boehner was bad at his job. And your right about him walking away from it. Total lack of political courage.
 
2012-11-16 09:41:18 PM  
The sad part is that there were plenty of people at every step of the way warning the GOP that this is what would happen. They chose to ignore us for close to 30 years and now they're all "how did we ever get into this spot?"
 
2012-11-16 09:41:46 PM  
During budget talks last year, Obama offered $10 of spending cuts for every $1 of tax increases.
The GOP said no and got 98% of what they wanted.

If sequestration goes into effect then it is $1 of spending cuts to $1 of tax increases.
Currently Obama is offering $2 of spending cuts for every $1 of tax increases.

That was some nice negotiating there Boner.
 
2012-11-16 09:44:18 PM  

The Why Not Guy: The sad part is that there were plenty of people at every step of the way warning the GOP that this is what would happen. They chose to ignore us for close to 30 years and now they're all "how did we ever get into this spot?"


What's sad is here in West Virginia, they are all biatching at Obama and completely clueless to how the election turned out.
Yeah, I'm stuck here...
 
2012-11-16 09:44:19 PM  

Summoner101:

Does Boehner really even need the Tea Party caucus though? It seems odd to me that the more moderate Republicans plus Democrats can't make a majority.


Keep in mind- MANY of the GOP republicans moderates were primaried. Many Republicans were fearful of losing their jobs. And enough TP could have prevented anything passing.
 
2012-11-16 09:44:31 PM  
So the GOP has two choices:

1) Modest tax increase for only the rich,
2) Tax increase for everyone, including huge increases for the rich

And they can't take #1 because they want ZERO tax increase for the rich, even if that means they wind up with #2 because of their stubbornness?

Have I got that right?
 
2012-11-16 09:45:28 PM  

DeltaPunch: So the GOP has two choices:

1) Modest tax increase for only the rich,
2) Tax increase for everyone, including huge increases for the rich

And they can't take #1 because they want ZERO tax increase for the rich, even if that means they wind up with #2 because of their stubbornness?

Have I got that right?


Pretty much. This way, when the middle class asks why their taxes went up, they can blame someone.
 
2012-11-16 09:45:54 PM  

DeltaPunch: So the GOP has two choices:

1) Modest tax increase for only the rich,
2) Tax increase for everyone, including huge increases for the rich

And they can't take #1 because they want ZERO tax increase for the rich, even if that means they wind up with #2 because of their stubbornness?

Have I got that right?


But by kicking and screaming and forcing two to happen they didn't cave in to the evil blah man, and therefore hold the upper hand. In the 1950s.
 
2012-11-16 09:46:04 PM  
My only desire is to see Grover Norquist on April 15th, bawling like a fat little manbaby as he signs his check to the IRS.
 
2012-11-16 09:47:49 PM  

Rwa2play: In a way, he's already half way there. If the GOP refuses to go along with Obama on a budget deal that includes tax cuts on everyone except the rich, Obama will just let the Bush tax cuts expire and, effectively, have the GOP eat that huge shiat sandwich they thought they would never even be at arms length, let alone ready to take a bite.


And next year Obama proposes an middle class tax cut and the GOP would block which would make them look even more foolish.
 
2012-11-16 09:47:55 PM  

LordJiro: We won't make any real progress until the Democrats have the House as well. And you can bet your ass that the Republicans will do whatever it takes to prevent that, no matter the cost to the country.



That seems true. Yet, isn't that unfortunate. Some progress of compromise should be made with the balance the way it is. This is *supposed* to be the healthy balance.


Too bad the Republicans went off the derpal cliff.
 
2012-11-16 09:48:17 PM  

DeltaPunch: So the GOP has two choices:

1) Modest tax increase for only the rich,
2) Tax increase for everyone, including huge increases for the rich

And they can't take #1 because they want ZERO tax increase for the rich, even if that means they wind up with #2 because of their stubbornness?

Have I got that right?


Well, yeah, but remember, half of Americans don't pay taxes!!1! AND they get free food and phones!! Why are we taxing job creators instead of these "poor" with all their fancy food and fat tax-free paychecks!! They're DESTROYING AMERICA!!11!
 
2012-11-16 09:48:27 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: GAT_00:
He's Speaker. He walked away. Just because he's incompetent doesn't mean that it isn't his fault he can't control his caucus.

Out of curiosity, do you blame Obama for not getting consensus from congress when he started? Even Obama admitted he made mistakes early on.

In Boehners case, when you have new blood in the party...blood that took out a majority of well respected moderates... Your other "followers" are going to be scared shirtless.

Either way- Boehner was bad at his job. And your right about him walking away from it. Total lack of political courage.


One, I do blame Obama for being incompetent in his handling with Congress. However, he is not in Congress. He has no direct influence on Congress. Boehner job is to control Congress and he is mind-bogglingly bad at it. He lost his first vote within 48 hours of becoming Speaker. Pelosi didn't lose one in 4 years.
 
2012-11-16 09:49:12 PM  
They really don't think about the future. The Tea Party is great proof of that.
 
2012-11-16 09:49:29 PM  
I mean, who could have guessed that slowly lowering wages for 30 years would reduce demand and slowly strangle the economy?
You can not explain that!
 
2012-11-16 09:50:34 PM  
www.ama-assn.org
"I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization." -- Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.

But we all know that today's rich would rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven.
 
2012-11-16 09:51:37 PM  

Summoner101: antidisestablishmentarianism: Summoner101: moderate Republicans

Depends how much they fear the Teatards that may label them a RINO for compromising for the greater good.

I guess it depends on how much the Tea Party mentality has, or might, waned due to the consequences of the election. I would hope that the more moderate aspects of the GOP would be emboldened that they're more what Americans are looking for, but it seems that the Tea Party aspect has pretty much just doubled down. Then again, it's only been a little more than a week, and passions are still running high. Fortunately, that won't change the reality of what happened.


I think it depends on the electorate. We lost Russ Feingold in a tea party wave to Ron Johnson who isn't a total idiot but will toe the party line (so far as has been seen) unlike Russ who put state and citizen ahead of party.
 
2012-11-16 09:52:30 PM  
This is what happens when you keep playing the short game and refuse to see the other guy is playing the long game. Sooner or later, the long game comes to fruition.
 
2012-11-16 09:53:03 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: DeltaPunch: So the GOP has two choices:

1) Modest tax increase for only the rich,
2) Tax increase for everyone, including huge increases for the rich

And they can't take #1 because they want ZERO tax increase for the rich, even if that means they wind up with #2 because of their stubbornness?

Have I got that right?

Well, yeah, but remember, half of Americans don't pay taxes!!1! AND they get free food and phones!! Why are we taxing job creators instead of these "poor" with all their fancy food and fat tax-free paychecks!! They're DESTROYING AMERICA!!11!


Well when you put it that way, it makes me wish I had voted Republican!
 
2012-11-16 09:54:26 PM  
President Obama needs to fark with them. Offer a straight up deal: a one year extension of the Bush tax cuts or the elimination of the sequester, on the condition that the Senate ratifies ALL filibustered appointments within 2 weeks. Any poison pill or partisan riders on the bills and the deal is off, but promise to sign one that gets to his desk.

Let the warhawks and the Norquist idiots have a civil war. If nothing comes from it, he gets both tax increases and military cuts. Worst case is the President gets one of the two but fills all his appointments.
 
2012-11-16 09:55:59 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Summoner101: antidisestablishmentarianism: Summoner101: moderate Republicans

Depends how much they fear the Teatards that may label them a RINO for compromising for the greater good.

I guess it depends on how much the Tea Party mentality has, or might, waned due to the consequences of the election. I would hope that the more moderate aspects of the GOP would be emboldened that they're more what Americans are looking for, but it seems that the Tea Party aspect has pretty much just doubled down. Then again, it's only been a little more than a week, and passions are still running high. Fortunately, that won't change the reality of what happened.

I think it depends on the electorate. We lost Russ Feingold in a tea party wave to Ron Johnson who isn't a total idiot but will toe the party line (so far as has been seen) unlike Russ who put state and citizen ahead of party.


But the Tea Party wave of 2010 was a hindrance for 2012. When Michelle Bachmann's seat is contestable, you're not looking at a lock of an ideology.
 
2012-11-16 09:56:41 PM  
said that in 06, came back four years later
 
2012-11-16 09:57:34 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: I think it depends on the electorate. We lost Russ Feingold in a tea party wave to Ron Johnson who isn't a total idiot but will toe the party line (so far as has been seen) unlike Russ who put state and citizen ahead of party.


No, no. Ron's a total idiot. He immediately alienated enough people to where his chance at any seniority-related benefits are already almost nil (my pre-redistricting representative, Tom Petri, has worked himself into similar circumstances) and he will never be anything more than a backbencher no matter how many terms he wins. He rarely says anything, and when he does say something, it's incredibly dumb. The guy ran on 'isn't three terms enough for a Senator? Let's get someone else in there,' and he is quite literally nothing more than Someone Else. He is the Replacement-Level Senator.
 
2012-11-16 10:01:37 PM  
Let me know when the fist GOP (Gigantic Orwellian Pussy) Grover Norquist's office and tells him to pack the promise they signed where the sun don't shine. If one does it publicly then many more may follow? But it will take one with a huge set to be the first.
 
2012-11-16 10:01:54 PM  
They weren't willing to negotiate because they were "winning".

Unfortunately, it was Charlie Sheen style "Winning".
 
2012-11-16 10:02:50 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: President Obama needs to fark with them. Offer a straight up deal: a one year extension of the Bush tax cuts or the elimination of the sequester, on the condition that the Senate ratifies ALL filibustered appointments within 2 weeks. Any poison pill or partisan riders on the bills and the deal is off, but promise to sign one that gets to his desk.

Let the warhawks and the Norquist idiots have a civil war. If nothing comes from it, he gets both tax increases and military cuts. Worst case is the President gets one of the two but fills all his appointments.


no more one year extensions on budget items. enough with that nonsense.
 
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