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2012-11-16 10:58:37 PM

Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.


the average union worker doesn't have the ambition to be self-employed and be the risk-taker. They like to let someone else bargain for them and mindlessly play themselves as pawns in game of chess.

LOL unions are for slugs and thugs
 
2012-11-16 10:59:13 PM

Darth_Lukecash: The fact that the CEO farking took a BIG ASS raise means he's not a farking liberal.


You mean like Bernie Madoff?
 
2012-11-16 11:04:34 PM
Sweater Girl
I'd actually be surprised if Google doesn't buy it. Seems they are doing their best to own everything else. At least it would be one less click after entering "Chocodiles+shipped+cost"


We're getting Google fiber here. Why not a networked 3-d printer/oven? Full custom fresh baked snack cakes.

/i googled the coordinates from your profile. It reminded me of when we got a call from my niece - "We're in Elephant Butt!
 
2012-11-16 11:04:57 PM

Sweater Girl: Nutsac_Jim

Not that I have a dog in the fight, but it's an attitude like yours that employees should be wary of.
It's odd that anyone who is 'above' the others is the first to place the blame on those others.
As in, the people THEY hired.
What does that say about them?


Were you trying to make a point?

What attitude? You mean the attitude that perhaps workers that demand so much money that a company can't survive might be a counter productive attitude?

Yeah, I'd be very wary of that attitude. We have an idiom in this land sounding suspiciously like "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face" for that one.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:44 PM
ep.yimg.com

Some perspective on the Hostess debacle:

In the 60s a Drakes Ring Ding used to be 3x the size, cost 10 cents, and had to be refrigerated or else it would melt. In other words it was made with real chocolate. The Federal Reserve and it's money printing killed candy in this country LONG before any union placed the final straw.
 
2012-11-16 11:13:00 PM

stirfrybry: Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.

the average union worker doesn't have the ambition to be self-employed and be the risk-taker. They like to let someone else bargain for them and mindlessly play themselves as pawns in game of chess.

LOL unions are for slugs and thugs


So you some Atlas or Master of the Universe holding up the sky for us with your own company, or are you a wage slave to a boss?
 
2012-11-16 11:13:17 PM
Great, now I have to go buy a giant box of Its-Its, thanks to this thread.
 
2012-11-16 11:17:42 PM
When I was little, my daddy told me that if you ate more than twenty Twinkies during your lifetime, would not need to be embalmed after I die.

After I turned twenty one, he told me that if I drank more than a six-pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon during my lifetime, my face would implode.

Thank god for Lucky Lager. There is a kindergarten education under each bottle cap.

/What, no sense of humor?
 
2012-11-16 11:21:01 PM

Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.


Why haven't workers bought more companies then, if it's such a great solution?
 
2012-11-16 11:22:40 PM
It's gonna be a fun night.

Dear Jerk, you get it! Awesome. Actually not at those coordinates anymore but Butte is beautiful. Much more pleasant folks than TorC

Sack- No my point is towards the employer. It's not like someone walks in on their first day of work and says GIMME MORE MONEY.
If you can't screen people properly, don't gripe afterwards. At the same time..be fair. If you are hiring someone to take the blame at least sack up and tell them.
 
2012-11-16 11:28:17 PM

strobe: [ep.yimg.com image 797x321]

Some perspective on the Hostess debacle:

In the 60s a Drakes Ring Ding used to be 3x the size, cost 10 cents, and had to be refrigerated or else it would melt. In other words it was made with real chocolate. The Federal Reserve and it's money printing killed candy in this country LONG before any union placed the final straw.


What?
Never refriged Ring Dings. OR Funny Bones.
 
2012-11-16 11:28:37 PM
Oh Susie Q
Oh Susie Q
Oh Susie Q
Baby I love you Susie Q
 
2012-11-16 11:30:08 PM

TheHighlandHowler: Shedding the complications of the unions and old plants makes it even more attractive.

Yep, just the name. No plants or employees, like PBR.


Yup. Dick move. Chinese Twinkies.
 
2012-11-16 11:41:33 PM
Thud on top, I eat the Chocodile,
And ever since then I got disseminated.
Well it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

/at last, obscurity on Fark
 
2012-11-16 11:42:23 PM
This whole debacle makes me chuckle. Hostess called their bluff and walked away a winner. All those people put themselves out of work while the owners cashed out and won.
 
2012-11-16 11:44:05 PM
I wonder if I'm the only person in America who's never eaten a Twinkie, Ding Dong, or anything like that. Just never had the desire to, at all.
 
2012-11-16 11:47:01 PM
My cosmic brownies are safe, right? Mmm.
 
2012-11-16 11:47:24 PM
Breakfast of champions....

www.wideawakeinwonderland.com
 
2012-11-16 11:50:09 PM

astouffer: Hostess called their bluff and walked away a winner. All those people put themselves out of work while the owners cashed out and won.


They thought they could have their cake and eat it too.

Stands to reason I suppose.

VTGremlin: I wonder if I'm the only person in America who's never eaten a Twinkie, Ding Dong, or anything like that.


Yes you are.
 
2012-11-16 11:50:24 PM

stirfrybry: Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.

the average union worker doesn't have the ambition to be self-employed and be the risk-taker. They like to let someone else bargain for them and mindlessly play themselves as pawns in game of chess.

LOL unions are for slugs and thugs


Or like 3 of my uncles, they don't have Mommy and Daddy to give them a loan to start a business (their parents, my Grandparents, fled Poland after WWII with pretty much nothing).

BTW 2 of them *do* own their own businesses now - bc after they got out of the military union work gave them a decent wage so they could save up and do just that. One of them is still union (sheetmetal workers, does his own HVAC and owns rentals).
 
2012-11-17 12:05:33 AM

strobe: Some perspective on the Hostess debacle:

In the 60s a Drakes Ring Ding used to be 3x the size, cost 10 cents, and had to be refrigerated or else it would melt. In other words it was made with real chocolate. The Federal Reserve and it's money printing killed candy in this country LONG before any union placed the final straw.


cookie-monster-ron-paul.jpg
 
2012-11-17 12:07:10 AM

skinink: So whick eBay buyers of the 'last' Twinkies feel like suckers now?

It's sad and funny that there will now be a Hostess without the Unions who went on strike in the first place. So now if any of them are hired by the new owners, the workers will have no bargaining power at all.


Don't be so sure.
 
2012-11-17 12:09:08 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-17 12:10:32 AM
They can just call them Suzy Booze
 
2012-11-17 12:11:01 AM
Hey don't knock PBR. It is the best of the cheap swill. Don't knock twinkies. They're the best of the cheap food swill.
 
2012-11-17 12:11:41 AM

TreeHugger: Thud on top, I eat the Chocodile,
And ever since then I got disseminated.
Well it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

/at last, obscurity on Fark


Soul Coughing is not obscure.

/you get the ankles, and I'll get the wrists
 
2012-11-17 12:13:57 AM

HotWingAgenda: TreeHugger: Thud on top, I eat the Chocodile,
And ever since then I got disseminated.
Well it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

/at last, obscurity on Fark

Soul Coughing is not obscure.

/you get the ankles, and I'll get the wrists


//white.... girl.
 
2012-11-17 12:23:08 AM
Evan Metropoulos, CEO of PBR was teh CEO of Bumble Bee when he was 16 years old. Pretty amazing. Howard Stern used to have him on all the time because he was amazed tha a kid that young could be a CEO of a major company.
 
2012-11-17 12:24:09 AM
I have never purchased any of these products in my life. I've maybe tasted one of them before. But I'm not even sure about that.

Is it possible people like the idea of something called a HoHo, but not actually paying for and eating it?
 
2012-11-17 12:33:06 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.

Why haven't workers bought more companies then, if it's such a great solution?


There are many operations that do exist, usually on a small level (a large example would be Mondragon) and capital markers haven't matured yet to free it open. It is bigger in the third world, so much so that the UN has name 2012 the year of the Co-operative.

Even Ronald Reagan endorsed such an idea where employees become part of the ownership as a way to increase liberty.
 
2012-11-17 12:33:59 AM
a union tried to take over my food coop, where I work, and we crushed the UCFW's dream of getting a big ol fat check every month for doing absolutely nothing. my wage, insurance/benefits, and job security are by far better than any of their propaganda contracts they showed....Felt great to tell them to go fark themselves, even after the union eliminating as many no votes as they could. Staff that worked there for more than a decade or two.

FARK you UCFW local 555....hope you lose the other two thirds of your assets this year ya crooks.hahahahahahahahahahahaha
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20120825/NEWS/2 0 8250310

"About a dozen of the co-op's staff, whose status the union deemed managerial, were excluded from voting in the election. The votes of six other assistant managers would have been counted only had the final tally been within six votes."
 
2012-11-17 12:40:24 AM

VTGremlin: I wonder if I'm the only person in America who's never eaten a Twinkie, Ding Dong, or anything like that. Just never had the desire to, at all.


I'm pretty sure I haven't eaten a Twinkie before either. Not many snack cakes in general for that matter, just don't care for them much.
 
2012-11-17 12:44:09 AM

Ed Willy: Debeo Summa Credo: Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.

Why haven't workers bought more companies then, if it's such a great solution?

There are many operations that do exist, usually on a small level (a large example would be Mondragon) and capital markers haven't matured yet to free it open. It is bigger in the third world, so much so that the UN has name 2012 the year of the Co-operative.

Even Ronald Reagan endorsed such an idea where employees become part of the ownership as a way to increase liberty.


WinCo Foods is an employee owned company that is kicking the ever living shiat out of every single grocery store chain they compete against. Even WalMart loses when WinCo moves in.

WinCo is vehemently anti-union. They pay a good wage, have good benefits and for the most part make sound business decisions. Their growth feeds the company I work for which keeps food on the table for my kids. This because they refuse to work with unions. Fark unions. Unions would make my kids starve.

/biased and proud of it
//fark unions
///fark unions again for good measure
 
2012-11-17 12:45:06 AM
scr*w the twinky, let it die.

Now the Snowball on the other hand...
 
2012-11-17 12:47:19 AM

Yamaneko2: skinink: So whick eBay buyers of the 'last' Twinkies feel like suckers now?

It's sad and funny that there will now be a Hostess without the Unions who went on strike in the first place. So now if any of them are hired by the new owners, the workers will have no bargaining power at all.

Don't be so sure.


The UnionPlus website states that Pabst is brewed by workers in the UAW.
 
2012-11-17 12:48:15 AM

pyrotek85: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7438780/80751215#c80751215" target="_blank">VTGremlin</a>:</b> <i>I wonder if I'm the only person in America who's never eaten a Twinkie, Ding Dong, or anything like that. Just never had the desire to, at all.</i>

I'm pretty sure I haven't eaten a Twinkie before either. Not many snack cakes in general for that matter, just don't care for them much.


You two helped put 18,000 people out of work with that attitude. You better start supporting merica by consuming high calorie food junk food.
 
2012-11-17 12:59:15 AM
Twinkies, Ho-ho's and PBR?!

We need someone to get in front of a camera with all that, shouting "I'm white trash, and I'm in trouble!"

/god bless Trey Parker and Matt Stone
 
2012-11-17 01:05:08 AM
Sheeples put themselves out of work. I'm sure the union folks are crying in their beds right now, belonging to a hotel, that they're writing off for the expenses on your dues....twice, probably.
 
2012-11-17 01:08:44 AM
I would go out and buy a Twinkie that came with the original banana-flavored filling. Until the, I can't be arsed
 
2012-11-17 01:11:15 AM

simsite9: "Shedding the complications of the unions and old plants makes it even more attractive."

I'm sure the 18,500 employees will be so relieved.


They decided they wanted a 100% pay cut instead of an 8%. At this point I don't think the company gives a flying fark how relieved they feel.
 
2012-11-17 01:30:27 AM

farkinlovit: Sheeples put themselves out of work. I'm sure the union folks are crying in their beds right now, belonging to a hotel, that they're writing off for the expenses on your dues....twice, probably.


You seem like the sheeple here. Company triples the pay of the CEO and jacks executive pay rates after bankruptcy. They offer a shiat contract to the union and close down when it is not accepted. PBR owner mentions they've been watching the company for years, and now act when they can dump unions and old factories onto communities. Let's keep an eye on the CEo and execs and see if they don't get jobs/consultant gigs with the new corporate owners.
 
2012-11-17 01:36:17 AM

Fade2black: They decided they wanted a 100% pay cut instead of an 8%. At this point I don't think the company gives a flying fark how relieved they feel.


and if hostess hadn't been mismanaged it would be doing fine and there'd be no talk of pay cuts. Also how about the execs getting pay raises while the company is in trouble? Or are the people who drove the company into the ground not to be blamed?
 
2012-11-17 01:39:26 AM

Ed Willy: farkinlovit: Sheeples put themselves out of work. I'm sure the union folks are crying in their beds right now, belonging to a hotel, that they're writing off for the expenses on your dues....twice, probably.

You seem like the sheeple here. Company triples the pay of the CEO and jacks executive pay rates after bankruptcy. They offer a shiat contract to the union and close down when it is not accepted. PBR owner mentions they've been watching the company for years, and now act when they can dump unions and old factories onto communities. Let's keep an eye on the CEo and execs and see if they don't get jobs/consultant gigs with the new corporate owners.


exactly why there isn't a CEO that pays me. noone forced you into a union job.......or did they??? FARK: I work at a community owned workplace that takes very good care of me. that was my choice. I pay 59 bucks a month pre tax to insure my kid with better insurance than any union contract. show me one, and I'll gladly still not sign up. Fark unions, you made the bed you're gonna sleep in. The actual union employees are wining, dining, and rooming on your dime feeling GRRRREEEATT about themselves.
 
2012-11-17 01:41:28 AM
Wait.... What?
 
2012-11-17 01:41:36 AM

farkinlovit: noone forced you into a union job.......or did they???


No one forced the execs of Hostess to manage it into bankruptcy, twice.
 
2012-11-17 01:54:01 AM

Ed Willy: smitty04: Since Miller makes the beer for PBR, who will make the Ho-Ho's for the new owners. Maybe the unions can buy the bakeries and make products for PBR.

MIller is union mad beer (Teamsters) and I think the PBR line is UAW made.

http://www.unionplus.org/union-made/beers

So this might end up going back to union made work, assuming the contractor is union.

The idea of the union buying the bakeries isn't unheard of, if they did a co-op. The Steelworkers Union is partnering with Spanish co-operative conglomerate Mondragon to develop worker run and union represented cooperatives. http://www.usw.org/media_center/releases_advisories?id=0523

I think with money men killing industry, the only answer is for workers to buy it themselves, while still competing on the open market. That's market socialism, which gives the perks of self management and ownership, plus market competition, and instead of workers, it's useless money men left out in the cold.


I'm actually really supportive of this idea. If done correctly it breaks the paradigm of money being pulled out of the economy through goods sold to the lower and middle classes (produced by their own labor, btw) and the value being diverted to the upper classes and investors.

Btw, if you are curious - look into how Valve runs their enterprise. To me it seems like a sensible way to extract and retain value from a work force inside a high tech environment.
 
2012-11-17 02:04:30 AM
Current job is union. Normally don't care for unions, as they always sound whiny, and my father's experiences with them (see above csb) left much to be desired. However, working a job where I'm routinely exposed to saliva, blood and other bodily fluids, and 90% of the employees only have a basic grasp of the english language, having a union is fairly crucial. We're negotiating our contract tomorrow, and if we're lucky, we might finally get a direct deposit option.

Unions aren't always the problem, sometimes it's mismanaging dicks that refuse to bend to reasonable requests.
 
2012-11-17 02:09:16 AM

chaosweaver: Current job is union. Normally don't care for unions, as they always sound whiny, and my father's experiences with them (see above csb) left much to be desired. However, working a job where I'm routinely exposed to saliva, blood and other bodily fluids, and 90% of the employees only have a basic grasp of the english language, having a union is fairly crucial. We're negotiating our contract tomorrow, and if we're lucky, we might finally get a direct deposit option.

Unions aren't always the problem, sometimes it's mismanaging dicks that refuse to bend to reasonable requests.


You make a good point most union basher forget - it's not all about money. Hell, PATCO wasn't about wages (those are set by Congress and can't be got by bargaining). Working conditions are important, especially safety
 
2012-11-17 02:17:30 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: hipster



Aar1012: So Twinkees will become Hipster food? Can hipsters be fat?


Like as if, everybody knows DIng Dongs are the way to go, wrapped in recyclable foil, and not earth killing plastics.
 
2012-11-17 02:32:22 AM

Hand Banana: Whoever gets it I hope they go back to the older recipes before they replaced all the ingredients with cheap crap and chemical preservatives. Maybe it is rose tinted glasses but I seem to remember them tasting much better once upon a time. They were probably awesome in the 30s.


You're not imagining. :(
 
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