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(CNN) Video Live CNN discussion between an Israeli and a Palestinian. Israeli: They are intentionally targetting civilians, and we do not do that. Palestinian: "Well. I :BOOM:: BOOM: :BOOM: ++++ NO CARRIER +++"   (cnn.com) divider line 81
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2012-11-16 07:45:17 PM
12 votes:
i575.photobucket.com
2012-11-16 07:20:26 PM
12 votes:
Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.
2012-11-16 07:23:10 PM
9 votes:
THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE

Stop it

Stop politicizing this crap

This is NOT a left/right issue

Stop making it one
2012-11-16 08:04:16 PM
7 votes:
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
2012-11-16 07:24:07 PM
7 votes:

sophus_tree: Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.


That guys seriously wins a ton of cred. To keep his cool and want to stay on message while getting bombed straight to fark is impressive.

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.
2012-11-16 07:20:10 PM
7 votes:
Best strategy for both sides: Israel stops building settlements, lightens the blockade to allow aid and stops trying to block the PLO in the UN. This would take away some of Hamas' justification for violence and raise global sympathy for Israel. At the same time, Abbas could that window to push for non-violent resistance and counter terrorist messaging.

Chances of that happening without serious pressure from the US on Israel...0.
2012-11-16 07:58:57 PM
5 votes:
Just go back to pre-1967 borders and end the BS already. This has gone on way too long.
i.imgur.com
2012-11-16 07:22:48 PM
4 votes:

sophus_tree: Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.


Yeah that was pretty awesome. He's trying to have a debate an the Israeli guy is just rattling off the ages of his daughters and grandparents....

As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...
2012-11-16 08:28:21 PM
3 votes:

Leo Bloom's Freakout: Goals, targets you can hit with what you have, ability to make a clear message (maybe something like blowing a hole in the wall and killing gate guards to show you won't be caged in for example). With how many purportedly were shot (150-300?), couldn't they be employed in a way that makes a more military-style statement?


I would suspect the goal is to goad Israel into overreacting and killing a bunch of civilians in Gaza and gaining international sympathy. As such, it doesn't really matter what they aim them at as long as they kill a few Israelis.
2012-11-16 08:21:15 PM
3 votes:

clambam: Oh I'm well aware that there are all sorts of ethnicities and cultural variations within Arab cultures. Nevertheless they all speak Arabic and they're virtually all Muslim. shiat most of them are Sunni Muslims.


Ever speak Lebanese Arabic in Morocco? South Sudan? Aint gonna work. Its so different, it will make your head spin. The varieties of Islam is enough to make you go all mnemonic to memorize them.

Conflation doesn't come close to describing what you are doing.
2012-11-16 08:06:30 PM
3 votes:

clambam: GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 453x604]

Damn, what a shiatty life you have. Have you considered emigrating to one of those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do, and have one million square miles of mostly empty territory in which to resettle you? No? How about that country right next door, Jordan, which is already 60% Palestinian Arab and which was actually your homeland until 1967? No? The only place you'll accept is the 6,000 square miles of territory in Israel, the one your grandparents emigrated to in the 1920's specifically to keep Jews out? I understand perfectly, you poor thing. Those five million mean ol' Jews are mistreating all 300 million of you innocent Arabs. You poor, poor losers.


I'm more American than you are, and not religious in the least.
2012-11-16 08:05:58 PM
3 votes:

clambam: GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 453x604]

Damn, what a shiatty life you have. Have you considered emigrating to one of those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do, and have one million square miles of mostly empty territory in which to resettle you? No? How about that country right next door, Jordan, which is already 60% Palestinian Arab and which was actually your homeland until 1967? No? The only place you'll accept is the 6,000 square miles of territory in Israel, the one your grandparents emigrated to in the 1920's specifically to keep Jews out? I understand perfectly, you poor thing. Those five million mean ol' Jews are mistreating all 300 million of you innocent Arabs. You poor, poor losers.


Have you ever considered making a damn lick of sense?
2012-11-16 08:00:53 PM
3 votes:

clambam: those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do


You know how I know you never studied Arabic or Arabic culture?
2012-11-16 07:44:01 PM
3 votes:
It's pretty telling that he's so used to bombs going off right outside his home.
2012-11-16 07:31:07 PM
3 votes:

LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.


Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately
2012-11-17 12:12:34 AM
2 votes:

yousaywut: Really I mean really really you believe this? Yeah far right extremist arse holes in the evangelical community can go somewhere into this neighborhood of retarded but most normal people don't believe this. Please look farther back than 10 years this area has seen nothing but strife since back when the Israelites wiped out the Caananites or some shiat like that.

/The U.S. started helping modern Israel after they had already fought and won 2 major wars for survival and then mostly due to generational guild for having denied asylum to the European Jewish population during the holocaust.

//Bad shiat happened and bad shiat will continue to happen unless somewhere somehow someone stops pointing the finger and starts talking to the other side.

/It's a dream I'm entitled just like everyone:)


Yeah...I wasn't talking about normal people, I was talking about the right wing (not moderates), who are, nowadays, insane. There are many people, as I told cman, who do support Israel because of the Holocaust. That's understandable, but that's not evangelicals.

Since you don't have TotalFark, I'm not sure how well you can see archived links, so here's a few choice quotes on Israel from fundies--the top two probably are enough, here's the Republican Party slamming the Democratic Platform for not wanting to hand Jerusalem to Israel exclusively, a policy which, if enacted, would cause a major war, (also listed on AP, I'm just using a lazy link) and here's a viewpoint I've found to be fairly common among evangelicals about Israel's ultimate role in the end times. Yes, it's hard to say that, normally, the Republican party or right wing would support a backhanded relationship with Israel, but the Republican party actively uses religion to make its platform and policy. Remember that panel of religious clergy debating on birth control for women? Those people are more moderate than the ones I'm talking about.

/The right wing, in all fairness, uses the Holocaust to justify a lot. They don't usually talk about the End Times bit publicly. But that doesn't mean they don't imply it pretty heavily, or advocate positions that are illogical unless you want to start a war.
2012-11-16 10:01:17 PM
2 votes:
New news

Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce
Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders.

Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination.

"I think that they have made a strategic mistake," Baskin said, an error "which will cost the lives of quite a number of innocent people on both sides."
2012-11-16 09:30:40 PM
2 votes:
i1182.photobucket.com
2012-11-16 08:50:10 PM
2 votes:

BolloxReader: Again, these guys are being used as propaganda tools and meatshields by the other regimes. I will keep beating the drums about this: Syria is Israel's real enemy here. This whole thing is just to distract them from the Syrian border following the attack on the Israeli outpost. There is nothing for Hamas to gain from this, other than continued patronage from the Assad regime (as long as it may last). It is STUPID for Hamas to do except under orders. And if I hadn't seen that Mythbusters episode I would call Israel the bull in the china shop at this moment.


I think most of the Arab countries use Palestine for their own petty reasons. Which is sad, really.

/But I think all of us can agree there's been too much innocent blood shed on both sides
2012-11-16 08:42:54 PM
2 votes:

DeltaPunch: sophus_tree: Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.

Yeah that was pretty awesome. He's trying to have a debate an the Israeli guy is just rattling off the ages of his daughters and grandparents....

As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...


This. Nice images of the kids popped in for the sympathy effect.
2012-11-16 08:32:40 PM
2 votes:

Leo Bloom's Freakout: theknuckler_33: It is one of two things or a combination of the two. They are fighting the great satan or simply just fighting against their oppressors any way they can. If you were in their situation, would you just sit by and take it? If I had multiple family members and friends who were completely non-militant that were killed by Israeli strikes or had their homes, businesses, lives ruined for no other reason than to create Israeli settlements in Gaza... I'd imagine that would make me pretty farking pissed off. With no recourse, legally... what do you do? After a while, I might just get so frustrated and insane with anger, that I might actually pick up and RPG and try to take out some of those MFers. I might. I'm not saying it's right... but I understand.

I completely agree on a lot of that, and desperation can make people do a lot of things, but the quantity of rockets crossing the border did not sound like one guy and maybe a few of his buddies snapping. It seems pretty large in scale and so, if you're going to organize at that level, wouldn't there be a little more direction?


You realize Israel blockades the shiat out palestinian territories, right? No, it's not one guy and a few of his buddies. Take my scenario and times it by thousands. They still aren't getting tanks and fighter planes into Gaza from Iran or elsewhere. They can only get stuff that can be smuggled in. Just because they can't fight a proper war doesn't mean their desire to strike back isn't just as strong. You seem to be suggesting that since they know they can't win, they should just submit to tyrannical oppresive rule... that was forced upon them unilaterally about 70 years ago with virtually no input on their part.
2012-11-16 08:13:04 PM
2 votes:

Leo Bloom's Freakout: theknuckler_33: Blue_Blazer: theknuckler_33: To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.

Point of order here: the Palestinian rockets are hardly capable of being aimed. I will not speculate as to whether it would make a difference. Probably not, as neither side seems interested in avoiding civilian casualities.

That was the point, they don't have weapons sophisticated enough to aim precisely at military targets, they just fire off rockets towards the nearest towns/cities. And, frankly, I don't blame them.

What is accomplished in doing so though? I mean, is it the equivalent of blowing off steam?

I don't understand how it moves forward on any strategic military goals, they're not taking anything over, they're not clearing a hole in the wall to lead a counter-force through, and they aren't engendering anyone to want to sit and discuss how to make something better once they land rockets in Isreal.

I don't know what the good solutions are, but I don't see how lobbing unaimable rockets at random is anything other than bringing the wrath of a titan back upon them. It would be like being in prison and punching a guard because I'm pissed about being there (there's even an argument that I might be imprisoned unjustly)... I may hurt him ever so slightly, but he then has every ability to respond with unchecked force and will be seen as having some justification in doing so. Furthermore it hurts me when I'm standing in court trying to argue my case.


It is one of two things or a combination of the two. They are fighting the great satan or simply just fighting against their oppressors any way they can. If you were in their situation, would you just sit by and take it? If I had multiple family members and friends who were completely non-militant that were killed by Israeli strikes or had their homes, businesses, lives ruined for no other reason than to create Israeli settlements in Gaza... I'd imagine that would make me pretty farking pissed off. With no recourse, legally... what do you do? After a while, I might just get so frustrated and insane with anger, that I might actually pick up and RPG and try to take out some of those MFers. I might. I'm not saying it's right... but I understand.
2012-11-16 07:33:40 PM
2 votes:

gaspode: LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.

Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately


Quite true. It's not like the guys firing rockets from Gaza are carefully targeting. But as you said, lots of Israelis (and Americans and other assorted morons) think any Palestinian is fair game.

This isn't going to be pleasant for anyone, but I guarantee I know who comes out of this a LOT worse in the end.
2012-11-16 07:21:46 PM
2 votes:
Someone's winning and award for that one.

Which really just says it all about OUR emotional involvement.
2012-11-16 07:21:23 PM
2 votes:
The Palestinian guy was, obviously, living in a military bunker.
2012-11-17 09:53:27 PM
1 votes:
This land is mine. Suck it the rest of humanity.
2012-11-17 09:04:35 AM
1 votes:

shotglasss: BalugaJoe: Gazans should move to Beverly Hills.

LOL, and the White House too. They'd be welcomed with open arms in both places.


I think it would be a lot more fun to relocate them to the deep South, and make sure they have funding available to build large, prominent mosques everywhere they settle.
For teh lulz!
2012-11-17 05:38:26 AM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: sophus_tree: Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.

That guys seriously wins a ton of cred. To keep his cool and want to stay on message while getting bombed straight to fark is impressive.

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.


And certain people are going to defend Israel for using what those same people have been criticizing Obama for using: drone strikes.
2012-11-17 03:53:34 AM
1 votes:

CygnusDarius: If I had the money and resources, I'd:

1.- Use small nuclear weapons on both israel and palestine. Nothing big, but on key places (the Wall of Lamentations would be one, and since it's right next to a mosque, I'd hit two birds in one stone).
2.- do a massive announcement, basically saying "It was me. I am not tied to any both of the countries. I did it alone, with no one else helping me. I am waiting for you"
3.- Watch both countries unite against a common enemy. Peace is made.


The "Dr. Manhattan" Gambit?

Too bad this is actually a proxy war, with Hamas being supplied and controlled by Syria and Iran to keep Israel occupied in Gaza (and perhaps Lebanon, if Hezbollah gets involved), while Syria fights their civil war and Iran keeps on working towards getting The Bomb.
2012-11-17 02:26:25 AM
1 votes:

PsiChick: Party Boy: PsiChick: Pretty much what I was saying. :)

Yeah, I'm not really arguing as much as I'm sitting here, wanting a little background.

No antagonism. Hot chocolate.

Hot chocolate is fantastic. Someday I'll figure out how to add peppermint to it without needing to melt candy in...


Peppermint Schnapps.
2012-11-17 02:00:36 AM
1 votes:

yousaywut: Tellingthem: You know the more i read about this the more i think that both Hamas and Israel have made a tactical error here. I think that Hamas just wanted a little dust-up like they have had before and misjudged how Israel would respond. It also seems like Israel misread hamas intentions and hit back a lot harder than hamas figured they would.  Which triggered a much larger response from Hamas and other groups. And now it just keeps escalating on itself.

Is this a repeat from the past 30 years or so?


Kind of i guess. It just seems like there has been a slow progression towards some stability over the last couple of years. And for everything to suddenly explode like this and in this dramatic of a fashion. It just seems more odd than the usual spats they have.

\or maybe i'm just reading to much and it's just one of those things you can't explain
2012-11-17 01:41:55 AM
1 votes:

PsiChick: ...Not sure what you're saying here beyond 'both sides are bad so this didn't happen'. Did you read the link I posted where the Republican party, who are more moderate than the folks I was talking about, condemned Democrats for not advocating a position that, if it ever came to pass, would lead to devastating warfare? That's kind of a big clue there.


/I'm not supporting or condemning Israel in any of this, btw. I'm criticizing America's interactions with Israel, or at least the right-wing interactions. The 'ZOMG HOLOCAUST I MUST GIVE YOU MONEY EVEN IF YOU'RE THE AGRESSOR' bit...well, that's another conversation and I'm not going there.



No I am saying the fringes are nuts. Also condemning the Democratic Party for either holding or not holding any position on any subject that's kind of what politicians do so I don't really put much stock in that. Mostly because there is too much of the extending of the other side's position to the point of absurdity.

//Most democrats I know don't want to go all communist or socialist they just want people to have a fair shot as surviving life's unexpected curves. I see nothing wrong with this position but if you talk to a Republican partisan this position doesn't exist.

As an alternate example to your statement that the Republicans want a war with 1billion people. That isn't accurate either.
2012-11-17 01:22:43 AM
1 votes:

PsiChick: And do you mind citing any other reasons the party of religion would support an Israeli conflict, keeping in mind that 'to gain power' is unlikely after Bush's huge unpopularity?


Bush, Rove, etc. are often criticized using Evangelicals as eager pawns. "National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous,' 'out of control,' and just plain 'goofy,'"
2012-11-17 01:20:59 AM
1 votes:

Party Boy: Fubini: Show us actual US politicians voicing support for Israel in order to bring about armageddon. Cite reputable journalistic sources, or their own platforms.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

I'm not arguing for or against US intervention in this affair, but it's pretty clear that you've let some warped ideas get into your head. There are far more rational reasons why US politicians would like to see an Israeli conflict

Can you do the same? Cite reputable journalistic sources, or their own platforms?


Here's the top hit on google.

Of course religion and politics are funny things. John King supported a terrorist organization but he loudly denounces terrorism. To say, to say, "I wanna bring about the kingdom of heaven as the bible foretold" is to have evangelicals donate their life savings to see you elected. To say, ""I wanna blow up the world in accordance with biblical prophecy," is to say the same damn thing but have everyone INCLUDING the evangelicals run the fark away. But to Fubini we're supposed to pretend that politicians don't know how to speak politically.
2012-11-16 10:39:46 PM
1 votes:

cman: See my above post


About Germany? That...really doesn't change the fact that, in America, it's political.

/If you're saying that America would come because of the Holocaust and not the End Times, well, some, but not the political folks. The political folks tend to overlap more with the End Times folks than the Holocaust ones. Which is ridiculous given that you'd think religious people would be the most horrified at the Holocaust because of the whole 'be nice to people' thing...but yeah, no, there's a lot of Fark links where they outright admit it, albeit in smaller publications.
2012-11-16 10:38:55 PM
1 votes:

2xhelix: Just go back to pre-1967 borders and end the BS already. This has gone on way too long.

2012-11-16 10:26:13 PM
1 votes:

cman: THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE

Stop it

Stop politicizing this crap

This is NOT a left/right issue

Stop making it one


Welp, today I'm in a mood for calling people out, so...um, bullsh*t. The right has spent at least ten years (how long I've had any knowledge of politics personally) saying exactly one thing about Israel: Palestine is the aggressor and the Gaza Strip belongs to Israel, ISRAEL MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS! And they're saying that because, as evangelicals, they believe the only way to bring about the Second Coming is for Jerusalem to be destroyed. So they want a war. They want a violent, chaotic war.

I'm actually kind of sorry if you didn't already know this, but this is what the right has been saying and is saying today. That's why everyone claims Obama is anti-Israel, and why Bush was seen as 'pro'-Israel. It's a relationship intended to destroy Israel because they think that's what Christ wants.

Can't get much more political or religious than that.
2012-11-16 10:16:20 PM
1 votes:

cman: THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE

Stop it

Stop politicizing this crap

This is NOT a left/right issue

Stop making it one


An American ally dropping US-supplied bombs on a neutral party using mostly American money to fund their operations in breaking a treaty that was partially brokered by the US in a region full of US allies and economic interests isn't an American issue?

Wow, that's not even modern isolationist, that's like 1870s isolationist. Where the hell did you come from?
2012-11-16 09:55:42 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: organizmx: Party Boy: organizmx: Kanemano: [d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 480x397]

My friend Yousef (who was on MSNBC today talking about this) wrote a fantastic article about how difficult it is for him and his wife to travel back home, because he's technically an Israeli citizen, and she isn't. Its like two different planes they have to fly, two different airports, checkpoints, etc.

Please share.

I'm sure he'd appreciate the interest!

Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal

FTA:

If we lived in the region, I would have to forgo my residency, since Israeli law prevents my wife from living with me in Israel. This is to prevent what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu once referred to as "demographic spillover." Additional Palestinian babies in Israel are considered "demographic threats" by a state constantly battling to keep a Jewish majority. (Of course, Israelis who marry Americans or any non-Palestinian foreigners are not subjected to this treatment.)

Not too many places in the world can get away with blatant racism like that.


That is the crux. Blatant Mother farking Racism. Call it whatever you want same shiat different pile.
2012-11-16 09:46:00 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Mazzic518: theknuckler_33: GAT_00: JFC: So.
What was with the photos of children and elderly folk while the Israeli was talking?
What was the point of that?

To show that Israel can do no wrong.

It would only have been more amusing if while the Palestinian was talking that they showed militants with grenade launchers and machine guns and their head wraps (don't know the proper name for that).

Shemaghs

Thanks... I nearly used the word 'towel'. *eyeroll*

/It is damned hard fighting against my upbringing sometimes!


www.fbastard.com
2012-11-16 09:38:55 PM
1 votes:

organizmx: Party Boy: organizmx: Kanemano: [d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 480x397]

My friend Yousef (who was on MSNBC today talking about this) wrote a fantastic article about how difficult it is for him and his wife to travel back home, because he's technically an Israeli citizen, and she isn't. Its like two different planes they have to fly, two different airports, checkpoints, etc.

Please share.

I'm sure he'd appreciate the interest!

Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal


FTA:

If we lived in the region, I would have to forgo my residency, since Israeli law prevents my wife from living with me in Israel. This is to prevent what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu once referred to as "demographic spillover." Additional Palestinian babies in Israel are considered "demographic threats" by a state constantly battling to keep a Jewish majority. (Of course, Israelis who marry Americans or any non-Palestinian foreigners are not subjected to this treatment.)

Not too many places in the world can get away with blatant racism like that.
2012-11-16 09:34:54 PM
1 votes:

d23: a no carrier joke on Fark in 2012?


[thatsthejoke.jpg]
2012-11-16 09:33:34 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: GAT_00: JFC: So.
What was with the photos of children and elderly folk while the Israeli was talking?
What was the point of that?

To show that Israel can do no wrong.

It would only have been more amusing if while the Palestinian was talking that they showed militants with grenade launchers and machine guns and their head wraps (don't know the proper name for that).


Shemaghs
2012-11-16 09:20:22 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: It is one of two things or a combination of the two. They are fighting the great satan or simply just fighting against their oppressors any way they can. If you were in their situation, would you just sit by and take it? If I had multiple family members and friends who were completely non-militant that were killed by Israeli strikes or had their homes, businesses, lives ruined for no other reason than to create Israeli settlements in Gaza... I'd imagine that would make me pretty farking pissed off. With no recourse, legally... what do you do? After a while, I might just get so frustrated and insane with anger, that I might actually pick up and RPG and try to take out some of those MFers. I might. I'm not saying it's right... but I understand.


I do also. Now let's look at it from the other side:

It is one of two things or a combination of the two. They are fighting for the right to exist or simply just fighting against their sworn enemies and blood brothers any way they can. If you were in their situation, would you just sit by and take it? If I had multiple family members and friends who were completely non-militant that were killed by Palestinian strikes or had their homes, businesses, lives ruined for no other reason than to destroy Israeli settlements in Israel... I'd imagine that would make me pretty farking pissed off. With no recourse, legally... what do you do? After a while, I might just get so frustrated and insane with anger, that I might actually pick up an RPG and try to take out some of those MFers. I might. I'm not saying it's right... but I understand.

/see what I did there? 
//everyone involved has bloody hands
2012-11-16 09:04:46 PM
1 votes:

clambam: GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 453x604]

Damn, what a shiatty life you have. Have you considered emigrating to one of those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do, and have one million square miles of mostly empty territory in which to resettle you? No? How about that country right next door, Jordan, which is already 60% Palestinian Arab and which was actually your homeland until 1967? No? The only place you'll accept is the 6,000 square miles of territory in Israel, the one your grandparents emigrated to in the 1920's specifically to keep Jews out? I understand perfectly, you poor thing. Those five million mean ol' Jews are mistreating all 300 million of you innocent Arabs. You poor, poor losers.


Then you wonder why the entire world has wanted your people dead for thousands of years.
2012-11-16 08:58:25 PM
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Party Boy: organizmx: Kanemano: [d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 480x397]

My friend Yousef (who was on MSNBC today talking about this) wrote a fantastic article about how difficult it is for him and his wife to travel back home, because he's technically an Israeli citizen, and she isn't. Its like two different planes they have to fly, two different airports, checkpoints, etc.

Please share.


I'm sure he'd appreciate the interest!

Not All Israeli Citizens Are Equal
2012-11-16 08:55:59 PM
1 votes:
It is historical fact that towards the end of WWII, FDR looked into using Earth's moon as a place to resettle refugees. I wish they had done more.
2012-11-16 08:52:59 PM
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organizmx: Kanemano: [d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 480x397]

My friend Yousef (who was on MSNBC today talking about this) wrote a fantastic article about how difficult it is for him and his wife to travel back home, because he's technically an Israeli citizen, and she isn't. Its like two different planes they have to fly, two different airports, checkpoints, etc.


Please share.
2012-11-16 08:52:24 PM
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CygnusDarius: If I had the money and resources, I'd:

1.- Use small nuclear weapons on both israel and palestine. Nothing big, but on key places (the Wall of Lamentations would be one, and since it's right next to a mosque, I'd hit two birds in one stone).
2.- do a massive announcement, basically saying "It was me. I am not tied to any both of the countries. I did it alone, with no one else helping me. I am waiting for you"
3.- Watch both countries unite against a common enemy. Peace is made.


go back to reading watchmen you nerdy jackass
2012-11-16 08:49:16 PM
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theknuckler_33: You realize Israel blockades the shiat out palestinian territories, right? No, it's not one guy and a few of his buddies. Take my scenario and times it by thousands. They still aren't getting tanks and fighter planes into Gaza from Iran or elsewhere. They can only get stuff that can be smuggled in. Just because they can't fight a proper war doesn't mean their desire to strike back isn't just as strong. You seem to be suggesting that since they know they can't win, they should just submit to tyrannical oppresive rule... that was forced upon them unilaterally about 70 years ago with virtually no input on their part.


maybe they shouldn't have backed the Nazi's and pissed of the Brits who controlled the region, they did have input they backed the wrong sugar daddy and lost
2012-11-16 08:48:55 PM
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We biatch about shiat in the USA, small things that affect our daily lives, but at least we don't have to worry about mortars falling into our dining rooms while we eat, or being killed by a derp laden suicide bomber with no brain and 60 lbs of C4 strapped to his/her chest blowing up the restaurant we are eating at with our families. I feel sorry for the moderates on each side, they are caught in a battle between Israel and Hamas, and there is nothing they can do but hope a shell doesn't land on their families or they aren't hit by a random unguided rocket. I hope that you people on both sides decide that killing civilians brings NOBODY to your side, it just makes you look like murderers of innocents. Please stop the killing. The children you are killing have no political affiliation, and are innocent. Please stop before this escalates to the point where Israel rolls out the tanks and just starts blowing up buildings one after the other.
2012-11-16 08:47:24 PM
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chuggernaught: GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 453x604]

GentleFarkers, THIS is how you troll.


Truth is trolling now? I missed that meeting.
2012-11-16 08:46:36 PM
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theknuckler_33: Party Boy: clambam: Oh I'm well aware that there are all sorts of ethnicities and cultural variations within Arab cultures. Nevertheless they all speak Arabic and they're virtually all Muslim. shiat most of them are Sunni Muslims.

Ever speak Lebanese Arabic in Morocco? South Sudan? Aint gonna work. Its so different, it will make your head spin. The varieties of Islam is enough to make you go all mnemonic to memorize them.

Conflation doesn't come close to describing what you are doing.

Let's not also forget that Syria and Lebanon aren't exactly attractive alternatives at the moment. I suppose Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia might be locations to go to, but who knows what they immigration policies are and Palestinians might not be particularly enamoured about being under a monarchy rule.


Last I heard Jordan still keeps their Palestinians in refugee camps like all the other countries that took them in. It's one of the things that keeps everyone upset at Israel. "Look at what they did to these poor people! They forced entire generations to be born in these conditions!" Um, no, the "host" countries continue to keep them in camps, where groups like Hamas and Hezbollah are the ones running food kitchens and providing medical care.

Again, these guys are being used as propaganda tools and meatshields by the other regimes. I will keep beating the drums about this: Syria is Israel's real enemy here. This whole thing is just to distract them from the Syrian border following the attack on the Israeli outpost. There is nothing for Hamas to gain from this, other than continued patronage from the Assad regime (as long as it may last). It is STUPID for Hamas to do except under orders. And if I hadn't seen that Mythbusters episode I would call Israel the bull in the china shop at this moment.
2012-11-16 08:46:13 PM
1 votes:
If I had the money and resources, I'd:

1.- Use small nuclear weapons on both israel and palestine. Nothing big, but on key places (the Wall of Lamentations would be one, and since it's right next to a mosque, I'd hit two birds in one stone).
2.- do a massive announcement, basically saying "It was me. I am not tied to any both of the countries. I did it alone, with no one else helping me. I am waiting for you"
3.- Watch both countries unite against a common enemy. Peace is made.
2012-11-16 08:46:07 PM
1 votes:

Kanemano: [d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 480x397]


My friend Yousef (who was on MSNBC today talking about this) wrote a fantastic article about how difficult it is for him and his wife to travel back home, because he's technically an Israeli citizen, and she isn't. Its like two different planes they have to fly, two different airports, checkpoints, etc.
2012-11-16 08:32:33 PM
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theknuckler_33: Let's not also forget that Syria and Lebanon aren't exactly attractive alternatives at the moment. I suppose Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia might be locations to go to, but who knows what they immigration policies are and Palestinians might not be particularly enamoured about being under a monarchy rule.


They werent before this, too. Theres refugee camps with serious poverty. Its a deep conflation to think "Arab" as an interchangeable cog to fit in somewhere else "Arab." It also divorces the issue from its historical roots of struggle for land and legitimacy and empire stretching back to the later 1800's. Its really not a position people can take seriously.
2012-11-16 08:31:00 PM
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eiger: I would suspect the goal is to goad Israel into overreacting and killing a bunch of civilians in Gaza and gaining international sympathy. As such, it doesn't really matter what they aim them at as long as they kill a few Israelis.


To add one more thing. The Israeli leadership is in a tough position. They can't just not do anything, but, at the same time, almost anything they will do will backfire. Ultimately, there are only two possible solutions to this mess: a fair and equitable solution to the conflict or ethnic cleansing. And it seems like the current Israeli leadership is unwilling to countenance the former.
2012-11-16 08:30:46 PM
1 votes:

Party Boy: Chilling.



Boobies nailed it.

That was pants shiattingly frightening.
2012-11-16 08:27:46 PM
1 votes:

Party Boy: clambam: Oh I'm well aware that there are all sorts of ethnicities and cultural variations within Arab cultures. Nevertheless they all speak Arabic and they're virtually all Muslim. shiat most of them are Sunni Muslims.

Ever speak Lebanese Arabic in Morocco? South Sudan? Aint gonna work. Its so different, it will make your head spin. The varieties of Islam is enough to make you go all mnemonic to memorize them.

Conflation doesn't come close to describing what you are doing.


Let's not also forget that Syria and Lebanon aren't exactly attractive alternatives at the moment. I suppose Jordan and/or Saudi Arabia might be locations to go to, but who knows what they immigration policies are and Palestinians might not be particularly enamoured about being under a monarchy rule.
2012-11-16 08:25:00 PM
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Lawrence of Arabia is on Turner Classic Movies right now.

/Watch and learn about the inscrutable Arabs.
//It is written.
//No, nothing is written.

Club Secretary: I say, Lawrence. You are a clown!
T.E. Lawrence: Ah, well, we can't all be lion tamers.

Prince Feisal: No Arab loves the desert. We love water and green trees. There is nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing.
2012-11-16 08:20:24 PM
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Keizer_Ghidorah: Can we just eat them all?


They are both kosher.
2012-11-16 08:19:23 PM
1 votes:
Can we just eat them all?
2012-11-16 08:17:06 PM
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Party Boy: clambam: those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do

You know how I know you never studied Arabic or Arabic culture?


Oh I'm well aware that there are all sorts of ethnicities and cultural variations within Arab cultures. Nevertheless they all speak Arabic and they're virtually all Muslim. shiat most of them are Sunni Muslims. You might as well tell me I'm being insensitive by lumping Methodists in with Presbyterians. The fact remains, they could fit into a "new" culture with the same ease an American could fit into Australia. He might not be comfortable at first, but it would still be pretty easy.

I note you forgot to say something snarky about my "Jordan is 60% Palestinian" line. Because it's true. The Palestinians can't move there because the Hashemites are assholes? Oh boo hoo. Maybe they shouldn't have tried to overthrow King Hussein in 1970.
2012-11-16 08:04:40 PM
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HotIgneous Intruder: They all need to have their toys taken away.
Nobody in the region is innocent.


Nobody? I'd say no government in the region is innocent, but I would not paint the entire populace with the same brush.
2012-11-16 08:03:55 PM
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We must protect Israel so our Lord and Savior can return. Even if it means murdering hundreds of Palestinian civilians. Jesus won't care right? He'll be cool with our support of some third world hellhole killing innocent civilians who only want their fair share of that "paradise", right?
/Fark Israel
//Fark your lord and savior
///Stop supporting Israel "at all costs".
////I have Jewish roots, but I wouldn't call myself a Jew
2012-11-16 08:02:06 PM
1 votes:
They all need to have their toys taken away.
Nobody in the region is innocent.
2012-11-16 07:59:49 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Blue_Blazer: theknuckler_33: To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.

Point of order here: the Palestinian rockets are hardly capable of being aimed. I will not speculate as to whether it would make a difference. Probably not, as neither side seems interested in avoiding civilian casualities.

That was the point, they don't have weapons sophisticated enough to aim precisely at military targets, they just fire off rockets towards the nearest towns/cities. And, frankly, I don't blame them.


What is accomplished in doing so though? I mean, is it the equivalent of blowing off steam?

I don't understand how it moves forward on any strategic military goals, they're not taking anything over, they're not clearing a hole in the wall to lead a counter-force through, and they aren't engendering anyone to want to sit and discuss how to make something better once they land rockets in Isreal.

I don't know what the good solutions are, but I don't see how lobbing unaimable rockets at random is anything other than bringing the wrath of a titan back upon them. It would be like being in prison and punching a guard because I'm pissed about being there (there's even an argument that I might be imprisoned unjustly)... I may hurt him ever so slightly, but he then has every ability to respond with unchecked force and will be seen as having some justification in doing so. Furthermore it hurts me when I'm standing in court trying to argue my case.
2012-11-16 07:57:59 PM
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GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 453x604]


Damn, what a shiatty life you have. Have you considered emigrating to one of those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do, and have one million square miles of mostly empty territory in which to resettle you? No? How about that country right next door, Jordan, which is already 60% Palestinian Arab and which was actually your homeland until 1967? No? The only place you'll accept is the 6,000 square miles of territory in Israel, the one your grandparents emigrated to in the 1920's specifically to keep Jews out? I understand perfectly, you poor thing. Those five million mean ol' Jews are mistreating all 300 million of you innocent Arabs. You poor, poor losers.
2012-11-16 07:50:08 PM
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Blue_Blazer: theknuckler_33: To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.

Point of order here: the Palestinian rockets are hardly capable of being aimed. I will not speculate as to whether it would make a difference. Probably not, as neither side seems interested in avoiding civilian casualities.


That was the point, they don't have weapons sophisticated enough to aim precisely at military targets, they just fire off rockets towards the nearest towns/cities. And, frankly, I don't blame them.
2012-11-16 07:47:45 PM
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JFC: So.
What was with the photos of children and elderly folk while the Israeli was talking?
What was the point of that?


To show that Israel can do no wrong.
2012-11-16 07:42:54 PM
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To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.
2012-11-16 07:42:25 PM
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I don't think Israel is intentionally targeting civilians, but I don't think they really give a fark if they kill a few by accident.
2012-11-16 07:38:39 PM
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gaspode: LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.

Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately


There's also a huge difference in technology - the Palestinians are using WW2-era low-tech rockets, fired in that general direction over there and uncontrollable after launch.

The Israelis are firing guided missiles from state-of-the-art helicopters and airplanes, or dropping bombs from aircraft with computer-aided target systems. They are able to put a missile into a single specific window on a building if they want to. That the bombs and missiles and missiles are hitting all over Gaza is not an accident.

I'm not taking sides with that comment - it's the reality of the situation.
2012-11-16 07:35:33 PM
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gaspode:

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately


This. Is either side completely right or completely wrong? No. Will there be innocent human casualities? Yes.

All that said, I assure you all that more Palestinians will die than Israelis. That is not a condemnation of Israel, but it is entirely likely based on history.
2012-11-16 07:32:17 PM
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"What's going through your mind right now?"
**BOOM**

Um, very nearly his ass, apparently.
2012-11-16 07:29:46 PM
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Just curious, but how does our undying support of Israel stack up legally? Isn't that expressed consent and approval of one particular religion? Just wondering.
2012-11-16 07:24:57 PM
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I find it more than a little ironic that a Google ad featuring Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries played just prior to the video, considering that song's traditional use in media.
2012-11-16 07:21:13 PM
1 votes:
Pass the popcorn. The biblical savages are at it again!
Quick! - how can we get involved and spend a bunch of money and get some Americans killed fixing their problems for them?
2012-11-16 07:20:57 PM
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YouAreItNoTagBacks: Best strategy for both sides: Israel stops building settlements, lightens the blockade to allow aid and stops trying to block the PLO in the UN. This would take away some of Hamas' justification for violence and raise global sympathy for Israel. At the same time, Abbas could use that window to push for non-violent resistance and counter terrorist messaging.

Chances of that happening without serious pressure from the US on Israel...0.


FTFM
2012-11-16 07:17:49 PM
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I was going to chastise subby for being sensational, but it actually happened at the end. Glad the guy was alright.
2012-11-16 07:16:52 PM
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Chilling.
 
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