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(CNN) Video Live CNN discussion between an Israeli and a Palestinian. Israeli: They are intentionally targetting civilians, and we do not do that. Palestinian: "Well. I :BOOM:: BOOM: :BOOM: ++++ NO CARRIER +++"   (cnn.com) divider line 275
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2012-11-16 07:16:52 PM
Chilling.
 
2012-11-16 07:17:49 PM
I was going to chastise subby for being sensational, but it actually happened at the end. Glad the guy was alright.
 
2012-11-16 07:20:07 PM
so when is Egypt going to light the already burning powder keg?
 
2012-11-16 07:20:10 PM
Best strategy for both sides: Israel stops building settlements, lightens the blockade to allow aid and stops trying to block the PLO in the UN. This would take away some of Hamas' justification for violence and raise global sympathy for Israel. At the same time, Abbas could that window to push for non-violent resistance and counter terrorist messaging.

Chances of that happening without serious pressure from the US on Israel...0.
 
2012-11-16 07:20:26 PM
Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.
 
2012-11-16 07:20:57 PM

YouAreItNoTagBacks: Best strategy for both sides: Israel stops building settlements, lightens the blockade to allow aid and stops trying to block the PLO in the UN. This would take away some of Hamas' justification for violence and raise global sympathy for Israel. At the same time, Abbas could use that window to push for non-violent resistance and counter terrorist messaging.

Chances of that happening without serious pressure from the US on Israel...0.


FTFM
 
2012-11-16 07:21:13 PM
Pass the popcorn. The biblical savages are at it again!
Quick! - how can we get involved and spend a bunch of money and get some Americans killed fixing their problems for them?
 
2012-11-16 07:21:14 PM
Is this Obama's fault?
 
2012-11-16 07:21:22 PM
I only clicked the link because it had "seshay" and "strip" in the URL.

Now I'm running faarrrrrrrrr away from this thread.
 
2012-11-16 07:21:23 PM
The Palestinian guy was, obviously, living in a military bunker.
 
2012-11-16 07:21:46 PM
Someone's winning and award for that one.

Which really just says it all about OUR emotional involvement.
 
2012-11-16 07:22:48 PM

sophus_tree: Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.


Yeah that was pretty awesome. He's trying to have a debate an the Israeli guy is just rattling off the ages of his daughters and grandparents....

As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...
 
2012-11-16 07:22:49 PM

Granny_Panties: Is this Obama's fault?


Why, ab-so-lutely! Somebody give the little lady a Kewpie doll!
 
2012-11-16 07:23:10 PM
THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE

Stop it

Stop politicizing this crap

This is NOT a left/right issue

Stop making it one
 
2012-11-16 07:24:07 PM

sophus_tree: Holy fark. The guy says "You can hear what's happening and I'm not going to comment on that. We need to get past 'Who's the victim and who's the victimizer'--we need to get that out of the way and get on with things."

CNN: "Wait--what was that sound?"

"Those were Israeli warplanes bombing Gaza, but I'm not going to comment on that. I'm not going to let it interrupt this debate."

Wow. Hope I someday have brassies like this guy.


That guys seriously wins a ton of cred. To keep his cool and want to stay on message while getting bombed straight to fark is impressive.

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.
 
2012-11-16 07:24:45 PM

cman: THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE

Stop it

Stop politicizing this crap

This is NOT a left/right issue

Stop making it one


Are you in the right thread?
 
2012-11-16 07:24:57 PM
I find it more than a little ironic that a Google ad featuring Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries played just prior to the video, considering that song's traditional use in media.
 
2012-11-16 07:25:53 PM

DeltaPunch:

As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...


and that accent....
 
2012-11-16 07:26:06 PM

Granny_Panties: Is this Obama's fault?


This is Obama's Benghazi-gate.

/or something.
 
2012-11-16 07:26:20 PM

DeltaPunch: As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...


Isha Sesay.

And, yes, she is gorgeous.
 
2012-11-16 07:27:56 PM

DeltaPunch: As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...


Issa Seshay, Anderson Cooper's anchor-beard.

/meow
//about Seshay, not Anderson
///well...
 
2012-11-16 07:29:07 PM
Isha Sesay is a British journalist of Sierra Leonean descent.

Why yes, I'd recognize that blend of accents right away.
 
2012-11-16 07:29:42 PM

LasersHurt: cman: THIS IS NOT AN AMERICAN ISSUE

Stop it

Stop politicizing this crap

This is NOT a left/right issue

Stop making it one

Are you in the right thread?


Nah, he was looking for one of the Twinkie threads.
 
2012-11-16 07:29:46 PM
Just curious, but how does our undying support of Israel stack up legally? Isn't that expressed consent and approval of one particular religion? Just wondering.
 
2012-11-16 07:31:07 PM

LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.


Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately
 
2012-11-16 07:32:14 PM

TheBitterest: Just curious, but how does our undying support of Israel stack up legally? Isn't that expressed consent and approval of one particular religion? Just wondering.


Officially we support our ally the nation of Israel.
 
2012-11-16 07:32:17 PM
"What's going through your mind right now?"
**BOOM**

Um, very nearly his ass, apparently.
 
2012-11-16 07:33:05 PM
So the argument is that the Palesitninas are incompetent boobs who can't aim a missile and are killing people by sheer blind luck, while the Israelis with their superior military must be deliberately targeting women and children?

Gotcha, asshole.
 
2012-11-16 07:33:37 PM

TheBitterest: Just curious, but how does our undying support of Israel stack up legally? Isn't that expressed consent and approval of one particular religion? Just wondering.


Somehow, you managed to figure out the one thing that isn't wrong with our "alliance" (what a fooking joke) with Israel.
 
2012-11-16 07:33:40 PM

gaspode: LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.

Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately


Quite true. It's not like the guys firing rockets from Gaza are carefully targeting. But as you said, lots of Israelis (and Americans and other assorted morons) think any Palestinian is fair game.

This isn't going to be pleasant for anyone, but I guarantee I know who comes out of this a LOT worse in the end.
 
2012-11-16 07:33:52 PM
I really wish Israel would stop being played for fools and go after the real source. Assad's back is to the wall. Take him out, hand the country over to the Kurds in exchange for dismantling their terrorist puppets.

Hamas is purely Syria's tool. They are distracting the Israelis from the cross-border activity earlier.
 
2012-11-16 07:35:33 PM

gaspode:

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately


This. Is either side completely right or completely wrong? No. Will there be innocent human casualities? Yes.

All that said, I assure you all that more Palestinians will die than Israelis. That is not a condemnation of Israel, but it is entirely likely based on history.
 
2012-11-16 07:38:39 PM

gaspode: LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.

Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately


There's also a huge difference in technology - the Palestinians are using WW2-era low-tech rockets, fired in that general direction over there and uncontrollable after launch.

The Israelis are firing guided missiles from state-of-the-art helicopters and airplanes, or dropping bombs from aircraft with computer-aided target systems. They are able to put a missile into a single specific window on a building if they want to. That the bombs and missiles and missiles are hitting all over Gaza is not an accident.

I'm not taking sides with that comment - it's the reality of the situation.
 
2012-11-16 07:42:25 PM
I don't think Israel is intentionally targeting civilians, but I don't think they really give a fark if they kill a few by accident.
 
2012-11-16 07:42:44 PM

bulldg4life: DeltaPunch: As aside, who was that incredibly hot news anchor?!? My god she's gorgeous...

Isha Sesay.

And, yes, she is gorgeous.


Gracias... off to teh googles...
 
2012-11-16 07:42:54 PM
To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.
 
2012-11-16 07:43:07 PM

clambam: So the argument is that the Palesitninas are incompetent boobs who can't aim a missile and are killing people by sheer blind luck, while the Israelis with their superior military must be deliberately targeting women and children?

Gotcha, asshole.




I think the argument from the left is that Israel is killing many people who are already afraid of Hamas and have no where to turn.
 
2012-11-16 07:44:01 PM
It's pretty telling that he's so used to bombs going off right outside his home.
 
JFC
2012-11-16 07:45:06 PM
So.
What was with the photos of children and elderly folk while the Israeli was talking?
What was the point of that?
 
2012-11-16 07:45:17 PM
i575.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-16 07:46:01 PM

theknuckler_33: To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.


Point of order here: the Palestinian rockets are hardly capable of being aimed. I will not speculate as to whether it would make a difference. Probably not, as neither side seems interested in avoiding civilian casualities.
 
2012-11-16 07:47:16 PM
So... both sides are bad? What should I do?
 
2012-11-16 07:47:45 PM

JFC: So.
What was with the photos of children and elderly folk while the Israeli was talking?
What was the point of that?


To show that Israel can do no wrong.
 
2012-11-16 07:47:56 PM

btchin trans-am: So... both sides are bad? What should I do?


Vote Republican?
 
2012-11-16 07:50:08 PM

Blue_Blazer: theknuckler_33: To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.

Point of order here: the Palestinian rockets are hardly capable of being aimed. I will not speculate as to whether it would make a difference. Probably not, as neither side seems interested in avoiding civilian casualities.


That was the point, they don't have weapons sophisticated enough to aim precisely at military targets, they just fire off rockets towards the nearest towns/cities. And, frankly, I don't blame them.
 
2012-11-16 07:51:15 PM

El Pachuco: gaspode: LasersHurt:

Also, absolutely nobody believes that the Israelis are going to not hurt any civilians. That's ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say they're not intentionally targeting major civilian targets, sure, they're not monsters. But they're bombing the place - they're gonna get civilians.

Two things there..

There IS a difference between targeting civilians and simply not giving a fark or making any effort to avoid them, but it isn't a huge difference in the end.
A non-trivial faction in Israel considers ALL Palestinians to be legitimate military targets. Just as a (probably larger) faction in the Palestinian population thinks all Israelis are legitimate military targets.

There is plenty of revulsion to go around unfortunately

There's also a huge difference in technology - the Palestinians are using WW2-era low-tech rockets, fired in that general direction over there and uncontrollable after launch.

The Israelis are firing guided missiles from state-of-the-art helicopters and airplanes, or dropping bombs from aircraft with computer-aided target systems. They are able to put a missile into a single specific window on a building if they want to. That the bombs and missiles and missiles are hitting all over Gaza is not an accident.

I'm not taking sides with that comment - it's the reality of the situation.


Add in the "Hamas is using civilian structures and civilians as human shields" factor and it becomes very easy to write off casualities. Not sure how often it's true, but seems possible if the people launching rockets are members of the region who are militarized by the living conditions, religion, or other motivating factors; they could be using their homes as improv launch platforms. Unless it's fixed, they make an apartment complex a military target by wanting to launch from the high ground.
 
2012-11-16 07:51:23 PM
We need Gazan boat lift. Bring them to Miami.
 
2012-11-16 07:51:56 PM

GAT_00: JFC: So.
What was with the photos of children and elderly folk while the Israeli was talking?
What was the point of that?

To show that Israel can do no wrong.


It would only have been more amusing if while the Palestinian was talking that they showed militants with grenade launchers and machine guns and their head wraps (don't know the proper name for that).
 
2012-11-16 07:56:16 PM

theknuckler_33: Blue_Blazer: theknuckler_33: To farking hell with the both of them. Palestinians sure as shiat target civilians because they fire rockets nilly-willy wherever they go. Israelis are assholes because if 3 Israelis are killed, they kill 1500 Palestinian 'militants'.

fark them both in the ass. Go to war, you are on your own. FOAD and EABOD.

Point of order here: the Palestinian rockets are hardly capable of being aimed. I will not speculate as to whether it would make a difference. Probably not, as neither side seems interested in avoiding civilian casualities.

That was the point, they don't have weapons sophisticated enough to aim precisely at military targets, they just fire off rockets towards the nearest towns/cities. And, frankly, I don't blame them.


Fair enough, but it kinda sounded like you were suggesting they intentionally fire rockets at civilians. I judt wanted to make it clear that they don't really fire them AT anything, they just point them in a direction and shoot. Not that I am defending that.
 
2012-11-16 07:57:59 PM

GAT_00: [i575.photobucket.com image 453x604]


Damn, what a shiatty life you have. Have you considered emigrating to one of those other 20 countries where people have exactly the same religion and speak exactly the same language you do, and have one million square miles of mostly empty territory in which to resettle you? No? How about that country right next door, Jordan, which is already 60% Palestinian Arab and which was actually your homeland until 1967? No? The only place you'll accept is the 6,000 square miles of territory in Israel, the one your grandparents emigrated to in the 1920's specifically to keep Jews out? I understand perfectly, you poor thing. Those five million mean ol' Jews are mistreating all 300 million of you innocent Arabs. You poor, poor losers.
 
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