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2012-11-16 10:27:49 PM
5 votes:

nmemkha: "Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.


Just like capitalism.
2012-11-16 11:49:28 PM
3 votes:

Mrbogey: nmemkha: "Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.

True that's one of the problems... but those tiny few political elite had their luxury lifestyle been dispersed equally would still have left the average soviet worker a pauper. Having seen some former com-block "luxury" items, I'd still rather be middle class in America during the 80s.

The fundamentals of communism just do not lend to growing living standards like free market capitalism.


Can't really compare them. Communism is a failed attempt to forge a system of government from socialism, which is merely a useful social tool.
Capitalism is just a way of making money, and as such, is a useful social tool. And like socialism, when elevated to the level of a system of government (Laissez-faire, or neoconservatism) it fails catastrophically - like communism. It failed catastrophically in the 1930s, and is about to again today. This time, I think we'll be luckier. With the boomers dying, and the immigrants coming, the political pendulum is swinging back toward a moderate, democratic system. Fortunately, the adults seem to be taking charge again.
2012-11-16 10:43:05 PM
3 votes:
Who cares? It's not like HufPo ever pretended to be a credible news source to begin with.

It's like complaining that TMZ lied about Lindsay Lohan's latest DUI.
2012-11-16 10:27:54 PM
2 votes:
A repeated opinion is still just an opinion.
2012-11-16 07:46:01 PM
2 votes:
This is gonna be a fun thread to watch
2012-11-17 03:18:16 PM
1 votes:
I mean half y'all are communists, so what's the issue?
2012-11-17 10:27:12 AM
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: LoneWolf343: nmemkha: "Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.

Just like capitalism.
~
But unlike capitalism, it was all about sharing. Remember that bit, smartass?

Shaaaaaring yaaaaaaaaay!!!! Complete clusterfark of a political system. Left wing politics grew out of that.


Durty sharing Commonists at their nefarious work:

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2012-11-17 09:43:11 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: jso2897:

Did you notice that the boomers are dying, and that immigrants are coming? If you don't think this country is going to swing back toward a more moderate position, I'm pretty sure you are going to be surprised

I can't wait until we are more moderate like Mexico.


We probably aren't looking at things within the same framework. i am not a team player, and I do not analyze politics from the point of view of Democrat/liberal vs. Republican/conservative. I'm old, and I've seen all this happen before - and I tend to analyze politics in terms of demographic and history.
"My Generation" has been the major driving force in american politics over the course of my adult life. When the boomers got the vote, the electorate suddenly became very young, because there are so damned MANY of us. And the country, predictably, took a hard turn to the left.
As we aged, the main body of the electorate moved with us, and the country gravitated to the right.
I really hadn't expected things to start changing this soon - there are a whole lot of us still around, and voting. But the immigrants and minorities have grown faster than I anticipated - and it's possible that the boomers, who are increasingly out of the workforce, on fixed incomes, and at the mercy of society may be getting less "conservative". I don't know.
But I do know this - how we vote is a function of who we are - and as who we are changes, how we vote will change along with it. There really isn't anything "political" (in the Dem/GOP sense) that can be done to change that.
2012-11-17 09:14:41 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: Regulation slashed. Taxes on the wealthy slashed. More and more of our wealth funneled to the wealthy and the military-industrial complex every year?
No. We are at the extreme arc of a swing to the right that started with the election of the Grinning Fool in 1980.



Tax policy in and of itself is separate from free markets. "Regulations slashed" is a nice catch all but gov't directives and the federal register grows each year. And by definition if the gov't is funneling money by choosing who gets wealth then it's going against the market.
2012-11-17 08:49:09 AM
1 votes:

Princess Ryans Knickers: Remind me again which of the parties had a candidate named Romney Clinton that invested in China, sent jobs to China, and got campaign funds from China?


Oh, I know this one!
Democrats! Or do you have a short memory?
2012-11-17 04:49:45 AM
1 votes:

zerkalo: Meanwhile, this Kremlin-backed PR firm has pride-of-place on a leading U.S. news aggregator:

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Russia Today "funded by the Federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation"


Russia Today is pure propaganda. My wife who is not political or a news junkie was watching the news on that channel in Germany, and couldn't believe they called it journalism as the reporters were putting in anti US opinion wherever they could, and not backing up statements with any fact.

Not to mention the fact that during the commercial breaks they had a reading of US soldiers suicide notes. Not as any sort of lead in to a story about the problem, they just had one read every commercial break. Sickening.
2012-11-17 03:40:41 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Even the most basic knowledge of politics or any kind of social science whatsoever will tell you that "individuals act morally for the good of all without incentive" is empirically, definitively false in every way.


As phrased, semi-true. All individuals don't, of course. But the statement implies no individuals act morally for the good of all without incentive, which is just as untrue as saying all of them do.

Individuals are indeed self-centered, and will rarely act for the good of anyone if it's to their detriment. But the vast majority of individuals will act for the good of others without incentive. It's the minority in power who demonstrate the truth of Frank Herbert's theory of where things go wrong.

"All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible."
2012-11-17 02:27:23 AM
1 votes:
I explored Huff Poo for a bit while I was trying to find my old Fark username. The users over there aren't exactly Nobel laureates.
2012-11-17 02:13:53 AM
1 votes:

nmemkha: uselessgit: The problem with Communism isn't that it killed 80 million people, it just didn't kill the RIGHT 80 million people. It clearly needs a second chance.

No evil men killed 80 million people. Communism failed because because it relied on individual to act morally for the good of all. There was no selfish incentive for one to pull his/her own weight.

Capitalism only demands the individual look out for himself and selfishness is the engine that powers it.


I would like to address this stupid, stupid argument with an analogy. Let's say I'm a chemist. I'm being paid to design a process that produces a nice, intert, incompressible fluid for hydraulics.

I submit a process that involves coating sodium pebbles in a polymer and dropping them into water, then calling it an incompressible emulsion.

When the mixture turns out to not only be significantly compressible, but it randomly explodes and kills everyone relying on the machinery in which it's installed, I come back with "no, guys, the system is totally sound, sodium shouldn't explode in contact with water, it's just the fault of a bad, evil couple sodium chunks".

This is almost word-for-word what you're talking about here. Even the most basic knowledge of politics or any kind of social science whatsoever will tell you that "individuals act morally for the good of all without incentive" is empirically, definitively false in every way. If your system has that as one of its design considerations, then the system is at fault for what inevitably follows.

You can't let Communism off on a technicality here, its failure on human rights grounds has been way too empirically established as inevitable to even pretend that the system has any merit whatsoever.

//Socialism's still cool. Not Marxist socialism, obviously, that's shiat and Engels is a retard, but the movement more generally.
2012-11-17 01:59:15 AM
1 votes:
So let me get this straight... they give one example wrt HuffPo, repeated five times in language meant to infer something more sinister... and it's not of Pabst working for Ketchum wrting op-eds for HuffPo, it's of Ketchum asking HuffPo to publish Pabst's op-ed because they liked it. ZOMG HUFFPO IS RUN BY TEH COMMIES!11!1! Gotta love prefabricated narrative in search of evidence. Well-done, subby.

Or in other words, the derp is strong in this one.
2012-11-17 01:01:17 AM
1 votes:
Meanwhile, this Kremlin-backed PR firm has pride-of-place on a leading U.S. news aggregator:

img0.fark.net

Russia Today "funded by the Federal budget of Russia through the Federal Agency on Press and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation"
2012-11-17 12:57:00 AM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: jso2897: Capitalism is just a way of making money, and as such, is a useful social tool. And like socialism, when elevated to the level of a system of government (Laissez-faire, or neoconservatism) it fails catastrophically

Your comparison is so out of whack. A failure in communism left millions dead from starvation. When capitalism failed in the 1929 it was "saved" by increased taxes, tariffs, and vast social programs... and by saved I mean nearly a decade later things returned slowly to normal.

To say they both cause catastrophes is like saying both litterbugs and burglars are criminals.

jso2897: It failed catastrophically in the 1930s, and is about to again today.

How can it fail when we've slowly been moving away from it for decades? Our entire free market exists on subsidies and regulated outcomes. Hell, we can't even let businesses fail and that's one of the top rules of capitalism. And no, I'm not saying we don't have a free market. We have a severely hampered and gamed free market but it remains still.

jso2897: This time, I think we'll be luckier. With the boomers dying, and the immigrants coming, the political pendulum is swinging back toward a moderate, democratic system. Fortunately, the adults seem to be taking charge again.

There's whistling past the graveyard... this is organizing a block party in the graveyard.


Is this how the Neocons having been "Moving us away" from Laissez-Faire for decades?

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Regulation slashed. Taxes on the wealthy slashed. More and more of our wealth funneled to the wealthy and the military-industrial complex every year?
No. We are at the extreme arc of a swing to the right that started with the election of the Grinning Fool in 1980.
2012-11-17 12:31:40 AM
1 votes:

andyofne: nmemkha: No evil men killed 80 million people.

If no evil men killed 80 million people then it must have been the good men who did it.


I also invited the strippers Hitler and Stalin.
2012-11-17 12:30:28 AM
1 votes:

nmemkha: No evil men killed 80 million people.


If no evil men killed 80 million people then it must have been the good men who did it.
2012-11-17 12:11:52 AM
1 votes:

Big Ramifications: LoneWolf343: nmemkha: "Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.

Just like capitalism.
~
But unlike capitalism, it was all about sharing. Remember that bit, smartass?

Shaaaaaring yaaaaaaaaay!!!! Complete clusterfark of a political system. Left wing politics grew out of that.


It grew into just taking and spending money you don't have.
2012-11-16 11:56:20 PM
1 votes:
There's not much difference between Communism and Lassez-Faire capitalism, in practice. The robber-baron capitalism of the late 19th century closely resembled Maoism, in practice. Work farms and company towns surrounded with armed guards instructed to shoot workers who attempted to escape, company stores and housing, a huge, impoverished working class supporting a tiny elite who had the power of life and death over them. they might as well have been in Stalin's Russia.
2012-11-16 11:38:04 PM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: nmemkha: "Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.

Just like capitalism.

~
But unlike capitalism, it was all about sharing. Remember that bit, smartass?

Shaaaaaring yaaaaaaaaay!!!! Complete clusterfark of a political system. Left wing politics grew out of that.
2012-11-16 11:30:55 PM
1 votes:
I had a look around the Pro Publica website.

Reports on leaking pipelines, the failure of HUD to enforce the Fair Housing Act, Nursing home violatons, soldiers being unable to get combat records ... it's a bunch of Commies. We can't trust them. Them Commies must be lying about Russia using PR tactics worthy of, oh, I don't know, a corporation run by Republicans.

It's a TARP! No, wait. It's not that bad.

Anybody who hates hedgefunders, gerrymandering and BP can't be all bad.
2012-11-16 11:11:39 PM
1 votes:
Hang on a minute

There are things on the HuffPo that AREN'T communist propaganda?
2012-11-16 10:48:21 PM
1 votes:
There's something else on HuffPo besides poorly working slideshows of random Twitter posts?
2012-11-16 10:47:57 PM
1 votes:
I know that news publishers often have interests to publish things that may or may not be true. In the case of FoxNews, the entire network all day stilts each and every news story, often stating outright lies, in an effort to please one man in his eternal quest to be the world's biggest douchebag.

Obviously both sides are bad, but FoxNews is the absolute worst, most biased source on Earth and they have the audacity to say "Fair and Balanced". We know HuffPo and MSNBC are progressive news sources. They are unabashedly so. Some folks like listening to echo chambers so they can pick up their daily talking points and responses to "the other sides" talking points. However, you're not going to find any MSNBC viewer talking about how their shows are "fair and balanced" to both sides. You might find 1 out of 10 FoxNews viewers that admit their show is geared to a primarily conservative audience.
2012-11-16 10:42:27 PM
1 votes:

uselessgit: The problem with Communism isn't that it killed 80 million people, it just didn't kill the RIGHT 80 million people. It clearly needs a second chance.


No evil men killed 80 million people. Communism failed because because it relied on individual to act morally for the good of all. There was no selfish incentive for one to pull his/her own weight.

Capitalism only demands the individual look out for himself and selfishness is the engine that powers it.
2012-11-16 10:36:05 PM
1 votes:
ITT: A vile rag funded by a "one percenter" living large off her unearned divorce proceeds, which regularly publishes outright propaganda and false "medical news" that deters the gullible from getting proper medical care, manages to spawn at least one defender.
2012-11-16 10:30:12 PM
1 votes:
Phew! I'm glad that was made public so we can get back to the corporate-owned, corporate-inspired, corporate editorial that passes as "news" in America. I was getting worried there for a moment.
2012-11-16 10:28:46 PM
1 votes:

cman: This is gonna be a fun thread to watch


I just want to see people vainly try to make Yakov Smirnoff jokes.
2012-11-16 10:28:24 PM
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: nmemkha: "Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.

Just like capitalism.


And BINGO was his name ooooooh
2012-11-16 10:26:21 PM
1 votes:
The problem with Communism isn't that it killed 80 million people, it just didn't kill the RIGHT 80 million people. It clearly needs a second chance.
2012-11-16 10:20:22 PM
1 votes:
"Ogga booga Communism!"

The problem with Communism was that a tiny few wound up with all the resources and power.
2012-11-16 10:20:18 PM
1 votes:
Remind me again which of the parties had a candidate named Romney that invested in China, sent jobs to China, and got campaign funds from China?
2012-11-16 10:19:15 PM
1 votes:

jim32rr: Darth_Lukecash: cman: This is gonna be a fun thread to watch

Not if everyone ignores the article from a biased source. And trollish headline....

Here let me get some pliers, lets get that hook out of your mouth and get you back in the water sport


snicker
2012-11-16 10:17:09 PM
1 votes:
Хаффингтон пост
2012-11-16 10:17:00 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-11-16 07:50:10 PM
1 votes:

cman: This is gonna be a fun thread to watch


Not if everyone ignores the article from a biased source. And trollish headline....
 
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