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(Huffington Post)   Ben Affleck admits he's having a hard time turning Stephen King's "The Stand" into a movie. M-O-O-N, that spells Obvious   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 99
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2012-11-17 12:41:16 AM

peterthx: /chicken-pot, chicken-pot, chicken-pot pieeeeeee


It's hard to be the most annoying character in a show that has David Spade, but...
 
2012-11-17 12:49:51 AM

Loucifer: I really liked The Stand mini-series. I thought the cast was just fine.


It does seem dated now, but it was quite good. I suspect the majority of people who don't like it weren't old enough to have read the book when it came out and then watch the mini-series during its first run.
 
2012-11-17 12:54:39 AM

NeoCortex42: antidisestablishmentarianism: Also, besides those wonderful boobies the only way you can improve on the TV mini-series is with an R rated film and modern special effects. The ABC mini-series was a very good interpretation of the book.

It was a pretty good adaptation of it. I still think it could be done amazingly well if it was made into an HBO mini-series. I don't have high hopes for a feature length movie, though. Or even a pair of movies.

Ditto with It. As perfect as Tim Curry was, the rest of the cast and production looks incredibly dated and lacking.


That's the problem with King's stuff. He builds a rather detailed story, and although people biatch and moan about having to read "too many words", in the end, there isn't a lot that you feel that you can throw away. What you end up with is something that is too long to be a film, but has to be TV friendly, so the real intense shiat is watered down.

HBO would be nice. I was really hoping for the movie, HBO series, movie idea they were floating for The Dark Tower, it would be the only way to do it. Good news is; it doesn't HAVE to be HBO anymore. The cable-only networks have FINALLY figured out that the FCC was only given jurisdiction over the broadcast stations, not them, so that's why you see T&A and pretty much everything but F-Bombs on shows like Sons of Anarchy. We could now get an updated It(Tim Curry could STILL totally pull off Pennywise), even The Stand done like a feature film, but airing on regular cable.
 
2012-11-17 12:56:25 AM

Mikey1969: NeoCortex42: antidisestablishmentarianism: Also, besides those wonderful boobies the only way you can improve on the TV mini-series is with an R rated film and modern special effects. The ABC mini-series was a very good interpretation of the book.

It was a pretty good adaptation of it. I still think it could be done amazingly well if it was made into an HBO mini-series. I don't have high hopes for a feature length movie, though. Or even a pair of movies.

Ditto with It. As perfect as Tim Curry was, the rest of the cast and production looks incredibly dated and lacking.

That's the problem with King's stuff. He builds a rather detailed story, and although people biatch and moan about having to read "too many words", in the end, there isn't a lot that you feel that you can throw away. What you end up with is something that is too long to be a film, but has to be TV friendly, so the real intense shiat is watered down.

HBO would be nice. I was really hoping for the movie, HBO series, movie idea they were floating for The Dark Tower, it would be the only way to do it. Good news is; it doesn't HAVE to be HBO anymore. The cable-only networks have FINALLY figured out that the FCC was only given jurisdiction over the broadcast stations, not them, so that's why you see T&A and pretty much everything but F-Bombs on shows like Sons of Anarchy. We could now get an updated It(Tim Curry could STILL totally pull off Pennywise), even The Stand done like a feature film, but airing on regular cable.


I could see this airing on FX or AMC.
 
2012-11-17 12:57:01 AM

B.L.Z. Bub: I admit I'm mostly a noob about Stephen King's books. I only ever read one, Bag of Bones. My understanding is that he's like the George Lucas of literature, always going back and revising his work after the fact, and that The Stand is no exception.


Really? Maybe you should read the books instead of listening to other people tell you what to think. He's released versions with stuff he originally wanted to add, but that doesn't change the version you read, and he doesn't refuse to ever let you see the original version ever again.
 
2012-11-17 12:59:07 AM

skepticultist: Angry Buddha: I read my first King book when I was twelve. It was Firestarter.

Are you me?


I would ask if you were both me but sorry, it was christine

our memory is failing.
 
2012-11-17 01:01:30 AM

Funbags: antidisestablishmentarianism: The ABC mini-series was a very good interpretation of the book.

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The casting decisions were terrible. Randall Flagg was the opposite of a menacingly charismatic leader, even moreso when they glued on the "demon" make-up. The acting performances rivaled "The Room". Who would have thought Rob Lowe could act so poorly without saying a word? The production values were outright laughable. 99% of the US is dead, but the only sense you have of it is the characters saying it.

In other words, it was as good as King's "It" mini-series.


Pretty damn much.

The problem with both, is that they were mini-series for network TV. Stephen King is rarely that safe.

IT just made me sad, because it IS one of King's best. Brilliant and taunt, expansive in detail, vignettes designed to show the characters, characters that you can feel King's love for. The TV miniseries missed the driving element, or rather, backed away from the real heart of the book:

"Maybe there aren't any such things as good friends or bad friends - maybe there are just friends, people who stand by you when you're hurt and who help you feel not so lonely. Maybe they're always worth being scared for, and hoping for, and living for. Maybe worth dying for too, if that's what has to be. No good friends. No bad friends. Only people you want, need to be with; people who build their houses in your heart."

The Stand
suffered the same problem. It just looked cheap and tawdry, and that was the style of the time, but it can be done better. Look at HBO's Rome. The industry has grown up a lot. You can do effects a lot better today, and far more efficiently. The Stand is likewise huge. There is lot of material to cover, a lot of characters. A mini-series is sort of a must if you want to do it any sort of justice. It's not something you can just pop into a 2 hour or even a 3 hour format.
 
2012-11-17 01:10:41 AM

antidisestablishmentarianism: Also, besides those wonderful boobies the only way you can improve on the TV mini-series is with an R rated film and modern special effects. The ABC mini-series was a very good interpretation of the book.


Totally off topic, but how much of a pain in the ass is it when your browser's Password Manager decides not to store that long-ass user name? ;-)
 
2012-11-17 01:12:30 AM

Mikey1969: B.L.Z. Bub: I admit I'm mostly a noob about Stephen King's books. I only ever read one, Bag of Bones. My understanding is that he's like the George Lucas of literature, always going back and revising his work after the fact, and that The Stand is no exception.

Really? Maybe you should read the books instead of listening to other people tell you what to think. He's released versions with stuff he originally wanted to add, but that doesn't change the version you read, and he doesn't refuse to ever let you see the original version ever again.


King's moved onto longer fiction, and has done so for a while now, but I think that his real talent is in the short story format. He gets in, he hooks, he gets out. His short fiction is brilliant. You can see a lot of the elements that he eventually worked into his longer fiction begin in his short fiction, and in a way, he still writes short fiction, just linked together. He writes vignettes that link into a larger narrative, and in that way, he drives the story along. It works in his long fiction, because he takes a lot disparate elements and perspectives, and that is sort of what makes his long fiction so weighty--they are collections of a LOT of stories.

He's a guy who has a lock on what he does, and does well. He likes to play with characters. He likes to see where they'll take him. He plays with that a lot with his Dark Tower series, including a light on his own self. He IS a perfectionist, and he has a sort of love/hate relationship with editors at this point, and to be fair, King sort of needs a good editor, and a lot of them are afraid to rein him in when he gets off on a tangent. Wizard and Glass was about 150 pages too long, and the last portion should have been more a novella, but novellas are hard to sell, and that's too bad, because the shorter format works for him well.

If you want to check out King, read his short fiction first. Then you can work into the novels.
 
2012-11-17 01:15:01 AM

Angry Buddha: I read my first King book when I was twelve. It was Firestarter. I've since read everything he's written and I'm a fan without a doubt. He definitely had a spell of not-so-great novels, but he seems to have hit his stride again starting with Duma Key.


I started at 14, I think, but that's only because my a-hole adoptive mother tried everything she could to keep me from reading for pleasure. She really was a biatch, I think it was mostly because she didn't like to see me happy.

Anywho, I walked into the school library, told the librarian that I wanted to try something new, and finally settled on horror. She turned me on to The Talisman so that I could decide between King and Straub. I never even tried to read anything else by Straub, except when Black House came out.
 
2012-11-17 01:16:49 AM

RedPhoenix122: I could see this airing on FX or AMC.


I could totally go for either one. I think it could work.
 
2012-11-17 01:21:28 AM

Mikey1969: Angry Buddha: I read my first King book when I was twelve. It was Firestarter. I've since read everything he's written and I'm a fan without a doubt. He definitely had a spell of not-so-great novels, but he seems to have hit his stride again starting with Duma Key.

I started at 14, I think, but that's only because my a-hole adoptive mother tried everything she could to keep me from reading for pleasure. She really was a biatch, I think it was mostly because she didn't like to see me happy.

Anywho, I walked into the school library, told the librarian that I wanted to try something new, and finally settled on horror. She turned me on to The Talisman so that I could decide between King and Straub. I never even tried to read anything else by Straub, except when Black House came out.


My Dad handed me The Stand, after I started raiding his bookshelf. He gave me Starship Troopers, he handed me LOTR and The Hobbit. I'm looking forward to handing my little girl a ton of books, because that is how we roll in this family...
 
2012-11-17 01:24:15 AM

hubiestubert: The problem with both, is that they were mini-series for network TV. Stephen King is rarely that safe.


That's part of it, but another part is the narrative stuff that would either have to be a voice over or left out. I actually just finished re-reading It last night, and I was noticing how well he pegged Beverly and her abusive relationships. He nailed the behavior of women who enter this cycle, the trend that usually starts in childhood, the denial, the predatory behavior of the men who seek these women out so that they can reel them in. My mother died at the hands of an abusive boyfriend, my father beat her as well. I've known women over the years who can't seem to quit dating these kinds of guys. Having been around this since childhood, I had never quite articulated what was involved, and this time through It, I was wholly cognizant of how important that part was to the story, yet how hard it would be to portray. Their fight and her flight really don't sum up how well King knows the inner dialogue of just that single part of the story..
 
2012-11-17 01:35:40 AM

hubiestubert: If you want to check out King, read his short fiction first. Then you can work into the novels.


That's really where S.King was/is best the short stories. Sure I've read much of his stuff I think some of his best he wrote as Richard Bachman.
 
2012-11-17 01:40:07 AM
Its ok Ben. farking Brad Pitt cant turn World War Z into a movie either without farking it up royally so dont feel bad.
 
2012-11-17 01:43:14 AM

peterthx: Mugato: RedPhoenix122: Rubber Biscuit: RedPhoenix122: Summoner101: Is that the chick from Just Shoot Me?

IMDB concurs.

If you look at some sweater shots of her from that show, you can see that each breast is actually as large or larger than her head.

Hmm...I'm gonna need to see more evidence. Not that I don't believe you or anything.

She's annoyingly modest but

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"What are those? D-cups?"

/chicken-pot, chicken-pot, chicken-pot pieeeeeee


Donnie's pants are tight!
 
2012-11-17 01:44:00 AM

hubiestubert: The Stand suffered the same problem. It just looked cheap and tawdry, and that was the style of the time, but it can be done better. Look at HBO's Rome.


Rome had FAR better actors, IMHO. That's far more important than special effects. ( Not that sets & special effects aren't important)

/ just rewatched "I, Claudius"; BBC production from the '70's...
// minimal sets and special effects
///....and it completely blows away most modern TV shows IMHO, because of the script & outstanding acting
 
2012-11-17 01:44:40 AM

orclover: Its ok Ben. farking Brad Pitt cant turn World War Z into a movie either without farking it up royally so dont feel bad.


WWz should have never been a movie. As cliche as it is now, it should have been done mock Ken Burns style.
 
2012-11-17 01:49:06 AM

NeoCortex42: I still think it could be done amazingly well if it was made into an HBO mini-series. I don't have high hopes for a feature length movie, though. Or even a pair of movies.


HBO could have done it better but considering the era, ABC didn't do a terrible job.

Funbags: In other words, it was as good as King's "It" mini-series.


They stayed closer to the book than many other adaptations of the era, especially Crichton books. Sphere and Congo were totally slaughtered.

brianbankerus: It was indeed an excellent two hour movie... followed by a terrible two hour movie.


Did you read the book? 1,100+ pages and most of it was... hell I don't know. I read it in 7th grade and I don't remember much of the details except they left out the part of the homosexual encounter between trashcan man and that kid. 

I will say that King novels tend to be closer to the book than many others .
 
2012-11-17 01:53:22 AM

Dwight_Yeast: See, I like the long build-up to the inevitable decimation of humanity; I've always liked the early parts of King's books as he's so good at shaping characters who seem not just human but like average people you know.


That's always been King's gift--to bring ordinary people into extraordinary circumstances. That being said, I read a lot of King's stuff in his 80s heyday and was always like "that's entertaining, but not memorable." I managed to avoid The Stand until shortly before the miniseries came out and the unabridged version was re-released as a tie-in (you could tell because it had Gary Sinise and Molly Ringwald on the cover). Just for the hell of it I picked it up ... and I was up until six in the morning devouring it. The miniseries was okay but in the right hands and with the current trend of getting two or three movies out of one book it could work.
 
2012-11-17 01:59:18 AM

Forbidden Doughnut: hubiestubert: The Stand suffered the same problem. It just looked cheap and tawdry, and that was the style of the time, but it can be done better. Look at HBO's Rome.

Rome had FAR better actors, IMHO. That's far more important than special effects. ( Not that sets & special effects aren't important)

/ just rewatched "I, Claudius"; BBC production from the '70's...
// minimal sets and special effects
///....and it completely blows away most modern TV shows IMHO, because of the script & outstanding acting


True. Kevin McKidd was fantastic. Indira Varma. It was an amazing cast, but the writing was equally brilliant. Tight arcs, defined arcs, it is the show I point to, when folks say that they want to write for TV. Just a brilliant show.
 
2012-11-17 02:11:26 AM

hubiestubert: Mikey1969: Angry Buddha: I read my first King book when I was twelve. It was Firestarter. I've since read everything he's written and I'm a fan without a doubt. He definitely had a spell of not-so-great novels, but he seems to have hit his stride again starting with Duma Key.

I started at 14, I think, but that's only because my a-hole adoptive mother tried everything she could to keep me from reading for pleasure. She really was a biatch, I think it was mostly because she didn't like to see me happy.

Anywho, I walked into the school library, told the librarian that I wanted to try something new, and finally settled on horror. She turned me on to The Talisman so that I could decide between King and Straub. I never even tried to read anything else by Straub, except when Black House came out.

My Dad handed me The Stand, after I started raiding his bookshelf. He gave me Starship Troopers, he handed me LOTR and The Hobbit. I'm looking forward to handing my little girl a ton of books, because that is how we roll in this family...


Before my mom died, she taught me to read. I basically always 2-3 years ahead of the grade level in school. My adoptive dad quit reading me the Sunday funnies after I corrected him too many times.

I've always loved reading and really tried with my stepsons, but it never stuck. My daughter, on the other hand, has been picking up books since somewhere around 6 months, not reading them, but not being able to resist them. Good thing, too, because I have 600 or so books to pass on to somebody...
 
2012-11-17 03:00:11 AM
There's some other Stephen King stories that aren't such thematically well-tread ground, which I'd rather see directed by Affleck. End of the world stuff has been done to pieces in the last few years.

Give me a farking IT movie with the Creature from the Black Lagoon, Frankenstein's Monster, Teenage Werewolf, the Black Spot, the giant bird, the cosmic horror, the smoke lodge, Maturin, the things in the abandoned refrigerator,
 
2012-11-17 03:17:47 AM
M O O N spells 36 hours of story and an ending that will make LOST's seem like a stuck landing.
 
rpl
2012-11-17 03:50:18 AM
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2012-11-17 04:52:03 AM
1408. Best King adaptation.
 
2012-11-17 05:25:15 AM
Maybe because like any king story it has to be heavily adapted to even be close to a good movie. The shining is the only great one, misery is good. Thats it.
 
2012-11-17 06:18:21 AM

Jaws_Victim: Maybe because like any king story it has to be heavily adapted to even be close to a good movie. The shining is the only great one, misery is good. Thats it.


No love for Carrie? the Dead Zone? Stand by Me? Shawshank Redemption? The Green Mile?
Damn


/I gots love for Silver Bullet, not a great movie, but a good movie
//I gots love for Maximum Overdrive -- it always makes me laugh
 
2012-11-17 06:20:46 AM
they should do a Langoliers remake instead.
 
2012-11-17 08:25:58 AM

steve_lou: the Black Spot


Just re-read It a couple weeks ago and found something I hadn't realized in my prior multiple times through it. One of the guys at the Black Spot is named Dick Halloran, the same guy that helps Danny in the Shining. King is always throwing self-references in his stuff. Don't know how I missed that one before.
 
2012-11-17 08:26:05 AM

Loucifer: I really liked The Stand mini-series. I thought the cast was just fine.


This. And moreover, how they hell do you take a 1200+ page book, that took a 6 hour mini series to cover relatively well, and cut it down to a 2 hour movie and expect it not to suck worse than anything ever made about a King story. Affleck needs his head examined.
 
x23
2012-11-17 09:36:31 AM

BalugaJoe: they should do a Langoliers remake instead.


talk about horrible CGI. pretty sure i've seen N64 games with better graphics.
 
2012-11-17 10:28:45 AM

Githerax: An awful actor trying to sell an awful book as an awful movie? I can't see how this would fail.


yeah, but he was the bomb in phantoms
 
2012-11-17 10:28:47 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: That's really where S.King was/is best the short stories. Sure I've read much of his stuff I think some of his best he wrote as Richard Bachman.


I would love a faithful adaptation of The Running Man, although I know that is nearly impossible.

antidisestablishmentarianism: They stayed closer to the book than many other adaptations of the era, especially Crichton books. Sphere and Congo were totally slaughtered.


Crichton adaptations are about as faithful as Philip K Dick movies. Outside of the basic premise, they're nothing like the source material.
 
2012-11-17 10:38:01 AM

x23: BalugaJoe: they should do a Langoliers remake instead.

talk about horrible CGI. pretty sure i've seen N64 games with better graphics.


Langoliers , holy shiat, I barely remember that. That was terrible. But as for the CGI, it was a TV movie in 1995, cut it a little slack. But if I remember it had a story that could have been a 30 minute Twilight Zone episode. Hardly worth a movie.
 
2012-11-17 10:38:17 AM

Vexed Thespian: yeah, but he was the bomb in phantoms


yo
 
2012-11-17 11:48:02 AM
I know many Stephen King faithful consider it among their favorites, though i place it in his bottom half of works written prior to him jumping the shark (anything pre-1988).

That said, having just seen Argo, and previously having seen Gone Baby Gone, i'm now a big Ben Affleck fan. dude has reinvented himself as an exceptional director... Can't hate on that.
 
2012-11-17 12:14:01 PM
Mikey1969

"Before my mom died, she taught me to read. I basically always 2-3 years ahead of the grade level in school. My adoptive dad quit reading me the Sunday funnies after I corrected him too many times.

I've always loved reading and really tried with my stepsons, but it never stuck. My daughter, on the other hand, has been picking up books since somewhere around 6 months, not reading them, but not being able to resist them. Good thing, too, because I have 600 or so books to pass on to somebody..."


Now, there's an unfortunate sentence to mess up.
 
2012-11-17 12:41:37 PM
FTFA: ' "But I like the idea -- it's like 'The Lord of the Rings' in America.'

This is either a pretty smart interpretation of the book or one of the dumbest comments I've ever read.

I'm leaning towards the latter but am open to convincing.
 
2012-11-17 01:46:51 PM
What was wrong with the miniseries? The only bomb we are going to see is another Ben Afleck movie.
 
2012-11-17 02:29:03 PM

Maxc7001: Mikey1969

"Before my mom died, she taught me to read. I basically always 2-3 years ahead of the grade level in school. My adoptive dad quit reading me the Sunday funnies after I corrected him too many times.

I've always loved reading and really tried with my stepsons, but it never stuck. My daughter, on the other hand, has been picking up books since somewhere around 6 months, not reading them, but not being able to resist them. Good thing, too, because I have 600 or so books to pass on to somebody..."

Now, there's an unfortunate sentence to mess up.


Typing on the phone, standing in the dark, and I totally agree with you. I seen to have that knack lately.
 
2012-11-17 07:19:32 PM

Mugato: x23: BalugaJoe: they should do a Langoliers remake instead.

talk about horrible CGI. pretty sure i've seen N64 games with better graphics.

Langoliers , holy shiat, I barely remember that. That was terrible. But as for the CGI, it was a TV movie in 1995, cut it a little slack. But if I remember it had a story that could have been a 30 minute Twilight Zone episode. Hardly worth a movie.


In fact there was an episode of the New Twilight Zone (1980s) that was similar in concept, A Matter of Minutes. The one you might remember with all the blue people creating the world of the future and threatening the folks who dropped out of the time stream.
 
2012-11-17 07:19:36 PM
I think he should fund a movie version of Rose Madder, and hire the director of Requiem for a Dream or Trainspotters or Coraline just to make the bull part trippy as all balls.
 
2012-11-17 08:43:24 PM

LlamaGirl: Richard Roma: Do Swan Song instead, Ben. It's a better book and would make a better movie.

Yes. That's my favorite book and I'd love to see it as a movie....


If you are going to do Robert MacCammon, I'd rather see Stinger or Boy's Life.
 
2012-11-17 08:51:26 PM
The first time I read the stand I got an extremely bad case of the flu. Never been that sick before or since. Coughed my throat so raw I could barely swallow, lost 15 pounds in five days. I was almost wondering if I had Captain Trips.
 
2012-11-18 03:47:55 AM

Mikey1969: I never even tried to read anything else by Straub, except when Black House came out.


Shadowland, or something to that effect was actually pretty good, but the same teen(main characters) horror style Talisman was. That sort of put me off him as an author. Yeah, King's always been kind of boy centric, but he dwells on some characters being old as well. Insomnia remains one of my favorite King books ever.

Black House was fairly awesome, yet took the direction of Lost, being weird for the sake of being weird. King's always been a bit that way though, doesn't quite get structured realities.(IE any given role playing game Dragon Lance, Forgotten Realms, Vampire the Masquerade, etc, can result in some good novels without pulling stuff out of their ass)

Confabulat: And Black House WAS a Dark Tower book, even though the first one (The Talisman) was not.


That's being a bit disingenuine.

The mechanics of flipping planes, the races of beings similar to low-men, the midaevil theme. Older books are almost never intended to be part of a larger series later, so saying "it's not a Dark Tower book! as if it makes you look like some sort of genius...well, it doesn't play out as well as you may think.

Most of King's work, even his quite old stuff, has circular tie ins with other stuff, much of it just mentioned in passing, or later referred to in due sequels. That's how stories evolve and change. Just because it's not expressly stated as such, or even intended as such, does not mean that it is, indeed, NOT related. If the sequel, Black House establishes the tie in, who are you to call Stephen King mistaken, really?

I made some bread last week with the intent of just having fresh bread still warm enough to melt butter.
Thinking of slicing it up and making a sandwich with it tonight.
OMFG it's a loaf of bread, not meant to be in sammiges!!!!11!

Whatever, fark off and die, cretin.
 
2012-11-18 04:07:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: That's being a bit disingenuine.

The mechanics of flipping planes, the races of beings similar to low-men, the midaevil theme. Older books are almost never intended to be part of a larger series later, so saying "it's not a Dark Tower book! as if it makes you look like some sort of genius...well, it doesn't play out as well as you may think.

Most of King's work, even his quite old stuff, has circular tie ins with other stuff, much of it just mentioned in passing, or later referred to in due sequels. That's how stories evolve and change. Just because it's not expressly stated as such, or even intended as such, does not mean that it is, indeed, NOT related. If the sequel, Black House establishes the tie in, who are you to call Stephen King mistaken, really?

I made some bread last week with the intent of just having fresh bread still warm enough to melt butter.
Thinking of slicing it up and making a sandwich with it tonight.
OMFG it's a loaf of bread, not meant to be in sammiges!!!!11!

Whatever, fark off and die, cretin.


Have you been drinking tonight? It's hilarious to read someone so furious because of a different interpretation of a book. Anyway, Black House makes it very clear that Jack's Territories are not the same place as Roland's Mid-World, but yes, there is still the connection of passing through universes (I guess Fringe is a Dark Tower story now too, huh?)

The biggest retcon was making Speedy Parker a gunslinger in Black House, and some references at the end to "endless worlds beyond these" but none of that can turn The Talisman into a Dark Tower book. Black House doesn't really even try.
 
2012-11-18 08:07:09 AM
Black House was a big part of the Dark Tower Universe. Those kids were breakers, and the one Jack is trying to save is one of the strongest they could find.

It's also been interpreted that the Black House was the one that Jake was stuck in when Roland and the gang had to bring him back to their world (house was the same house but in a different plane of existence).

Talisman is on the fringe of the Dark Tower Universe. You remember "go now there are more worlds than this" (close enough to memory)...Jack sees many worlds in the Talisman just as Roland knows there are many. They both aren't in the same universe as each other but are part of the story as a whole.

I love seeing nuggets of other stories in another. I remember Pennywise being in Tommyknockers for about a paragraph. Not every novel has Dark Tower stuff just as not every novel has Derry stuff. It's just nice when things pop up now and again.
 
2012-11-18 02:16:25 PM

Confabulat: It's hilarious to read someone so furious


Yeah, i'm the one that is "out there".

I'm not furious that you're a dipshiat, I just find some mild entertainment value in pointing it out. Insults may correlate with anger on occasion, but one does not necessitate the other.

In all seriousness, I would like you to die in a fire. Even that does not need to spring from anger to exist, it can even come from a noble source, like the desire for the betterment of society. "Furious", indeed. Get out of the basement once in a while.

Confabulat: The biggest retcon was making Speedy Parker a gunslinger in Black House


Maybe you should stick with nonfiction. Speedy was not a gunslinger, Parkus was. A sequel novel that reveals details that were not present in the original work is not a retcon. A sequel that contradicts or changes facts, that is a retcon.
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Yeah, certainly nonfiction for you, you seem to have a dire problem with keeping King's fictional worlds separate from the reality of King's motivations and desires of what he wants to do with his works. Not a surprise when you can't fathom different characters from the books and confuse them for being the same person.

What you're seeing is the evolution of a tale, development of character. I know character is not something a cretin like you is able to really conceptualize. Do you think you're able to keep your trap shut about that which you're plainly ignorant(or..possibly incapable of learning)?

That's a conundrum. Are zealotic trolls self aware, are they capable of learning their own faults?

Of course, Poe's Law always kicks in as well.

katbarf: Talisman is on the fringe of the Dark Tower Universe. You remember "go now there are more worlds than this" (close enough to memory)...Jack sees many worlds in the Talisman just as Roland knows there are many. They both aren't in the same universe as each other but are part of the story as a whole.


This. Arguing the above point is no different that telling someone their fictional world is WRONG. Infantile, may as well try to convince people that they don't actually like their own favorite foods or colors.

The fiction is all created by King and Straub, therefore, if they to tie a past work in to other stories, it's their exclusive right. No internet farkwad can say any different with any real authority.
 
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