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(Daily Kos)   The reason Karl Rove was so panicked on election night? Hackers kept him from stealing the 2012 election   (dailykos.com) divider line 342
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2012-11-16 03:35:57 PM
Yeah, that's pretty unlikely.
 
2012-11-16 03:38:56 PM
Karl Rove was panicked because he hadn't been to the craft services table in hours.
 
2012-11-16 03:41:28 PM
I figured it was because he just saw his career go up in flames and knew he'd have to make some very uncomfortable phone calls to some very important billionaires.
 
2012-11-16 03:42:39 PM

Aarontology: I figured it was because he just saw his career go up in flames and knew he'd have to make some very uncomfortable phone calls to some very important billionaires.


Yup. Karl may have to find a real job in the future. Sucks to be him.
 
2012-11-16 03:51:55 PM
Ah geez. Really?
 
2012-11-16 03:58:36 PM
There were some very shady goings on back in 2004 with regard to Rove's pocket IT firm Smartech. Specifically on election night the system used to publish the vote totals in Ohio were linked through Smartech servers in Tennessee (the same facility that hosted the GWB42.com servers, the ones that Bush and Rove used to have a parallel, unaudited email system for the Whitehouse) in what has been described in depositions as a classic man in the middle attack.

It's interesting that this is exactly this kind of scheme what Anonymous is claiming to have prevented.
 
2012-11-16 04:00:22 PM
If Rove wasn't hacked to pieces, they didn't go far enough.
 
2012-11-16 04:03:33 PM
If it is true, it's creepily awesome.
 
2012-11-16 04:04:45 PM

dameron: There were some very shady goings on back in 2004 with regard to Rove's pocket IT firm Smartech. Specifically on election night the system used to publish the vote totals in Ohio were linked through Smartech servers in Tennessee (the same facility that hosted the GWB42.com servers, the ones that Bush and Rove used to have a parallel, unaudited email system for the Whitehouse) in what has been described in depositions as a classic man in the middle attack.

It's interesting that this is exactly this kind of scheme what Anonymous is claiming to have prevented.


If Rove was really involved with ORCA, I would expect it to actually work. The fact that it was useless, and there was no organization or communication, points to it being led by Romney.
 
2012-11-16 04:12:09 PM
I'm pretty sure he was panicked because he realized all those people he's been duping for the last 12 years suddenly realized he really is just a fat turd and not a political genius. Well, at the very least the big money people that have bankrolled his PAC's. The average Fox news viewer, possibly not
 
2012-11-16 04:18:17 PM

St_Francis_P: If Rove was really involved with ORCA, I would expect it to actually work. The fact that it was useless, and there was no organization or communication, points to it being led by Romney.


This part really isn't about ORCA, it's about Smartech's possible man in the middle capacity wrt vote tallying. Taking down ORCA seems trivial for Anonymous since the CV regarding it is that it basically shat the bed like it was designed as a bed shiatting services instead of a GOTV site.
 
2012-11-16 04:21:55 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: If it is true, it's creepily awesome.


This would be amazingly awesome if true. But there's no way its true.
 
2012-11-16 04:24:22 PM

dameron: St_Francis_P: If Rove was really involved with ORCA, I would expect it to actually work. The fact that it was useless, and there was no organization or communication, points to it being led by Romney.

This part really isn't about ORCA, it's about Smartech's possible man in the middle capacity wrt vote tallying. Taking down ORCA seems trivial for Anonymous since the CV regarding it is that it basically shat the bed like it was designed as a bed shiatting services instead of a GOTV site.


Well, if they foiled Karl's plans my hat is off to them.
 
2012-11-16 04:43:06 PM

St_Francis_P: If Rove was really involved with ORCA, I would expect it to actually work. The fact that it was useless, and there was no organization or communication, points to it being led by Romney.


This. It wasn't just that the GOP's digital GOTV system went down. Packets of credentials weren't delivered or delivered incorrectly, bad information was sent out, etc. All of that disorder was not caused a digital firewall put in place by benevolent hackers.

/ Though that would be AWESOME
 
2012-11-16 04:51:55 PM
I think this kind of explains his demeanor during the Fox News broadcast where Megyn Kelly asked him if this is Republican Math to make him feel better. I mean, he's furiously going through notes, stammering, looking off camera, demanding that they not count it for Obama yet because of Cayahoga County and the numbers would begin appearing...

Do you think Rove tried to steal this election and was thwarted?

I'm just asking questions.
 
2012-11-16 04:54:14 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: Do you think Rove tried to steal this election and was thwarted?

I'm just asking questions.


Ask yourself this: if Rove COULD steal an election would he?
 
2012-11-16 04:57:02 PM
Some people are saying that Rove stole the 2000 and 2004 election in this manner. Some people are asking the question, did Karl Rove try to steal the 2012 election? Some sources are saying he did. Some people are saying his attempt was thwarted.


/Fox News style "reporting"
 
2012-11-16 05:22:44 PM
I would suggest not getting your "news" from Anonymous in the future.
 
2012-11-16 05:29:37 PM

naughtyrev: Karl Rove was panicked because he hadn't been to the craft services table in hours minutes.


FTFY

NowhereMon: HST's Dead Carcass: Do you think Rove tried to steal this election and was thwarted?

I'm just asking questions.

Ask yourself this: if Rove COULD steal an election would he?


Your question implies that you doubt that he would.
 
2012-11-16 06:12:06 PM
"Yeah, um -- I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there."
 
It would have taken a lot more than Ohio, anyway.  He should have been equally flipping out when they started calling all the other swing states early.
 
2012-11-16 07:25:17 PM

Peaceboy: "Yeah, um -- I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of disagree with you there."
 
It would have taken a lot more than Ohio, anyway.  He should have been equally flipping out when they started calling all the other swing states early.


FTFA ""The Protectors" said that they had identified the digital structure of Rove's operation and of ORCA, a Republican get out the vote software application. After finding open "doors" in the systems, they created a "password protected firewall" called "The Great Oz," and installed it on servers that Rove planned to use on election night to re-route and change election results "from three states."

Well Florida took days to count so if it had been Ohio, Florida and I dunno - Pa.? Iowa? I do find this story to be somewhat credible if only because Rove and friends seemed genuinely shocked when they didnt win. Plus the whole narrative leading up to election night that Romney was a shoe-in. Romneys smirk after Benghazi, the fireworks bought and ready in Boston - all pointed to the expectation of a coronation.
 
2012-11-16 07:47:54 PM
If something like this were to ever happen, what kind of federal PMITA experience might someone expect?  Throwing a presidential election, does this fall under treason?
 
2012-11-16 07:54:45 PM

GAT_00: I would suggest not getting your "news" from Anonymous in the future.


How else will I know the sexual orientation of OP?
 
2012-11-16 07:58:37 PM

Peaceboy: If something like this were to ever happen, what kind of federal PMITA experience might someone expect?  Throwing a presidential election, does this fall under treason?


Depends on which side "wins."
 
2012-11-16 08:09:27 PM

Ed Finnerty: GAT_00: I would suggest not getting your "news" from Anonymous in the future.

How else will I know the sexual orientation of OP?


The sexual orientation of OP is always known.
 
2012-11-16 08:09:48 PM
My hypothesis:

1) After 2010, Rove ASSUMED 2012 would be bad for Democrats.

2) Rove realized that, if his anti-Democratic assumptions were shared by the public, NO ONE would pay him for his services.

3) So, Rove told people that Obama would have a $1 Billion campaign that would overcome his inherent weaknesses.

4) When Rove realized Obama would win on his own merits, Rove panicked.

5) November 6, 2012. 

6) Republicans desperately hoped that FOX "News" would save the day. 

7) It didn't happen.
 
2012-11-16 08:26:15 PM
Tragically, this falls under the "three men can keep a secret if two are dead" category. Orca was intended to enable significant vote suppression, disguised as a GOTV apparatus. It couldn't access states' voting databases. Simply implausible to the level of impossibility that an overt, computer-based attack against multiple states' systems could be pulled off by anything short of a very large conspiracy, which would have had leaks.

If Orca had worked as planned, AND if Ohio/Florida vote counts had been very, very close, they could have used it to challenge enough votes to affect the election. But there were simply too many Obama votes to effectively counter with the low-level suppression that was possible without there being a big banner screaming, in effect, "WE'RE CHALLENGING ALL THE BLACKS AND LATINOS VOTES".

Obama won, fair and square. Rove knew it was going to happen and was trying to monkey-wrench it any way he could. He just ended up looking pathetic at the end.
 
2012-11-16 08:35:39 PM

Peaceboy: If something like this were to ever happen, what kind of federal PMITA experience might someone expect?  Throwing a presidential election, does this fall under treason?


None. If this were to happen, Karl Rove and a handful of political operatives you've never heard of would no longer be with us by the time a formal investigation got traction.
 
/google Michael Connell
 
2012-11-16 08:47:28 PM

dugitman: /google Michael Connell


Gah!
 
"Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. has called the case 'more serious than Watergate.'"
 
2012-11-16 09:23:03 PM

dugitman: Peaceboy: If something like this were to ever happen, what kind of federal PMITA experience might someone expect?  Throwing a presidential election, does this fall under treason?

None. If this were to happen, Karl Rove and a handful of political operatives you've never heard of would no longer be with us by the time a formal investigation got traction.
 
/google Michael Connell


Note to self: If you ever learn anything incredibly damning to someone, do not fly ANYWHERE.
 
2012-11-16 09:41:40 PM
More than likely, Rove was basing his prediction on unskewedpolls.com.
 
2012-11-16 09:54:13 PM
pbs.twimg.com

On to Plan B.
 
2012-11-16 10:00:57 PM
If these guys hacked into Rove, what makes us think they didn't hack into his intended target and have a little mischief for their favored candidate?

just askin
 
2012-11-16 10:10:12 PM

EnviroDude: If these guys hacked into Rove, what makes us think they didn't hack into his intended target and have a little mischief for their favored candidate?

just askin


Of course. Ask away. It's a favored trick that Faux News uses.

Just ignore the fact that even the liberals are having a hard time swallowing Roves ability to change the outcome.
 
2012-11-16 10:21:02 PM

EnviroDude: If these guys hacked into Rove, what makes us think they didn't hack into his intended target and have a little mischief for their favored candidate?

just askin


Or maybe the real question we should ask is why it's feasible to hack elections to begin with.
 
2012-11-16 10:24:06 PM

make me some tea: More than likely, Rove was basing his prediction on unskewedpolls.com.


Karl Rove was the root of unskewed and like-minded pundits' perception of how the 2012 election would go. He knew the reality from the beginning, but thought he could shape the election with his political tactics fueled by a shiat-ton of cash. Unlike other life-pursuits, politics has a definitive come-to-jesus talk that happens on the first Tuesday evening in November. Hubris, and a demon named Jerry Lundegaard, made Rove forget this.
 
2012-11-16 10:24:27 PM

Triumph: [pbs.twimg.com image 800x800]



*rightclick*saveas*rove-and-patreuswench.jpg*
 
2012-11-16 10:32:22 PM
Thank you, subby. Masterful use of the UNLIKELY tag.
 
2012-11-16 10:50:42 PM
Either Anon is just calling everything ORCA or this is made up. Given Anon, it seems like either one is possible.
 
2012-11-16 11:03:55 PM
wow. Three focal points of pants on backwards retarded -Karl Rove, Anonymous, American Thinker Daily Kos.
 
2012-11-16 11:04:02 PM
Anon claims a lot of things. Pay no attention to the fact that the people in the first article were offering a million dollars for proof of election fraud...no motive to lie there.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:53 PM
Strange, I opened the Wall Street Journal today to the opinion page and saw an article
from Karl Rove. When suddenly the whole paper burst into flames! Right in my hands!
I wonder what it means?
 
2012-11-16 11:06:05 PM
I think I found a picture of someone hacking Karl Rove.

www.rawstory.com
 
2012-11-16 11:10:38 PM
Only DailyKos would believe Karl Rove was smart enough to steal an election.

How gullible can you get.
 
2012-11-16 11:10:48 PM
Rove on Faux News during election night was like John Turturro begging for his life in Miller's Crossing.

img138.imageshack.us

He wasted hundreds of millions of dollars belonging to some of the most powerful people in the world. I'd spend the rest of my days looking over my shoulder.
 
2012-11-16 11:11:01 PM

DamnYankees: AdolfOliverPanties: If it is true, it's creepily awesome.

This would be amazingly awesome if true. But there's no way its true.


This. I'd love it to be true, but real life doesn't work that way.

Dammit.
 
2012-11-16 11:11:11 PM

dugitman: Peaceboy: If something like this were to ever happen, what kind of federal PMITA experience might someone expect?  Throwing a presidential election, does this fall under treason?

None. If this were to happen, Karl Rove and a handful of political operatives you've never heard of would no longer be with us by the time a formal investigation got traction.
 
/google Michael Connell


wiki Michael Louis Connell (November 30, 1963 - December 19, 2008) was a high-level Republican consultant who was subpoenaed in a case regarding alleged tampering with the 2004 U.S. Presidential election and a case involving thousands of missing emails pertaining to the political firing of U.S. Attorneys. Connell was killed when the plane he was flying crashed on December 19, 2008.

Fine. But you can't prove there was no pre-flight PMITA experience. Well, unless you have an autopsy report describing the anus' remarkableness.
 
2012-11-16 11:11:24 PM
Now a shadowy group called "The Protectors" is claiming that they hacked into Rove's system

i2.cdnds.net

We are the Protectors! 

/Well it's funny if you imagine it in his voice
 
2012-11-16 11:11:37 PM

EnviroDude: If these guys hacked into Rove, what makes us think they didn't hack into his intended target and have a little mischief for their favored candidate?

just askin


Try to keep up. The alleged plan in this fantasy was that Rove was REALLY going to use ORCA for voter suppression by scraping voter names from the rolls. Voter suppression would have hurt Obammy - not helped him.
I keep promising myself I won't get sucked into these "thought exercise" discussions.
We all know this whole article is a troll.
 
2012-11-16 11:13:32 PM
Does Rove have incredibly vivid nightmares during the nigh, or is he able to deflect all that nasty energy onto unsuspecting aides and personal secretaries?
 
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