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(Deadspin)   The weirdest and worst ballots for MLB awards. Kudos to the jackstain that had, for the AL MVP race, Adrian Beltre #1 over both Multiple Miggs Cabrera and Mike Trout   (deadspin.com) divider line 32
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2012-11-16 04:12:24 PM  
"Winner: Sheldon Ocker, Akron Beacon Journal, AL MVP. Cabrera, Trout. Trout, Cabrera. Either combination is defensible. Ocker had Trout third, behind Adrian Beltre. There is no metric, advanced or otherwise, that can seriously justify this."

Ocker's vote:
1. Miguel Cabrera
2. Adrian Beltre
3. Mike Trout

/SUBMITTER FAIL
 
2012-11-16 04:59:45 PM  
This article is a failboat floating on a sea of fail.
 
2012-11-16 05:26:40 PM  
Adrian Beltre is the best player in all of baseball, so I don't really see a problem putting him #1.
 
2012-11-16 06:23:49 PM  
I would have gone Kyle Seager. Imagine how bad the Mariners would have been without him this year.
 
2012-11-16 06:23:49 PM  
Didn't even read the article (yet), but two words:

TRACY

RINGOLSBY
 
2012-11-16 06:26:50 PM  
IIRC, in 1996 or 1997 neithe Ken Griffey Jr. or A-Rod won the MVP because a Seattle writer voted for Juan Gonzalez or Ivan Rodriguez. Weird.
 
2012-11-16 06:27:42 PM  
Many of those ballots are just beyond stupid. Putting Adrian Beltre above Trout/Cabrera is stupid. Also, I'm pretty sure that first guy is bias towards Latin players. I could've sworn there was another deadspin-ish article that blasted him for similar things.

Also, I'm not arguing that Kimbrel should've been MVP consideration. However, this statement is just wrong: He may not have been the best closer in his league. Craig Kimbrel

The guy had one of, if not the, best closer season in history. He was damn near automatic and struck out half the batters he faced. He was the best closer in the league (and probably the majors) and should've gotten more Cy Young consideration.
 
2012-11-16 06:44:35 PM  

bulldg4life: The guy had one of, if not the, best closer season in history. He was damn near automatic and struck out half the batters he faced. He was the best closer in the league (and probably the majors) and should've gotten more Cy Young consideration.



One thing I've noticed about deadspin recently is that they've run too far in the opposite direction - trusting WAR completely, and not treating it as what it is - a statistic. I've noticed them saying stuff like "Mike Trout was worth 10.7 wins over replacement" which isn't necessarily true because we don't really understand the variance within the statistic, and in any case it's not an exact measure of how good the player is.
 
Since closers don't get nearly as many innings, and since WAR is a cumulative statistic, they don't rack up nearly the WAR that starters have, which is why I suspect deadspin hasn't noticed him - but yeah, Kimbrel was crazy good this year. Striking out half the batters you face? That's just ridiculous.
 
2012-11-16 06:45:07 PM  

bulldg4life: Many of those ballots are just beyond stupid. Putting Adrian Beltre above Trout/Cabrera is stupid. Also, I'm pretty sure that first guy is bias towards Latin players. I could've sworn there was another deadspin-ish article that blasted him for similar things.

Also, I'm not arguing that Kimbrel should've been MVP consideration. However, this statement is just wrong: He may not have been the best closer in his league. Craig Kimbrel

The guy had one of, if not the, best closer season in history. He was damn near automatic and struck out half the batters he faced. He was the best closer in the league (and probably the majors) and should've gotten more Cy Young consideration.


I mentioned this in a couple of other threads, but by saying that Kimbrel should've gotten more Cy Young consideration but not MVP, you're actually looking at the issue completely opposite from what the voters did.

As a pitcher, Kimbrel's season is essentially nothing thanks to his low IP total. Thus, no real Cy votes.

But (again, according to the voters), a closer is VALUABLE despite the IP. Hence, beating out Dickey & Kershaw in the MVP race.
 
2012-11-16 06:48:08 PM  

rcf1105: bulldg4life: The guy had one of, if not the, best closer season in history. He was damn near automatic and struck out half the batters he faced. He was the best closer in the league (and probably the majors) and should've gotten more Cy Young consideration.


One thing I've noticed about deadspin recently is that they've run too far in the opposite direction - trusting WAR completely, and not treating it as what it is - a statistic. I've noticed them saying stuff like "Mike Trout was worth 10.7 wins over replacement" which isn't necessarily true because we don't really understand the variance within the statistic, and in any case it's not an exact measure of how good the player is.
 
Since closers don't get nearly as many innings, and since WAR is a cumulative statistic, they don't rack up nearly the WAR that starters have, which is why I suspect deadspin hasn't noticed him - but yeah, Kimbrel was crazy good this year. Striking out half the batters you face? That's just ridiculous.


I suspect you missed this article:

http://deadspin.com/5926617/why-aaron-cook-and-his-two-strikeouts-ar e- a-nightmare-for-sabermetrics
 
2012-11-16 06:55:08 PM  

DeWayne Mann: As a pitcher, Kimbrel's season is essentially nothing thanks to his low IP total. Thus, no real Cy votes.

But (again, according to the voters), a closer is VALUABLE despite the IP. Hence, beating out Dickey & Kershaw in the MVP race.


Ok? So, I don't agree with it.

Craig Kimbrel pitched his ass off this year. And, there is a reasonable argument for him being one of the best pitchers in the league.
 
2012-11-16 06:58:08 PM  

bulldg4life: Ok? So, I don't agree with it.


So, welcome to the "the voters make no sense" club. We have meatloaf and chocolate milk available in the basement.
 
2012-11-16 07:03:15 PM  

DeWayne Mann: So, welcome to the "the voters make no sense" club.


I'm a founding member of that club. Ever since I found out those retards don't vote people to the HoF cause Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous.
 
2012-11-16 07:36:19 PM  
Cabrera shouldn't even be eligible, farking doper
 
2012-11-16 07:41:53 PM  

relaxitsjustme: Cabrera shouldn't even be eligible, farking doper


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2012-11-16 07:42:59 PM  

bulldg4life: DeWayne Mann: So, welcome to the "the voters make no sense" club.

I'm a founding member of that club. Ever since I found out those retards don't vote people to the HoF cause Babe Ruth wasn't unanimous.


Not only non unanimous, not even the best in his class.
 
2012-11-16 07:44:10 PM  
Worst homer vote

Third runner-up: John Fay, Cincinnati Enquirer, NL CY Young. We get it. You cover the Reds. Johnny Cueto still wasn't the best pitcher in the NL.


R.A. Dickey: 2.73 ERA
Clayton Kershaw: 2.53 ERA
Johnny Cueto: 2.78 ERA

R.A. Dickey: plays in a pitcher's park
Clayton Kershaw: plays in a pitcher's park
Johnny Cueto: plays in a park where it's really friggin' easy to hit home runs

I wouldn't vote for Cueto (the lower IP totals are a point against him), but a first place vote for him is totally defensible.
 
2012-11-16 08:03:48 PM  

Slog: Worst homer vote

Third runner-up: John Fay, Cincinnati Enquirer, NL CY Young. We get it. You cover the Reds. Johnny Cueto still wasn't the best pitcher in the NL.

R.A. Dickey: 2.73 ERA
Clayton Kershaw: 2.53 ERA
Johnny Cueto: 2.78 ERA

R.A. Dickey: plays in a pitcher's park
Clayton Kershaw: plays in a pitcher's park
Johnny Cueto: plays in a park where it's really friggin' easy to hit home runs

I wouldn't vote for Cueto (the lower IP totals are a point against him), but a first place vote for him is totally defensible.


Craig Kimbrel ate the lunch of nearly every batter he faced.

/Not that the relievers not pitching as many innings stance isn't valid.
 
2012-11-16 08:48:47 PM  

Slog: Worst homer vote

Third runner-up: John Fay, Cincinnati Enquirer, NL CY Young. We get it. You cover the Reds. Johnny Cueto still wasn't the best pitcher in the NL.

R.A. Dickey: 2.73 ERA
Clayton Kershaw: 2.53 ERA
Johnny Cueto: 2.78 ERA

R.A. Dickey: plays in a pitcher's park
Clayton Kershaw: plays in a pitcher's park
Johnny Cueto: plays in a park where it's really friggin' easy to hit home runs

I wouldn't vote for Cueto (the lower IP totals are a point against him), but a first place vote for him is totally defensible.


Yep. Cueto should be higher. Above Gio, who really just had 21 wins and a lot of strikeouts going for him.
 
2012-11-16 09:11:23 PM  

Di Atribe: Adrian Beltre is the best player in all of baseball, so I don't really see a problem putting him #1.


Beltre was extremely valuable to his team. With Josh flaky all year, and the mediocre starting pitching, the Rangers would have struggled to stay at .500 without him and the year he had.

Trout was extremely valuable to his team as well, but he went into a slump at the end of the season, and his team still continued to win.

Trout had the better year, but the question of "value" is subjective.
 
2012-11-16 10:07:00 PM  
The all time worst vote has to be 1947. It was a hard fought race between Ted Williams (who won the Triple Crown that year) and Joe Dimaggio, with Dimaggio winning by exactly one point.

One writer left Ted Williams entirely off his ballot, ranking ten people ahead of him. Three writers didn't bother to rank Dimaggio. Two writers chose to give their first place votes instead to Eddie Joost, a shortstop who hit a whopping .206 for the year.
 
2012-11-16 10:10:47 PM  

Di Atribe: Adrian Beltre is the best player in all of baseball, so I don't really see a problem putting him #1.


Though he was voted #2 for MVP I have to agree that he is the best all around player in baseball... By far the best third baseman ( probably the best fielder) and swings a hell of a bat...

Advanced sabermetrics have way too much trouble with defense. Adrian Beltre is worth way more than the typical WAR he gets every year

It's a pleasure to watch him play every day
 
2012-11-16 11:04:33 PM  

seumasokelly: IIRC, in 1996 or 1997 neithe Ken Griffey Jr. or A-Rod won the MVP because a Seattle writer voted for Juan Gonzalez or Ivan Rodriguez. Weird.


I believe that what happened is that A-Rod had a clear-cut case for MVP and Griffey, while posting a very good season, was kind of in the second tier. But one of the Seattle voters put Griffey first. The scoring system is 14-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 (taken from this Deadspin article). According to this here. A-Rod lost to Gonzo by 3 points, and would have won if he had gotten 14 points instead of 9 or 8 or whatever that voter gave him.

But you know what? Fark A-Rod.
 
2012-11-16 11:37:51 PM  
I believe that Adrian Beltre might be the most underrated player of this generation. Tons of pop in his bat, and is a fantastic fielder. I think when it's all said and done, Beltre has a Tim Raines type career where people don't realize how good he was until 10+ years later when his skills are much more appreciated.
 
2012-11-17 12:44:41 AM  

bulldg4life:

The guy had one of, if not the, best closer season in history. He was damn near automatic and struck out half the batters he faced. He was the best closer in the league (and probably the majors) and should've gotten more Cy Young consideration.


I don't even think Kimbrel had the best numbers for a closer this year, much less ever. Fernando Rodney's numbers are beyond ridiculous.
 
2012-11-17 01:14:32 AM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: I believe that Adrian Beltre might be the most underrated player of this generation. Tons of pop in his bat, and is a fantastic fielder. I think when it's all said and done, Beltre has a Tim Raines type career where people don't realize how good he was until 10+ years later when his skills are much more appreciated.


Those years in cavernous SafeCo really hurt his perception. Especially that he hit 48 homers the year before he went to Seattle, and the value of that contract. Looking back on it now, had he moved to a more hitter-friendly ballpark maybe he hits 35-40 homers a year for that stretch, he'd be an 8-time all-star instead of a 3-timer.

He's still relatively young, only 33 as a 15-year vet.
 
2012-11-17 01:38:15 AM  

Orange Rhyming Dictionary: I believe that Adrian Beltre might be the most underrated player of this generation. Tons of pop in his bat, and is a fantastic fielder. I think when it's all said and done, Beltre has a Tim Raines type career where people don't realize how good he was until 10+ years later when his skills are much more appreciated.


Scott Rolen's in a similar boat. Slightly better (or at least more consistent) bat, slightly worse glove at least according to dWAR.
 
2012-11-17 01:44:47 AM  
Hopefully within the next couple years it's between Cueto and Chapman :)
 
2012-11-17 09:34:34 AM  
baseball writers are such d-bags. But so are baseball players.

One time I and my friends were stuck up in the nosebleed section at an Edmonton Oilers game. We heckled the sportswriter Terry Jones for being a big fatass all game. At first he looked at his fellow sportswriters with a look like "what a bunch of losers, eh?" but by the end of the game you could tell he was totally choked and absolutely hated us..

l.yimg.com 

We also heckled Craig McTavich for being a drunk driving homicide guy. I was listening to the radio after, and the host was just disgusted.
 
2012-11-17 01:10:35 PM  

devioustrevor: bulldg4life:

The guy had one of, if not the, best closer season in history. He was damn near automatic and struck out half the batters he faced. He was the best closer in the league (and probably the majors) and should've gotten more Cy Young consideration.

I don't even think Kimbrel had the best numbers for a closer this year, much less ever. Fernando Rodney's numbers are beyond ridiculous.


Not sure if serious....

Jason Stark did an entire column about how historic his year was. I'd look it up for you but I'm in the bathroom and don't wanna.

/use your google
 
2012-11-17 01:37:39 PM  

jigsawspartan: Not sure if serious....

Jason Stark did an entire column about how historic his year was. I'd look it up for you but I'm in the bathroom and don't wanna.

/use your google


Fernando Rodney: 0.60 ERA (634 ERA+), 48 saves in 74.2 IP
Craig Kimbrel: 1.01 ERA (399 ERA+), 42 saves in 62.2 IP

I'm being a little unfair here, since those aren't stats that I particularly like. But that is, generally, what people talk about when they talk about a closer's numbers, right?
 
2012-11-17 11:10:57 PM  

Maysin: It's a pleasure to watch him play every day


I'm right there with ya. He's great & consistent about it. He may not be a national treasure, but he should be.
 
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