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2012-11-16 03:41:34 PM
Dangerous times my friends. Israel sees weakness in its neighbors now and is poised to take advantage. But never forget who backs the forces of terrorism in Gaza, Syria, and Lebanon. If Israeli forces are able to strike a decisive blow against Hamas, how long until Iran is next.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:13 PM

Quick Fixer: Amos Quito: RULES OF ENGAGEMENT :

[Derp]

...yes, Amos you and Deuteronomy

Wait... There are meat-trees in Israel?

Maybe there is something worth fighting over over there...


Well, yeeaah? They've taxonomied them an' everything, duh:

www.yongsshin.com

It's called the Holy Land, dude... they've got everything.

NSFW Example

/different type of meat
 
2012-11-16 03:52:30 PM

Porous Horace: give me doughnuts:
You knopw what burns hotter than white phosphorus?

My cock when I pee?


There're medications for that....
 
2012-11-16 03:54:59 PM

nmemkha: Danger Mouse: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Except the Christians and the Jews aren't the ones doing the fighting.

/religion of peice

Judaism is a religion of piece. They want a this piece of Gaza, that piece of the West Bank.


If you disarmed the Palistines, you would have peace. If you disarmed the jews, there would be a genocide.
 
2012-11-16 03:55:05 PM

FitzShivering: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

I bet you'd get pretty upset if they launched a missile at the Large Hadron Collider, though. :D


I would be very upset, the Swiss however, would remain indifferent.

Also, has anyone tried explaining to these people that god is made up, like the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy? I think they would stop fighting if they knew there wasn't a skywizard
 
2012-11-16 04:08:34 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-16 04:10:14 PM

Mija: bostonguy: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Uh, it's more like one of them is fighting the other two, and often themselves when individual sects disagree.

Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus


The Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the same god, know as God, Allah, Yahweh, Lord, and a few other names.

Christians are Jewish heretics that believe that the Messiah, the one called 'Jesus', has already been here and left. While some Jews recognize him as a rabbi or a prophet, they don't buy off on the whole Jesus was the God in the body of man thing. Or talking donkeys. Or Jesus making guest appearances on the Paul and Peter Show. Christians as a rule are taught to believe that they should not be judgmental, should not take revenge on their enemies, and should be generous to each other. They are also taught if you buy into all that but still don't buy into the Jesus was God on Earth thing (and that everything his disciples said actually happened and they recorded every word he said as noted in the Bible with 100% accuracy), you're going to Hell.

Muslims are also Jewish heretics that combined beliefs from Jewish faith with a bit of Christian heresy, and tribal beliefs. They trace their lineage back to Abraham and claim that someone named Mohammed was the final word on everything...except where someone decided to play editor and organize his writings and add additional stuff in other book he didn't actually write (Mormons, that should sound familiar). Of course because Muslims believe Mohammed had the final word on everything, anyone who doesn't think so but believes in God (Allah, Yaweh, etc.) gets to live (well, usually...they are still a bit iffy on the the whole Jewish thing). Anyone else who doesn't believe in God is not only going to Hell (Christians that should sound familiar), but Muslims have an obligation to make sure they get there with all possible speed in they don't repent.

Jews are the original chosen people. Not the original believers in God, but the first to get really serious about it and build fixed structures dedicated to his worship. They also believe that God told someone to build a wooden ship with an infinite cargo hold, then made sure that he, his wife, sons and their wives got on board before wiping everyone else out. You are therefore descended from him. Oh and...he also got drunk after all the rain and stuff and he condemned one of his sons who saw him naked, but we'll skip ahead to the important part: Moses. He wrote down a lot of stuff, like telling the Jews how to live--ten simple rules for not pissing God off. The Jews of course codified and expanded upon all that and things were going great for the most part until their kings had trouble keeping their dick in the pants, keeping their wives from worshiping false gods, and generally making a mess of things. Their kingdom was divided and eventually the two separate pieces both fell to larger empires. After that many of the Jews scattered or were forced to scatter and things were never quite the same after that. The good news is that they spread their faith to other lands, and influenced a lot of people...like those that would become the Christians and Muslims.

So there you have it. I've just saved you hours of Wiki searches. Enjoy your weekend.
 
2012-11-16 04:11:21 PM

Mija: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Science can't even cure cancer or diabetes. Every day something new is found that till today we were told did not exist. You bet your eternal soul on that? Fool.


Republican levels of knowledge detected
 
2012-11-16 04:13:27 PM
Anonymous hacker group attacks Israeli websites Link

Link

\not sure if this is a good move for them
 
2012-11-16 04:17:34 PM

Tellingthem: Anonymous hacker group attacks Israeli websites Link

Link

\not sure if this is a good move for them


Anonymous......

http://GO.FARK.YOURSELVES/

/Shut Up While ADULTS are Securing The World.
 
2012-11-16 04:22:49 PM

PsiChick: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

ohwaityou'reserious.jpeg

/You're right in the same sense that telling someone on bath salts they have no right to eat your face off is right.
//So yeah, good luck with that.
///And happy f**kin' Thanksgiving.


Awww....sorry to shiat all over your fairy tales/fables. Do some reading over the weekend about actual history, you might be surprised what you will find.

/have my masters in world history
//looks like you have a masters in hurrrrrrrr and durrrrrrrr
 
2012-11-16 04:25:49 PM
ghostwind: 2012-11-16 01:36:30 PM
(deleted: Attempting to start a flamewar)


All references to Tatsuma are now banned on fark? great...
 
2012-11-16 04:27:31 PM
Can the US, Russia and China finally cooperate to do some good? Give everyone 30 days to leave, then plaster the region with nukes. Problem solved, permanently.
 
2012-11-16 04:31:16 PM

Danger Mouse: If you disarmed the Palistines, you would have peace. If you disarmed the jews, there would be a genocide.


What if we just disarmed Israel?
 
2012-11-16 04:33:55 PM
Let them blow each other to atoms. That's all they've been doing over there for the last 2,000 years. Nothing anyone can do will end it.
 
2012-11-16 04:39:22 PM
This one goes out to Amos Q.

In my country there is problem,
And that problem is transport.
It take very very long,
Because Kazakhstan is big.

Throw transport down the well
So my country can be free
We must make travel easy
Then we'll have a big party

In my country there is problem
And that problem is the Jew
They take everybody money
And they never give it back

Throw the jew down the well
So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have a big party

If you see the Jew coming
You must be carefull of his teeth
You must grab him by his money
And I tell you what to do

Throw the jew down the well
So my country can be free
You must grab him by his horns
Then we have a big party
 
2012-11-16 04:44:07 PM
Oh, look, a bunch of people living in the Middle East are trying to kill each other. Must be a day that ends in 'y'.
 
2012-11-16 04:52:48 PM

bostonguy: A related reason is that Israel, as described, has become a solid, center-right country as a result of the Gaza Disengagement, which as recent events show, was an utter mistake.


The disengagement wasn't the mistake...the mistake was in its utter clusterfark of an execution, followed up by outright refusing to deal with the (freely and fairly) elected Hamas government. As others have pointed out -- and has been demonstrated to be true, time and again, regardless of nationality or circumstance -- extremism feeds off extremism. And moreover, legitimacy forces moderation, which in turn discredits extremism. That goes both ways. Had there been at least a good faith attempt by the Quartet and Israel to enter negotiations with the Hamas government as a legitimate, democratic, authority, Hamas may have found itself in a position (and with reason) to police its extremism and moderate itself on behalf of its people.
 
2012-11-16 04:58:18 PM
At the rate things are going, I could see this getting quite out-of-hand in the next week. While we're enjoying a nice Thanksgiving dinner with family and friends here in the US next week, Israel may well be occupying Gaza and possibly southern Lebanon if Hezbollah decides to join in on the rocket-lobbing. It wouldn't surprise me to see several wrecked nuclear sites in Iran, either.

Hamas had to go and rile 'em all up, my bet is the IDF goes all "Roadhouse" on Hamas and anyone else who is significantly pissing them off lately.

/ROADHOUSE!
 
2012-11-16 05:00:40 PM
give me doughnuts
You'd better tell the UNHCR because the don't mention the Hmong at all.

Not surprising.


Seraphym
if Hamas and Gazan militants would just stop trying to kill Israelis for even 6 months.

What do you expect- that they're just going to wake up one morning and stop being filled with hate and desire for revenge?

Palestinians have no real leverage over Israel. You might not like to admit it but the rockets' main effect is that some people periodically have to stop what they're doing for a few minutes. Israel could flatten Gaza within hours and has the West Bank on lockdown. Israel has used their military victories and monopoly on force to take land, take water, and make people's lives miserable- strategically, they are unquestionably the aggressor ("strategic offense, tactical defense"). It's insane to blame the powerless.

stopping one's own civilians from being indescriminately killed by rocket fire from a neighbor is not a crime, it's called self defense.

The demand that every rocket be responded to with an airstrike only perpetuates the conflict, and does nothing to actually stop the rockets. Which results in more deaths: 50 dead all at once and then zero forever, or one every year until the end of time?

Why is ALL the impetus on Palestinians to suddenly have a great epiphany, to try peace? Just as Israeli hawks think that only force can stop the rockets, Palestinian hawks think that only rockets prevent Israel from rolling over them. Why is it only demanded of the Palestinians to disarm?

those trying to kill them for just existing.

Get your head out of your ass.


bostonguy
the Gaza Disengagement, which as recent events show, was an utter mistake.

You as well There was no farking disengagement.
 
2012-11-16 05:05:03 PM

hdhale: Mija: bostonguy: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Uh, it's more like one of them is fighting the other two, and often themselves when individual sects disagree.

Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

The Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the same god, know as God, Allah, Yahweh, Lord, and a few other names.

Christians are Jewish heretics that believe that the Messiah, the one called 'Jesus', has already been here and left. While some Jews recognize him as a rabbi or a prophet, they don't buy off on the whole Jesus was the God in the body of man thing. Or talking donkeys. Or Jesus making guest appearances on the Paul and Peter Show. Christians as a rule are taught to believe that they should not be judgmental, should not take revenge on their enemies, and should be generous to each other. They are also taught if you buy into all that but still don't buy into the Jesus was God on Earth thing (and that everything his disciples said actually happened and they recorded every word he said as noted in the Bible with 100% accuracy), you're going to Hell.

Muslims are also Jewish heretics that combined beliefs from Jewish faith with a bit of Christian heresy, and tribal beliefs. They trace their lineage back to Abraham and claim that someone named Mohammed was the final word on everything...except where someone decided to play editor and organize his writings and add additional stuff in other book he didn't actually write (Mormons, that should sound familiar). Of course because Muslims believe Mohammed had the final word on everything, anyone who doesn't think so but believes in God (Allah, Yaweh, etc.) gets to live (well, usually. ...


That's... just...
pretty damn good, actually. Thanks!

*copy/pasting into a doc file*
 
2012-11-16 05:13:50 PM

MmmmBacon: Hamas had to go and rile 'em all up, my bet is the IDF goes all "Roadhouse" on Hamas and anyone else who is significantly pissing them off lately.


The scenario that scares me is Israel uses the "Iranian rocket" as an excuse to go shiatcakes in Syria, since Syria is a strategic ally of Iran...
 
2012-11-16 05:22:32 PM
ALL HAIL ATHEISM! WORSHIPERS OF SCIENCE! THE TRUE RELIGION OF PEACE!

whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com

lol. peaceful science. riiiight.
 
2012-11-16 05:35:58 PM
I'd like this conflict to end quickly and with minimum casualties on both sides. Since that's not going to happen.. 
fc06.deviantart.net
 
2012-11-16 05:37:26 PM

Mija: bostonguy: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Uh, it's more like one of them is fighting the other two, and often themselves when individual sects disagree.

Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus


So explain again why God can't forgive sin without someone killing his son again? I mean, he's all powerful, what the heck would he need somethign liek that?
 
2012-11-16 05:38:44 PM

fluffy2097: ALL HAIL ATHEISM! WORSHIPERS OF SCIENCE! THE TRUE RELIGION OF PEACE!

[whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com image 450x338]

lol. peaceful science. riiiight.


For my own sanity I'm going to pretend that you're not really that stupid.
 
2012-11-16 05:44:35 PM

A Shambling Mound: fluffy2097: ALL HAIL ATHEISM! WORSHIPERS OF SCIENCE! THE TRUE RELIGION OF PEACE!

[whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com image 450x338]

lol. peaceful science. riiiight.

For my own sanity I'm going to pretend that you're not really that stupid.


Science doesn't kill.

On the other hand, quite a few "scientists" have done some pretty obscene shiat in the interests of furthering their fields of study, regardless of whether or not those fields are legitimate. See: eugenics, German medical experiments on concentration camp prisoners, the US government testing drugs on prisoners without informed consent, Thomas Edison proposing electricity as a method of execution, Soviets using psychiatric wards to trump up diagnoses to silence political and religious dissidents, etc.

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING carried out without moderation or concern for others is dangerous. Scientific inquiry, religious worship, governance, you name it.
 
2012-11-16 05:59:29 PM

Marine1: A Shambling Mound: fluffy2097: ALL HAIL ATHEISM! WORSHIPERS OF SCIENCE! THE TRUE RELIGION OF PEACE!

[whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com image 450x338]

lol. peaceful science. riiiight.

For my own sanity I'm going to pretend that you're not really that stupid.

Science doesn't kill.

On the other hand, quite a few "scientists" have done some pretty obscene shiat in the interests of furthering their fields of study, regardless of whether or not those fields are legitimate. See: eugenics, German medical experiments on concentration camp prisoners, the US government testing drugs on prisoners without informed consent, Thomas Edison proposing electricity as a method of execution, Soviets using psychiatric wards to trump up diagnoses to silence political and religious dissidents, etc.

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING carried out without moderation or concern for others is dangerous. Scientific inquiry, religious worship, governance, you name it.


I don't see how this proves your point that "Science doesn't kill." If anything you disproved it. "Religion" doesn't kill either, but people practicing it sure do, just like science. If you are just arguing semantics then great job, but Religion and Science are both responsible for plenty of death.
 
2012-11-16 06:05:07 PM

Marine1: Science doesn't kill.


Science doesn't kill. It just automates the process.

What with more and more Atheists chanting to the drumbeat of "we need to get rid of all religion if we want peace." Well, there is only ultimate end to that kind of thinking. mass murder.

I mean, Atheists already know there is no reasoning with religious people, and that they are the root of all violence in the world. A little bit more blood spilled in human history is a terribly small price to pay for a world of peace without religion.

If we use enough science, the blood on our hands won't even have to be anyone we know...

/There is a reason I decided to become agnostic.
//Has nothing at all to do with what I think about God.
 
2012-11-16 06:07:14 PM

A Shambling Mound: For my own sanity I'm going to pretend that you're not really that stupid.


I'd rather you call me a prophet.

/Not gonna be a martyr though.
 
2012-11-16 06:10:17 PM

Son of Thunder: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Yup. That's about the average intellectual level of the atheists in fark religion threads.


Yet they're still light years ahead of the murderous Luddite mouth-breathing kiddy-diddling deist crowd, who's highest technological achievements to date are the car bomb and the TV ministry.
 
2012-11-16 06:12:06 PM

PunGent: Son of Thunder: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Yup. That's about the average intellectual level of the atheists in fark religion threads.

Yet they're still light years ahead of the murderous Luddite mouth-breathing kiddy-diddling deist crowd, who's highest technological achievements to date are the car bomb and the TV ministry.


As opposed to science, who rings in with the Tsar Bomba, and TV-guided bomb.
 
2012-11-16 06:15:38 PM

Blue_Blazer: Marine1: A Shambling Mound: fluffy2097: ALL HAIL ATHEISM! WORSHIPERS OF SCIENCE! THE TRUE RELIGION OF PEACE!

[whybecausescience.files.wordpress.com image 450x338]

lol. peaceful science. riiiight.

For my own sanity I'm going to pretend that you're not really that stupid.

Science doesn't kill.

On the other hand, quite a few "scientists" have done some pretty obscene shiat in the interests of furthering their fields of study, regardless of whether or not those fields are legitimate. See: eugenics, German medical experiments on concentration camp prisoners, the US government testing drugs on prisoners without informed consent, Thomas Edison proposing electricity as a method of execution, Soviets using psychiatric wards to trump up diagnoses to silence political and religious dissidents, etc.

Anything, and I mean ANYTHING carried out without moderation or concern for others is dangerous. Scientific inquiry, religious worship, governance, you name it.

I don't see how this proves your point that "Science doesn't kill." If anything you disproved it. "Religion" doesn't kill either, but people practicing it sure do, just like science. If you are just arguing semantics then great job, but Religion and Science are both responsible for plenty of death.


That's... sort of what I'm saying. Anything taken to its extreme kills.

Sorry, it's been a long day.
 
2012-11-16 06:16:24 PM
where is the timeout corner?
 
2012-11-16 07:11:12 PM

Quick Fixer: Wait... There are meat-trees in Israel?

Maybe there is something worth fighting over over there...


From the SO:
"Oh ye, truly they art God's own chosen, for though the laws passed down from He who is on most high forbiddeth the consumption of the flesh of the unclean swine, the lord our God hath blessed the children of Israel with the Bacon Forsithia, the Pork Chop Sycamore, and the Shrimp Creole Holly.

Amen."

/I WANNA BACON TREE :D
 
2012-11-16 07:22:56 PM

BolloxReader: Lunaville: The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.

I do wonder why Hamas so rarely denounces Britain? And America? I mean, I know that they do, but by comparison to what they dump on Israel, it seems so subdued. Maybe it's a distance and perspective thing creating what is really, on my part, a misconception. It's hard to judge.

The British totally trolled the Palestinians. They were supposed to be given their independence following WWI, in exchange for the Palestinians rising up against the Ottomans. Instead, their land was given to the Israelis, and many have lived in camps for several generations in various other Muslim countries. They've been screwed for the last hundred years. Now they are being used as meatshields by Assad to keep Israel out of the Syrian civil war.


The Jews and Arabs lived side by side during the British protectorate and up to the founding of Israel. Arabs fled when five Arab countries invaded in 1947, and again when Israel pre-emptively attacked to stop a second multi-Arab-country invasion in 1967. Palestinian Arabs were pushed into refugee camps by Jordan, Syria and Egypt before '67, and didn't come under Israeli occupation until after the Six-Day War.

That said, the West Bank settlements are a really stupid idea and should all be pushed back behind the Green Line so that the Palestinian Arabs can have a state. Just complete the security barrier, pull all Israelis out of the rest of the West Bank and say, there, Palestine, there are your borders. Go to it.
 
2012-11-16 07:39:58 PM

bostonguy: Here's the quick history from what I posted in a prior thread. Note: No side -- the Jews, the Arabs, and the Palestinians are blameless (though some a lot more than others):

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up their claims.

Of course, those pieces of land still had a lot of the aforementioned Arabs and now their descendants. What to do? Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize.


Let them vote as full citizens with 100% of the rights of other citizens of Israel. This situation absolutely stinks of apartheid, the majority of the population are excluded from the political process, but subject to its rule.

A clear minority rules a majority, that is what I could call an oppressive regime.

Now, I know the Israeli population would never voluntarily give up their dictatorial powers, so I don't know what will happen. The leaders Hamas certainly ought to be brought to justice as well, for the human rights violations in their murders of innocent israeli civilians. However, I believe the right wing religeous zealots in Israel are a bit more culpable for the violence than anyone else.
 
2012-11-16 08:20:15 PM

Lunaville: I'm trying to remain rational and make an honest effort to understand the issues involved in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. However, I am beginning to feel that Hamas and Netanyahu are the common enemies of the Palestinian and Israeli people. Each inflicts violence on civilians.


Really? Hamas fires unguided missiles at populated areas. Israel takes out missile sites with precision strikes, but OH NO, the missile site was located on a school playground. GENOCIDE!
 
2012-11-16 09:00:53 PM

MrKoon: The_Fuzz: mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.

This.


I agree as well, with no malice towards any involved party.
 
2012-11-16 09:23:16 PM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Awww....sorry to shiat all over your fairy tales/fables. Do some reading over the weekend about actual history, you might be surprised what you will find.

/have my masters in world history
//looks like you have a masters in hurrrrrrrr and durrrrrrrr


*sigh* Look, genius, I don't care if world religions are real. If Jerusalem gets hit, I mean really hit, then America will invade, the Islamic nations will invade, and Israel will break out the nukes, all in the name of Yaweh.

You might be an atheist, but other people believe in and act on religion whether or not you hate god. And I'm seriously doubting you're an atheist for any other reason given your inane post, because if you actually have a master's in world history you really should know better.
 
2012-11-16 10:39:24 PM

MrKoon: The_Fuzz: mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.

This.


I think his point was that all the motivation in the world won't do you squat if you don't have science to make your weapons.

Science is like any tool at our disposal, it can be used for peaceful purposes or not.

Religion (a system of beliefs used to explain the world) can be used for peaceful purposes or not.

It's up to the people wielding them.
 
2012-11-16 10:51:27 PM

Lunaville: Galloping Galoshes: nmemkha: Well kiss any global economic recovery goodbye if this escalates.

Why? Wars are always good for manufacturing and increasing employment.

That's a myth. Every war throughout history has had a negative effect on the economy. The only apparent exception were the World Wars. There was a boom following them and it is easy to understand might look to that and say "Look, there were two awful wars and, then, our economy leaped ahead." But it isn't true that the leap was due to war. The leap was due to unprecedented government investment in science and research. War takes economies down. Science and research investment increase the health and strength of an economy. And that science and research need not be dedicated to the machines of war. Investment dollars go even further when they are invested in projects that result in nifty new things like the internet, or medicine, or war-preventing green energy sources.


Seems simple enough. And I'd be more than happy to have my tax dollars go towards that!

Pity our government doesn't seem to want to do this though.
 
2012-11-16 11:02:50 PM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw


Yeah, it's not like God gave anyone those rockets.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:03 PM

enigmaxx: Why does this warrant the use of the newsflash tag?

Also: 

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Ironic tag guffaws, busy elsewhere.
 
2012-11-16 11:25:05 PM
Seraphym: SurfaceTension: You know, if only Israel had performed airstrikes this week in Gaza and killed the leader of the military portion of Hamas, maybe this wouldn't have happened.

/oh, wait
//don't worry, Israel, you'll strike back and THAT time, for sure, without a doubt, will work because it has to at SOME point, right?
///how about trying something different for a change?

You know, people always trot out this same exact statement, over and over, and it's farking retarded:

1) Israel has been not striking back after HUNDREDS of rocket attacks prior to what was obviously the proverbial straw on the camel's back - how's that for "different" and "peace-seaking?" Just because the international media essentially ignores posting anything about the ongoing barrage of rockets, cross-border infiltrations and attacks from Gaza anywhere forward of "page 10 in the paper" (in a 1 paragraph blurb) doesn't mean they don't happen.

Do some farking research or pay more attention, and quit posting that little 4-month span of "only a few rockets" chart from 2008 - you know, 4½ YEARS AGO? Read. Through. These. Articles. about the 2500+ ROCKETS AND MORTARS FIRED SINCE THAT FARKING CHART. And that chart spiked because it never hit 0 to begin with.

2) The "You know the Palestinians are going to fire rockets at you some more, Israel, so why don't you try something different?" argument also begs the question that the Palestinians have no other choice but to spend their money and time to build more rockets to fire at civilians, no matter how much their aim sucks. Why do you idiots who claim Israel's the one who has to try new tactics (which they've done, multiple times) treat the Palestinians like they are some dumb animals who only respond to impulse with violence... aren't they people too, who can choose to "try something different?" Why do you useful idiots continually not give the Palestinians the benefit of the doubt that they too can choose to invest in peace instead of war?

Their leaders, Hamas, who they elected, who then proceeded to kill off Fatah (who runs the West Bank) members to gain total power in Gaza, are the worst enemies of any rational, peace-seeking Gazan Palestinian. But you farking morons don't ever assume these people have any free will of their own, except to fight Israel. How about they fight Hamas who turns their lives into total shiat, instead? Why do you never provide THAT as a "try something else" option for the region?

I suspect it's because, for most of you, you'd applaud the day where the only stable, prosperous, technologically-advanced, multi-ethnical and diverse-religion (there are over 1 million Muslim citizens in Israel, 16+% of population, who enjoy full rights under law) democracy in the entire middle east were forced to collapse. Just go ahead and admit it (well, many of you do).

Quit treating the Palestinians like dumb brutes with no options of their own just so you can justify supporting your desire to see Israel gone one day.

/rant

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2012-11-16 11:27:56 PM

puppetmaster745: Lunaville: I'm trying to remain rational and make an honest effort to understand the issues involved in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. However, I am beginning to feel that Hamas and Netanyahu are the common enemies of the Palestinian and Israeli people. Each inflicts violence on civilians.

Really? Hamas fires unguided missiles at populated areas. Israel takes out missile sites with precision strikes, but OH NO, the missile site was located on a school playground. GENOCIDE!


Hamas uses the roof of an apartment building to shoot off some rockets blindly at populated parts of Israel, then pack up and head back to a safe area. The IDF then shoots rockets and hundreds of rounds of bullets at that building from helicopters after the guys from Hamas have left, knowing that there is little to no chance than anyone from Hamas is still there and knowingly kill and wound a bunch of non-combatants including women and children. Both sides are wrong and should be classified as war criminals and anyone who supports either side is either wearing blinders that keep them from seeing the truth, or knowingly support murderers and attempted murderers...
 
2012-11-17 12:21:32 AM

scalpod: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Yeah, it's not like God gave anyone those rockets.


If God cared, he'd have told them to stop being stupid long ago. Of course, it's hard to care about anything when you don't exist.
 
2012-11-17 12:26:24 AM

SpectroBoy: AverageAmericanGuy: That's the difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Christians don't believe that The Law holds any sway over believers. Therefore holy sites are nice tourist attractions, but don't have any intrinsic spiritual value.

Bullshiat. If some group of people was shelling the Vatican I sincerely doubt the Catholics would "turn the other cheeks" and just go live somewhere else.


Well, I said 'Christians', not 'Mary worshipping cultists'.
 
2012-11-17 02:53:43 AM
No evidence, but guessing this is happening because of Syria and not because of the Israeli elections. In the last months the UK and other western powers have been preparing to open up the support funnels for the Syrian opposition -- of course not through Israel but through Turkey, our closest ally that borders Syria other than Israel. Last week the western media announced the formation of some kind of accord among factions of the Syrian opposition on supplies, meaning some entity has taken shape that can receive support through Turkey.

Maybe Assad's gang and whatever allies they have left in the region are getting desperate and wanted to do something to suck all the air out of the Syrian internal conflict, so they engineered intensifying attacks from Gaza to provoke the Israelis into a response.
 
2012-11-17 03:08:42 AM
The UK is taking the lead on backing the Syrian rebels and the BBC has been reporting it.

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