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2012-11-16 02:04:11 PM

Seraphym: SurfaceTension: You know, if only Israel had performed airstrikes this week in Gaza and killed the leader of the military portion of Hamas, maybe this wouldn't have happened.

/oh, wait
//don't worry, Israel, you'll strike back and THAT time, for sure, without a doubt, will work because it has to at SOME point, right?
///how about trying something different for a change?

You know, people always trot out this same exact statement, over and over, and it's farking retarded:

1) Israel has been not striking back after HUNDREDS of rocket attacks prior to what was obviously the proverbial straw on the camel's back - how's that for "different" and "peace-seaking?" Just because the international media essentially ignores posting anything about the ongoing barrage of rockets, cross-border infiltrations and attacks from Gaza anywhere forward of "page 10 in the paper" (in a 1 paragraph blurb) doesn't mean they don't happen.

Do some farking research or pay more attention, and quit posting that little 4-month span of "only a few rockets" chart from 2008 - you know, 4½ YEARS AGO? Read. Through. These. Articles. about the 2500+ ROCKETS AND MORTARS FIRED SINCE THAT FARKING CHART. And that chart spiked because it never hit 0 to begin with.

2) The "You know the Palestinians are going to fire rockets at you some more, Israel, so why don't you try something different?" argument also begs the question that the Palestinians have no other choice but to spend their money and time to build more rockets to fire at civilians, no matter how much their aim sucks. Why do you idiots who claim Israel's the one who has to try new tactics (which they've done, multiple times) treat the Palestinians like they are some dumb animals who only respond to impulse with violence... aren't they people too, who can choose to "try something different?" Why do you useful idiots continually not give the Palestinians the benefit of the doubt that they too can choose to invest in peace instead of war?

Their leaders, Hamas, who they elected, who then proceeded to kill off Fatah (who runs the West Bank) members to gain total power in Gaza, are the worst enemies of any rational, peace-seeking Gazan Palestinian. But you farking morons don't ever assume these people have any free will of their own, except to fight Israel. How about they fight Hamas who turns their lives into total shiat, instead? Why do you never provide THAT as a "try something else" option for the region?

I suspect it's because, for most of you, you'd applaud the day where the only stable, prosperous, technologically-advanced, multi-ethnical and diverse-religion (there are over 1 million Muslim citizens in Israel, 16+% of population, who enjoy full rights under law) democracy in the entire middle east were forced to collapse. Just go ahead and admit it (well, many of you do).

Quit treating the Palestinians like dumb brutes with no options of their own just so you can justify supporting your desire to see Israel gone one day.

/rant


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2012-11-16 02:04:25 PM
I think the IDF just got another Hamas leader (central gaza).....

apparently Hamas Tweeted it's leadership team that since the IDF has now mobilized 75,000 reservists..... the Hamas Alert System was changed from 'hide' to 'run'.

It's too late to run....
 
2012-11-16 02:04:45 PM
Oh god, a rocket, shiat's done got real now. Or is this just the lucky one that made it through half the Gaza strip being carpeted in willy pete several times over now?
 
2012-11-16 02:06:01 PM

kindms: BigNumber12: kindms

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-ch a nce-for-calm.html

How about the dailybeast ?


That was interesting...digging through the rest of his posts now.
 
2012-11-16 02:06:45 PM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw


Science can't even cure cancer or diabetes. Every day something new is found that till today we were told did not exist. You bet your eternal soul on that? Fool.
 
2012-11-16 02:07:50 PM

liam76: MaliFinn: For the same reason that most men want the property but not the people

How does pulling out get them the property?


There was a double meaning in that.

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2012-11-16 02:08:27 PM

give me doughnuts: Cynicism101: liam76: arabs in ISrael is growing faster than the jewish population.

In a way that's worse than a stable population, because Israel has severely limited the amount of water available to Palestinians, as well as farmland.
/look up how many wells ended up on the Israeli side of the wall
//UN has a report on it that I'm too lazy to google.

Darn those Israelis for not building enough pipelines, and not supplying even more water to he Gaza Strip.

Too bad those 3000 greenhouses that American Jewish donor bought from Isarali settlers and gave to the Palestinian Authority got looted ad stripped to the ground. I wonder how much food they could have grown?


Im their defense they were riddles with jew-cooties.
 
2012-11-16 02:13:20 PM

Amos Quito: liam76: Amos Quito: /Gaza is a "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" city

Those all powerful scheming Zionists sure are not doing well at this whole genocide thing you are accusing them of.

Why do you think it was so easy for them to pull off during the Holocaust when Gaza is such a tough nut to crack?


That was straight from the Torah, Old Testament, Liar76.

You don't doubt the "good book", do you, Liar76?


Dont' care what it is from, if you think that is their goal they are pretty shiatty at it. Ever ask yourself why they could pull off the holocaust but this is too tough, or do you not want to poke holes in your psychosis.

The "good book" as a whole is probably one of the worst books of fiction one could base their life on.
 
2012-11-16 02:13:46 PM

bostonguy: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Uh, it's more like one of them is fighting the other two, and often themselves when individual sects disagree.


Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus
 
2012-11-16 02:14:35 PM

MaliFinn: liam76: MaliFinn: For the same reason that most men want the property but not the people

How does pulling out get them the property?

There was a double meaning in that.

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You didn't write int he hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink so I missed it...
 
2012-11-16 02:16:04 PM

Egoy3k: Marine1: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Worked wonders in the Soviet Union, after all.

The Soviet Union had a grasp on science that could at best be described as tenuous.


On the other hand, they had no problem with taking beautiful religious artifacts and shooting them with Mosin-Nagant rifles in the church courtyard.

Point is this: religion, on its own, is generally not a dangerous thing. Add extremism into that mix and you have a toxic mix. Same thing goes with science. We haven't had too many amoral scientists in recent history, but when they do exist, the things that can happen are just as grizzly as in these wars.
 
2012-11-16 02:16:32 PM

Mija: Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus


Trolololololol...
 
2012-11-16 02:18:36 PM

liam76: RanDomino: The terrifying part is that this opinion is probably pretty mainstream in Israel.

What is terrifying is morons like yourself can't take 10 seconds to look up how Israeli's feel, and instead like to comment on what awful opinions Isreali's "probably" have.

Over the years, polls have consistently showed "respectable Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement."[1] In a 2007 poll, over one quarter of the Palestinian respondents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip rejected both a binational and two-state solution; 46% preferred the two-state solution, and 26% preferred the binational solution.[2] The two-state solution also enjoys majority support in Israeli polls although there has been some erosion to its prospects over time.

I am pretty sure Ran has me blocked for calling out his BS, so much obliged if someone can post this info for him.


Quoted for factual accuracy.

Although I'll admit that I personally favor the proposal that I mentioned. But, again, it'll never happen. One similar solution, advocated by the nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel is Our Home) party, is two have a two-state solution with the borders redrawn so that the Palestinian state will include majority-sections of Israel that are Arab, like parts of the north, and that the Jewish state will include the major settlements in the West Bank.
 
2012-11-16 02:20:51 PM

bostonguy: liam76: RanDomino: The terrifying part is that this opinion is probably pretty mainstream in Israel.

What is terrifying is morons like yourself can't take 10 seconds to look up how Israeli's feel, and instead like to comment on what awful opinions Isreali's "probably" have.

Over the years, polls have consistently showed "respectable Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement."[1] In a 2007 poll, over one quarter of the Palestinian respondents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip rejected both a binational and two-state solution; 46% preferred the two-state solution, and 26% preferred the binational solution.[2] The two-state solution also enjoys majority support in Israeli polls although there has been some erosion to its prospects over time.

I am pretty sure Ran has me blocked for calling out his BS, so much obliged if someone can post this info for him.

Quoted for factual accuracy.

Although I'll admit that I personally favor the proposal that I mentioned. But, again, it'll never happen. One similar solution, advocated by the nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel is Our Home) party, is two have a two-state solution with the borders redrawn so that the Palestinian state will include majority-sections of Israel that are Arab, like parts of the north, and that the Jewish state will include the major settlements in the West Bank.


Give the Palestinians a chunk of land equal to the size of the West Bank and Gaza combined in Montana.

I mean, that's a serious trade up.
 
2012-11-16 02:21:28 PM

liam76: MaliFinn: liam76: MaliFinn: For the same reason that most men want the property but not the people

How does pulling out get them the property?

There was a double meaning in that.

[i208.photobucket.com image 240x169]

You didn't write int he hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink so I missed it...


It's just the whole nature of the thing makes me think of Gaza as Israel's mistress. Every once in a while Gaza gets restless and flirts with Israel by tossing things at it, until Israel aggressively penetrates it, and rather than committing too much, pulls out, leaving both parties somewhat unsatisfied.
 
2012-11-16 02:21:29 PM

Mija: bostonguy: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Uh, it's more like one of them is fighting the other two, and often themselves when individual sects disagree.

Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus


So... Tell me how you feel about us Mormons?
 
2012-11-16 02:23:26 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Hamas rockets land just outside Jerusalem. If they hit a holy site, one of three religions is going to be PISSED

I would be most amused if one of these rockets blows the mosques right off the Temple mount.

/Depending on the site, all three might be pissed.


More than three--there's a lot of more obscure Abrahamic faiths that consider Jerusalem to have holy status or buildings holy to their faith, including the Baha'i and the Druze...about the ONLY Abrahamic faith that MIGHT not go full whargarbl about their holy sites being blown up in Jerusalem MIGHT be the Samaritans (yes, they still exist; it was a very early and conservative fork from Judaism in which they didn't approve of the building of the Second Temple, and can be said to have been Diaspora Before Diaspora Was Cool; they're also the one directly Judaism-derived group that still does all the Old Testament rituals including sin offerings)...and that's just because the Samaritans think mainline Judaism jumped the shark sometime after the Babylonian captivity. You'd probably even get the (quite obscure and semi-syncretic-with-OLD-Kurdish-religion) Yezidi into the lynch mob at that point...

Hell, I think Hamas may be very firmly on the bad side of Baha'is worldwide if they go after Haifa (which pretty much is to Baha'is as Mecca is to Islam)...that MIGHT just be enough for what is normally pretty much one of the pacifistic Abrahamic faiths to go nuclear :P

/have semi-personal interest in this as I had a neighbour once upon a time who was Baha'i, also my favourite place locally for hummus and baba ghanoush is run by Iranian expatriates who had to leave the country for the "crime" of following the wrong Abrahamic faith
 
2012-11-16 02:23:30 PM

bostonguy: Although I'll admit that I personally favor the proposal that I mentioned. But, again, it'll never happen. One similar solution, advocated by the nationalist Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel is Our Home) party, is two have a two-state solution with the borders redrawn so that the Palestinian state will include majority-sections of Israel that are Arab, like parts of the north, and that the Jewish state will include the major settlements in the West Bank


Most Isreali Arabs don't want to be part of a Palestenians state. The standard of living and instability just isn't worth it.
 
2012-11-16 02:23:32 PM

RanDomino: give me doughnuts
-are outside their country of nationality or habitual residence;

how the fark does this not apply 

anyway I know you're full of shiat because there are Hmong people living in refugee camps in Thailand who are second-generation residents and are still considered refugees



You'd better tell the UNHCR because the don't mention the Hmong at all.
 
2012-11-16 02:23:43 PM

liam76: RanDomino: The terrifying part is that this opinion is probably pretty mainstream in Israel.

What is terrifying is morons like yourself can't take 10 seconds to look up how Israeli's feel, and instead like to comment on what awful opinions Isreali's "probably" have.

Over the years, polls have consistently showed "respectable Israeli and Palestinian majorities in favor of a negotiated two-state settlement."[1] In a 2007 poll, over one quarter of the Palestinian respondents in the West Bank and Gaza Strip rejected both a binational and two-state solution; 46% preferred the two-state solution, and 26% preferred the binational solution.[2] The two-state solution also enjoys majority support in Israeli polls although there has been some erosion to its prospects over time.

I am pretty sure Ran has me blocked for calling out his BS, so much obliged if someone can post this info for him.


Judging the entirety of Israel by the actions of its current administration is like judging the entirety of the USA by the actions of the Bush Administration.

Some people here must really not like Jews.
 
2012-11-16 02:27:06 PM

ISO15693: So... Tell me how you feel about us Mormons?


Mormons aren't chirstians.

give me doughnuts: RanDomino: give me doughnuts
-are outside their country of nationality or habitual residence;

how the fark does this not apply 

anyway I know you're full of shiat because there are Hmong people living in refugee camps in Thailand who are second-generation residents and are still considered refugees


You'd better tell the UNHCR because the don't mention the Hmong at all.


Ran doesn't need facts.
He knows they are "probably" considered refugees.
Just like he know what Israeli's "probably" think.
Life is much easier when he can float around using what he thinks is "probably" right and look down on anyone else who contradicts him with facts.
 
2012-11-16 02:27:53 PM

that bosnian sniper: Oh god, a rocket, shiat's done got real now. Or is this just the lucky one that made it through half the Gaza strip being carpeted in willy pete several times over now?


You knopw what burns hotter than white phosphorus?


The stupid.
 
2012-11-16 02:28:23 PM

bostonguy: Quoted for factual accuracy.


Well, maybe the Israelis need to get out and farking vote instead of letting the right-wing fundies in their own country dictate the terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, people act almost as if Likud was re-elected in a vacuum. Israeli turnout in the last couple elections has been just about the lowest it's ever been.
 
2012-11-16 02:31:52 PM

give me doughnuts: You knopw what burns hotter than white phosphorus?

The stupid.


Say what?
 
2012-11-16 02:33:45 PM

RanDomino:

Seraphym
Do some farking research or pay more attention, and quit posting that little 4-month span of "only a few rockets" chart from 2008 - you know, 4½ YEARS AGO? Read. Through. These. Articles. about the 2500+ ROCKETS AND MORTARS FIRED SINCE THAT FARKING CHART. And that chart spiked because it never hit 0 to begin with.

The point is that Hamas and Israel made the cease-fire on the condition that Israel ease the blockade, which didn't happen. Hamas held up their end and Israel didn't.

2) The "You know the Palestinians are going to fire rockets at you some more, Israel, so why don't you try something different?" argument also begs the question that the Palestinians have no other choice but to spend their money and time to build more rockets to fire at civilians,

Israel has the overwhelming monopoly of force and effective total control. There is nothing the Palestinians can do that can seriously affect Israel.


Sigh, it's not about affecting Israel, get your head out of "countering Israel" (based on my saved history of you on Fark, I know that's hard to do, but at least try), it's about improving their own lives and getting their own shiat together into a peaceful society and letting the world take notice. This would bring an absolute flood of positive attention to their side.

Also, Israel has overwhelming monopoly of force within Gaza, on a daily basis? What are you talking about? Aid shipments through the border with Egypt occur all the time, and would be even more frequent if Hamas and Gazan militants would just stop trying to kill Israelis for even 6 months. Hamas and their supporters in Gaza spend their efforts trying to sneak in rockets & bombs or make tunnels and cross-border incursions though. How much could they accomplish if they focused on taking care of their society and making it an example to follow instead?

Their leaders, Hamas, who they elected, who then proceeded to kill off Fatah (who runs the West Bank) members to gain total power in Gaza,

after winning the election, which Fatah refused to recognize


Mentioning that as a fact justifying internecine murders shows that, again, you don't provide them any other default options in your own internal dialogue. Thanks for supporting my argument.

How about they fight Hamas who turns their lives into total shiat, instead?
...
Quit treating the Palestinians like dumb brutes with no options of their own

and yet it's the Israel-apologists who are always saying Israel is "forced" to do airstrikes and the blockade.


Perhaps some do, but I wasn't addressing Israel's options. However, stopping one's own civilians from being indescriminately killed by rocket fire from a neighbor is not a crime, it's called self defense. People keep trying to get this through your (and others') head, but it's like you have some ideological block to it (can't imagine why).

Galloping Galoshes: Seraphym: Quit treating the Palestinians like dumb brutes with no options of their own just so you can justify supporting your desire to see Israel gone one day.

Wow. I just subscribe it to ignorance,willful or otherwise, not deliberate antisemitism.


Not trying to start an argument, but I didn't ascribe it to antisemitism; I said Israel gone, not the Jews gone. I get that for many they are the same thing though, and I suspect the impulse that drives a lot of the anti-Israel position is subconscious and not fully internalized. I personally don't give a flying fark what religion the people in Israel are, they have a right to stop those trying to kill them for just existing.
 
2012-11-16 02:35:59 PM

liam76: ISO15693: So... Tell me how you feel about us Mormons?

Mormons aren't chirstians.


Good thing, too. We'd have to change the name of our church, to the Cuhrch of Jsues Chirst of Lttaer-day Snaits.
 
2012-11-16 02:36:49 PM

that bosnian sniper: bostonguy: Quoted for factual accuracy.

Well, maybe the Israelis need to get out and farking vote instead of letting the right-wing fundies in their own country dictate the terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, people act almost as if Likud was re-elected in a vacuum. Israeli turnout in the last couple elections has been just about the lowest it's ever been.


Israel's voting rate in the last election was 65%. It helps that Election Day is a national holiday here.

The issue, in part, is that Israel has a proportional-representation system so that no party can gain a clear majority. In the last election, Kadima (the centrist party) got the most votes but nowhere near a majority, and the right-wing parties (from center-right to far-right) in sum got the greatest collective number of votes so they were the only ones who could gain a majority together and form a government.

And the center-right party, Likud, is in a coalition that must cater to the far-right minority parties in order to keep its coalition and government. If Likud wants to do X, and a minor party with only five seats says no, that party has an effective veto.

The electoral system, and not any particular policy, is often to blame when nothing of consequence happens.
 
2012-11-16 02:38:14 PM

bostonguy: that bosnian sniper: bostonguy: Quoted for factual accuracy.

Well, maybe the Israelis need to get out and farking vote instead of letting the right-wing fundies in their own country dictate the terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, people act almost as if Likud was re-elected in a vacuum. Israeli turnout in the last couple elections has been just about the lowest it's ever been.

Israel's voting rate in the last election was 65%. It helps that Election Day is a national holiday here.

The issue, in part, is that Israel has a proportional-representation system so that no party can gain a clear majority. In the last election, Kadima (the centrist party) got the most votes but nowhere near a majority, and the right-wing parties (from center-right to far-right) in sum got the greatest collective number of votes so they were the only ones who could gain a majority together and form a government.

And the center-right party, Likud, is in a coalition that must cater to the far-right minority parties in order to keep its coalition and government. If Likud wants to do X, and a minor party with only five seats says no, that party has an effective veto.

The electoral system, and not any particular policy, is often to blame when nothing of consequence happens.


A related reason is that Israel, as described, has become a solid, center-right country as a result of the Gaza Disengagement, which as recent events show, was an utter mistake.
 
2012-11-16 02:38:20 PM

FitzShivering: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

I bet you'd get pretty upset if they launched a missile at the Large Hadron Collider, though. :D


101st Lab Coat Brigade would destroy any living soul associated with such an act.
 
2012-11-16 02:40:12 PM

Seraphym: SurfaceTension: You know, if only Israel had performed airstrikes this week in Gaza and killed the leader of the military portion of Hamas, maybe this wouldn't have happened.

/oh, wait
//don't worry, Israel, you'll strike back and THAT time, for sure, without a doubt, will work because it has to at SOME point, right?
///how about trying something different for a change?

You know, people always trot out this same exact statement, over and over, and it's farking retarded:

1) Israel has been not striking back after HUNDREDS of rocket attacks prior to what was obviously the proverbial straw on the camel's back - how's that for "different" and "peace-seaking?" Just because the international media essentially ignores posting anything about the ongoing barrage of rockets, cross-border infiltrations and attacks from Gaza anywhere forward of "page 10 in the paper" (in a 1 paragraph blurb) doesn't mean they don't happen.

Do some farking research or pay more attention, and quit posting that little 4-month span of "only a few rockets" chart from 2008 - you know, 4½ YEARS AGO? Read. Through. These. Articles. about the 2500+ ROCKETS AND MORTARS FIRED SINCE THAT FARKING CHART. And that chart spiked because it never hit 0 to begin with.

2) The "You know the Palestinians are going to fire rockets at you some more, Israel, so why don't you try something different?" argument also begs the question that the Palestinians have no other choice but to spend their money and time to build more rockets to fire at civilians, no matter how much their aim sucks. Why do you idiots who claim Israel's the one who has to try new tactics (which they've done, multiple times) treat the Palestinians like they are some dumb animals who only respond to impulse with violence... aren't they people too, who can choose to "try something different?" Why do you useful idiots continually not give the Palestinians the benefit of the doubt that they too can choose to invest in peace instead of war?

Their ...


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Pretty much this.
 
2012-11-16 02:40:21 PM

Epicedion: Mija: Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

Trolololololol...


Just put him on ignore and move on.
 
2012-11-16 02:43:43 PM
law2.umkc.edu

You cannot trust The Juice
 
2012-11-16 02:44:17 PM

Seraphym: they have a right to stop those trying to kill them for just existing.


How dare you! What an ill-conceived philosophy! I don't know how you can live with yourself, thinking such nonsense.
 
2012-11-16 02:45:53 PM

Lunaville: Epicedion: Mija: Muslims worship a false God. Jews are not saved because they do not accept Jesus as their savior. There is only ONE way to salvation. That is through Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

Trolololololol...

Just put him on ignore and move on.

But first, "Thanks for playing. Enjoy your lovely parting gifts."
 
2012-11-16 02:46:40 PM

that bosnian sniper: bostonguy: Quoted for factual accuracy.

Well, maybe the Israelis need to get out and farking vote instead of letting the right-wing fundies in their own country dictate the terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, people act almost as if Likud was re-elected in a vacuum. Israeli turnout in the last couple elections has been just about the lowest it's ever been.


I hope I don't exhibit my vast ignorance here, but as I understand it Israeli politics are complicated by the fact that Israel allows duel citizenship. So, a person may be both American and Israeli with full voting rights in each country. This allows people, who do not normally reside in Israel to fly over, skew the outcome of the election, then fly home again exempt from the consequences of their vote. I assume any inaccuracies in my description will be corrected by someone on the thread who is actually Jewish and/or Israeli.
 
2012-11-16 02:48:08 PM

that bosnian sniper: give me doughnuts: You knopw what burns hotter than white phosphorus?

The stupid.

Say what?


Read that carefully and point out where it says anything about carpeting the place "several times over" with WP. It mentioned "dozens of casualties" from it, but not the several hunfred thousand that you would expect if the IDF carpet-bombed the entire Gaza Strip "several times over."

But don't let reality get in the way of a good herp.
 
2012-11-16 02:48:38 PM

Lunaville: that bosnian sniper: bostonguy: Quoted for factual accuracy.

Well, maybe the Israelis need to get out and farking vote instead of letting the right-wing fundies in their own country dictate the terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, people act almost as if Likud was re-elected in a vacuum. Israeli turnout in the last couple elections has been just about the lowest it's ever been.

I hope I don't exhibit my vast ignorance here, but as I understand it Israeli politics are complicated by the fact that Israel allows duel citizenship. So, a person may be both American and Israeli with full voting rights in each country. This allows people, who do not normally reside in Israel to fly over, skew the outcome of the election, then fly home again exempt from the consequences of their vote. I assume any inaccuracies in my description will be corrected by someone on the thread who is actually Jewish and/or Israeli.


You're accurate. I'm a dual citizen and can vote in the United States and Israel. But for Israel, there are no absentee ballots. You need to be here to vote. And I doubt many people will spend $1,500 or more to fly here, vote, and go back. I've never heard of that at all, let alone en masse.
 
2012-11-16 02:57:21 PM

nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.


Except the Christians and the Jews aren't the ones doing the fighting.

/religion of peice
 
2012-11-16 02:59:42 PM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw


ohwaityou'reserious.jpeg

/You're right in the same sense that telling someone on bath salts they have no right to eat your face off is right.
//So yeah, good luck with that.
///And happy f**kin' Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-16 03:02:39 PM

Danger Mouse: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Except the Christians and the Jews aren't the ones doing the fighting.

/religion of peice


Judaism is a religion of piece. They want a this piece of Gaza, that piece of the West Bank.
 
2012-11-16 03:05:20 PM

gerrymander: The_Fuzz: mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.

Between the Eugenics movement, the Soviet Gulag system, and the Maoist Great Leap Forward, 'people with knowledge and science' managed to rack up a murder count around 75 million or so in the 20th century.

Fanaticism is a human problem, not a religious problem.


There is no way, in the world, I just read what you wrote. None of what you just referenced have anything to do with science and knowledge. Eugenics is the study of planned evolution and change of the Human species; nowhere in proper, academically recognized Eugenics does it seriously entertain the thought of doing harm to currently living Human beings. The Soviet gulag system, more generally the Soviets themselves, can not in any way be equated to scientific understanding. They were thugs and brutal autocracies, that's all there is to it. Same for Mao, he was just a turd under the guise of communism, and using that a a convenient excuse and cover to extort his fellow countrymen, because stealing from them was easier when you called it 'sharing' and 'communism' rather than just stealing it with no excuse.

The dictators of the 20th century, the worst ones including Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc are in no way, shape, or form associated with 'science'.
 
2012-11-16 03:18:26 PM
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ACTION FIGURE!! 
 
2012-11-16 03:18:58 PM
And the Germans killed the Jews
And the Jews killed the Arabs
And the Arabs killed the hostages
And that is the news
And is it any wonder
That the monkey's confused
He said Mama Mama
The President's a fool
Why do I have to keep reading
These technical manuals
And the joint chiefs of staff
And the brokers on Wall Street said
Don't make us laugh
You're a smart kid
Time is linear
Memory is a stranger
History is for fools
Man is a tool in the hands
Of the great God Almighty
And they gave him command
Of a nuclear submarine
And sent him back in search of
The Garden of Eden
 
2012-11-16 03:20:52 PM

bostonguy: American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment


When the rocket exploded from your apartment....did it take out the wall, or just go through the window? And why are you lauching rockets in your apartment?
 
2012-11-16 03:22:03 PM

Lunaville: that bosnian sniper: bostonguy: Quoted for factual accuracy.

Well, maybe the Israelis need to get out and farking vote instead of letting the right-wing fundies in their own country dictate the terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, people act almost as if Likud was re-elected in a vacuum. Israeli turnout in the last couple elections has been just about the lowest it's ever been.

I hope I don't exhibit my vast ignorance here, but as I understand it Israeli politics are complicated by the fact that Israel allows duel citizenship. So, a person may be both American and Israeli with full voting rights in each country. This allows people, who do not normally reside in Israel to fly over, skew the outcome of the election, then fly home again exempt from the consequences of their vote. I assume any inaccuracies in my description will be corrected by someone on the thread who is actually Jewish and/or Israeli.


Except nobody does that. And, for the post you were commenting on, Israelis get out and vote. They're very political.
 
2012-11-16 03:25:02 PM

MythDragon: bostonguy: American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment

When the rocket exploded from your apartment....did it take out the wall, or just go through the window? And why are you lauching rockets in your apartment?


Probably because he's in college. We all did it back then.
 
2012-11-16 03:26:53 PM

nmemkha: Danger Mouse: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

Except the Christians and the Jews aren't the ones doing the fighting.

/religion of peice

Judaism is a religion of piece. They want a this piece of Gaza, that piece of the West Bank.


Nobody wants Gaza. And Israel already has the West Bank. And the Golan, thanks.
 
2012-11-16 03:28:17 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Seraphym: they have a right to stop those trying to kill them for just existing.

How dare you! What an ill-conceived philosophy! I don't know how you can live with yourself, thinking such nonsense.


I know, I know, it's an antiquated notion I got from this one somewhat humorous captain.

i.qkme.me
 
2012-11-16 03:33:01 PM

Amos Quito: RULES OF ENGAGEMENT :

10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.

15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

16 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the Lord thy God hath commanded thee:

18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the Lord your God.

19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:

20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

Deuteronomy 20


Just a bit of context to help understand the mindset.


/Gaza is a "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" cit ...


Wait... There are meat-trees in Israel?

Maybe there is something worth fighting over over there...
 
2012-11-16 03:35:48 PM

give me doughnuts:
You knopw what burns hotter than white phosphorus?


My cock when I pee?
 
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