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2012-11-16 12:37:23 PM

moops: Israel should now invade Gaza, and not leave until they've liquidated every single Hamas member.


You can't liquidate the dream of a Palestinian state unless you liquidate all the Palestinians. Hopefully you are not advocating genocide.
 
2012-11-16 12:37:35 PM

ChipNASA: Control + F "TATSUMA
(phrase not found)
/I miss old Super Jew.


They're only around when the Mossad let the collective known as Tatsuma loose. They'll be along soon enough. Or they've been blown up. Either way, shiat happens.
 
2012-11-16 12:38:01 PM

Spaced Cowboy: ChipNASA: TATS

The whiny little douche finally put the last active Farker on his hilariously oversized ignore list. When he next logged in and saw zero comments, he thought the place shut down and moved on.

That's my theory anyways.


Good riddance! Hope the door hit him on the way out, etc etc.
 
2012-11-16 12:38:20 PM

Spaced Cowboy: ChipNASA: TATS

The whiny little douche finally put the last active Farker on his hilariously oversized ignore list. When he next logged in and saw zero comments, he thought the place shut down and moved on.

That's my theory anyways.


The funny thing someone else said the other day was

"Oh, TATSUMA?!?!! I hacked his calendar and set it so every day was Saturday"

/I forget who said that but I LARFED!!!!
 
2012-11-16 12:38:46 PM
bostonguy
I don't flee when my home is being attacked.

// American Israeli


America is under attack??
 
2012-11-16 12:38:52 PM
First off, I hope Farker bostonguy stays safe and everything.

OK.

Now... I'd like to remind everyone else that it is not absolutely necessary for you to have a passionate, strongly held opinion on the Israel/Palestine conflict. In fact, it is your right to not give a fark, one way or the other.

Something to consider.
 
2012-11-16 12:39:28 PM
www.bangitout.com
 
2012-11-16 12:39:33 PM
Please, let's end the bullshiat now. HIT ALL OF THEM
 
2012-11-16 12:39:42 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

But Abram came from Sumer and was a polytheist. Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsus. Why do people have to change teams??? What was so wrong with Marduk?


He was from Ur, specifically, which was the seat of worship for Sin, the moon god, not Marduk. That was Babylon.
 
2012-11-16 12:40:53 PM

BolloxReader: Lunaville: The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.

I do wonder why Hamas so rarely denounces Britain? And America? I mean, I know that they do, but by comparison to what they dump on Israel, it seems so subdued. Maybe it's a distance and perspective thing creating what is really, on my part, a misconception. It's hard to judge.

The British totally trolled the Palestinians. They were supposed to be given their independence following WWI, in exchange for the Palestinians rising up against the Ottomans. Instead, their land was given to the Israelis, and many have lived in camps for several generations in various other Muslim countries. They've been screwed for the last hundred years. Now they are being used as meatshields by Assad to keep Israel out of the Syrian civil war.


The English left because terrorists like Menachem Begin, head of the Irgun, blew up the Kind David Hotel, assassinated the UN Middle East envoy and threatened a terror campaign in the UK.

The Irgun was denounced by individuals like Albert Einstein and numerous Jewish organizations. To punish Begin, he was elected prime minister of Israel. Netanyahu's party is a direct descendant of the Irgun.
 
2012-11-16 12:41:56 PM
I predict this happening:

North Korea, feeling neglected, will do something stupid to South Korea since Israel is taking the spot light. Followed by something retarded in the South Pacific no one saw coming, which escalates into more violence in the Gaza Strip. Followed by inane propaganda from Russia that makes the US go all wtfbbq. This makes Europe all pissy because they're dealing with a crisis of the economic flavor of the month. Culminating in Iran giving the trollface to everyone that is an ally to their enemy.

Probably not in that order, but very likely.
 
2012-11-16 12:42:53 PM

kindms: This is BS.

Bibi f-ing assassinated the head of Hamas Security forces just the other day. That guy was working with others to get a ceasefire done. Bibi's extra judicial assassination is what touched off the latest round of fighting.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/how-israel-shattered - gaza-truce-leading-escalating-death-and-tragedy-timeline



Electronic Intifada, huh? Sounds objective to me.

The revisionist history has already begun on this one. NOTHING WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THAT AIRSTRIKE!!! Ahmed Jabari was handing out Unicorn foals to orphans when he was targeted!
 
2012-11-16 12:43:58 PM
Are we at this step again? Someone wake me after Israel drives some tanks through playgrounds, but before the random suicide bombings start.
 
2012-11-16 12:44:10 PM

Malivon: I predict this happening:

North Korea, feeling neglected, will INVADE THE UNITED STATES and we will all be saved by blue eyed white teenagers with hunting rifles!


/FTFY
/sounds like the plot to a very bad movie to me.
 
2012-11-16 12:44:41 PM

Bungles: Galloping Galoshes: KellyX: Israel should just put the Palestinians into special camps, let them concentrate them all in one location...

That's what seems to be the prevailing desire from what I can gather...

You don't gather much. The Israeli position is "don't shoot at us, and we won't shoot back. If you do shoot at us, don't be surprised what happens then."

You seem to have missed out the rather critical "Don't you dare react as we steal your land, bulldoze your homes, perform a string of extra-judicial executions, kill your civilians, and destroy any chance of you operating a functional economy" first part of Israel's position.


While all of what you say is absolutely true, launching rockets pell-mell into Israel is not akin to marching to the sea to make salt. I can not imagine a worse possible way to deal with Israeli perpetuated injustices than resorting to violence.
 
2012-11-16 12:44:58 PM
 
2012-11-16 12:45:38 PM
Half of Jerusalem is Palestinian. Their crude, unguided, untargeted rockets are just as likely to kill Arabs as they are Jews.
 
2012-11-16 12:46:34 PM
okay I'm sorry to play this card but I was really just curious :P

Looked up Mitt Romney's Israel position, I remember his wonderful trip there and all. His website's been taken down but I got the cached copy.


http://www.mittromney.com/issues/israel (google cache)

Israel

Obama's Failure

President Obama and his administration have badly misunderstood the dynamics of the region. Instead of fostering stability and security, they have diminished U.S. authority and painted both Israel and ourselves into a corner. President Obama for too long has been in the grip of several illusions. One is that the Israeli-Palestinian dispute is the central problem in the region. This has been disproved repeatedly by events, most recently and most dramatically by the eruption of the Arab Spring. But it nonetheless led the President to explicitly state that his policy is to create "daylight" between the United States and Israel, believing that this would earn us credits in the Arab world and somehow bring peace closer. The record proves otherwise. The key to negotiating a lasting peace is an Israel that knows it will be secure.

The administration's errors extend in other directions as well. President Obama has repeatedly and unilaterally created new preconditions for restarting peace talks. The result has been to encourage Palestinians simply to hold out and wait for Washington to deliver more Israeli concessions on a silver platter. Why, after all, should the Palestinians even negotiate with Israel if the White House is pressuring Israel without extracting any price from the Palestinians in return?


D'oh ;)
 
2012-11-16 12:46:43 PM

Lunaville: While all of what you say is absolutely true, launching rockets pell-mell into Israel is not akin to marching to the sea to make salt. I can not imagine a worse possible way to deal with Israeli perpetuated injustices than resorting to violence.


To be rather blunt, it's all they have to work with. They don't have any negotiating power and can't affect anything economically, but they have guns and rockets.
 
2012-11-16 12:47:30 PM

vernonFL: Half of Jerusalem is Palestinian. Their crude, unguided, untargeted rockets are just as likely to kill Arabs as they are Jews.


This was my first thought, but Hamas doesn't care. If they did, they wouldn't site launchers near schools and hospitals. They're happy if they create more martyrs.
 
2012-11-16 12:47:35 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: shastacola: The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

Maybe they believe it because it's pretty much the history of every country ever.

Really? Every country ever has had land handed to them by the foreign powers propping them up? I think you need to rethink your history lessons...

Every border line in the Middle East was drawn by foriegn powers.
 
2012-11-16 12:47:55 PM

Spaced Cowboy: ChipNASA: TATS

The whiny little douche finally put the last active Farker on his hilariously oversized ignore list. When he next logged in and saw zero comments, he thought the place shut down and moved on.

That's my theory anyways.


One can only hope.
 
2012-11-16 12:48:41 PM

shastacola: Every border line in the Middle East was drawn by foriegn powers.


Parts of Africa are the same way, and they manage to live in peaceful harmony and.. oh..
 
2012-11-16 12:48:47 PM

RanDomino: bostonguy
I don't flee when my home is being attacked.

// American Israeli

America is under attack??


Created my account when I was living in Beantown.
 
2012-11-16 12:48:53 PM

Bungles: HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.

"Never Forget" wasn't supposed to mean "so you can later apply those tactics yourself", Israel.


What tactics are those?

Or are you one of those morons who thinks that the boom in arab population there is "genocide"?
That thinks the improvement in literacy, life expectancy, and infant mortality are on par with Nazi "Ghettos"?
That sees no difference in strking back at people who launch rockets at your civilians and rounding peopel up solely based on religion for execution?
 
2012-11-16 12:49:07 PM
give me doughnuts
Gaza Strip population has tripled since 1995.

80% of the population is refugees.


bostonguy
Of course, those pieces of land still had a lot of the aforementioned Arabs and now their descendants. What to do? Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize.

Either incorporate them as full citizens or let them have a viable state. Either of which can only be done unilaterally by Israel.


BolloxReader
The British totally trolled the Palestinians. They were supposed to be given their independence following WWI, in exchange for the Palestinians rising up against the Ottomans. Instead, their land was given to the Israelis

One of those many wonderful intractable internecine conflicts the British Empire left behind to ensure the locals would be too busy killing each other to come and get revenge- like Northern Ireland, India-Pakistan, half of Africa, arguably the American North vs South although US vs Canada may have been intended...
 
2012-11-16 12:49:16 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: That's the difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Christians don't believe that The Law holds any sway over believers. Therefore holy sites are nice tourist attractions, but don't have any intrinsic spiritual value.



Sadly, that's not true for Christians inside Jerusalem. That conflict, however, is usually sorted out with brooms and fists.

Monks gone wild at Jesus' birth site
 
2012-11-16 12:49:54 PM

almandot: The administration's errors extend in other directions as well. President Obama has repeatedly and unilaterally created new preconditions for restarting peace talks. The result has been to encourage Palestinians simply to hold out and wait for Washington to deliver more Israeli concessions on a silver platter. Why, after all, should the Palestinians even negotiate with Israel if the White House is pressuring Israel without extracting any price from the Palestinians in return?


To be fair, the Obama administration is not the only one to do this. This behavior is likely due to the advice they're getting from the career staff at State.
 
2012-11-16 12:50:19 PM

muck4doo: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

But Abram came from Sumer and was a polytheist. Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsus. Why do people have to change teams??? What was so wrong with Marduk?

He was from Ur, specifically, which was the seat of worship for Sin, the moon god, not Marduk. That was Babylon.


I gotta see his birth certificate first. Otherwise, I'm betting on Kenya.
 
2012-11-16 12:50:36 PM

shastacola: Every border line in the Middle East was drawn by foriegn powers.


Add approved by UN vote.
 
2012-11-16 12:50:53 PM

Hack Patooey: Things Israeli heating up over there.

/from other thread


Oy veh.

bostonguy: /subby
// American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment
/// Isn't that ironic
//// No, not really, Alanis

Sorry. Fark keeps me company right now. :)


I can only imagine how nuts Ben Gurion Airport is getting right now.
 
2012-11-16 12:50:59 PM
Nothing say "holy land" like a bunch of farking idiots murdering each other over who gets to be THE Religion of Peace and Love.
 
2012-11-16 12:51:12 PM

BigNumber12: AverageAmericanGuy: That's the difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Christians don't believe that The Law holds any sway over believers. Therefore holy sites are nice tourist attractions, but don't have any intrinsic spiritual value.


Sadly, that's not true for Christians inside Jerusalem. That conflict, however, is usually sorted out with brooms and fists.

Monks gone wild at Jesus' birth site


www.nypost.com

"I'm gonna beat you like a temple money changer!"
 
2012-11-16 12:52:06 PM

solitary: This land is mine, God gave this land to me!


That was worth the watch......


/just in case other Farkers roll by that link
 
2012-11-16 12:52:44 PM
Just to give people an objective feeling of what it feels like to be a random person in Israel. (And I've love to hear such similar, objective thoughts from anyone in Gaza.)

You hear a siren. You go to your safe room, the stairwell of your building, a local bomb shelter, or you lie on the ground against a south-facing wall and cover your head. You wait. A few minutes later, you hear a "boom." It will be loud or faint depending on how far away the impact was and whether it was a hit or an Iron Dome interception. You wait a few more minutes to be sure, and then you return to going about your daily life. Rinse and repeat.

If you live in the outskirts of the rocket range (at the moment), like in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, this happens, say, once per day. If you live in Sderot or elsewhere close to Gaza, it happens every hour or every few hours.
 
2012-11-16 12:53:38 PM
My personal opinion is that we blow up every religious site in Jerusalem. Then the idiots won't have a religious excuse for their violence. It'll just be what it really is: financial, political, social, racial conflict.
 
2012-11-16 12:53:40 PM

Epicedion: Lunaville: While all of what you say is absolutely true, launching rockets pell-mell into Israel is not akin to marching to the sea to make salt. I can not imagine a worse possible way to deal with Israeli perpetuated injustices than resorting to violence.

To be rather blunt, it's all they have to work with. They don't have any negotiating power and can't affect anything economically, but they have guns and rockets.


Given the existence of organizations like Jews for Justice for Palestinians (Link), I think that view demonstrates a lack of imagination.
 
2012-11-16 12:53:50 PM

bostonguy: Just to give people an objective feeling of what it feels like to be a random person in Israel. (And I've love to hear such similar, objective thoughts from anyone in Gaza.)

You hear a siren. You go to your safe room, the stairwell of your building, a local bomb shelter, or you lie on the ground against a south-facing wall and cover your head. You wait. A few minutes later, you hear a "boom." It will be loud or faint depending on how far away the impact was and whether it was a hit or an Iron Dome interception. You wait a few more minutes to be sure, and then you return to going about your daily life. Rinse and repeat.

If you live in the outskirts of the rocket range (at the moment), like in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, this happens, say, once per day. If you live in Sderot or elsewhere close to Gaza, it happens every hour or every few hours.


I bet its a lot like that in Gaza except their is no safe room or siren.
 
2012-11-16 12:54:17 PM

almandot: okay I'm sorry to play this card but I was really just curious :P

Looked up Mitt Romney's Israel position, I remember his wonderful trip there and all. His website's been taken down but I got the cached copy.


http://www.mittromney.com/issues/israel (google cache)

Israel

Obama's Failure

President Obama and his administration have badly misunderstood the dynamics of the region. Instead of fostering stability and security, they have diminished U.S. authority and painted both Israel and ourselves into a corner. President Obama for too long has been in the grip of several illusions. One is that the Israeli-Palestinian dispute is the central problem in the region. This has been disproved repeatedly by events, most recently and most dramatically by the eruption of the Arab Spring. But it nonetheless led the President to explicitly state that his policy is to create "daylight" between the United States and Israel, believing that this would earn us credits in the Arab world and somehow bring peace closer. The record proves otherwise. The key to negotiating a lasting peace is an Israel that knows it will be secure.

The administration's errors extend in other directions as well. President Obama has repeatedly and unilaterally created new preconditions for restarting peace talks. The result has been to encourage Palestinians simply to hold out and wait for Washington to deliver more Israeli concessions on a silver platter. Why, after all, should the Palestinians even negotiate with Israel if the White House is pressuring Israel without extracting any price from the Palestinians in return?

D'oh ;)


I am incredibly thankful now that Romney didn't win.

Romney would be doing his best to persuade Bibi into a ground invasion of Gaza.

Obama is doing his best to avoid that.
 
2012-11-16 12:54:50 PM

KellyX: Israel should just put the Palestinians into special camps, let them concentrate them all in one location...

That's what seems to be the prevailing desire from what I can gather...



Wow. At least Amos Quito has a brain, and is well-read on the subject.
 
2012-11-16 12:54:53 PM

Lunaville: Bungles: Galloping Galoshes: KellyX: Israel should just put the Palestinians into special camps, let them concentrate them all in one location...

That's what seems to be the prevailing desire from what I can gather...

You don't gather much. The Israeli position is "don't shoot at us, and we won't shoot back. If you do shoot at us, don't be surprised what happens then."

You seem to have missed out the rather critical "Don't you dare react as we steal your land, bulldoze your homes, perform a string of extra-judicial executions, kill your civilians, and destroy any chance of you operating a functional economy" first part of Israel's position.

While all of what you say is absolutely true, launching rockets pell-mell into Israel is not akin to marching to the sea to make salt. I can not imagine a worse possible way to deal with Israeli perpetuated injustices than resorting to violence.


I'm certainly not saying it's a sensible or moral reaction (it obviously isn't), it's a totally understandable and predictable reaction.

Any one of us here, if we we're born in Gaza, would only be one Israeli rocket killing our family away from strapping on an explosive vest.

There but for the Grace of God.
 
2012-11-16 12:55:04 PM

themindiswatching: Some of the rockets that have been used so far are Iranian made. Think Israel's going to use that as their excuse to bomb Iran?


that is exactly what I think.
 
2012-11-16 12:55:06 PM

Epicedion: shastacola: Every border line in the Middle East was drawn by foriegn powers.

Parts of Africa are the same way, and they manage to live in peaceful harmony and.. oh..


I can't believe you managed to type that far without spraying your monitor with whatever you're drinking.

/pass me that bottle.
 
2012-11-16 12:55:40 PM

nmemkha: bostonguy: Just to give people an objective feeling of what it feels like to be a random person in Israel. (And I've love to hear such similar, objective thoughts from anyone in Gaza.)

You hear a siren. You go to your safe room, the stairwell of your building, a local bomb shelter, or you lie on the ground against a south-facing wall and cover your head. You wait. A few minutes later, you hear a "boom." It will be loud or faint depending on how far away the impact was and whether it was a hit or an Iron Dome interception. You wait a few more minutes to be sure, and then you return to going about your daily life. Rinse and repeat.

If you live in the outskirts of the rocket range (at the moment), like in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, this happens, say, once per day. If you live in Sderot or elsewhere close to Gaza, it happens every hour or every few hours.

I bet its a lot like that in Gaza except their is no safe room or siren.


That and Gaza doesn't have a missle defense system.

That being said, no one deserves to go through this and it doesn't help that both Israel and Gaza have dickbags for leaders.
 
2012-11-16 12:55:40 PM

MorrisBird: I sympathize with the Arab cause. I feel for the put-upon Jews. And I keep singing the middle class liberal, humanitarian, we are all responsible, well-intentioned blues.


Neither side will be satisfied until the other is gone. There are plenty of places where people need help more, like about half of Africa for starters.
 
2012-11-16 12:56:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: Hack Patooey: Things Israeli heating up over there.

/from other thread

Oy veh.

bostonguy: /subby
// American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment
/// Isn't that ironic
//// No, not really, Alanis

Sorry. Fark keeps me company right now. :)

I can only imagine how nuts Ben Gurion Airport is getting right now.


Probably not that busy, although I don't know because news organizations would likely censor themselves from reporting such facts in the middle of a war so as not to embolden the enemy. Also, Israelis are tough and such toughness is self-enforced -- they would criticize people for fleeing. I've had friends criticize me for just going from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. You want to go about your daily lives without changing anything as a result of terrorism.

Second, I can only imagine the price-gouging that would occur if Israelis were flying away. Knowing the salaries here, I doubt anyone could afford it. And we Jews are cheap. :)
 
2012-11-16 12:57:16 PM

Mrtraveler01: That being said, no one deserves to go through this and it doesn't help that both Israel and Gaza have dickbags for leaders.


On this point, I wholeheartedly agree. "Why we can't have nice things ..." and all that.
 
2012-11-16 12:57:16 PM

Lunaville: Given the existence of organizations like Jews for Justice for Palestinians (Link), I think that view demonstrates a lack of imagination.


The ASPCA lobbies for animal rights, but that doesn't mean that the animals themselves have any power to push for them.
 
2012-11-16 12:57:18 PM

BigNumber12: AverageAmericanGuy: That's the difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Christians don't believe that The Law holds any sway over believers. Therefore holy sites are nice tourist attractions, but don't have any intrinsic spiritual value.


Sadly, that's not true for Christians inside Jerusalem. That conflict, however, is usually sorted out with brooms and fists.

Monks gone wild at Jesus' birth site


Oh, that's nice. I'm sure had Peter had a broom in hand rather than a sword when the soldiers came to arrest him, Jesus would have shouted "Yeah, kick his a$$ Peter! Come on, swing that broom: upper cut, upper cut!"
 
2012-11-16 12:57:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: That being said, no one deserves to go through this and it doesn't help that both Israel and Gaza have dickbags for leaders.


I'm curious, what alternative do you see Israeli leaders having when there's a group just over the border that keeps shooting at them?
 
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