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2012-11-16 12:20:58 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa. There is turmoil in the middle east!? When did this happen!?
 
2012-11-16 12:21:01 PM

Lunaville: The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.

I do wonder why Hamas so rarely denounces Britain? And America? I mean, I know that they do, but by comparison to what they dump on Israel, it seems so subdued. Maybe it's a distance and perspective thing creating what is really, on my part, a misconception. It's hard to judge.


It could be the fact that they see Israel attacking them, not the US or Britain.
 
2012-11-16 12:21:44 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.


"Never Forget" wasn't supposed to mean "so you can later apply those tactics yourself", Israel.
 
2012-11-16 12:21:46 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsu

Paul. All these name changes.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-16 12:21:54 PM

Galloping Galoshes: nmemkha: Well kiss any global economic recovery goodbye if this escalates.

Why? Wars are always good for manufacturing and increasing employment.


That's a myth. Every war throughout history has had a negative effect on the economy. The only apparent exception were the World Wars. There was a boom following them and it is easy to understand might look to that and say "Look, there were two awful wars and, then, our economy leaped ahead." But it isn't true that the leap was due to war. The leap was due to unprecedented government investment in science and research. War takes economies down. Science and research investment increase the health and strength of an economy. And that science and research need not be dedicated to the machines of war. Investment dollars go even further when they are invested in projects that result in nifty new things like the internet, or medicine, or war-preventing green energy sources.
 
2012-11-16 12:22:08 PM

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw


Yup. That's about the average intellectual level of the atheists in fark religion threads.
 
2012-11-16 12:22:10 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-16 12:22:11 PM

tolallorti: Hamas is only in power because the Israeli government/army is extremely abusive to Palestinians. Israel isn't solely to blame, but their continued expansion and segregation/discrimination against Palestinians contributes heavily to the problem


What happened right before Hamas was elected in Gaza?
Israel pulled all their people out (some by force).

wantingout: HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.

///and only an anti-semite would disagree! :-)


Only an anti semite would accuse Israel of Genocide when the population in Gaza, and of arabs in ISrael is growing faster than the jewish population.

Unless you can come up with some other reason you would tell blatant lies about the country.
 
2012-11-16 12:22:21 PM
Israel should just put the Palestinians into special camps, let them concentrate them all in one location...

That's what seems to be the prevailing desire from what I can gather...
 
2012-11-16 12:23:15 PM

Free Radical: If Romney had won we'd be gearing up for war.

/glad he didn't


Glad he didn't too, just because he wouldn't be able to avoid saying something stupid and unnecessary as the President-Elect.

On the other hand, we could be headed for a war anyway. I seriously doubt that this will end without Israel rolling tanks into Gaza, and if Egypt actually follows through with their statement of support and also deploys forces in Gaza then it's a war. If the conflict becomes real/intense and/or other countries step in to assist then our ass runs to Israel's rescue (provided they don't unleash hell and end it in 48 hours), and we're embroiled once again in a war that is better solved by telling the Israelites that we will no longer protect them unless they live inside the US borders, and offer them some of our abundant land.
 
2012-11-16 12:23:15 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

But Abram came from Sumer and was a polytheist. Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsus. Why do people have to change teams??? What was so wrong with Marduk?


Marduk is too busy jonseing for Stimutacs.
 
2012-11-16 12:23:33 PM

Lunaville: I'm trying to remain rational and make an honest effort to understand the issues involved in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. However, I am beginning to feel that Hamas and Netanyahu are the common enemies of the Palestinian and Israeli people. Each inflicts violence on civilians. Neither considers non-violent options at any stage. Both perpetuate injustices and respond to violence and injustice with their own acts of violence and injustice which achieves the same dismal result over and over again.
Maybe Jews for Peace and pro-peace Palestinians will have to form an Occupy Peace movement or something. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly isn't war. The time and resources wasted in devotion to war are time and resources that could be put into finding a real answer.


Hamas:
Step 1: Build Missile Launch site in apartment buildings, schools, hospitals, and mosques.
Step 2. Launch missiles at the hated Joos
Step 3. ????
Step 4. Die horribly when the Joos destroy the missile sites

There is no profit, unless you're the company selling the smart bombs, UAVs, fighter jets etc etc to the Joos.

Basically stop shooting rockets, and Israel will stop shooting places that rockets are coming from.

Oh and Egypt? Go fark a goat. You can't even keep your own shiat in order.
 
2012-11-16 12:23:37 PM

nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.


Logic has no place in this!! Blasphemer!
 
2012-11-16 12:23:37 PM
Meanwhile, in iran
 
2012-11-16 12:24:05 PM

ChipNASA: [bokertov.typepad.com image 480x303]

/stokes the fire


Martyrdom is a concept not readily embraced by Jews or Christians, bit for Muslims, dying for their faith* is a easy way into heaven. Yes, even their kids - its a cultural thing.

*Like Christianity, the reasons tends to be whatever the current religious powers want it to be, rather than having any actual doctrinal or dogmatic basis.
 
2012-11-16 12:24:06 PM

themindiswatching: Some of the rockets that have been used so far are Iranian made. Think Israel's going to use that as their excuse to bomb Iran?


Israel already is. They bombed many of the rocket launch sites (and storage) over the last few days in Iran's FOB.
 
2012-11-16 12:25:17 PM
Control + F "TATSUMA
(phrase not found)
/I miss old Super Jew.
 
2012-11-16 12:25:18 PM
Oh, this is going to turn out well.

I'm going to hang out over here. Away from the insanity. On a different continent.

Please keep me out of it.
 
2012-11-16 12:25:19 PM
Saladin: Will you yield the city?
Balian of Ibelin: Before I lose it, I will burn it to the ground. Your holy places - ours. Every last thing in Jerusalem that drives men mad.
Saladin: I wonder if it would not be better if you did.

- Kindom of Heaven. Awesome movie.
 
2012-11-16 12:25:22 PM
Too bad it wasn't a nuke.. that would have been the first step in solving a large portion of this problem.
 
2012-11-16 12:26:27 PM

Lunaville: Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.


Not particularly accurate. The Balfour declaration did call for a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel and Jordan., but that was prior to WWII.. Britain opposed jewish immigration after WWII. The UN created two countries, the Arabs refused to accept the UN resolution, and attacked Israel. When the dust settled, Israel controlled two-thirds of the palestinian land, and Jordan one third (the West Bank).
 
2012-11-16 12:26:42 PM

Purdue_Pete: Hamas... they are tricky. Putting a launch site near the playground makes the Jews be pretty damned accurate to avoid dead kids.

[kleinonline.wnd.com image 478x256]


Zeitoun. Huh. Massacre by IDF when they forced civilians into buildings that were later bombed by the IDF. Additionally, Zeitoun evidently is the first ground the IDF will head for if they invade that area of Gaza.
 
2012-11-16 12:27:16 PM

mynamebackwards: Penned up? I'm pretty sure the Palestinians are free to go anytime they wish. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Israel would pick up their bus fare.


No other Arab country will take them. It's convenient to maintain Gaza as an example of Israeli evil.
 
2012-11-16 12:27:38 PM

The_Fuzz: mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.


Between the Eugenics movement, the Soviet Gulag system, and the Maoist Great Leap Forward, 'people with knowledge and science' managed to rack up a murder count around 75 million or so in the 20th century.

Fanaticism is a human problem, not a religious problem.
 
2012-11-16 12:27:51 PM

jagermech: bostonguy: /subby
// American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment
/// Isn't that ironic
//// No, not really, Alanis

Sorry. Fark keeps me company right now. :)

Stay safe, subby!


For real man--stay safe. This is pretty bad.
 
2012-11-16 12:28:22 PM

enigmaxx: Why does this warrant the use of the newsflash tag?

Also: 

[t2.gstatic.com image 250x202]



Because it is Israel, the most important country on earth, full of the most important people on earth.
 
2012-11-16 12:28:30 PM

liam76: Only an anti semite would accuse Israel of Genocide when the population in Gaza, and of arabs in ISrael is growing faster than the jewish population.


I could go with "deeply uninformed" as an alternative. If you just listen to US media, you might think that.
 
2012-11-16 12:29:42 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Well, this is one way Israel will finally get to strike Iran. Looks like Bibi Butthead is going to suck us into another ME war.


content7.flixster.com
 
2012-11-16 12:29:43 PM

KellyX: Israel should just put the Palestinians into special camps, let them concentrate them all in one location...

That's what seems to be the prevailing desire from what I can gather...


You don't gather much. The Israeli position is "don't shoot at us, and we won't shoot back. If you do shoot at us, don't be surprised what happens then."
 
2012-11-16 12:30:21 PM
I sympathize with the Arab cause. I feel for the put-upon Jews. And I keep singing the middle class liberal, humanitarian, we are all responsible, well-intentioned blues.
 
2012-11-16 12:30:45 PM
Here's the quick history from what I posted in a prior thread. Note: No side -- the Jews, the Arabs, and the Palestinians are blameless (though some a lot more than others):

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up their claims.

Of course, those pieces of land still had a lot of the aforementioned Arabs and now their descendants. What to do? Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize.
 
2012-11-16 12:31:08 PM

MaliFinn: and if Egypt actually follows through with their statement of support and also deploys forces in Gaza


When has this happened? When Hamas got too violent, Israel has entered several times and Egypt did nothing. It's not in Egypt's interest to engage Israel.
 
2012-11-16 12:31:14 PM

ChipNASA: [i.imgur.com image 630x380]


Can't be Israel. Whar is white phosphorous? Whar?
 
2012-11-16 12:31:28 PM

Baelz:
Hamas:
Step 1: Build Missile Launch site in apartment buildings, schools, hospitals, and mosques.
Step 2. Launch missiles at the hated Joos
Step 3. ????
Step 4. Die horribly when the Joos destroy the missile sites

There is no profit, unless you're the company selling the smart bombs, UAVs, fighter jets etc etc to the Joos.


While I sympathize with the point you're making, it's not entirely accurate. There is a lot of profit in it for Hamas, and virtually every other "group" over there. Just as we in the United States funds various groups to destabilize nations and areas, so do a lot of other governments and terrorist groups finance Hamas, et. al., to do whatever they can to destabilize the region.

Despite my absolute lack of respect for Hamas, I will speak a little bit of blasphemy and say we in the West are far too willing to ignore the good things they do. Those schools and hospitals that they've put the missiles in are in large part not there without their presence. They've done a lot to help the poor. But, as with anything, their more militant wing makes them look absolutely atrocious.

In other words, a lot like us, there's a part of Hamas that is actually good, and that the people there look up to, and that part has earned that respect. There's another part that is as awful as Al Qaeda and should indeed be on the official Terrorist list, and that's the one doing the shiat currently going on.

But, they're smart enough to play the media game now. Like any government, when they do something stupid/aggressive, they tend to blame it on "rogue groups" or "rogue employees." In that way, they're not significantly different from a bank, IMO.
 
2012-11-16 12:32:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes


Maybe they believe it because it's pretty much the history of every country ever.
 
2012-11-16 12:32:17 PM

Galloping Galoshes: wantingout: HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.

///and only an anti-semite would disagree! :-)

It's not only Israel that keeps them in Gaza - Egypt doesn't want them, and no one else will take them. Israel has maintained a blockade on Gaza since Hamas began shooting at them from there. Israel's terms are pretty simple. Don't shoot at me, I won't shoot back.


It's a bit more complex than that with some families having lost farm land, business, the ability to conduct business and checkpoints. I'm not an expert on the topic. For further information, I'll have to refer you to this site as a starting point. Link You might also be interested in a related site Link
 
2012-11-16 12:32:32 PM

Headso: moops: Israel should now invade Gaza, and not leave until they've liquidated every single Hamas member.

how do you do that? with a centrifuge?


No silly. You use the centrifuge after liquidation, to separate the chunky bits from the gooey stuff.
 
2012-11-16 12:32:43 PM
 
2012-11-16 12:32:45 PM

bostonguy: Here's the quick history from what I posted in a prior thread. Note: No side -- the Jews, the Arabs, and the Palestinians are blameless (though some a lot more than others):

Quick history: There had always been some Jews living among the Arabs in the Ottoman Empire's province of Palestine for centuries. Starting in the nineteenth century, more and more Jews began moving to the region and buying land from Arabs or moving into empty, desolate, unused land. Eventually, after World War I and the British gaining control, the UN proposed splitting the area into a Jewish and an Arab state. The Jews agreed; the Arabs did not and declared war.

In the ensuing chaos of war, many Arabs ended up in what is now called the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Some of them left voluntarily either to avoid the war or under orders from the Arab leaders to get out of the way of the invading armies. Others were indeed forcibly expelled by the Haganah (what would become the IDF). It's impossible to know what percentage of the relocation was voluntary and involuntary. Anyway, it happened.

So, you had a bunch of Arabs in what were then parts of Jordan and Egypt. When those countries invaded Israel in 1967, Israel won and took those lands from the two countries for increased future security. Today, Jordan has said that it no longer wants the West Bank, and Egypt does not want Gaza. Under international law, the ownership of the land transferred to Israel because the original owners, the countries, gave up their claims.

Of course, those pieces of land still had a lot of the aforementioned Arabs and now their descendants. What to do? Answer that, and you'll get a Nobel Prize.


"Give 'em guns, step back, and watch 'em kill each other." -- Tupac Shakuir
 
2012-11-16 12:33:24 PM
ambarussa.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-16 12:34:55 PM

Lunaville: The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.

I do wonder why Hamas so rarely denounces Britain? And America? I mean, I know that they do, but by comparison to what they dump on Israel, it seems so subdued. Maybe it's a distance and perspective thing creating what is really, on my part, a misconception. It's hard to judge.


The British totally trolled the Palestinians. They were supposed to be given their independence following WWI, in exchange for the Palestinians rising up against the Ottomans. Instead, their land was given to the Israelis, and many have lived in camps for several generations in various other Muslim countries. They've been screwed for the last hundred years. Now they are being used as meatshields by Assad to keep Israel out of the Syrian civil war.
 
2012-11-16 12:35:15 PM

Galloping Galoshes: KellyX: Israel should just put the Palestinians into special camps, let them concentrate them all in one location...

That's what seems to be the prevailing desire from what I can gather...

You don't gather much. The Israeli position is "don't shoot at us, and we won't shoot back. If you do shoot at us, don't be surprised what happens then."


You seem to have missed out the rather critical "Don't you dare react as we steal your land, bulldoze your homes, perform a string of extra-judicial executions, kill your civilians, and destroy any chance of you operating a functional economy" first part of Israel's position.
 
2012-11-16 12:35:18 PM

Galloping Galoshes: MaliFinn: and if Egypt actually follows through with their statement of support and also deploys forces in Gaza

When has this happened? When Hamas got too violent, Israel has entered several times and Egypt did nothing. It's not in Egypt's interest to engage Israel.


It's a different Egyptian government that's more sympathetic to Hamas.
 
2012-11-16 12:35:39 PM

ChipNASA: TATS


The whiny little douche finally put the last active Farker on his hilariously oversized ignore list. When he next logged in and saw zero comments, he thought the place shut down and moved on.

That's my theory anyways.
 
2012-11-16 12:35:58 PM
The My Little Pony Killer


Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

^ What r'tards who failed history actually believe.
 
2012-11-16 12:36:04 PM

gerrymander:
Fanaticism is a human problem, not a religious problem.


That's a load of crap. It's purely a religion problem. Just the other day I was arguing with another one of those Patriots fans (who all deserve to die -- they are evil!) about this. I don't understand how anyone who can like Tom Brady and Bill Belicheat can possibly think their opinion rises to be worth examining. It's a lot like farking Republicans and their whole party -- it's not much different from people who believe in universal health care in other countries! And don't get me started on those environmentalists. It's like they don't understand that we don't care about "evidence" and think this "reason" shiat is going to help. No, they're wrong, and that's that. I know because it's generally accepted, and that's what I was brought up with! Speaking of, this is the farking year of the Linux Desktop, whether anyone likes it or not -- Microsoft will be bankrupt in 2 months, and everyone will be running Ubuntu, even in their socks and shoes.
 
2012-11-16 12:36:07 PM

shastacola: The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes

Maybe they believe it because it's pretty much the history of every country ever.


Really? Every country ever has had land handed to them by the foreign powers propping them up? I think you need to rethink your history lessons...
 
2012-11-16 12:36:13 PM

gerrymander: The_Fuzz: mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.

Between the Eugenics movement, the Soviet Gulag system, and the Maoist Great Leap Forward, 'people with knowledge and science' managed to rack up a murder count around 75 million or so in the 20th century.

Fanaticism is a human problem, not a religious problem.


Yes, but it isn't a "Science" problem, as was suggested. I stand by my point. Its not the science, its the people. They just need a motivation, as your examples suggest.
 
2012-11-16 12:36:36 PM

Galloping Galoshes: Lunaville: Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.

Not particularly accurate. The Balfour declaration did call for a Jewish homeland in what is now Israel and Jordan., but that was prior to WWII.. Britain opposed jewish immigration after WWII. The UN created two countries, the Arabs refused to accept the UN resolution, and attacked Israel. When the dust settled, Israel controlled two-thirds of the palestinian land, and Jordan one third (the West Bank).


Yes, thank-you. Your statement is more clear than mine was. And, for those on the thread who think that only Israel is in the wrong; I think your statement helps to clarify that Israel has also suffered injustices.
 
2012-11-16 12:36:45 PM
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