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2012-11-16 12:09:36 PM  

Prevailing Wind: Damnit Boston. GTFO of town. Isn't this a wonderful time of year to head west for a European Vacation? I've seen the movie. It looks like a blast. BE THE PIG man! Its kosher I think.


I don't flee when my home is being attacked. And I appreciate the humor! :)
 
2012-11-16 12:09:37 PM  
CokeBear: "No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that?"

This.
Though I would clarify and underline a part I think you just left implied: "Where's the profit and power *for a hardliner* in that?"
Plenty of people can amass power and profit given a peaceful solution.
They just aren't the ones who go on about crushing things beneath their boot-heels.

That said, I have a hard time feeling pity for the mushy middle of voters, if they're still swayed by hardliner nonsense after generations of hardliner nonsense has failed.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:03 PM  
Yawn.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:15 PM  
I'm glad these Hamas guys don't run NASA. Their rockets can't hit crap.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:16 PM  

nmemkha: Well kiss any global economic recovery goodbye if this escalates.


Why? War is GREAT for the economy. (real, declared war, not prolonged bulls!t wars).

Factories ramp up and money flows. Fuel, weapons, planes, boats, jobs!

It's not so good for the places where the fighting is, but the US economy would get a boost from selling weapons and support to Israel.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:31 PM  
I'm trying to remain rational and make an honest effort to understand the issues involved in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. However, I am beginning to feel that Hamas and Netanyahu are the common enemies of the Palestinian and Israeli people. Each inflicts violence on civilians. Neither considers non-violent options at any stage. Both perpetuate injustices and respond to violence and injustice with their own acts of violence and injustice which achieves the same dismal result over and over again.
Maybe Jews for Peace and pro-peace Palestinians will have to form an Occupy Peace movement or something. I don't know. I don't know what the answer is, but it certainly isn't war. The time and resources wasted in devotion to war are time and resources that could be put into finding a real answer.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I didn't think you could swing a dead cat without hitting something religious to someone around there


tippedearclan.files.wordpress.com

OMG...were farked.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:48 PM  

CokeBear: Hamas wants to ensure that Bibi is re-elected in the upcoming election. As a radical hardliner, he helps their cause immensely.

If a peacenik (or even moderate or slightly sane centrist) PM was elected in Israel, there is a huge risk to Hamas that peace could break out, which is obviously not in their interests.

So the logical thing for them to do is exactly what they are doing, be as threatening and aggressive as possible, in order to ensure that their fellow hard-line loonies stay in power in Israel. They recognize that the real threat to extremists is not the extremists on the other side, since they both see things in extreme black & white terms, they actually share most elements of their worldview.

No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that? You keep power by keeping people afraid.


This is BS.

Bibi f-ing assassinated the head of Hamas Security forces just the other day. That guy was working with others to get a ceasefire done. Bibi's extra judicial assassination is what touched off the latest round of fighting.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/how-israel-shattered - gaza-truce-leading-escalating-death-and-tragedy-timeline
 
2012-11-16 12:11:03 PM  
If they want to hurt Hamas, they need to invade Syria. That's who started Hamas, that's who arms them and that's who gives them orders.

Remember that "Isreal retaliates against a Syrian shelling" thing that happened just before the Hamas attacks? I can guarantee that this is nothing but a way for Assad to turn the Palestinians into unwilling meatshields. Again.
 
2012-11-16 12:11:17 PM  
Some of the rockets that have been used so far are Iranian made. Think Israel's going to use that as their excuse to bomb Iran?
 
2012-11-16 12:11:26 PM  
HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.

///and only an anti-semite would disagree! :-)
 
2012-11-16 12:11:26 PM  

mcreadyblue: The Dome of the Rock and the Wailing Wall are right next to each other.


The rockets currently used by Hamas are not as powerful as one may think. I spoke with a missile-defense expert from the United States at a pub recently, and he said they will take out one floor of an apartment building, for example, but not the whole building. So I could see a rocket hitting one but leaving the other intact.
 
2012-11-16 12:11:49 PM  

Headso: moops: Israel should now invade Gaza, and not leave until they've liquidated every single Hamas member.

how do you do that? with a centrifuge?


Centrifuge would work. I would have also accepted "grinder", "mill", or "press"
 
2012-11-16 12:12:02 PM  

mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.


I... I don't even know how to respond to this.

I... just can't...
 
2012-11-16 12:12:10 PM  
Muslim - The McDonald's of religion
 
2012-11-16 12:12:21 PM  

Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw


Worked wonders in the Soviet Union, after all.
 
2012-11-16 12:12:22 PM  
alphabetagemma.files.wordpress.com

www.luishurtado.com
 
2012-11-16 12:12:25 PM  

cgraves67: I'm glad these Hamas guys don't run NASA. Their rockets can't hit crap.


"We've just received word that the mars rover has launched and then immediately crashed into sesame street killing 13 , ah, ah, ah"
 
2012-11-16 12:12:29 PM  
themindiswatching: Some of the rockets that have been used so far are Iranian made. Think Israel's going to use that as their excuse to bomb Iran?

//don't drink the kool-aid, buddy.
 
2012-11-16 12:12:34 PM  
Well, this is one way Israel will finally get to strike Iran. Looks like Bibi Butthead is going to suck us into another ME war.
 
2012-11-16 12:12:35 PM  

mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.


That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.
 
2012-11-16 12:12:42 PM  
Hamas... they are tricky. Putting a launch site near the playground makes the Jews be pretty damned accurate to avoid dead kids.

kleinonline.wnd.com
 
2012-11-16 12:12:51 PM  

SpectroBoy:
Why? War is GREAT for the economy. (real, declared war, not prolonged bulls!t wars).


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-16 12:13:28 PM  
If Romney had won we'd be gearing up for war.

/glad he didn't
 
2012-11-16 12:13:38 PM  
faculty.etsu.edu

/have a happy friday farkers
 
2012-11-16 12:13:42 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.


Gaza Strip population has tripled since 1995.

WORST. GENOCIDE. EVAR.
 
2012-11-16 12:13:56 PM  
I saw we send in a seal team. They could sneak up behind Israel, inflate a LARGE brown paper bag, and then POP it.

The flinch should be enough to get this war rolling.
 
2012-11-16 12:13:59 PM  

The_Fuzz: mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.

That's one of the dumbest things I've read in an Middle East war thread in a long time.

There is "truth in the guns don't kill people, I do" bumper sticker. Here's a hint. People with knowledge and Science aren't going to kill people on their own. They need some sort of motivation. Hrmm, like, say, fanatical religions zealots? Ya, that'll do just fine.


This.
 
2012-11-16 12:14:03 PM  

bostonguy: /subby
// American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment
/// Isn't that ironic
//// No, not really, Alanis

Sorry. Fark keeps me company right now. :)


Keep yer head down and stay safe, Subby. When the explosions stop and you can get out, have a roadside felafel for me. (Visited Israel back in 1989 and STILL crave those sumbiatches.) In the meantime, have a little TF on me to keep you company.
 
2012-11-16 12:14:14 PM  
As much as you may think it, Christians may be upset about the destruction of whatever holy site there is for about a week then they'll go back to not caring about it.

That's the difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Christians don't believe that The Law holds any sway over believers. Therefore holy sites are nice tourist attractions, but don't have any intrinsic spiritual value.
 
2012-11-16 12:16:11 PM  

wantingout: HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.

///and only an anti-semite would disagree! :-)


It's not only Israel that keeps them in Gaza - Egypt doesn't want them, and no one else will take them. Israel has maintained a blockade on Gaza since Hamas began shooting at them from there. Israel's terms are pretty simple. Don't shoot at me, I won't shoot back.
 
2012-11-16 12:16:37 PM  

nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.


But Abram came from Sumer and was a polytheist. Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsus. Why do people have to change teams??? What was so wrong with Marduk?
 
2012-11-16 12:17:29 PM  

Goonie_Goo_Goo: bostonguy: /subby
// American Israeli who left Tel Aviv to crash at a friend's place in Jerusalem after hearing a rocket explode from his apartment
/// Isn't that ironic
//// No, not really, Alanis

Sorry. Fark keeps me company right now. :)

Keep yer head down and stay safe, Subby. When the explosions stop and you can get out, have a roadside felafel for me. (Visited Israel back in 1989 and STILL crave those sumbiatches.) In the meantime, have a little TF on me to keep you company.


Holy crap, thanks so much! Since a certain Farker who's name I won't mention isn't here because of Shabbat, I'll try to keep people updated. This former journalist will try to be neutral, but I have an obvious personal interest. :)

I'm watching the news from well inside a Jerusalem pub (and not outside, of course) and will soon go to my Israeli friend's apartment where I'll be staying to watch it from there.
 
2012-11-16 12:17:32 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Let's keep encroaching on the land we shoved these people off onto and see if we can't get sunshine and rainbows from them.

/what Israel seriously believes


Actually, the British shoved aside the Palestinians to form Israel with the consent of the USA. Palestine was British territory. To my knowledge, the only group that questioned the wisdom of shunting a huge percentage of Europes' Jewish population into Palestine at that time were the Quakers. And they didn't have really have an alternative solution to offer other than pushing to allow for more refugee entry into the United Kingdom and the United States which was hotly opposed at that time.

I do wonder why Hamas so rarely denounces Britain? And America? I mean, I know that they do, but by comparison to what they dump on Israel, it seems so subdued. Maybe it's a distance and perspective thing creating what is really, on my part, a misconception. It's hard to judge.
 
2012-11-16 12:17:35 PM  

CokeBear: Hamas wants to ensure that Bibi is re-elected in the upcoming election. As a radical hardliner, he helps their cause immensely.

If a peacenik (or even moderate or slightly sane centrist) PM was elected in Israel, there is a huge risk to Hamas that peace could break out, which is obviously not in their interests.

So the logical thing for them to do is exactly what they are doing, be as threatening and aggressive as possible, in order to ensure that their fellow hard-line loonies stay in power in Israel. They recognize that the real threat to extremists is not the extremists on the other side, since they both see things in extreme black & white terms, they actually share most elements of their worldview.

No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that? You keep power by keeping people afraid.


Hamas is only in power because the Israeli government/army is extremely abusive to Palestinians. Israel isn't solely to blame, but their continued expansion and segregation/discrimination against Palestinians contributes heavily to the problem.
 
2012-11-16 12:17:51 PM  

CokeBear: No, the threat to hardliners is the mushy middle. The pacifists non-nutballs on both sides who would rather talk, and build schools, hospitals and make life better for Israelis and Palestinians. Where's the profit and power in that? You keep power by keeping people afraid


You don't have to be a pacifist to want this shiat to end.

Problem is Hamas has an iron grip on Gaza and until outside aid from other Arabs who think "death to the jews" is the best course of action for them, that isn't going to change because they will remian the strongest party.
 
2012-11-16 12:18:14 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: As much as you may think it, Christians may be upset about the destruction of whatever holy site there is for about a week then they'll go back to not caring about it.


Unless the parking lot that was build over Golgotha gets hit.
/Needed a better Tourism Bureau back then.
 
2012-11-16 12:18:14 PM  

Marine1: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Worked wonders in the Soviet Union, after all.


The Soviet Union had a grasp on science that could at best be described as tenuous.
 
2012-11-16 12:18:17 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: nmemkha: Jews, Muslims, and Christians all worship the God of Abraham. They are literally fighting each other in the name of the same God.

But Abram came from Sumer and was a polytheist. Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsus. Why do people have to change teams??? What was so wrong with Marduk?


It ain't nothing but a G thing. Mortals can't relate dawg.
 
2012-11-16 12:18:35 PM  

mekki: Amurica...Fark Ya!: Duuurrrrrr......religion.....hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr r


/it's 2012 for fark's sake
//science ftw

Ah, yes, science. You know, what you use to make the rockets and bombs.

Anyone who thinks science is always peaceful and religion is always violent is an idiot. It's hard to keep wars going if all you have are stones that you've picked off the ground. That's where science kicks in and shows you all the new ways to kill people. Many where you are thousands of miles away and you don't even have to leave your desk.


I am not sure how, but you managed to put your entire head up your ass there
 
2012-11-16 12:18:43 PM  
This isn't a repeat of the last thousand years
 
2012-11-16 12:18:55 PM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Until he out-Sauled Saul of Tarsu


Paul. All these name changes.
 
2012-11-16 12:19:24 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.


Penned up? I'm pretty sure the Palestinians are free to go anytime they wish. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Israel would pick up their bus fare.
 
2012-11-16 12:19:37 PM  

give me doughnuts: HotIgneous Intruder: oh good.

/Got all those weapons, might as well unleash them on the folks who've been penned up for two generations in a 141 square-mile concentration camp and are lashing out again.
//Genocide: It's OK when Israel does it.

Gaza Strip population has tripled since 1995.

WORST. GENOCIDE. EVAR.


Darn those people like to fark.

Someone should get them cable or something.
 
2012-11-16 12:19:37 PM  
s3.vidimg02.popscreen.com

would have sucked to be in a Quiznos cup when the bomb came
 
2012-11-16 12:19:59 PM  
bokertov.typepad.com

/stokes the fire
 
2012-11-16 12:20:01 PM  

SpectroBoy: I saw we send in a seal team. They could sneak up behind Israel, inflate a LARGE brown paper bag, and then POP it.

The flinch should be enough to get this war rolling.


Dude.. How inhumane are you? Don't you think that's a bit extreme? What's next huh? HUH? Grabbing someones nose, then curling your thumb between your index and middle finger while declaring GOT YOUR NOSE?

WHEN DOES IT STOP MAN???
 
2012-11-16 12:20:02 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: [s3.vidimg02.popscreen.com image 480x360]

would have sucked to be in a Quiznos cup when the bomb came


Truth.
 
2012-11-16 12:20:08 PM  

Lunaville: I'm trying to remain rational and make an honest effort to understand the issues involved in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. However, I am beginning to feel that Hamas and Netanyahu are the common enemies of the Palestinian and Israeli people.


Better late than never. Welcome to the club. Many of the leaders in the Middle East benefit directly by making sure the Palestinians' lives are as awful as possible. They have been the putative political football for long enough that everyone knows they can toss that pigskin for a few yards. On the other hand, we ought to remember this when we go out of our way to encourage democracy in other countries. We can't say, "Democracy at any cost!" and then remain all snooty when people get elected we don't like, even if it's palpably obvious those people are bad for their citizens.

The whole situation is a clusterfark, and will remain that way until the people in charge stop getting enriched by the conflict. I don't even believe it's about differing religions anymore, over there.
 
2012-11-16 12:20:11 PM  

Prevailing Wind: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I didn't think you could swing a dead cat without hitting something religious to someone around there

[tippedearclan.files.wordpress.com image 468x572]

OMG...were farked.


WTF is wrong with chinese people.
And WTF with my god bigger than your god.

/rant off
 
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