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(Politico)   "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour and is doing a $30M "free pizza" promotion is upset that he has to spend $8M to provide his employees with healthcare   (politico.com) divider line 115
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2012-11-16 10:58:33 AM
11 votes:

WalkingCarpet: Are there any wealthy Republicans out there that aren't stereotypical mustache-twirling villains?


Generally No. Few people make it that high up the ladder without being some kind of greedy sociopath.
2012-11-16 11:59:53 AM
8 votes:

Raharu: WalkingCarpet: Are there any wealthy Republicans out there that aren't stereotypical mustache-twirling villains?

Generally No. Few people make it that high up the ladder without being some kind of greedy sociopath.


Service industry businesses typically don't think of their employees as even being human; more like utilitarian livestock.
2012-11-16 01:42:36 PM
7 votes:
I gaurantee every restaurant has at least one employee working right now that is sick and cannot take time off either due to boss pressure or because of the industries crappy wages. Why do we want to be served food by businesses that willfully ignore basic hygenic standards and engender a public health hazard?
2012-11-16 12:36:03 PM
7 votes:
Employers are pissed that they can't keep passing off their responsibility to their employees to the rest of society. And yet these are the same people that biatch because the hospital tax for their county hospital keeps going up year after year and Medicare/Medicaid costs keep going up and up

Not shocking. At all
2012-11-16 12:08:23 PM
7 votes:
And when he loses millions in profits from people no longer buying his pizza because of this, he'll blame it on Obama.
2012-11-16 12:05:44 PM
7 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?


Look, the guy employs a lot of people, and he has given large amounts of money to charity, but he is still a douche for what he is doing NOW. It is a 50/50 self-made man. Yes, he used daddy's shop to set up business, but he went with a business plan and he made it. Good for him.

He's still being a douche about THIS issue.
2012-11-16 12:05:30 PM
7 votes:
Too bad we don't have something like universal healthcare, then these businesses wouldn't have to worry about it.
2012-11-16 11:04:57 AM
7 votes:

WalkingCarpet: Are there any wealthy Republicans out there that aren't stereotypical mustache-twirling villains?


There may be a few, but they're smart enough not to pointlessly stick their foot in their mouth like this moron.
2012-11-16 10:55:31 AM
7 votes:
Are there any wealthy Republicans out there that aren't stereotypical mustache-twirling villains?
2012-11-16 12:35:56 PM
6 votes:
If only there were some sort of alternative system that would universally cover everyone rather than leave it up businesses and individuals to pay into private insurers. I can't think what we'd call it.
2012-11-16 11:55:17 AM
6 votes:
FTA: National Papa John's Appreciation Day...the event is organized by Rebooting America, a conservative group that formed the day after last week..."We're standing up for a business owner that was bold enough to tell investors and the American people that the Affordable Care Act will hurt profits"

That's all that matters to these greedy assholes. I got mine, fark you and everyone else.
2012-11-16 11:54:47 AM
6 votes:
Oh look another business is using Obamacare as an excuse to screw over workers and customers.
2012-11-16 11:51:12 AM
6 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?


Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.
2012-11-16 03:57:38 PM
5 votes:
Here is what pisses me off in this thread: the anti-assistance types repeat some form of "well they choose to work in a shiatty job so it's their fault." Are you people unaware that there are not enough well-paying jobs out there? Do you understand that even if that one fictional worker goes out and gets a better job with benefits, that now somebody else is working that shiat job. Do you really think people choose shiatty jobs, or are those the only jobs available? There are always going to be winners and losers in a capitalist economy, but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like shiat.

You would be better of suggesting we get rid of shiat jobs than telling everybody in your fantasy world to just get a better job. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF THOSE JOBS.
2012-11-16 11:59:52 AM
5 votes:
Nothing makes a shiatty frozen pizza taste better than knowing someone with a bad case of the flu made it and handed it off to a delivery person with untreated scabies!

It's pizza, people. If you don't have ONE decent locally-owned place next to you then I hope you're enjoying the view of The Thing approaching.
2012-11-16 11:31:24 AM
5 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: He should spend some of that money on something useful, like a pair of lips.


Why? He seems perfectly capable of sucking Republican dick just fine without them.
2012-11-16 03:40:10 PM
4 votes:
So the right wing argument in this thread is that because Papa John began from fairly humble beginnings he deserves to treat his employees poorly? Curious what the top tax bracket was and what capital gains taxes were like when Mr John was a middle class guy?

Just another case of I've got mine so f*ck you.
2012-11-16 02:43:22 PM
4 votes:

muck4doo: Want health insurance? Find a job that offers it. If you insist on making pizzas for dirt cheap, and no health insurance, well, that's on you.


Do you realize that there are lots of people who have no other choice but to take a job making pizzas for dirt cheap?

According to your logic, these people should not have health insurance because of where they work. That's incredibly callous imho.
2012-11-16 12:56:02 PM
4 votes:
Again. Health insurance only applies to employees who work over 30 hours a week and does not take effect until 2014. Also the 30 hour a week measurement can be between 3-12 months of payroll. So anyone who says that they are doing x because of Obamacare at this point is either clueless or willfully misleading.
2012-11-16 11:59:32 AM
4 votes:

hillbillypharmacist: Oh look another business is using Obamacare as an excuse to screw over workers and customers.

2012-11-16 11:45:04 AM
4 votes:
I want the person making my pizza to have the flu and untreated genital warts.
2012-11-16 11:26:27 AM
4 votes:
This clown should be more worried about the $250 million nationwide class action lawsuit that has been filed for his company spamming the shiat out its customers after they've asked for it to stop.
2012-11-16 04:07:51 PM
3 votes:
scienceblogs.com
2012-11-16 03:42:21 PM
3 votes:

muck4doo: Peter von Nostrand: muck4doo: muck4doo: Peter von Nostrand: Employers are pissed that they can't keep passing off their responsibility to their employees to the rest of society.

I've never thought of healthcare being a responsibility of employers to their employees, but rather a perk offered to attract better people to work for them along with wages.

Employers should be responsible for making sure their employees keep a healthy diet too.

It's a perfect right wing circle of derp. Employers don't provide any assistance to their workers, who then depend on government to assist them, raising taxes and allowing the right wing to call those people the leeches of society

It's a perfect left wing circle of derp from another entitled child who thinks everyone else is responsible for taking care of him. Health insurance has always been a perk employers offer, how you think it should be an entitlement backed by the government says a lot about you. Want health insurance? Find a job that offers it. If you insist on making pizzas for dirt cheap, and no health insurance, well, that's on you. There are other pizza places that do offer benefits. Go apply at one of them. If Pappa John finds no one wants to make a serious career there for lack of health insurance, he might start offering it. Insisting someone else take care of your every whim and need as an entitlement or right is setting you up for a lot of disappointment in life. We already have programs in place to help those without insurance and, you can try looking them up if you're ever bored.

/No, you're not entitled to me looking them up for you.


You don't understand the concept that everyone in society is in it together one way or another. When these people get sick, you will pay for it in increased taxes, whether through Medicare/Medicaid, county hospital taxes, etc. I know that's not difficult to understand. Their healthcare doesn't get paid for by magic. I realize I'm talking to a brick wall, though so we're pretty much done here
2012-11-16 03:36:59 PM
3 votes:
Doing it right:
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Doing it wrong:
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2012-11-16 12:08:56 PM
3 votes:

wxboy: And when he loses millions in profits from people no longer buying his pizza because of this, he'll blame it on Obama.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
2012-11-16 05:41:05 PM
2 votes:
skullkrusher:

In fact, I'm going to do you a favor this thread and explain to you some of the things you're missing

The first thing that you threw out was pretty simple: "wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25." It's absolutely clear that you're simply asserting that an average wage below minimum wage is impossible because the minimum wage is the minimum. I simply pointed out that such an assertion is wrong because tipped employees have a wage below the minimum wage, allowing for an average below the minimum. Basic math.

You took that to mean that I'm throwing out an opinion on the actual average wage of Papa John's employees. I couldn't care less what their average wage is, or how it's distributed among corporate versus franchise, or any of the other horseshiat you threw out in your smokescreen - if you sat down and did the math and it came out to $15 an hour for corporate and $8 an hour for franchises, it wouldn't farking matter. Because the entire point of my post was to show you the flaw in your logic - that you were making an erroneous assumption. You're taking it personally, and trying to prove that the gist of your argument is right - which is, again, for the umpteenth time, totally besides the point I made. It only belies your ignorance and willingness to jump to whatever assumption you need to make yourself feel better.

Feel free to keep bringing up stuff that I don't care about, though, it does make me titter so.
2012-11-16 05:15:31 PM
2 votes:
Setting aside the political debate - this was a stupid PR move. A week ago, if you asked me what I thought of this guy, I'd have said he was some guy who was probably smart and hardworking and lucky and more power to him. Now, I think he's a jerk who mixes his business with politics and gives his customers a political sermon with their fooking pizza. Doesn't make me inclined to do business with him.
He could have handled his "problem" (if he really even has one) internally, and just run his business like the rest of us. Instead, he shot his mouth off for no good business purpose. And after seeing that, if he's ever looking for investment capital, there's no point in his coming to me. This kind of childish, petulant shiat does NOT inspire confidence.
2012-11-16 04:36:29 PM
2 votes:

Cup Check: A country full of entitled fast food workers, grocery baggers, and store clerks who won't move up because it's "easy."


Bullshiat.

I've done all of those things and they are 100% WORSE than any white collar job I've had since. Hell, I'd work my current well-paying "skilled" job for minimum wage before I'd go back to fast food even if it paid my current salary.
2012-11-16 04:27:36 PM
2 votes:
And the Right wonders why we can't stand the wealthy. It's not because we're "jealous". Sure, we're jealous the way you are when the hot chick walks by in the Mall with some loser boyfriend, but not jealous in the way they're trying to portray. These people can have that money. it's just hard to get our sympathy when they're worth more than everyone we personally know will make over their lifetimes(Combined), and they are still throwing a fit. Let's put it this way: I live in relative luxury because I am renting a 3,000 square foot house for $1500/month. We need it, with 3 adults, 2 teenagers and a 4 year old in the house, but how does this asshole expect me to feel sorry for him in his $22 million dollar house?

Fark these people.
JW
2012-11-16 04:15:11 PM
2 votes:
"We're standing up for a business owner that was bold enough to tell investors and the American people that the Affordable Care Act will hurt profits," Justen Charters, the group's president, told POLITICO.

Having to provide healthcare for employees hurts profits.
Having to pay employees a certain minimum wage hurts profits.
Having to maintain safe and non discriminatory standards in the workplace hurts profits.
Having to dispose of garbage in a responsible way hurts profits.
Having to ensure that food meets certain safety standards hurts profits.
Having to ensure delivery vehicles meet certain standards hurts profits.
Having to pay employees hurts profits.
Having competitors hurts profits.
Having consumer access to information about health decisions hurts profits.

Sure, some standards hurts profits. Too bad. It's called "being part of society". I don't get how people can get all worked up that somehow standard is "totally unreasonable" whereas others somehow don't merit discussion. I *really* don't get it when the argument is "but I want to make a hundred million a year and not give my employees health care" versus "givnig employees health care and making ninety million a year".
2012-11-16 04:07:06 PM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?

No. That's quite impressive. But that doesn't mean I have to like that he is a selfish, greedy prick.


It's really not that impressive if you know anything about the foodservice industry. No lease to pay? No equipment costs? He was already ten steps ahead of anyone else starting from scratch.
2012-11-16 04:01:20 PM
2 votes:
Maybe you should have supported a single-payer system then asshole... instead, you got the GOP inspired alternative created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. Look in the farking mirror once in a while you disingenuous farks!
2012-11-16 03:54:23 PM
2 votes:

InmanRoshi: muck4doo: InmanRoshi: Next thing you know we'll be living in a shiathole remembling Sweden, rather than the utopian dream of a Calcutta slum with the sick and diseased dying in the gutters.


Because the U.S. has been just like Culcutta to this point.

/That was derptastic, I gotta admit

No thankfully we have a social net in place because the "public demanded stuff".


But yes, before that point where the workforce organized, workplace regulations went into effect, labor laws were implemented, and a social infrastructure was established (ie all the things rich white people hate) around the turn of the 20th Century.... yes, the major urban areas in the US did resemble Calcutta.
2012-11-16 03:50:16 PM
2 votes:
Moral of the story: To save rent-seeking trickle-down economics, it is necessary to let a reasonable amount of the money actually trickle down. Otherwise you'll get ground up by the median voter theorem once the middle class figures out you're hoarding the cash and they now have a lot more in common with the poor than they do with you. It sucks ... but one person, one vote.
2012-11-16 03:40:13 PM
2 votes:
As has been mentioned and as I say in all these threads:

Because the LAST thing you want is HEALTHY PEOPLE HANDLING YOUR FOOD.
2012-11-16 03:35:41 PM
2 votes:
worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour a

I knew Obamacare was going to hurt small business.
2012-11-16 02:30:50 PM
2 votes:
Anyone else been personally boycotting them for over at least 10 years on grounds of a terrible product?
2012-11-16 02:23:52 PM
2 votes:

muck4doo: muck4doo: Peter von Nostrand: Employers are pissed that they can't keep passing off their responsibility to their employees to the rest of society.

I've never thought of healthcare being a responsibility of employers to their employees, but rather a perk offered to attract better people to work for them along with wages.

Employers should be responsible for making sure their employees keep a healthy diet too.


It's a perfect right wing circle of derp. Employers don't provide any assistance to their workers, who then depend on government to assist them, raising taxes and allowing the right wing to call those people the leeches of society
2012-11-16 02:19:51 PM
2 votes:
I suspect that in the long run, guys like "Papa" and that Denny's douchebag who's telling his customers to tip less are making it easier for the public at large to accept single payer.
2012-11-16 02:15:42 PM
2 votes:

Linger: I guarantee every restaurant company has at least one employee working right now that is sick and cannot take time off either due to boss pressure or because of the industries crappy wages.



FTFR (fixed that for reality). I know more than a few people, my boyfriend included, who can't afford to take days off to go to the doctor if they're sick, either because they've already used all their sick days by now, or they don't get sick days at all. In my boyfriend's case, he got the flu at the beginning of the year and used up all his sick days not vomiting death all over his office, but now that he's got a bad bronchial infection, he can't stay home. We were able to get him to a doctor during his lunch break, but he has to keep coming in early, staying late, and hacking his lungs out the whole time. If he decides to say "fark it" and stay home anyway, he loses that day's pay, and while we're not one paycheck away from homeless, we still can't afford for him to do that. At least his office is only open two days next week, so he'll have Wednesday through Sunday to rest up.
2012-11-16 01:47:57 PM
2 votes:

SlothB77: Papa John doesn't know how to run his pizza business. The government should force Pizza restaurant owners to give their employees health insurance. If they don't, then our government should nationalize the pizza industry. It is for the greater good of ensuring pizza cooks and pizza delivery drivers get health insurance. After all, Obama knows how to run a pizza delivery franchise better than Papa John.


You might have a point here if Obamacare only affected pizza delivery franchises. But thats the point of government - to enact policy that will benefit the populace as a whole. I agree that business owners should not have to bear the cost alone of what is a public good. Healthcare should be part of basic infrastructure like roads and bridges. Hopefully we can get to single-payer eventually because a healthy populace makes good sense both for the economy and hygeine.
2012-11-16 12:33:40 PM
2 votes:

SlothB77: Papa John doesn't know how to run his pizza business. The government should force Pizza restaurant owners to give their employees health insurance. If they don't, then our government should nationalize the pizza industry. It is for the greater good of ensuring pizza cooks and pizza delivery drivers get health insurance. After all, Obama knows how to run a pizza delivery franchise better than Papa John.


Cry moar. In 40 years old folks will be protesting with misspelled signs saying "Keep your Govmunt hands off my Obamacare"
2012-11-16 12:15:25 PM
2 votes:

propasaurus: Why am I supposed to hate that?


Because that's what the fox news characture demands.
2012-11-16 12:14:01 PM
2 votes:

Raharu: Generally No. Few people make it that high up the ladder without being some kind of greedy sociopath.


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So true
2012-11-16 12:11:00 PM
2 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?


... AND
Weird that in one post you claim to not know anything about how he started the business because there isn't much info on Wiki, then you counter it by referencing info FROM WIKI on how he started the business.
2012-11-16 11:58:56 AM
2 votes:
Papa John doesn't know how to run his pizza business. The government should force Pizza restaurant owners to give their employees health insurance. If they don't, then our government should nationalize the pizza industry. It is for the greater good of ensuring pizza cooks and pizza delivery drivers get health insurance. After all, Obama knows how to run a pizza delivery franchise better than Papa John.
2012-11-16 11:53:24 AM
2 votes:

Aarontology: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

I think he used to be an exec at Dominos or Pizza Hut and bailed to start his own place a few years back.


Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan.
2012-11-16 11:31:49 AM
2 votes:

kmmontandon: Marcus Aurelius: He should spend some of that money on something useful, like a pair of lips.

Why? He seems perfectly capable of sucking Republican dick just fine without them.


True, that.
2012-11-16 11:29:35 AM
2 votes:
He should spend some of that money on something useful, like a pair of lips.
2012-11-17 08:45:52 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?

Why am I supposed to hate that?


Because it means that anybody that has or has ever had $1,600 and has not started a pizza company in the back of their father's bar is a evil dirty soshulist slacker.
2012-11-17 05:57:20 PM
1 votes:
Seriously, fark this guy. I wonder if he's even going to be around to hit the ceiling when the US finally goes single payer or heavens even Universal.
2012-11-17 12:33:36 AM
1 votes:
horrible f*cking pizza.
2012-11-17 12:23:34 AM
1 votes:
August 29, 2012
Papa John's Announces 2013 Development Incentive Program
Program offers zero franchise fee, 0% royalty for 18 months, and $50,000 in restaurant equipment for new restaurants opened through 2013

LOUISVILLE, Ky.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- In the midst of another strong year of operations and growth, including being rated tops in customer satisfaction among all national pizza chains in the prestigious American Customer Satisfaction Index, Papa John's is once again offering existing and potential franchisees an industry-leading package of incentives to join the Papa John's family. Under the company's 2013 Development Incentive Program announced today, franchisees signing development agreements in the U.S. now through 2013 under this program can receive:

No franchise fee ($25,000 value);
$50,000 in equipment, including two Middleby-Marshall ovens, which may be purchased by the franchisee for $50 after operating for three years;
A royalty waiver for up to 18 months; and
A $3,000 food credit with PJ Food Service, which operates Papa John's fresh dough and food distribution quality control centers, for each restaurant that opens at least 30 days prior to the scheduled opening date.
"Papa John's continues to be a strong and growing brand with a lot of runway remaining to grow both in the U.S. and throughout the world," said Tim O'Hern, Papa John's Chief Development Officer. "We are proud to offer this industry-leading development program to help new and existing franchisees deliver our 'Better Ingredients, Better Pizza' to an increasing number of consumers throughout the U.S."

The program is generally available for new U.S. unit development agreements signed by qualifying franchisees through Nov. 30, 2013, for new restaurant openings on or before Dec. 29, 2013. The incentives are subject to the complete rules and eligibility requirements of the program at the time of signing a development agreement. Full program details are available upon completion and review of a Franchise Application accessible at www.papajohns.com.

Headquartered in Louisville, Kentucky, Papa John's International, Inc. (NASDAQ: PZZA) is the world's third largest pizza company. For 10 of the past 12 years, consumers have rated Papa John's No. 1 in customer satisfaction among all national pizza chains in the American Customer Satisfaction Index (ACSI). Papa John's also was honored by Restaurants & Institutions Magazine (R&I) with the 2009 Gold Award for Consumers' Choice in Chains in the pizza segment. Papa John's is the Official Pizza Sponsor of the National Football League and Super Bowl XLVI and XLVII. For more information about the company or to order pizza online, visit Papa John's at www.papajohns.com.



Papa John's International, Inc.
Darryl Carr, 502-261-4318
Director, Corporate Communications
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Source: Papa John's International, Inc.

From their website, funny how he is all about the giveaways isn't it!
2012-11-17 12:15:17 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: ok, but did you carry that mentality into your real jobs? Did you ever make the switch back to carelessness?
You might be unique in that you can switch back and forth between caring or not.
Or maybe you went through a big change when you first got out, and might not have such an easy time going back?


Those were real jobs. I didn't particularly give a shiat, but the folks I worked with definitely did and busted their asses because they had kids at home and couldn't afford to lose a single hour. For them, it was serious work and serious business.

And, frankly, a monkey could do my current white collar job after a month or two of training. It's simply a cakewalk. Being promoted, so far, seems to be a matter of not shiatting yourself while sitting at your desk or yelling racist things at the cleaning crew. I don't HAVE to give a crap, because zero craps are required.

It's true that I went through a change - I got lazier. These days there's absolutely no way I'd ever work in customer service again unless the only alternative was starving to death. And then I'd probably choose throwing myself in front of a bus.

But I'm a white, educated yuppie. So I get to sit at a desk and earn more in a week than any of these Papa John's workers will see in months of working harder than I'm willing to.
2012-11-16 10:42:54 PM
1 votes:

iawai: And neither "stability" nor "equity" have been demonstrably served by any govt program since the beginning of written history.


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Look out guys, we got a real Libertarian badass here.
2012-11-16 06:56:00 PM
1 votes:
If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer." 

Hey, look. An even bigger dick.
2012-11-16 06:51:30 PM
1 votes:
Forbes did a study and it costs them like 5 cents a pizza to give their employees health care.
they think they can't absorb 5 cents a pie. that's bullshiat. they can. they just don't want to.
2012-11-16 05:56:43 PM
1 votes:
What are we really talking about here. Using http://finder.healthcare.gov and picking Papa Johns home town of Anchorage, Kentucky and a birth date in 1985., basic health coverage for and individual can be found for under 600 a year (less than $50.00 per month) . The employer is only required under the law in 2014 to pay half if I recall, so lets use greater than half and go with $500 per employee per year for single coverage. This is on sales of 1.12 Billion or not even a full percentage point in the cost of sales. The changes in the price of cheese, wheat or meat far out weigh the cost of health care, let alone the actuall costs of these commodities. The recent drop in the price of gas far out weighs any increase in the cost of a pizza. The changes in the costs to heat the pizza oven far outweigh it.........

Why is this A$$$$ hole trying to make an issue about health care which is not even mandated till 2014?
2012-11-16 05:06:00 PM
1 votes:
I'm glad I wasn't around to hear all the biatching when the 40 hour work week went into effect. Or child labor laws. Or the first minimum wage.
2012-11-16 05:01:09 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: MithrandirBooga: Capitalism is dying.

It's not dying per se. It's being killed by those that this it's the enemy.


It is neither dying nor being killed - it is simply morphing into it's proper role in society - as a social tool, rather than a social system.
free-market capitalism is a great way to make money. It's a really shiatty way to try to govern a society.
Same thing applies to socialism actually. Great social tool - lousy social system.
I realize that this is wasted on those who think their personal political and economic beliefs constitute some Grand Unified Theory of human civilization.
Which is why moderates need to be in charge.
2012-11-16 04:59:51 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Boy is there egg on my face.


I don't know what's worse, that you're consistently wrong in every thread or that you're consistently proud of how many points that you ignored or went over your head.

I mean, you're here pissing your pants with nonsense about how franchisees are totally independent business people to justify your bad math caused by not knowing how tipped wages work. Just man up, say 'oops' and move on. Christ, it's not difficult.
2012-11-16 04:48:19 PM
1 votes:
John Schnatter, who has said President Barack Obama's health care reform law will cause prices to jump by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, and has said employee hours may be scaled back.

This is the biggest load of crap. You don't raise prices because expenses go up. If I'm selling a Rusty Kuntz rookie card for five cents, and then I wreck my car, I don't mark up the card to $20,000 to pay for the car. You price your product at a level that you think will maximize profits. You raise prices to what people will pay. That's called business.

Why not raise the prices by $1.00 and give your employees a 401(k)? I mean, if sales don't drop, that is. Why not raise prices $2.00 and keep the extra money? Because it doesn't work like that and you know it. Ass.
2012-11-16 04:46:38 PM
1 votes:

muck4doo: It's a perfect left wing circle of derp from another entitled child who thinks everyone else is responsible for taking care of him. Health insurance has always been a perk employers offer, how you think it should be an entitlement backed by the government says a lot about you. Want health insurance? Find a job that offers it. If you insist on making pizzas for dirt cheap, and no health insurance, well, that's on you. There are other pizza places that do offer benefits. Go apply at one of them. If Pappa John finds no one wants to make a serious career there for lack of health insurance, he might start offering it. Insisting someone else take care of your every whim and need as an entitlement or right is setting you up for a lot of disappointment in life. We already have programs in place to help those without insurance and, you can try looking them up if you're ever bored.


Do you understand the concept of a living wage? The idea being that you can provide for yourself completely with your wages. Guess what? Health care makes that in-farking-possible for most Americans. If health insurance isn't provided by employers, the costs are astronomically high for individuals and families. And those "programs in place?" They're pretty flimsy and constantly being threatened to be defunded by Republicans who decry their very existence as rewarding the dregs of society for doing nothing. Single payer health care would be great and would mean this wouldn't be an issue, but that's off the farking table by the same assholes who 1: want to cut all government programs, 2: applaud businessmen like Crappy Pizza Man for exerting their righteous job creator powers, and 3: fail to understand that people can go bankrupt paying for their health care if they aren't part of a plan. And 4: hate Obamacare in every way.

Guess what? There's no winning for employees here as long as you defend assholes like this.
2012-11-16 04:44:57 PM
1 votes:
It occurs to me, if this guy cares this little for his employees, the people that make his money for him, he probably doesn't give a shiat about his customers either. In a just world, he would soon have neither employees nor customers.
2012-11-16 04:35:56 PM
1 votes:
Poor guy... His stock is only up 196.35% since Obama took over the White House.
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2012-11-16 04:33:43 PM
1 votes:

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Have any of you saying Domino's is worse than Papa Johns tried it in the last three years?


Usually when I don't like something, I don't buy it again.
2012-11-16 04:30:15 PM
1 votes:

Semi-Sane: RedPhoenix122: Semi-Sane: If they want to earn more they should get an education

Fine, make education more affordable in this country.

Education would be more affordable if student aid was eliminated. Unfortunately, Democrats want to keep throwing more money at schools in hopes that prices magically descend.


Jesus H Titty Farking Christ. Can we get a shrink to Fark and fast?
2012-11-16 04:27:38 PM
1 votes:

DeaH: "More than 17,000 Facebook users plan to eat at the pizza chain on Friday to support the company's founder and CEO, John Schnatter, who has said President Barack Obama's health care reform law will cause prices to jump by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, and has said employee hours may be scaled back."

Let's see. 17000 people are going to be ordering pizzas being made and delivered by people for whom they support lowered hours, cutbacks, and no health insurance. If I were one of those people ordering that political pizza, I would be afraid to eat it.


That's actually a really good point.
2012-11-16 04:25:02 PM
1 votes:

sprawl15: skullkrusher: Of course, Papa John's franchises their locations so the majority of people under "Papa" John's employ are mostly the staff necessary to maintain a large, publicly traded company - not delivery drivers. This just got terribly awkward for you.

Sure, if you're a disingenuous shiat who thinks the only number that should only be looked at solely on the corporate level rather than across franchises is average salary.


You want to call people that "Papa" John doesn't actually employ his employees? See, it isn't solely at the corporate level. Papa John's does have company owned stores. The employees there would be "Papa" John's employees in that they are actually employed by the company and their salaries count against the company's bottom line. You understand that Papa John's has 16,500 employees yet there are over 4,000 Papa John's restaurants. Can you do that math or do you see the point?

Am I actually a "disingenuous shiat" or are you just angrily lashing out because you embarrassed yourself?
2012-11-16 04:23:45 PM
1 votes:

bluenovaman: I worked for PJ's for a couple of years. They didn't pay me for shiat, I worked terrible hours and eventually got asked to leave (screwed) for asking my store manager for a letter of reference so I could move on to my after college career. Their pizza smell alone is enough to put me off food. For how "Christian" he claims to be, his organization is a scummy group to work for.


Why does it seem like the more Christian an organization is, the more dickish they are?

Maybe there are some examples to prove me wrong.
2012-11-16 04:18:21 PM
1 votes:
"More than 17,000 Facebook users plan to eat at the pizza chain on Friday to support the company's founder and CEO, John Schnatter, who has said President Barack Obama's health care reform law will cause prices to jump by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, and has said employee hours may be scaled back."

Let's see. 17000 people are going to be ordering pizzas being made and delivered by people for whom they support lowered hours, cutbacks, and no health insurance. If I were one of those people ordering that political pizza, I would be afraid to eat it.
2012-11-16 04:17:04 PM
1 votes:

Semi-Sane: or they could always take a risk and start up their own business.


Most people don't have a free lease and free use of equipment in the back of the old man's bar.
2012-11-16 04:16:59 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: What a farking shame! He'll have to match their premiums, such a damned socialist disgrace. This is why we need to repeal socialist Obamacare immediately so we can go back to the way things were, with these employees having to get their healthcare from Medicaid instead!

well, yeah.
The public wants people to have health insurance, the public should provide it - not demand that someone else do so

Do you also hate that the public demands a minimum wage?

not particularly.


Do you get a general feeling of discomfort holding those two beliefs simultaneously?
2012-11-16 04:14:21 PM
1 votes:
Papa John is paying his employees exactly the wage they are worth. Working in a pizza place doesn't require much education or any decent technical skills or abilities. If they want to earn more they should get an education and find a better job, or they could always take a risk and start up their own business.
2012-11-16 04:09:50 PM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: serial_crusher: He shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. The government should EVERYONE SHOULD BUY THEIR OWN.


wow, you've totally solved the healthcare problem we have in america.

Brilliant! Buy your own. Oh if only someone would let the poor know thats all they need to do.

You sir should run as a candidate for the tea party.
2012-11-16 04:06:34 PM
1 votes:
so did the Papa Johns in Massachusetts do this when Romney implemented his Romneycare?
2012-11-16 04:04:19 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: I'll pay the extra 14 cents per pizza if everyone will shut the fark up about this.

Jesus, the priorities of some people in this country are farked up.


I will too. But I'd rather see his dough-slinging employees' wages go up percentage-wise as much as even his middle managers, or even half as much.

Seriously, f*ckers, look at the graphs on wages for the top earners and the bottom earners. You cannot argue that this shiat is sustainable.
2012-11-16 04:02:26 PM
1 votes:
I'll pay the extra 14 cents per pizza if everyone will shut the fark up about this.

Jesus, the priorities of some people in this country are farked up.
2012-11-16 04:00:54 PM
1 votes:

ShawnDoc: You are assuming there is a good local place. I've tried all the local places, they're all horrible.


What's even more amazing is that Papa John's and Dominoes are putting successfully competing with the local pizza guys in NYC. And they are often more expensive, too, so it isn't the cheap food thing.

I mean, why are people buying that crap when you can't throw a stone without hitting someone making a competent slice?

//stoopid new yawkers
2012-11-16 03:58:54 PM
1 votes:
He is an evil rich guy, he deserves to be demonized, and like all the other dickweeds who improve their profit margin by exploiting and underpaying their workers, he needs to shut up and cover his employees' healthcare (currently paid for by you and me out of our taxes at an emergency room near you). And, like Chik-Fil-A, he's about to learn that , while there's a limit to how much money people will spend to demonstrate political sympathy, there's no limit to how much they WON'T spend to show their displeasure. If he wants to be boycotted, fine by me...
2012-11-16 03:58:26 PM
1 votes:

skepticultist: muck4doo: It's a perfect left wing circle of derp from another entitled child who thinks everyone else is responsible for taking care of him. Health insurance has always been a perk employers offer, how you think it should be an entitlement backed by the government says a lot about you... We already have programs in place to help those without insurance and, you can try looking them up if you're ever bored.

wtfamireading.jpg


A post where some bootstrappy right winger refuses to acknowledge that a business should take part in ensuring the health of their employees so that the cost is borne directly on those that use the business instead of everyone. Instead he or she wants the government too. Meanwhile, in another thread he or she is bemoaning how large government is and how much it is taxing people
2012-11-16 03:54:34 PM
1 votes:
"Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

Fighting the law? Well, now doesn't that make him a good citizen.

muck4doo: There are other pizza places that do offer benefits.

turklishtefl.com

Never worked a low-wage job in your life, have you?
2012-11-16 03:53:01 PM
1 votes:

sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?


Now now, you can't expect rightwingers to argue based on FACTS, their campaigns aren't going to be dictated to by factcheckers!
2012-11-16 03:52:21 PM
1 votes:
These "conservative claiming that Obama policy X will force them to raise prices" stories are the height of stupidity.

If they could sell their product for a higher price successfully, they would have already done it and pocketed the cash. That leaves us with two options: either A) The business is just barely breaking even and is forced to raise prices or close or B) some jackass worth $600,000,000 is asking for public sympathy in order to get people to swallow the increased costs of his business so that his profit margin can remain the same.
2012-11-16 03:48:28 PM
1 votes:
Business Owners: "OUR BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO SUFFER DUE TO OBAMACARE.

Libtards: "Maybe the Gov can provide insurance instead of you job creators. That way, you will no longer have the burden to provide insurance to your employees.

Business Owners: "YOU SHUT YOUR DIRTY COMMUNIST MOUTH"
2012-11-16 03:45:29 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: What a farking shame! He'll have to match their premiums, such a damned socialist disgrace. This is why we need to repeal socialist Obamacare immediately so we can go back to the way things were, with these employees having to get their healthcare from Medicaid instead!

well, yeah.
The public wants people to have health insurance, the public should provide it - not demand that someone else do so


Most people here would agree. Obamacare is similar to Romneycare and other Republican plans, and so had a chance to pass Congress. There was no way single-payer would have passed.
2012-11-16 03:44:50 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: What a farking shame! He'll have to match their premiums, such a damned socialist disgrace. This is why we need to repeal socialist Obamacare immediately so we can go back to the way things were, with these employees having to get their healthcare from Medicaid instead!

well, yeah.
The public wants people to have health insurance, the public should provide it - not demand that someone else do so


he's part of the public
2012-11-16 03:43:00 PM
1 votes:

ShawnDoc:

You aren't sick. If you aren't puking blood, I expect you to punch in at 4:30, and not a minute later. Look at me, I haven't missed a day of work in over 6 years. That's why I'm the manger of this here fast food chain. Just remember, mind over matter. If you don't let yourself think you are sick, you won't be sick.


Kevin, is that you?

/manager I had at a Ponderosa Steak House sounded just like that
//why yes, I AM that old....
2012-11-16 03:42:50 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: scottydoesntknow: The Left thinks we are discouraged; they think they have won. Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

So the gays are responsible for Obamacare! Of course! It all makes so much sense now.

I wonder if this guy knows that chick-fil-a gave in and the dude won't be donating to those anti-gay groups any more.


But this is so completely different. No religion or moral code says it's bad to offer people health insurance for purchase. Remember, he's not actually "giving" them anything, only subsidize their purchase.

Anyone who intentionally supports a business for its practice of screwing over employees is a sociopath, moron or both.
2012-11-16 03:42:00 PM
1 votes:
Retards wanted to keep an employer based healthcare model, this is what you get.
2012-11-16 03:41:22 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: propasaurus: So he didn't actually borrow money from his dad, he just piggy backed on his dad's success. Y'know, the Romney Plan.

Meh, this guy did well, and did it from a lot of hard work and sacrifice. His situation isn't exactly the same as a Romney or a Trump being born on third base.

That said, he's being a douche and screw him and his shiatty pizza.


That's the thing. His hard work was years ago. Now the people that work hard for him are going to get screwed so he can hoard some more money.
2012-11-16 03:40:16 PM
1 votes:

HST's Dead Carcass: His commercials bug me. Ever since last football season, they've been editing them because of the way he does the tagline.

He says: Better Ingredients *head bob* Better Pizza *head bob* *longer than normal pause* *head bob with a twist* papajohns!

I pointed it out to a buddy and it started bugging the fark out of him, too. What's funny is he can't not do it, so there's always a splice between saying pizza and Papa Johns. Always! They have to cut it because he can't not do it!


That's not even close to their most annoying/offensive commercial
2012-11-16 03:40:03 PM
1 votes:

SlothB77: Papa John doesn't know how to run his pizza business. The government should force Pizza restaurant owners to give their employees health insurance. If they don't, then our government should nationalize the pizza industry. It is for the greater good of ensuring pizza cooks and pizza delivery drivers get health insurance. After all, Obama knows how to run a pizza delivery franchise better than Papa John.


Strawman, glorious, strawman. How do I love thee? Let me count the ways...

Dude, the issue here is the guy is f*cking loaded, he'll do fine under Obamacare, he's just being a sociopathic asshole. His competition also has to bear this, so to say his business is going to take a hit is f*cking retarded, especially with his national business model. You may have been facetious about Papa John's business understanding, but believe me, I am not being facetious when I say you sure as shiat don't know how to run a business or have one f*cking clue about the economy.
2012-11-16 03:39:48 PM
1 votes:

Cup Check: Seriously, give the service industry health benefits, then next we'll give them $20.00 an hour wages. After a while, what incentive are they going to have to improve their employment? A country full of entitled fast food workers, grocery baggers, and store clerks who won't move up because it's "easy."


Yes, first it is health benefits, then it is tripling their wages. That seems reasonable, the slope actually is that slippery.

What incentive would a grocery bagger have to improve their employment? Yeah that's tough, I kinda like being a grocery bagger, it's such a great job.

We should definitely keep these jobs paying terrible wages so no one wants them because we don't actually need factory workers, store clerks, grave diggers and so on. The country runs just fine without them.
2012-11-16 03:14:19 PM
1 votes:

RedPhoenix122: GAT_00: Well clearly bootstraps would solve everything. They should buy some.

I find it hilarious that they keep using this term 'bootstrap' when they have no idea about the origin. You literally cannot pull yourself up by your bootstraps, it's physically impossible.


I think that's part of the reason they use the term.
2012-11-16 03:12:27 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Well clearly bootstraps would solve everything. They should buy some.


I find it hilarious that they keep using this term 'bootstrap' when they have no idea about the origin. You literally cannot pull yourself up by your bootstraps, it's physically impossible.
2012-11-16 03:11:20 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: WalkingCarpet: Do you realize that there are lots of people who have no other choice but to take a job making pizzas for dirt cheap?

Well clearly bootstraps would solve everything. They should buy some.

You're talking to someone who is adamantly against the government helping anyone. People like him are the reason this country is going down the shiatter, and these farktards just double down on it and insist we help even fewer people. Never mind there is no proof that not helping people magically gets them jobs when they can't find any. Never mind that the Holy Job Creators haven't created these jobs that everyone is supposed to have. These people are utterly incapable of making such a connection, and you should stop treating them with respect. They don't deserve it.


No one forces anyone to work anywhere. Slavery ended about 150 years ago. You also aren't talking about government help, you are talking about forcing others to provide a service. Don't work for them if they don't pay or give you what you think you should earn. Isn't there an article here today about how there are pizza places out there that do pay benefits? Go apply there. I also provided a link to the types of places that offer help to those who are un-insured or under-insured. If we have those kind of programs in places here like "Derp Texas", I'm sure you have them in such enlightened places like Tennessee and Connecticut.
2012-11-16 03:03:25 PM
1 votes:

WalkingCarpet: Do you realize that there are lots of people who have no other choice but to take a job making pizzas for dirt cheap?


Well clearly bootstraps would solve everything. They should buy some.

You're talking to someone who is adamantly against the government helping anyone. People like him are the reason this country is going down the shiatter, and these farktards just double down on it and insist we help even fewer people. Never mind there is no proof that not helping people magically gets them jobs when they can't find any. Never mind that the Holy Job Creators haven't created these jobs that everyone is supposed to have. These people are utterly incapable of making such a connection, and you should stop treating them with respect. They don't deserve it.
2012-11-16 02:39:14 PM
1 votes:

EnviroDude: He should just raise the prices. The poor people that order there fully understand why their food will cost an extra $0.50


I'm sure that the people who order there would "fully understand why their food will cost an extra $0.50" if they released a statement like, "We want to provide the best quality of healthcare for our employees that we can. We've looked at the numbers and found that we can accomplish this by only raising the price of our pizza $.50. We hope you agree that this minimal increase is worthwhile when it comes to the HEALTH OF THE PEOPLE TOUCHING YOUR FOOD."
2012-11-16 01:51:28 PM
1 votes:
Nothing wrong with being rich. Being greedy, on the other hand...
2012-11-16 01:48:33 PM
1 votes:

JerseyTim: It's unbelievable that you can make $600 million selling shiatty pizza.


Yeah, but it's shiatty pizza that you can order over the internet easily. Plus, the garlic dipping sauce, dude, the garlic dipping sauce.
2012-11-16 01:37:04 PM
1 votes:
I prefer Papa Murphy over Papa John. That shiat is delicious.
2012-11-16 01:35:09 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Purgatory? I wish. I'm a lawyer, which pretty much guarantees I am already on the greased slide to the 666th plane of the Abyss


Lawyer?! Holy shiat dude! I thought you were a piano player in a whorehouse...you know respectable.

(BTW...I was talking to another ball washing bastard in your nape of the woods...neck of the wape and when I come down we all go have ersters and beers)
2012-11-16 01:29:27 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: Aarontology: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

I think he used to be an exec at Dominos or Pizza Hut and bailed to start his own place a few years back.

Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan.


I think that was Jimmy Johns.
2012-11-16 01:10:34 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: gilgigamesh: Meh, this guy did well, and did it from a lot of hard work and sacrifice

Dude...you are SO going to smoke a turd in Purgatory for that admission.


Purgatory? I wish. I'm a lawyer, which pretty much guarantees I am already on the greased slide to the 666th plane of the Abyss
2012-11-16 01:02:44 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Meh, this guy did well, and did it from a lot of hard work and sacrifice


Dude...you are SO going to smoke a turd in Purgatory for that admission.
2012-11-16 12:58:43 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Nothing makes a shiatty frozen pizza taste better than knowing someone with a bad case of the flu made it and handed it off to a delivery person with untreated scabies!


Dude, I bought a Trader Joe's frozen pizza last night... it was farkin' AWESOME!
2012-11-16 12:58:33 PM
1 votes:
In solidarity with John H. Schnatter, we propose that November, 16th, 2012 be National Papa John's Appreciation Day. The Left thinks we are discouraged; they think they have won. Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."


If these righties keep spiking their blood pressure by feeding all this anger with junk food "protests" they are going to be pretty thankful for Obamacare.
2012-11-16 12:54:31 PM
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Meh, this guy did well, and did it from a lot of hard work and sacrifice. His situation isn't exactly the same as a Romney or a Trump being born on third base.

That said, he's being a douche and screw him and his shiatty pizza.


Exactly. Being a bootstrapper doesn't inoculate you from criticism for screwing over your workers because of a smallish increase in business expense.
2012-11-16 12:50:30 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: So he didn't actually borrow money from his dad, he just piggy backed on his dad's success. Y'know, the Romney Plan.


Meh, this guy did well, and did it from a lot of hard work and sacrifice. His situation isn't exactly the same as a Romney or a Trump being born on third base.

That said, he's being a douche and screw him and his shiatty pizza.
2012-11-16 12:49:30 PM
1 votes:
it's official.. Sloth stopped taking his meds after the election.
2012-11-16 12:46:11 PM
1 votes:

WalkingCarpet: Are there any wealthy Republicans out there that aren't stereotypical mustache-twirling villains?


Mark Cuban, maybe?

Nit sure he' s a republican though.
2012-11-16 12:08:07 PM
1 votes:

Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?


Why am I supposed to hate that?
2012-11-16 11:39:09 AM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: The Left thinks we are discouraged; they think they have won. Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

So the gays are responsible for Obamacare! Of course! It all makes so much sense now.


I wonder if this guy knows that chick-fil-a gave in and the dude won't be donating to those anti-gay groups any more.
 
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