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(Politico)   "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour and is doing a $30M "free pizza" promotion is upset that he has to spend $8M to provide his employees with healthcare   (politico.com) divider line 706
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2012-11-16 10:03:38 PM

jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.


It's hard to explain to people who refuse to listen that even if the government isn't giving you a tangible object you can hold, you are still benefiting from it.
 
2012-11-16 10:16:14 PM
"All you're going to do when you do a boycott is hurt employees," he said.

Um, Papa John's is cutting their hours if we follow your plan, bud. So which hurts them more? Being bored for a few weeks, or ending up in working poverty?

/I've seen one. And trust me, boredom? Ain't the problem.
 
2012-11-16 10:17:27 PM

jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.


It's not "society" if it's forced. The term society implies cooperation and free interaction.

Work safety standards could be much better enforced by competing "employee safety organizations" than by OSHA and the like. Forced compliance isn't the only way to get nice things, nor is it the best way, economically or morally.
 
2012-11-16 10:19:12 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.

It's hard to explain to people who refuse to listen that even if the government isn't giving you a tangible object you can hold, you are still benefiting from it.


It's even harder to explain that the opportunity cost of that "govt benefit" is immeasurably larger than the benefit you receive.
 
2012-11-16 10:19:54 PM

imapirate: kobrakai: The nice thing is that here in Louisville (he lives in Anchorage, a small city within Louisville Metro) we have so many other GREAT pizza options.

Coals - Amazing pizza made with a coal-fired oven
Pappalino's - Not quite but almost NY pizza with good, local, home-made toppings
Caffe Classico
Cafe LouLou
Mellow Mushroom
New Albanian which serves really good pizza and they make INCREDIBLE BEER
Garage Bar

Screw Schnatter.

This list fails without Impellizzeri's.

/also, screw Schnatter


I just don't do much of the "piled-high" pizza. I only prefer thick pie if it's Chicago style and man, do I miss Windy City. They'd prebake the bottom crust before making the pizza and you could get it by the slice at luch. It was soooo good [insert James Franco pic].
 
2012-11-16 10:25:04 PM

iawai: jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.

It's not "society" if it's forced.


This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.


The term society implies cooperation and free interaction.


Except for those who don't respect the society, then we need to make rules and apply them. We, as a society, have designated people to make the rules for us and enforce them.


Work safety standards could be much better enforced by competing "employee safety organizations" than by OSHA and the like. Forced compliance isn't the only way to get nice things, nor is it the best way, economically or morally.


If this were true then workplace safety laws and OSHA wouldn't be needed in the first place. Historically those who pay for labor have been assholes about it, so we had to make rules.
 
2012-11-16 10:25:53 PM

iawai: YoungSwedishBlonde: jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.

It's hard to explain to people who refuse to listen that even if the government isn't giving you a tangible object you can hold, you are still benefiting from it.

It's even harder to explain that the opportunity cost of that "govt benefit" is immeasurably larger than the benefit you receive.


This is an opinion, the majority of us (in the case of health care reform) disagree with you.
 
2012-11-16 10:27:54 PM

Jaws_Victim: In a perfect world: (Example, the PAST AMERICAN WORKFORCE) Companies and employees worked together to ensure the betterment of the company and business. A company paid their worker a wage which ensured they were able to survive and have a nice middle class life, the worker repaid the employee with hard work and devoted service, crafting his or her expertise to maximise efficiency. They were eventually able to retire with honors and a pension.

Now, companies only care bout how much profit they can generate. Workers are paid minimum wage, often given less than 30 hours a week, and no benefits. Labor unions sprung up to combat the growing greed of the company and now are just another form of corporation that exists to take money from the hard workers and line the pockets of the people above them.

This is not right. The right wing trolls can scream as loudly as they want about bootstraps and freedom, but at the end of the day, having to work as hard as you can and not even scraping by is a miserable existence that has absolutely no place in what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth to live and work in.


Minimum wage jobs were never meant to be appealing. It took me about 4 years and twenty nametags to reverse my decision about joining up with the military, but I owe that decision to a series of go nowhere minimum wage jobs. Even the wage title implies what one should expect- minimum: only that which by law have your employers been sanctioned to pay.

Delivering newspapers at 12: bootstrappy
Getting one's GED: bootstrappy
Landing a minimum wage job and maintaining decent grades while attending school: bootstrappy
After two years of night shift stocking and finally being moved to dayshift due to your exceptional skills as a stocker? Seriously, you still stocking shelves two years after settling into the labor force?
 
2012-11-16 10:28:18 PM

iawai: It's even harder to explain that the opportunity cost of that "govt benefit" is immeasurably larger than the benefit you receive.


Well when you place no value in a country that is stable and equitable, then sure.
 
2012-11-16 10:31:32 PM
I was at WallyWorld one day and heard two employees talking in the next aisle. One of them was coughing this wet, sputum spraying cough.
Worker One: You sound horrible
Sick Worker: Yeah, the clinic said I have pneumonia and that I am contagious.
Worker One: Shouldn't you be at home?
Sick Worker: I can't afford to take the days off (hack, hack) Besides, I can get the antibiotic filled when pay day gets here.
Worker One: That isn't for another week. What are you going to do?
Sick Worker: Keep working.


Go Walmart
 
2012-11-16 10:36:14 PM

jst3p: iawai: jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.

It's not "society" if it's forced.

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read.


The term society implies cooperation and free interaction.

Except for those who don't respect the society, then we need to make rules and apply them. We, as a society, have designated people to make the rules for us and enforce them.


Work safety standards could be much better enforced by competing "employee safety organizations" than by OSHA and the like. Forced compliance isn't the only way to get nice things, nor is it the best way, economically or morally.

If this were true then workplace safety laws and OSHA wouldn't be needed in the first place. Historically those who pay for labor have been assholes about it, so we had to make rules.


Those who "don't respect society" are precisely those who initiate force to get what they want. They call themselves either robbers or rulers, one class is vilified, and one class is deified.

You want data on workplace safety before and after OSHA? OSHA did NOTHING to affect the fall of workplace accidents and injuries that had been in a precipitous decline before it was founded.

Who is this "we" that you say are making the rules? Is it me and you?
 
2012-11-16 10:36:26 PM
the company's founder and CEO, John Schnatter, who has said President Barack Obama's health care reform law will cause prices to jump by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, and has said employee hours may be scaled back.

Um... did he say something else? Because "hey, our running costs are about to go up by a fairly small amount, we're going to raise prices a small amount (10 cents a pizza is like 1% max) to maintain our target revenue" doesn't sound upset so much as it sounds like he's just basically a responsible business owner. At least in this quote, he's not claiming he's being "hurt" at all, just that prices will need to compensate for new costs.

Basically, there must be something I'm missing here, because that sounds reasonable enough to me. Companies adjust product unit price to balance new costs all the time.
 
2012-11-16 10:37:23 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: iawai: It's even harder to explain that the opportunity cost of that "govt benefit" is immeasurably larger than the benefit you receive.

Well when you place no value in a country that is stable and equitable, then sure.


I place great value in such a thing. And neither "stability" nor "equity" have been demonstrably served by any govt program since the beginning of written history.
 
2012-11-16 10:39:09 PM

jst3p: iawai: YoungSwedishBlonde: jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.

It's hard to explain to people who refuse to listen that even if the government isn't giving you a tangible object you can hold, you are still benefiting from it.

It's even harder to explain that the opportunity cost of that "govt benefit" is immeasurably larger than the benefit you receive.

This is an opinion, the majority of us (in the case of health care reform) disagree with you.


Great, donate your funds to an unaccountable bureaucracy that holds a monopoly in picking and choosing insurers and providers and demanding obedience, and let me and my "minority" go about our peaceful way, donating to charities, helping our fellow man, and not getting in your way at all.
 
2012-11-16 10:41:38 PM

Jim_Callahan: the company's founder and CEO, John Schnatter, who has said President Barack Obama's health care reform law will cause prices to jump by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, and has said employee hours may be scaled back.

Um... did he say something else? Because "hey, our running costs are about to go up by a fairly small amount, we're going to raise prices a small amount (10 cents a pizza is like 1% max) to maintain our target revenue" doesn't sound upset so much as it sounds like he's just basically a responsible business owner. At least in this quote, he's not claiming he's being "hurt" at all, just that prices will need to compensate for new costs.

Basically, there must be something I'm missing here, because that sounds reasonable enough to me. Companies adjust product unit price to balance new costs all the time.


BUT HE HAS A BIG HOUSE!!! AND HIS EMPLOYEES HAVE SMALL HOUSES!!!
 
2012-11-16 10:42:54 PM

iawai: And neither "stability" nor "equity" have been demonstrably served by any govt program since the beginning of written history.


i49.tinypic.com

Look out guys, we got a real Libertarian badass here.
 
2012-11-16 10:46:59 PM

Medusa's Daughter: I was at WallyWorld one day and heard two employees talking in the next aisle. One of them was coughing this wet, sputum spraying cough.
Worker One: You sound horrible
Sick Worker: Yeah, the clinic said I have pneumonia and that I am contagious.
Worker One: Shouldn't you be at home?
Sick Worker: I can't afford to take the days off (hack, hack) Besides, I can get the antibiotic filled when pay day gets here.
Worker One: That isn't for another week. What are you going to do?
Sick Worker: Keep working.
Worker One: So I guess I won't be seeing you at Alex's party tonight...
Sick Worker: *hack* You funny, brah.
Worker One: Whatever- see ya after shift. And dude,,, don't forget the beer this time.
Sick Worker: *knucklebumps* Ya got me brah, be by around ten.
Go Walmart

 
2012-11-16 10:48:14 PM

iawai: jst3p: iawai: YoungSwedishBlonde: jst3p: iawai: But hey, just because someone made a bunch of money from willing customers with the help of willing employees means we can demand under threat of jail that they spend their money how we think it should be spent

We already do that when we require work safety standards for just one example. This is how society works.

It's hard to explain to people who refuse to listen that even if the government isn't giving you a tangible object you can hold, you are still benefiting from it.

It's even harder to explain that the opportunity cost of that "govt benefit" is immeasurably larger than the benefit you receive.

This is an opinion, the majority of us (in the case of health care reform) disagree with you.

Great, donate your funds to an unaccountable bureaucracy that holds a monopoly in picking and choosing insurers and providers and demanding obedience, and let me and my "minority" go about our peaceful way, donating to charities, helping our fellow man, and not getting in your way at all.


You are free to stop participating anytime you want. It is a large society and most of us are going to have to take good with the bad.
 
2012-11-16 10:53:10 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: iawai: And neither "stability" nor "equity" have been demonstrably served by any govt program since the beginning of written history.

[i49.tinypic.com image 800x853]

Look out guys, we got a real Libertarian badass here.


I am betting 22, lives at home, liberal arts major. Has student loans.
 
2012-11-16 10:54:56 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Anyone else been personally boycotting them for over at least 10 years on grounds of a terrible product?


I am boycotting them cuz I'm black. U know, like Obama.

/hates Papa John pizza.....it sucks
//just kidding about the boycotting cuz I'm black
///their pizza does suck. Not kidding about that.
 
2012-11-16 10:58:04 PM

I alone am best: Whiskey Pete: We should take Papa John and the Denny's guy and make them eat their own food.

FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK.

I would gladly eat Denny's food for a week.

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So it doesn't matter if some of their franchise owners are socially irresponsible assholes who ignore the Constitution, you'd give them your money. Gladly, it sounds like.

M'kay...
 
2012-11-16 11:00:10 PM

jst3p: I am betting 22, lives at home, liberal arts major. Has student loans.


Well at least then he's still probably under his parent's health insurance plan. I'd love to see how much he thinks of his individualism when he has to go out into the real world.
 
2012-11-16 11:00:15 PM
I'm tired of hearing stories like this. Why is it legal to threaten layoffs or whatnot based on the outcome of an election? Can I send a letter warning my renters that "if" a certain ballot measure doesn't pass, I'll have to raise their rent because my property taxes are going to increase?

In my opinion, if you're going to send out a letter like that, (trying to pressure a vote out of someone) then you should have to prove it. Bring in an outside accountant to review your financials and confirm that your math works, and that you're not just trying to coerce votes.

I believe in the free market, and I believe a business owner should be allowed to make his own decisions. If you want to raise the cost of your pizza or moons-over-my-hammie because you're in a pissy mood, fine. That's your right. Just effing DO it and don't act like being a boss means you can pressure your employees to vote the way you want.
 
2012-11-16 11:01:44 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: jst3p: I am betting 22, lives at home, liberal arts major. Has student loans.

Well at least then he's still probably under his parent's health insurance plan. I'd love to see how much he thinks of his individualism when he has to go out into the real world.


You two are giving that straw man a pretty good beating.
 
2012-11-16 11:03:05 PM

teeny: I'm tired of hearing stories like this. Why is it legal to threaten layoffs or whatnot based on the outcome of an election? Can I send a letter warning my renters that "if" a certain ballot measure doesn't pass, I'll have to raise their rent because my property taxes are going to increase?

In my opinion, if you're going to send out a letter like that, (trying to pressure a vote out of someone) then you should have to prove it. Bring in an outside accountant to review your financials and confirm that your math works, and that you're not just trying to coerce votes.

I believe in the free market, and I believe a business owner should be allowed to make his own decisions. If you want to raise the cost of your pizza or moons-over-my-hammie because you're in a pissy mood, fine. That's your right. Just effing DO it and don't act like being a boss means you can pressure your employees to vote the way you want.


Elections have consequences. It's good for children to understand that.
 
2012-11-16 11:11:25 PM
Honestly, it's good to know that someone is probably embezzling the fark out of this guy's finances. The karmic wheel often turns that way.
 
2012-11-16 11:15:31 PM

Jaws_Victim: In a perfect world: (Example, the PAST AMERICAN WORKFORCE) Companies and employees worked together to ensure the betterment of the company and business. A company paid their worker a wage which ensured they were able to survive and have a nice middle class life, the worker repaid the employee with hard work and devoted service, crafting his or her expertise to maximise efficiency. They were eventually able to retire with honors and a pension.

Now, companies only care bout how much profit they can generate. Workers are paid minimum wage, often given less than 30 hours a week, and no benefits. Labor unions sprung up to combat the growing greed of the company and now are just another form of corporation that exists to take money from the hard workers and line the pockets of the people above them.

This is not right. The right wing trolls can scream as loudly as they want about bootstraps and freedom, but at the end of the day, having to work as hard as you can and not even scraping by is a miserable existence that has absolutely no place in what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth to live and work in.


It's beginning to look a lot like another era in American history. Hm, see if I can put my finger on it....oh yeah...the Industrial Revolution. When labor was seen as just another cog in the machines that were "revolutionizing" America, and the big moneymakers were the bosses who put in the large sums of money needed to start up the factories (the "capital") and young men and immigrants were pouring in to the cities (which hadn't really existed anywhere before then) to fill the need for unskilled workers (the "labor") to run these machines at a low but steady wage (which also hadn't really existed before) in jobs that didn't really require any training or apprenticeship, just a desire to earn and an ability to stand in one place and do rote work.

Now, as I recall history, this led to a lot of exploitation by those same bosses of those same laborers; which led to the development of unions to protect the workers' rights (good) and some other developments, like political parties that thought they should organize whole nations to protect the rights of the workers (those didn't work out so well). And it led some bosses to figure that it might be easier just to give their workers better conditions, better pay, and some protection in their contracts so they didn't have to be forced to do it by the government or the unions. And also because happy workers stayed with the company all their lives and the bosses didn't have to keep training workers to do the same jobs over and over again; and smarter workers could be moved up into positions of greater responsibility, having proven their loyalty to the company.

Then something happened; if memory serves, it was along in the 1980's, when some extra-greedy wannabe bosses started buying up old companies with money they didn't really have and fattening their profits by cutting wages and eliminating all those nice extras the old bosses had been giving their loyal employees, because there were lots of jobs and why couldn't unhappy employees just go find other jobs, right? And that fitted in with the general tenor of the times that if people weren't happy, they should find something that made them feel better instead of working to fix what was wrong in their lives. Follow your bliss, man. And there was all this new stuff happening right around then and a lot of people didn't understand it and a lot of younger people did and it was easier to hire younger (cheaper) people than to train older (and more expensive) people to figure it out.

And somehow here we are doing the same thing all over again--we've got bosses putting in large sums of money and poor people and immigrants willing to do the unskilled labor on the cheap without benefits; and no regulations that really cover them. And--again--we're building up to some ugly-looking revolutions that may or may not turn out so well. Something something repeating the past, right? Is it really worth it to rehash all this? Are we really going to blame "immigrants" and "lazy people" AGAIN like we did in the 20's and 30's? I mean, we can if you want to, if it makes everyone feel better; but I doubt it will work better this time than it did last time.
 
2012-11-16 11:17:25 PM

Silly Jesus: YoungSwedishBlonde: jst3p: I am betting 22, lives at home, liberal arts major. Has student loans.

Well at least then he's still probably under his parent's health insurance plan. I'd love to see how much he thinks of his individualism when he has to go out into the real world.

You two are giving that straw man a pretty good beating.


Considering that I've been called a lazy taker just looking for a handout because I voted for Obama, I'll respond in kind to those who continue to espouse this BS.
 
2012-11-16 11:18:55 PM

Gyrfalcon: Jaws_Victim: In a perfect world: (Example, the PAST AMERICAN WORKFORCE) Companies and employees worked together to ensure the betterment of the company and business. A company paid their worker a wage which ensured they were able to survive and have a nice middle class life, the worker repaid the employee with hard work and devoted service, crafting his or her expertise to maximise efficiency. They were eventually able to retire with honors and a pension.

Now, companies only care bout how much profit they can generate. Workers are paid minimum wage, often given less than 30 hours a week, and no benefits. Labor unions sprung up to combat the growing greed of the company and now are just another form of corporation that exists to take money from the hard workers and line the pockets of the people above them.

This is not right. The right wing trolls can scream as loudly as they want about bootstraps and freedom, but at the end of the day, having to work as hard as you can and not even scraping by is a miserable existence that has absolutely no place in what is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth to live and work in.

It's beginning to look a lot like another era in American history. Hm, see if I can put my finger on it....oh yeah...the Industrial Revolution. When labor was seen as just another cog in the machines that were "revolutionizing" America, and the big moneymakers were the bosses who put in the large sums of money needed to start up the factories (the "capital") and young men and immigrants were pouring in to the cities (which hadn't really existed anywhere before then) to fill the need for unskilled workers (the "labor") to run these machines at a low but steady wage (which also hadn't really existed before) in jobs that didn't really require any training or apprenticeship, just a desire to earn and an ability to stand in one place and do rote work.

Now, as I recall history, this led to a lot of exploitation by those same bosses of those same labor ...


What?
 
2012-11-16 11:24:12 PM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You know, when the pizza shows up undercooked and oversugared, then I gotta listen to yet another whiney-ass rich guy moan about how hard his life is, fark him and his sweet gravy.

He better start investing in frozen pizza manufacturers.

Try living one month on the wages you pay your workers. Rent an apartment, buy groceries, get sick and pay for your health care, Johnny.


Go read "Nickle and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenrich. She spends several months at various entry level jobs, like Wal-Mart, and tries to live on their wages while living as frugally as possible, without resorting to her credit cards or checking account. You can only guess how well that goes.
 
2012-11-16 11:25:48 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You know, when the pizza shows up undercooked and oversugared, then I gotta listen to yet another whiney-ass rich guy moan about how hard his life is, fark him and his sweet gravy.

He better start investing in frozen pizza manufacturers.

Try living one month on the wages you pay your workers. Rent an apartment, buy groceries, get sick and pay for your health care, Johnny.

Go read "Nickle and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenrich. She spends several months at various entry level jobs, like Wal-Mart, and tries to live on their wages while living as frugally as possible, without resorting to her credit cards or checking account. You can only guess how well that goes.


Why didn't she just borrow money from her parents?
 
2012-11-16 11:34:14 PM

kyrg: Because it's not his choice, He's being forced.

Now, if he was a 15 year old girl seeking an abortion being forced by the government to do something against her choice like, tell her parents, that would bring thousands out in the streets.

The lefts moral relativism will be its down fall.


Precisely! Having to pay more money for your employees health care is exactly the same as forcing a minor to have an abortion! Thanks for pointing that out! Also, since the government can't force abortions on anyone, your comparison makes even less f*cking sense!
 
2012-11-16 11:35:33 PM
i'm proud to say i didn't put one cent in that dooshbags pocket. i patronize local non-chain pizzerias owned & run by real goombahs, complete with brown people in the back room doing the dirty work.
 
2012-11-16 11:39:03 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: FuryOfFirestorm: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You know, when the pizza shows up undercooked and oversugared, then I gotta listen to yet another whiney-ass rich guy moan about how hard his life is, fark him and his sweet gravy.

He better start investing in frozen pizza manufacturers.

Try living one month on the wages you pay your workers. Rent an apartment, buy groceries, get sick and pay for your health care, Johnny.

Go read "Nickle and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenrich. She spends several months at various entry level jobs, like Wal-Mart, and tries to live on their wages while living as frugally as possible, without resorting to her credit cards or checking account. You can only guess how well that goes.

Why didn't she just borrow money from her parents?


Or get a second job? Or obtain skills that are worth more than part time minimum wage?
 
2012-11-16 11:39:19 PM

badaboom: clowncar on fire: Peter von Nostrand: Employers are pissed that they can't keep passing off their responsibility to their employees to the rest of society. And yet these are the same people that biatch because the hospital tax for their county hospital keeps going up year after year and Medicare/Medicaid costs keep going up and up

Not shocking. At all

It's your parents who should be taking care of your needs, not some stranger that, by mutual contract, payed money for your labors. They brought you into world, they can take care of you.
No wait- the govermnent is suppose to take care of you- isn't that why you voted? i took care of you now where's mine?
Surely someone out there is responsible for your care, somebody. Any takers?

Hi. I make this product. Currently it costs me a $1.00 to make. I sell it for $1.25 so I am doing pretty well. But now the government wants me to provide X to each of my workers at a cost of .20 cents per product more in expense. So now it costs me $1.20 to make the product. So what are my choices? Well, I could just lower my profit margins to 5 cents per product. But that would affect my stock holders and my ability to reinvest in the company. Oh, and my profit margin is directly responsible for my ability to raise capital. Lower my margin and my interest rates go up. But, it is a choice. Or I could pass the cost onto the consumer, I'll start charging $1.45. Hmm, but that might lower sales and make me less competitive. Or I could lower the salaries and benefits of my employees. Hmm, but that might make it less attractive to work for my company, I may have a hard time hiring people. The good thing is, in a free farking country I get to decide what I want to do. Me. Not you. Want to make decisions like this? Become me.


Just raise the price of the item to $2.00. I'm more than willing to pay a little extra if it means that your employees get decent health care.
 
2012-11-16 11:44:40 PM

Silly Jesus: YoungSwedishBlonde: FuryOfFirestorm: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You know, when the pizza shows up undercooked and oversugared, then I gotta listen to yet another whiney-ass rich guy moan about how hard his life is, fark him and his sweet gravy.

He better start investing in frozen pizza manufacturers.

Try living one month on the wages you pay your workers. Rent an apartment, buy groceries, get sick and pay for your health care, Johnny.

Go read "Nickle and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenrich. She spends several months at various entry level jobs, like Wal-Mart, and tries to live on their wages while living as frugally as possible, without resorting to her credit cards or checking account. You can only guess how well that goes.

Why didn't she just borrow money from her parents?

Or get a second job? Or obtain skills that are worth more than part time minimum wage?


It must be nice to live in such a simple world where everyone can just do whatever they want.
 
2012-11-16 11:47:07 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: badaboom: clowncar on fire: Peter von Nostrand: Employers are pissed that they can't keep passing off their responsibility to their employees to the rest of society. And yet these are the same people that biatch because the hospital tax for their county hospital keeps going up year after year and Medicare/Medicaid costs keep going up and up

Not shocking. At all

It's your parents who should be taking care of your needs, not some stranger that, by mutual contract, payed money for your labors. They brought you into world, they can take care of you.
No wait- the govermnent is suppose to take care of you- isn't that why you voted? i took care of you now where's mine?
Surely someone out there is responsible for your care, somebody. Any takers?

Hi. I make this product. Currently it costs me a $1.00 to make. I sell it for $1.25 so I am doing pretty well. But now the government wants me to provide X to each of my workers at a cost of .20 cents per product more in expense. So now it costs me $1.20 to make the product. So what are my choices? Well, I could just lower my profit margins to 5 cents per product. But that would affect my stock holders and my ability to reinvest in the company. Oh, and my profit margin is directly responsible for my ability to raise capital. Lower my margin and my interest rates go up. But, it is a choice. Or I could pass the cost onto the consumer, I'll start charging $1.45. Hmm, but that might lower sales and make me less competitive. Or I could lower the salaries and benefits of my employees. Hmm, but that might make it less attractive to work for my company, I may have a hard time hiring people. The good thing is, in a free farking country I get to decide what I want to do. Me. Not you. Want to make decisions like this? Become me.

Just raise the price of the item to $2.00. I'm more than willing to pay a little extra if it means that your employees get decent health care.


You aren't the majority of people. If his product was sitting next to a similar product that was .50 cheaper, you and most people would buy the other product. Should he put up a sign saying that his shiat is more expensive because he's passing along the cost of healthcare to the consumer?
 
2012-11-16 11:50:50 PM

Silly Jesus: Or get a second job?


What if she had something that would prohibit her from a second job? Bad job market? A child? And a second job doesn't necessarily mean financial security either. I work a second job to help pay for my healthcare but even then, if something serious were to happen, I'd probably have to declare bankruptcy.

Silly Jesus: Or obtain skills that are worth more than part time minimum wage?


Because obtaining those skills requires no money or time. You know, time that you say they should be working a 2nd job.
 
2012-11-16 11:51:57 PM
AND his pizza is mediocre.
 
2012-11-16 11:51:59 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: Or get a second job?

What if she had something that would prohibit her from a second job? Bad job market? A child? And a second job doesn't necessarily mean financial security either. I work a second job to help pay for my healthcare but even then, if something serious were to happen, I'd probably have to declare bankruptcy.

Silly Jesus: Or obtain skills that are worth more than part time minimum wage?

Because obtaining those skills requires no money or time. You know, time that you say they should be working a 2nd job.


I guess it's just impossible for anyone to make it then. Give up.
 
2012-11-16 11:53:04 PM

Silly Jesus: You aren't the majority of people. If his product was sitting next to a similar product that was .50 cheaper, you and most people would buy the other product. Should he put up a sign saying that his shiat is more expensive because he's passing along the cost of healthcare to the consumer?


Sure, but that doesn't really matter when the company supplying the product that is cheaper is also shouldered with the cost of healthcare for its employees.
 
2012-11-16 11:53:51 PM

Silly Jesus: YoungSwedishBlonde: FuryOfFirestorm: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: You know, when the pizza shows up undercooked and oversugared, then I gotta listen to yet another whiney-ass rich guy moan about how hard his life is, fark him and his sweet gravy.

He better start investing in frozen pizza manufacturers.

Try living one month on the wages you pay your workers. Rent an apartment, buy groceries, get sick and pay for your health care, Johnny.

Go read "Nickle and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenrich. She spends several months at various entry level jobs, like Wal-Mart, and tries to live on their wages while living as frugally as possible, without resorting to her credit cards or checking account. You can only guess how well that goes.

Why didn't she just borrow money from her parents?

Or get a second job? Or obtain skills that are worth more than part time minimum wage?


A lot of the time, she was juggling two jobs and still not making it. And she has a Ph.D in biology, but her focus was on entry level jobs. Here's a brief rundown of her book with more details:

Link
 
2012-11-16 11:56:31 PM

Silly Jesus: I guess it's just impossible for anyone to make it then. Give up.


I guess that everyone that is receiving help from the government is just lazy. We should give up those programs.
 
2012-11-16 11:56:33 PM
Businessmen don't created jobs. Consumers do.
 
2012-11-16 11:57:09 PM
"All you're going to do when you do a boycott is hurt employees," he said.

Hooray for using people that helped make you rich as human shields!

The cost of ingredients fluctuates. The cost of fuel to receive ingredients fluctuates. The cost of doing business fluctuates in many aspects. If you decide to make a political statement about how something that increases the cost of your pizza by $0.05/pie, and won't take effect for another 13 months is somehow strangling you, then you are not motivated by business, but rather by a tantrum resulting from not getting your way in the latest election.

fark you, Mr. John's. I'll not buy another of your pizzas, which I only bought when drunk with my roommate and friends when we didn't want to go anywhere at 1AM, but still.
 
2012-11-16 11:58:44 PM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: You aren't the majority of people. If his product was sitting next to a similar product that was .50 cheaper, you and most people would buy the other product. Should he put up a sign saying that his shiat is more expensive because he's passing along the cost of healthcare to the consumer?

Sure, but that doesn't really matter when the company supplying the product that is cheaper is also shouldered with the cost of healthcare for its employees.


Not if they happen to have less than 50 employees...or chose to devalue their stock rather than raising the price etc.
 
2012-11-17 12:00:20 AM

YoungSwedishBlonde: Silly Jesus: I guess it's just impossible for anyone to make it then. Give up.

I guess that everyone that is receiving help from the government is just lazy. We should give up those programs.


Unless you're truly disabled, over 70ish or under 18, sure.
 
2012-11-17 12:00:37 AM

Silly Jesus: You aren't the majority of people. If his product was sitting next to a similar product that was .50 cheaper, you and most people would buy the other product. Should he put up a sign saying that his shiat is more expensive because he's passing along the cost of healthcare to the consumer?


He should. It's good PR. I've always opened my wallet wider for businesses that give back to the community, help the environment and give a f*ck about their workers.

It's a damn shame that the CEO of a company can make billions of dollars a year sitting in an office for a few hours a day, while his workers bust their asses for +40 hours a week and still not make enough to live off of (and I'm talking the basics necessities, not fleets of Escalades and lobster dinners every night, like the GOP thinks that the lower class is getting with food stamps).
 
2012-11-17 12:01:05 AM

Bucky Katt: Businessmen don't created jobs. Consumers do.


www.miataturbo.net
 
2012-11-17 12:04:02 AM

Silly Jesus: Jim_Callahan: the company's founder and CEO, John Schnatter, who has said President Barack Obama's health care reform law will cause prices to jump by 11 to 14 cents per pizza, and has said employee hours may be scaled back.

Um... did he say something else? Because "hey, our running costs are about to go up by a fairly small amount, we're going to raise prices a small amount (10 cents a pizza is like 1% max) to maintain our target revenue" doesn't sound upset so much as it sounds like he's just basically a responsible business owner. At least in this quote, he's not claiming he's being "hurt" at all, just that prices will need to compensate for new costs.

Basically, there must be something I'm missing here, because that sounds reasonable enough to me. Companies adjust product unit price to balance new costs all the time.

BUT HE HAS A BIG HOUSE!!! AND HIS EMPLOYEES HAVE SMALL HOUSES!!!


No offense, but you're one of the dumbest farking idiots I've ever seen on fark.

Wait, sorry. Yeah on second thought, I totally meant to offend you.
 
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