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(Politico)   "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour and is doing a $30M "free pizza" promotion is upset that he has to spend $8M to provide his employees with healthcare   (politico.com) divider line 706
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2012-11-16 05:42:52 PM

sprawl15: Feel free to keep bringing up stuff that I don't care about, though, it does make me titter so.


Yeah, like this:

skullkrusher: sorry, I thought the point wouldn't have been lost on you. My bad for assuming so much from you. See, $6.16 is not that far below $7. Any food establishment I've worked at has a good bit more in house staff than they do delivery drivers plus all the corporate support and that sort of thing... can you figure it out now?

of course, this is moot because the people who work at the franchises aren't actually employed by "Papa" John - it's just another way of looking at the discussion in which you're also likely wrong.


I explain to you how averages work, then you come back to me having rediscovered it thanks to the internet and declare that I was wrong the whole time.

/titter
 
2012-11-16 05:45:04 PM

I alone am best: Whiskey Pete: We should take Papa John and the Denny's guy and make them eat their own food.

FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK.

I would gladly eat Denny's food for a week.

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Wow even their promotional photos don't look appetizing.
 
2012-11-16 05:46:33 PM

Mrtraveler01: jst3p: I am not in favor of ending student loans, but I think that there is merit in the idea that it is helping to inflate the costs of college. I think it is more accurate to say that these loans increase the costs but still make college more attainable for many people. Then again I havent studied it in depth

It's a valid point. But these same people fail to offer a solution outside of "get rid of the loans and let the free market do the work" which is a horrible, horrible, idea because it won't work and we'll be back to where we were where only people who have the money can go to school leaving many out in the cold. 

Maybe I'm wrong and they do have alternative and I would be interested to hear it.


What pisses me off is anyone who is old enough to have gone to college in the 70s, 80s, or 90s making these same comments about the free market. You know how much public universities would cost today if we kept them at the same price as during those years (thanks to gov't assistance to the public university)? About 1-3k per year. My alma mater's tuition is $15,000 this year (UC Davis). Add to that the fact that associate professor (associate professors make up 2/3rds of the professors across America) pay has been going down, and administrative pay has been going up. At my alma mater, the second year during our budget crisis (I want to say this was 2009 or 2010), our president's pay went from 150k/yr to 400k/yr.
 
2012-11-16 05:49:55 PM

sprawl15: The first thing that you threw out was pretty simple: "wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25." It's absolutely clear that you're simply asserting that an average wage below minimum wage is impossible because the minimum wage is the minimum. I simply pointed out that such an assertion is wrong because tipped employees have a wage below the minimum wage, allowing for an average below the minimum. Basic math.


for people employed by "Papa" John - yeah, it's impossible. We can pretend it was a generalized statement that could apply to any place averages are used if it makes you feel like less of an utter and absolute assclown. Man, do I feel told off. Feel better?

sprawl15: You took that to mean that I'm throwing out an opinion on the actual average wage of Papa John's employees. I couldn't care less what their average wage is, or how it's distributed among corporate versus franchise, or any of the other horseshiat you threw out in your smokescreen - if you sat down and did the math and it came out to $15 an hour for corporate and $8 an hour for franchises, it wouldn't farking matter. Because the entire point of my post was to show you the flaw in your logic - that you were making an erroneous assumption. You're taking it personally, and trying to prove that the gist of your argument is right - which is, again, for the umpteenth time, totally besides the point I made. It only belies your ignorance and willingness to jump to whatever assumption you need to make yourself feel better.


hehe, sure man. If pretending that's how it went down makes you feel better. Of course you spent the better part of the discussion arguing how these all delivery drivers are "Papa" John's employees. You got really angry when talking about that too - that was just to explain to me how averages work I suppose. That's all you were trying to do, after all. You don't care about their average wages. I get it now. Thanks for the lesson!

Enjoy your weekend.
 
2012-11-16 05:50:00 PM

Fart_Machine: I alone am best: Whiskey Pete: We should take Papa John and the Denny's guy and make them eat their own food.

FOR AN ENTIRE WEEK.

I would gladly eat Denny's food for a week.

[i.huffpost.com image 550x400]

Wow even their promotional photos don't look appetizing.


Reality:

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2012-11-16 05:51:34 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jso2897: Setting aside the political debate - this was a stupid PR move. A week ago, if you asked me what I thought of this guy, I'd have said he was some guy who was probably smart and hardworking and lucky and more power to him. Now, I think he's a jerk who mixes his business with politics and gives his customers a political sermon with their fooking pizza. Doesn't make me inclined to do business with him.
He could have handled his "problem" (if he really even has one) internally, and just run his business like the rest of us. Instead, he shot his mouth off for no good business purpose. And after seeing that, if he's ever looking for investment capital, there's no point in his coming to me. This kind of childish, petulant shiat does NOT inspire confidence.

You must be thinking of the derp-spewing Denny's franchisee.

PJ's CEO did not call a press conference to berate his customers. He was on an investor relations conference call. He was supposed to talk about factors that will impact the company's future earnings. He did so, quite rationally.

- Our costs are going to go up due to Obamacare.

- We are in a good position to absorb the costs of Obamacare.

- We will do what we can to minimize the costs and pass the remainder on to consumers.

- It is likely that some of our franchisees will cut hours to avoid Obamacare.

That's all he said. No rant, no threats. Just what a CEO is required to do for investors.


Well, it's his business. it's not a matter that I, as a businessman, would have chosen to discuss before the press - whatever the tone of the discussion. Indeed, an increase in the price of a pie of 17 cents is not something I would offer any public explanation of at all - especially not if it related to anything political or controversial. But, again, it's his business - and if there are negative consequences to this, they aren't going to fall on me.
 
2012-11-16 05:51:47 PM

busy chillin': vrax: If this dipshiat had silently raised the price of a pizza by $.15 nobody would have noticed.

Seriously this. And now everybody (Republicans I guess) runs in to the defense of the millionaires bottom line. Amazing.


All of these. Like I said last night in the Denny's thread, if it's going to impact your bottom line, then pass the cost on to the customers, like businessmen have been doing since business began. That's what the business model is based on.
 
2012-11-16 05:51:49 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's pizza, people. If you don't have ONE decent locally-owned place next to you then I hope you're enjoying the view of The Thing approaching.


You know what cracks me up about this argument? If we all bought from only locally owned businesses and made the big businesses go out of business, ObamaCare would be null and void because the locally owned don't have to provide health care. :)
 
2012-11-16 05:54:54 PM

heavymetal: These businesses complain yet they are part of the problem. They are screaming about how the government should not help anyone and the free market is the solution. Yet the "free market" has failed miserably on their part. The "free market" has squeezed the worker where even working full time they need government assistance like food stamps in order to eat and Medicaid for healthcare. Basically the "free market" is having the government already subsidize their workforce. The "free market" isn't paying people enough to afford health insurance, doesn't want universal coverage, and is now biatching the free market solution originally created by the Heritage Foundation is tantamount to communism.

What is the "free market's" solution then if they are against everything? Diffuculty, it can't be "fark you I got mine" or letting people die and/or go bankrupt when they get sick. The "capitalist" approach would be paying enough money to where the employee can afford basic necessities and healthcare with a full-time job and not need government assistance. The government is just filling the void where the "free market" has failed.  Either all you boot-strappy capitalists step up and fill that void you keep saying you are supposed to fill or STFU.


Heavymetal: i think you're missing the point. In a truly free market letting people die or go bankrupt is inevitable. You imagine that your idea of societal failure is the same as the average capitalist. It isn't. Fark you i got mine is kind of the whole idea.
 
2012-11-16 05:55:47 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: mod3072: Obamacare went back in time and raped my mother to become my father and then refused to pay child support forcing her into accepting food stamps and medicare to survive so that she would vote Democrat in 2012.

Was it a legitimate rape?


It couldn't possibly have been, or her body would have shut it down and I wouldn't be here. I guess mom's just a whore.
 
2012-11-16 05:56:43 PM
What are we really talking about here. Using http://finder.healthcare.gov and picking Papa Johns home town of Anchorage, Kentucky and a birth date in 1985., basic health coverage for and individual can be found for under 600 a year (less than $50.00 per month) . The employer is only required under the law in 2014 to pay half if I recall, so lets use greater than half and go with $500 per employee per year for single coverage. This is on sales of 1.12 Billion or not even a full percentage point in the cost of sales. The changes in the price of cheese, wheat or meat far out weigh the cost of health care, let alone the actuall costs of these commodities. The recent drop in the price of gas far out weighs any increase in the cost of a pizza. The changes in the costs to heat the pizza oven far outweigh it.........

Why is this A$$$$ hole trying to make an issue about health care which is not even mandated till 2014?
 
2012-11-16 05:58:11 PM

serial_crusher: DarwiOdrade: Doing it right:
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Doing it wrong:
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Is this another thread where it's wrong to mix business and politics by boycotting a business that supports Obama, but it's right to mix business and politics by boycotting a business that opposes Obama?


No - this is another thread where you make a big straw man and then tear it down making yourself look like an ass
 
2012-11-16 06:00:40 PM
Poor subby. I would point out your hilarious inability to separate stocks from flows, and numerous other failings, but it's not nice to pick on retards.
 
2012-11-16 06:02:11 PM

bookman: COMALite J: I alone am best: FunkyBlue: I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.

Sadly, yes. It's the garlic butter.

If I had to compare it to other dominos. little caesars, pizza hut ect I would have to say it was the bread. All the bread from the other places sits like a rock in my gut. So I would rank it as follows.

Papa Johns
Pizza Hut
Dominos/Sbarro

Little Caesars

Have you tried Dominos Artisan pizza? The crust is wildly different from their regular pizzas (like a truly hand-tossed crust), and overall they′re actually pretty yummy. The Spinach & Feta is my favorite. I just wish they′d let you add ingredients: adding chicken to that one should be quite good indeed, a nice Florentine-style pizza. A single Artisan pizza serves two people for lunch or one really hungry person for dinner.

The American Legends are also pretty good, but are on the same crusts as their regular pizzas. Speaking of which, they recently replaced their Deep Dish crust with a new Pan crust, and they also offer a gluten-free crust.

In short, Dominos has not stood still. If you′re judging them based on ½ a decade or more ago, give ′em another try. It′s really not the same anymore.

One of the few intelligent comments on this thread. Yes, Dominos has greatly improved.

Other than this, this thread appears to be a uberlib mutual masturbation thread.


Thanks. When Domino started, they were the only pizza, or fast food period, nationwide chain that delivered. It didn′t have to be good. You were hungry, stuck at work late at night or didn′t want to cook, or more people showed up to your party than you expected and the hors d′ourves are gone, etc.? They were your only choice. One phone call and ½ hour later, and you had some tolerable hot food.

When others jumped in, first they promised shorter delivery times (‶Fifteen Minutes or Less or It′s Free!") which they had to back off on when it made for unsafe driving, then they tried cute character mascot marketing (‶Avoid the Noid!"), but those weren′t enough. No longer could they market based on delivery alone.

So, they actually had to (gasp!) improve the product, and they did, several times. The improvements in the past couple of years have been quite good, and they′re now one of the better-quality national pizza chains that delivers hot cooked pizza (Papa Murphy′s only does Take-&-Bake). I put them well ahead of Pizza Hut, which in turn is ahead of Mr. Gatti′s, when in turn is well ahead of Papa John′s, which in turn is ahead of Little Cæsar′s (which used to have really good commercials ― too bad they could never make pizza ½ as good as they made pizza commercials!).
 
2012-11-16 06:04:19 PM
Because it's not his choice, He's being forced.

Now, if he was a 15 year old girl seeking an abortion being forced by the government to do something against her choice like, tell her parents, that would bring thousands out in the streets.

The lefts moral relativism will be its down fall.
 
2012-11-16 06:05:24 PM
I'm not defending papa John being a dick because I think he can afford to give his employees health care.

But I don't get the complaints about the free pizza give away. Thats part of advertising, all companies do it, there are plenty of good points to be made why he should just shut up about the health care but this isn't one of them. Advertising is a legitimate expense.
 
2012-11-16 06:07:25 PM
If they could get people to work for free they would do it.
 
2012-11-16 06:08:29 PM
This thread is hilarious.

Stupid, but hilarious.
 
2012-11-16 06:09:04 PM

kobrakai: The nice thing is that here in Louisville (he lives in Anchorage, a small city within Louisville Metro) we have so many other GREAT pizza options.

Coals - Amazing pizza made with a coal-fired oven
Pappalino's - Not quite but almost NY pizza with good, local, home-made toppings
Caffe Classico
Cafe LouLou
Mellow Mushroom
New Albanian which serves really good pizza and they make INCREDIBLE BEER
Garage Bar

Screw Schnatter.


This list fails without Impellizzeri's.

/also, screw Schnatter
 
2012-11-16 06:11:21 PM

kyrg: Because it's not his choice, He's being forced.

Now, if he was a 15 year old girl seeking an abortion being forced by the government to do something against her choice like, tell her parents, that would bring thousands out in the streets.

The lefts moral relativism will be its down fall.


Yeah, he was probably super pissed that he was forced to spend the extra money for wheelchair access too. Fark those handycrapped people!
 
2012-11-16 06:11:26 PM

Warlordtrooper: But I don't get the complaints about the free pizza give away.


Well if Obamacare is to blame for a .14 cent raise in price per pizza, then I would presume that he would say that an free pizza give-away as an advertisement would mean that it represents at least .56 cents of the cost of a pizza then.
 
2012-11-16 06:14:36 PM

Warlordtrooper: I'm not defending papa John being a dick because I think he can afford to give his employees health care.

But I don't get the complaints about the free pizza give away. Thats part of advertising, all companies do it, there are plenty of good points to be made why he should just shut up about the health care but this isn't one of them. Advertising is a legitimate expense.


If he can afford a $20 million promo, he can afford to offer his employees health Care.
 
2012-11-16 06:15:01 PM
This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?
 
2012-11-16 06:18:50 PM

ShadeeJake: His pizza sucks anyway. It give me butt pee every time.


Stolen!

/Funny you am.
 
2012-11-16 06:20:03 PM

badaboom: This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?


As much as Obama is to have gotten 63 Million plus people to vote for him?
 
2012-11-16 06:22:28 PM

badaboom: This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?


No he's not a wizard.

But he is a total dick. You got that part right.
 
2012-11-16 06:26:28 PM

Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?

No he's not a wizard.

But he is a total dick. You got that part right.


So how did he get all these people to work for him? How does he get people to buy his product?
 
2012-11-16 06:34:00 PM

bulldg4life: Stupid, but hilarious.


Shut up and make more popcorn!
 
2012-11-16 06:39:16 PM

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?

No he's not a wizard.

But he is a total dick. You got that part right.

So how did he get all these people to work for him? How does he get people to buy his product?


>>>Point

You
 
2012-11-16 06:40:31 PM

badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?

No he's not a wizard.

But he is a total dick. You got that part right.

So how did he get all these people to work for him? How does he get people to buy his product?


Because people sometimes have to take work where they can get it, and most people don't know or care if the owner is a dick.

If you are damn near a billionaire, and you're looking at cutting the hours of your minimum-wage workers to avoid a dime and a half per pie to insure them, you are a dick.

If you think high profits automatically make a person not a dick, then you are a fool.
 
2012-11-16 06:45:10 PM
This just helps make the case for national health insurance. Meanwhile I find that Papa John really creeps me out on his commercials.
 
2012-11-16 06:51:30 PM
Forbes did a study and it costs them like 5 cents a pizza to give their employees health care.
they think they can't absorb 5 cents a pie. that's bullshiat. they can. they just don't want to.
 
2012-11-16 06:54:05 PM
Maybe you could give yourself a paycut, Papa, to help out the many people who work so hard for you, instead of punishing them for something that isn't their fault. No? That's what I thought. Even raising the price of pizza would be reasonable, but hey, if you did that instead then you wouldn't be a huge asshole. The reaction of some to this election is making it clear what petty, vindictive, sore losers they are.
 
2012-11-16 06:56:00 PM
If I leave the prices the same, but say on the menu that there is a 5 percent surcharge for Obamacare, customers have two choices. They can either pay it and tip 15 or 20 percent, or if they really feel so inclined, they can reduce the amount of tip they give to the server, who is the primary beneficiary of Obamacare," Metz told The Huffington Post. "Although it may sound terrible that I'm doing this, it's the only alternative. I've got to pass the cost on to the consumer." 

Hey, look. An even bigger dick.
 
2012-11-16 06:57:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: kmmontandon: Marcus Aurelius: He should spend some of that money on something useful, like a pair of lips.

Why? He seems perfectly capable of sucking Republican dick just fine without them.

True, that.


GOP dicks are kinda small. No need for lips to stretch out for an elastic hold.
 
2012-11-16 07:00:59 PM

Hobodeluxe: they think they can't absorb 5 cents a pie. that's bullshiat. they can. they just don't want to.


That's because the political statement is more important. Same with the guy from Applebees and the coal guy. Firing people because of non-existent tax increases or crazy coal regulatory changes...Either they can see in to the future or blaming Obama is a good way for them to cover their operating cost cuts.
 
2012-11-16 07:02:12 PM

vrax: clowncar on fire: /took me over ten minutes to type this
//computer slower than a vintage Wang

Damn, the cons can't take responsibility for anything, can they?!


Mrtraveler01: Warlordtrooper: I'm not defending papa John being a dick because I think he can afford to give his employees health care.

But I don't get the complaints about the free pizza give away. Thats part of advertising, all companies do it, there are plenty of good points to be made why he should just shut up about the health care but this isn't one of them. Advertising is a legitimate expense.

If he can afford a $20 million promo, he can afford to offer his employees health Care.


He could probably afford to buy his employees a fleet of cars to deliver all that pizza but that is not part of the business model that led to his success, nor was offering a perk like healthcare when offering minimum wages seemed to attract all the labor needed.

I haven't seen this posted yet but anyone know the demographics of the minimum wage worker? Most of the Papa Johns' I've patronized were manned by employees who appeared to be still covered under their parent's insurance (as well as other staples like food and rent, transportation) so having health insurance is not really the issue we want to make it out to be.

For those determined to maintain a minimum wage job as their only means of income- there is a safety net out there in the form of government assistance.
 
2012-11-16 07:03:53 PM

jso2897: BarkingUnicorn: jso2897: Setting aside the political debate - this was a stupid PR move. A week ago, if you asked me what I thought of this guy, I'd have said he was some guy who was probably smart and hardworking and lucky and more power to him. Now, I think he's a jerk who mixes his business with politics and gives his customers a political sermon with their fooking pizza. Doesn't make me inclined to do business with him.
He could have handled his "problem" (if he really even has one) internally, and just run his business like the rest of us. Instead, he shot his mouth off for no good business purpose. And after seeing that, if he's ever looking for investment capital, there's no point in his coming to me. This kind of childish, petulant shiat does NOT inspire confidence.

You must be thinking of the derp-spewing Denny's franchisee.

PJ's CEO did not call a press conference to berate his customers. He was on an investor relations conference call. He was supposed to talk about factors that will impact the company's future earnings. He did so, quite rationally.

- Our costs are going to go up due to Obamacare.

- We are in a good position to absorb the costs of Obamacare.

- We will do what we can to minimize the costs and pass the remainder on to consumers.

- It is likely that some of our franchisees will cut hours to avoid Obamacare.

That's all he said. No rant, no threats. Just what a CEO is required to do for investors.

Well, it's his business. it's not a matter that I, as a businessman, would have chosen to discuss before the press - whatever the tone of the discussion. Indeed, an increase in the price of a pie of 17 cents is not something I would offer any public explanation of at all - especially not if it related to anything political or controversial. But, again, it's his business - and if there are negative consequences to this, they aren't going to fall on me.


It's not his business alone; it's the shareholders' business. He had a duty to tell shareholders what's going to affect the company's value and what he plans to do about it. And that's all he did.

That Denny's asshat is whole different story.
 
2012-11-16 07:07:02 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?

Look, the guy employs a lot of people, and he has given large amounts of money to charity, but he is still a douche for what he is doing NOW. It is a 50/50 self-made man. Yes, he used daddy's shop to set up business, but he went with a business plan and he made it. Good for him.

He's still being a douche about THIS issue.


He's not a self-made man. You think any self-made man can create a well-written franchising contract? You don't think he had to hire a bunch of lawyers to help him create a franchising document? And who vetted that those lawyers are capable of doing what they do? Word of mouth? That state's Bar? You think he can enforce those contracts with, what? a bunch of goons going around busting up franchisees' heads if they don't pay their annual franchise fees? He had a lot of help, not the least of which is a government that help enforce tort laws and contracts.
 
2012-11-16 07:13:25 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Raharu: Generally No. Few people make it that high up the ladder without being some kind of greedy sociopath.

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So true


I would say Steve Jobs would be one of the few non-greedy sociopath. He took home $1/year the whole time after he returned to Apple. Yes, he got tons of stocks and stuff, and I doubt he ever had to worry about the next month's energy bill at home (Palo Alto has great weather). He lived in a rather modest home in Palo Alto without all the sheltered walls and other gates/fences that most rich people had.

He never gave to charities, at least not in public. He was always very generous to his employees with regards to salary and stock options. Yes, he was an egomaniac ass and fired some people on the spot. So he ran a meritocracy, ok. But he rarely showed ostentatiousness like some of the other uber-rich.
 
2012-11-16 07:14:24 PM

clowncar on fire: I haven't seen this posted yet but anyone know the demographics of the minimum wage worker? Most of the Papa Johns' I've patronized were manned by employees who appeared to be still covered under their parent's insurance (as well as other staples like food and rent, transportation) so having health insurance is not really the issue we want to make it out to be.

For those determined to maintain a minimum wage job as their only means of income- there is a safety net out there in the form of government assistance.


Yes, PPAC extends the age you can be covered on your parent's insurance to 26. I believe he has the option of not offering insurance to his employees and pay a fine if he has over 50 employees. If the employees can't afford insurance by themselves on minimum wage, then they will be subsidized and allowed to purchase as part of a group on a state-based exchange.

I have no idea what you mean by "those determined to maintain a minimum wage job as their only means of income".
 
2012-11-16 07:16:27 PM

BarkingUnicorn: jso2897: BarkingUnicorn: jso2897: Setting aside the political debate - this was a stupid PR move. A week ago, if you asked me what I thought of this guy, I'd have said he was some guy who was probably smart and hardworking and lucky and more power to him. Now, I think he's a jerk who mixes his business with politics and gives his customers a political sermon with their fooking pizza. Doesn't make me inclined to do business with him.
He could have handled his "problem" (if he really even has one) internally, and just run his business like the rest of us. Instead, he shot his mouth off for no good business purpose. And after seeing that, if he's ever looking for investment capital, there's no point in his coming to me. This kind of childish, petulant shiat does NOT inspire confidence.

You must be thinking of the derp-spewing Denny's franchisee.

PJ's CEO did not call a press conference to berate his customers. He was on an investor relations conference call. He was supposed to talk about factors that will impact the company's future earnings. He did so, quite rationally.

- Our costs are going to go up due to Obamacare.

- We are in a good position to absorb the costs of Obamacare.

- We will do what we can to minimize the costs and pass the remainder on to consumers.

- It is likely that some of our franchisees will cut hours to avoid Obamacare.

That's all he said. No rant, no threats. Just what a CEO is required to do for investors.

Well, it's his business. it's not a matter that I, as a businessman, would have chosen to discuss before the press - whatever the tone of the discussion. Indeed, an increase in the price of a pie of 17 cents is not something I would offer any public explanation of at all - especially not if it related to anything political or controversial. But, again, it's his business - and if there are negative consequences to this, they aren't going to fall on me.

It's not his business alone; it's the shareholders' business. He had a duty to ...


No. This was not just a shareholder's meeting. He has discussed this at length in the press, and his remarks have been quite openly political - he is, in fact, a large Republican donor and vocal supporter. You can defend it if you like - I regard it as foolish, and would not trust him with my investment dollars.
using a shareholder's meeting as a political forum was a juvenile, unprofessional thing to do. I have read his remarks - they were mildly, but deliberately inflammatory - which is why they caught the attention of the press. I agree that he is not the colossal dick that the Denny's guy is - but he's still a dumbass IMHO.
If he were my CEO - I'd fire him.
 
2012-11-16 07:18:10 PM

Soup4Bonnie: clowncar on fire: I haven't seen this posted yet but anyone know the demographics of the minimum wage worker? Most of the Papa Johns' I've patronized were manned by employees who appeared to be still covered under their parent's insurance (as well as other staples like food and rent, transportation) so having health insurance is not really the issue we want to make it out to be.

For those determined to maintain a minimum wage job as their only means of income- there is a safety net out there in the form of government assistance.

Yes, PPAC extends the age you can be covered on your parent's insurance to 26. I believe he has the option of not offering insurance to his employees and pay a fine if he has over 50 employees. If the employees can't afford insurance by themselves on minimum wage, then they will be subsidized and allowed to purchase as part of a group on a state-based exchange.

I have no idea what you mean by "those determined to maintain a minimum wage job as their only means of income".


Blah people, probably. Or some other sort of inferior. He thinks he has a lot of inferiors.
 
2012-11-16 07:18:26 PM

Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: Lionel Mandrake: badaboom: This guy is a total dick.

First, he rounded up all these people and forced them to work for his company. Then he found a way to force people to buy his product.

Is he some sort of wizard?

No he's not a wizard.

But he is a total dick. You got that part right.

So how did he get all these people to work for him? How does he get people to buy his product?

Because people sometimes have to take work where they can get it, and most people don't know or care if the owner is a dick.

If you are damn near a billionaire, and you're looking at cutting the hours of your minimum-wage workers to avoid a dime and a half per pie to insure them, you are a dick.

If you think high profits automatically make a person not a dick, then you are a fool.


So he did not force them to work there. In other words, they have choices. Go work somewhere else?
 
2012-11-16 07:20:02 PM

qorkfiend: Jay Cutler: Mitt Romney Potato


Fixed that for this season
 
2012-11-16 07:21:28 PM

Hobodeluxe: Forbes did a study and it costs them like 5 cents a pizza to give their employees health care.
they think they can't absorb 5 cents a pie. that's bullshiat. they can. they just don't want to.


Thank god we live in a country with freedom and liberty.
 
2012-11-16 07:26:00 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Employers are pissed that they can't keep passing off their responsibility to their employees to the rest of society. And yet these are the same people that biatch because the hospital tax for their county hospital keeps going up year after year and Medicare/Medicaid costs keep going up and up

Not shocking. At all


It's your parents who should be taking care of your needs, not some stranger that, by mutual contract, payed money for your labors. They brought you into world, they can take care of you.
No wait- the govermnent is suppose to take care of you- isn't that why you voted? i took care of you now where's mine?
Surely someone out there is responsible for your care, somebody. Any takers?
 
2012-11-16 07:32:41 PM

badaboom: Hobodeluxe: Forbes did a study and it costs them like 5 cents a pizza to give their employees health care.
they think they can't absorb 5 cents a pie. that's bullshiat. they can. they just don't want to.

Thank god we live in a country with freedom and liberty.


*plonk*

tiresome troll is tiresome.
 
2012-11-16 07:33:23 PM

clowncar on fire: Any takers?


Until recently it has been the taxpayers doing it the most expensive way possible. The PPACA changed some of that so that insurance companies now have to not deny you as much as they used to so they are picking up more of the tab instead of the tax payers. It's not perfect, but you go to legislation with the blue dogs and independents you have not liberal legislators you want or wish to have at a later time.
 
2012-11-16 07:37:33 PM

badaboom: Hobodeluxe: Forbes did a study and it costs them like 5 cents a pizza to give their employees health care.
they think they can't absorb 5 cents a pie. that's bullshiat. they can. they just don't want to.

Thank god we live in a country with freedom and liberty.


yeah and asshole tyrant employers that people like you defend. I ,myself wouldn't mind the 5 cent increase per pizza. I think a lot of people are like me. I also think he could use the fact that he's giving his employees health care in his advertising and increase his bottom line in a better way than giving away free pizzas.
 
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