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(Politico)   "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour and is doing a $30M "free pizza" promotion is upset that he has to spend $8M to provide his employees with healthcare   (politico.com) divider line 706
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2012-11-16 04:32:49 PM  

jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: Some day these job creators will learn to keep their mouths shut, I hope the backlash against them causes great numbers of people to support other businesses.

I propose we have a "Bow to Your 1% Overlords" day at Papa John's.

By getting pizza somewhere else and eating it at PJs?


I don't think Papa John's has tables.
 
2012-11-16 04:32:54 PM  
And given that Papa John's relies on franchises, it's other people putting up the money to make it grow. A lot of money. It's not just that it's relying on the work of employees, it's relying on other people's money to grow and take the risk.
 
2012-11-16 04:32:58 PM  

skullkrusher: Am I actually a "disingenuous shiat"


Yes.

skullkrusher: Papa John's does have company owned stores. The employees there would be "Papa" John's employees in that they are actually employed by the company and their salaries count against the company's bottom line.


You've moved on to not knowing how franchises work, apparently. I'm not going to take the time to explain to you how EVERYTHING in the world works, I suggest you start by looking up how franchises deal with common needs like HR and how corporate requirements are levied on said franchises in exchange for the ability to share common branding.

There's a website called 'google dot com' that can help you out if you have any questions.

skullkrusher: Can you do that math or do you see the point?


I love that you acknowledge that they're mutually exclusive. Yes, I can do math, so your point remains idiotic.
 
2012-11-16 04:33:07 PM  

whidbey: jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: Some day these job creators will learn to keep their mouths shut, I hope the backlash against them causes great numbers of people to support other businesses.

I propose we have a "Bow to Your 1% Overlords" day at Papa John's.

By getting pizza somewhere else and eating it at PJs?

From Godfather's, perhaps?


No, some place...good.
 
2012-11-16 04:33:22 PM  

Magorn: What an astro-turf roots movement may look like: The org is barely a week old but somehow both Fox Business New and Rush Limbaugh producers have this guy in their rolodex?


Don't underestimate their influence. Look how well they did getting Romney elected!
 
2012-11-16 04:33:41 PM  
I think the takeaway here is that, when given a number of options, a real, successful businessman deliberately chooses the one that has the greatest effect on his customers.
 
2012-11-16 04:33:43 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Have any of you saying Domino's is worse than Papa Johns tried it in the last three years?


Usually when I don't like something, I don't buy it again.
 
2012-11-16 04:34:54 PM  

give me doughnuts: kobrakai: The nice thing is that here in Louisville (he lives in Anchorage, a small city within Louisville Metro) we have so many other GREAT pizza options.

Coals - Amazing pizza made with a coal-fired oven
Pappalino's - Not quite but almost NY pizza with good, local, home-made toppings
Caffe Classico
Cafe LouLou
Mellow Mushroom
New Albanian which serves really good pizza and they make INCREDIBLE BEER
Garage Bar

Screw Schnatter.

No love for Wick's? or Clifton's Pizza?


OMFG Wick's!!! What about Spinellis?
 
2012-11-16 04:35:01 PM  

Semi-Sane: dddddeeeeeeerrrrppppppppp.


Look, you should try taking an economics class. I know you won't PASS, but you could try taking one. FYI though, the ones that they offer on FOX actually count as NEGATIVE classes.
 
2012-11-16 04:35:33 PM  

RedPhoenix122: whidbey: jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: Some day these job creators will learn to keep their mouths shut, I hope the backlash against them causes great numbers of people to support other businesses.

I propose we have a "Bow to Your 1% Overlords" day at Papa John's.

By getting pizza somewhere else and eating it at PJs?

From Godfather's, perhaps?

No, some place...good.


But is there any "good" pizza owned and operated by the 1%, though, is the question...
 
2012-11-16 04:35:40 PM  

whidbey: USA Prime Credit Peggy: Have any of you saying Domino's is worse than Papa Johns tried it in the last three years?

The new Dominos is great if you like good fake pizza with a lot of preservatives and chemicals thrown in to make it appear to look and taste like good pizza.


When I get the hungries I call the Pizza Pipeline hotline. No one delivers mare taste to your door.

/it's a local thing
//damnit, now I can't get that farking jingle out of my head
 
2012-11-16 04:35:45 PM  

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: And sure, I prefer some of our locally-owned places to Papa John's, but they are the closest place to my house and the pizza always arrives piping hot and they are light years better than any of the other major chain delivery places.

And I take it the fact that now you know what an incredible asshole "Papa" John is, it's not going to affect whether you continue patronizing their business or not. Just a guess.

Nope, not in the slightest.


I wouldn't think conservatives would find treating your workers poorly as assholish to begin with. It's up to the worker to go find a better jerb.
 
2012-11-16 04:35:56 PM  
Poor guy... His stock is only up 196.35% since Obama took over the White House.
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-11-16 04:36:19 PM  

Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: And sure, I prefer some of our locally-owned places to Papa John's, but they are the closest place to my house and the pizza always arrives piping hot and they are light years better than any of the other major chain delivery places.

And I take it the fact that now you know what an incredible asshole "Papa" John is, it's not going to affect whether you continue patronizing their business or not. Just a guess.

Nope, not in the slightest.


Yeah, there's no reason that the people who prepare that pizza you enjoy, and who ensure that it arrives at your doorstep piping hot should have access to quality healthcare. People like that are of no importance. They should be grateful for the opportunity to serve a person like you.
 
2012-11-16 04:36:29 PM  

Cup Check: A country full of entitled fast food workers, grocery baggers, and store clerks who won't move up because it's "easy."


Bullshiat.

I've done all of those things and they are 100% WORSE than any white collar job I've had since. Hell, I'd work my current well-paying "skilled" job for minimum wage before I'd go back to fast food even if it paid my current salary.
 
2012-11-16 04:36:38 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Doing it right:
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Doing it wrong:
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Is this another thread where it's wrong to mix business and politics by boycotting a business that supports Obama, but it's right to mix business and politics by boycotting a business that opposes Obama?
 
2012-11-16 04:36:43 PM  

whidbey: But is there any "good" pizza owned and operated by the 1%, though, is the question...


Red Baron?
 
2012-11-16 04:36:58 PM  

whidbey: RedPhoenix122: whidbey: jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: Some day these job creators will learn to keep their mouths shut, I hope the backlash against them causes great numbers of people to support other businesses.

I propose we have a "Bow to Your 1% Overlords" day at Papa John's.

By getting pizza somewhere else and eating it at PJs?

From Godfather's, perhaps?

No, some place...good.

But is there any "good" pizza owned and operated by the 1%, though, is the question...


that Ray guy's gotta be a 1%er. He's famous

/NY joke
 
2012-11-16 04:37:03 PM  

propasaurus: Aarontology: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

I think he used to be an exec at Dominos or Pizza Hut and bailed to start his own place a few years back.

Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan.


That's the guy that founded JIMMY Johns. Also a big Romney supporter.
 
2012-11-16 04:37:18 PM  

Mikey1969: Let's put it this way: I live in relative luxury because I am renting a 3,000 square foot house for $1500/month. We need it, with 3 adults, 2 teenagers and a 4 year old in the house, but how does this asshole expect me to feel sorry for him in his $22 million dollar house?


Well the funny thing is he wants you to fell sorry for him that he has to pass the cost on to the consumer. "Obamacare sucks because it makes me charge you more for pizza." Nowhere in there was it ever possible this was going to cut in to the money he makes.
 
2012-11-16 04:37:18 PM  

whidbey: jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: Some day these job creators will learn to keep their mouths shut, I hope the backlash against them causes great numbers of people to support other businesses.

I propose we have a "Bow to Your 1% Overlords" day at Papa John's.

By getting pizza somewhere else and eating it at PJs?

From Godfather's, perhaps?


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-16 04:37:22 PM  

RedPhoenix122: No, some place...good.


I have to admit...

I really, really love Hungry Howie's cajun crusted hawaiian pizza.

/so ashamed
 
2012-11-16 04:38:26 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Semi-Sane: RedPhoenix122: Semi-Sane: If they want to earn more they should get an education

Fine, make education more affordable in this country.

Education would be more affordable if student aid was eliminated. Unfortunately, Democrats want to keep throwing more money at schools in hopes that prices magically descend.

Jesus H Titty Farking Christ. Can we get a shrink to Fark and fast?


Why? If they want to double-down on saying "Fark the poor," then by all means we should be responding "Please, proceed." Maybe we can push the popular margin another point or two in the D's favor by 2016.
 
2012-11-16 04:39:03 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: And sure, I prefer some of our locally-owned places to Papa John's, but they are the closest place to my house and the pizza always arrives piping hot and they are light years better than any of the other major chain delivery places.

And I take it the fact that now you know what an incredible asshole "Papa" John is, it's not going to affect whether you continue patronizing their business or not. Just a guess.

Nope, not in the slightest.

Yeah, there's no reason that the people who prepare that pizza you enjoy, and who ensure that it arrives at your doorstep piping hot should have access to quality healthcare. People like that are of no importance. They should be grateful for the opportunity to serve a person like you.


My, aren't we a peach? I tip well - even on top of that stupid delivery fee - and I worked my fair share of menial restaurant jobs when I was young. I've been there. I doubt the guy that delivers from my favorite local place is getting health insurance through there, either. Why should I consign myself to lukewarm pizza in twice the time because Papa John is a tool?
 
2012-11-16 04:39:46 PM  

jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: whidbey: jst3p: Some day these job creators will learn to keep their mouths shut, I hope the backlash against them causes great numbers of people to support other businesses.

I propose we have a "Bow to Your 1% Overlords" day at Papa John's.

By getting pizza somewhere else and eating it at PJs?

From Godfather's, perhaps?

[i.chzbgr.com image 401x271]


BWA HAHAHAHA
 
2012-11-16 04:40:20 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Cup Check: A country full of entitled fast food workers, grocery baggers, and store clerks who won't move up because it's "easy."

Bullshiat.

I've done all of those things and they are 100% WORSE than any white collar job I've had since. Hell, I'd work my current well-paying "skilled" job for minimum wage before I'd go back to fast food even if it paid my current salary.


I concur. I work a white collar job, I get more money than I know what to do with, and it's the easiest job I've ever had.

I have a bunch of teabagger coworkers, however, who feel like they are gods gift to creation. They think they are the smartest people on the planet (they aren't. I've done their code reviews. They really aren't). They spend all day goofing off in the office, playing war games on their computers, or standing at the windows all day long doing nothing but complaining about how the union workers at the construction site across the street are just standing around all day doing nothing.

The irony is killing me.
 
2012-11-16 04:40:40 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Semi-Sane: Education would be more affordable if student aid was eliminated.

[www.lolwut.com image 533x594]


Link

It is debatable.
 
2012-11-16 04:41:07 PM  

skullkrusher: no, not really. Do you ever get tired of trying so hard only to fail time and time and time and time again?


Can you stick to trolling one thread a day, reading your idiocy in multiple threads gets so very tiring.
 
2012-11-16 04:41:16 PM  

Nabb1: Philip Francis Queeg: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: And sure, I prefer some of our locally-owned places to Papa John's, but they are the closest place to my house and the pizza always arrives piping hot and they are light years better than any of the other major chain delivery places.

And I take it the fact that now you know what an incredible asshole "Papa" John is, it's not going to affect whether you continue patronizing their business or not. Just a guess.

Nope, not in the slightest.

Yeah, there's no reason that the people who prepare that pizza you enjoy, and who ensure that it arrives at your doorstep piping hot should have access to quality healthcare. People like that are of no importance. They should be grateful for the opportunity to serve a person like you.

My, aren't we a peach? I tip well - even on top of that stupid delivery fee - and I worked my fair share of menial restaurant jobs when I was young. I've been there. I doubt the guy that delivers from my favorite local place is getting health insurance through there, either. Why should I consign myself to lukewarm pizza in twice the time because Papa John is a tool?


I bet your idea of a tip is telling the delivery guy to invest in plastics.
 
2012-11-16 04:41:16 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Freudian_slipknot: Cup Check: A country full of entitled fast food workers, grocery baggers, and store clerks who won't move up because it's "easy."

Bullshiat.

I've done all of those things and they are 100% WORSE than any white collar job I've had since. Hell, I'd work my current well-paying "skilled" job for minimum wage before I'd go back to fast food even if it paid my current salary.

I concur. I work a white collar job, I get more money than I know what to do with, and it's the easiest job I've ever had.

I have a bunch of teabagger coworkers, however, who feel like they are gods gift to creation. They think they are the smartest people on the planet (they aren't. I've done their code reviews. They really aren't). They spend all day goofing off in the office, playing war games on their computers, or standing at the windows all day long doing nothing but complaining about how the union workers at the construction site across the street are just standing around all day doing nothing.

The irony is killing me.


Are you guys hiring?

Seriously.
 
2012-11-16 04:41:43 PM  
hyundaigenesisblog.com

Haterz gotta hate! Yo
 
2012-11-16 04:41:44 PM  
Too-sweet sauce, tasteless crust, mealy cheese, bad toppings--the success of Papa John's as a pizza franchise has mystified me for years.
 
2012-11-16 04:41:47 PM  
Let me Start a counter movement: if you DO order a Papa John's pizza any time in the near furture, show that douchebag owner that the rest of us have absolutely no problem kicking in an extra $0.15 per pizza so his employees can have decent healthcare. How? Add it to the delivery boy's tip especially if you paid by credit card. That way the employee not management will benefit from the statement you are making, but it will get made as managers start noticing all these odd tip amounts that end in multiples of 15 cents. Seeing tips come in at $3.15 or $4.45 etc will start to send a message

I'd like to call it "We're not total assholes who want to screw over our fellow man for a couple nickles" movement
 
2012-11-16 04:42:03 PM  

Freudian_slipknot: Cup Check: A country full of entitled fast food workers, grocery baggers, and store clerks who won't move up because it's "easy."

Bullshiat.

I've done all of those things and they are 100% WORSE than any white collar job I've had since. Hell, I'd work my current well-paying "skilled" job for minimum wage before I'd go back to fast food even if it paid my current salary.


Yeah, it ain't called a "cushy" desk job for nothing
 
2012-11-16 04:42:47 PM  

lennavan: Mikey1969: Let's put it this way: I live in relative luxury because I am renting a 3,000 square foot house for $1500/month. We need it, with 3 adults, 2 teenagers and a 4 year old in the house, but how does this asshole expect me to feel sorry for him in his $22 million dollar house?

Well the funny thing is he wants you to fell sorry for him that he has to pass the cost on to the consumer. "Obamacare sucks because it makes me charge you more for pizza." Nowhere in there was it ever possible this was going to cut in to the money he makes.


Of course. When faced with a tough fiscal decision, every good businessman chooses the option that has the greatest effect on his customers.
 
2012-11-16 04:43:05 PM  

Nabb1: Philip Francis Queeg: Nabb1: whidbey: Nabb1: And sure, I prefer some of our locally-owned places to Papa John's, but they are the closest place to my house and the pizza always arrives piping hot and they are light years better than any of the other major chain delivery places.

And I take it the fact that now you know what an incredible asshole "Papa" John is, it's not going to affect whether you continue patronizing their business or not. Just a guess.

Nope, not in the slightest.

Yeah, there's no reason that the people who prepare that pizza you enjoy, and who ensure that it arrives at your doorstep piping hot should have access to quality healthcare. People like that are of no importance. They should be grateful for the opportunity to serve a person like you.

My, aren't we a peach? I tip well - even on top of that stupid delivery fee - and I worked my fair share of menial restaurant jobs when I was young. I've been there. I doubt the guy that delivers from my favorite local place is getting health insurance through there, either. Why should I consign myself to lukewarm pizza in twice the time because Papa John is a tool?


You're telling me that there is no better place to get a pizza in New Orleans besides Papa John's?

/honestly curious where New Orleanians go for pizza
 
2012-11-16 04:43:44 PM  

sprawl15: skullkrusher: Am I actually a "disingenuous shiat"

Yes.

skullkrusher: Papa John's does have company owned stores. The employees there would be "Papa" John's employees in that they are actually employed by the company and their salaries count against the company's bottom line.

You've moved on to not knowing how franchises work, apparently. I'm not going to take the time to explain to you how EVERYTHING in the world works, I suggest you start by looking up how franchises deal with common needs like HR and how corporate requirements are levied on said franchises in exchange for the ability to share common branding.

There's a website called 'google dot com' that can help you out if you have any questions.

skullkrusher: Can you do that math or do you see the point?

I love that you acknowledge that they're mutually exclusive. Yes, I can do math, so your point remains idiotic.


I just want to hear you say that we should count people "Papa" John doesn't employ as his employees. That's all I ask. Is that too much?

The point of my math question was that Papa John's has 16,500 employees and 4,000 locations. So either those restaurants are super efficient and are operated by 4.125 people each and Papa John's has no corporate support staff or anything like that, or you're trying for a really tortured meaning as to what being someone's employee means in order to avoid admitting that you came out with stupid guns blazing. See, a franchise is owned by a company that is entirely separate from the "brand" from which the franchise is licensed. People who work in those franchises are the employees of the owner of the franchise, not the founder and CEO of the brand.
 
2012-11-16 04:44:02 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Oh look another business is using Obamacare as an excuse to screw over workers and customers.


I'm to bored of this to read the thread. Did someone come in to tell us how this was totally predictable and if the employees didn't like it they could quit and it was his right to do whatever he had to do to keep his profits or somesuch?
 
2012-11-16 04:44:13 PM  

sprawl15: how franchises work


An acquaintance is a PJ franchisee, and she's pretty freaked out by all of this.

Despite being somewhat politically conservative, she's not been sucked in to the reality bubble, so we were able to convince her that in general Mr. Schnatter was full of shiat.

I believe she has less then 50 employees at the moment so the employer mandate won't apply to her directly. But I believe her fear is that if she gets to that size, the hit of subsidizing insurance is going to be pretty big (think adding 20% to payroll), and if corporate won't allow price hikes, she (and her employees are) scrod.

If every restaurant was subject to the mandate, and/or this wasn't a franchised business, prices go up and life goes on. But the mixture of restaurants subject and not subject to the mandate, plus the price-fixing of franchises, could get ugly.
 
2012-11-16 04:44:33 PM  
Someone doesn't know how "Free" merchandise works.
 
2012-11-16 04:44:52 PM  

Nabb1: even on top of that stupid delivery fee


The HORROR.
 
2012-11-16 04:44:57 PM  
It occurs to me, if this guy cares this little for his employees, the people that make his money for him, he probably doesn't give a shiat about his customers either. In a just world, he would soon have neither employees nor customers.
 
2012-11-16 04:45:30 PM  

Blue_Blazer: give me doughnuts: kobrakai: The nice thing is that here in Louisville (he lives in Anchorage, a small city within Louisville Metro) we have so many other GREAT pizza options.

Coals - Amazing pizza made with a coal-fired oven
Pappalino's - Not quite but almost NY pizza with good, local, home-made toppings
Caffe Classico
Cafe LouLou
Mellow Mushroom
New Albanian which serves really good pizza and they make INCREDIBLE BEER
Garage Bar

Screw Schnatter.

No love for Wick's? or Clifton's Pizza?

OMFG Wick's!!! What about Spinellis?


www.stthomasu.ca

I don't look like these guys so I'm not allowed in there ;-)
 
2012-11-16 04:45:41 PM  

MithrandirBooga: Capitalism is dying.


It's not dying per se. It's being killed by those that this it's the enemy.
 
2012-11-16 04:45:47 PM  
Why do people want free healthcare from a pizza guy instead of a doctor?
 
2012-11-16 04:46:20 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: MithrandirBooga: Capitalism is dying.

It's not dying per se. It's being killed by those that this it's the enemy.


Spit it out, man.
 
2012-11-16 04:46:38 PM  

muck4doo: It's a perfect left wing circle of derp from another entitled child who thinks everyone else is responsible for taking care of him. Health insurance has always been a perk employers offer, how you think it should be an entitlement backed by the government says a lot about you. Want health insurance? Find a job that offers it. If you insist on making pizzas for dirt cheap, and no health insurance, well, that's on you. There are other pizza places that do offer benefits. Go apply at one of them. If Pappa John finds no one wants to make a serious career there for lack of health insurance, he might start offering it. Insisting someone else take care of your every whim and need as an entitlement or right is setting you up for a lot of disappointment in life. We already have programs in place to help those without insurance and, you can try looking them up if you're ever bored.


Do you understand the concept of a living wage? The idea being that you can provide for yourself completely with your wages. Guess what? Health care makes that in-farking-possible for most Americans. If health insurance isn't provided by employers, the costs are astronomically high for individuals and families. And those "programs in place?" They're pretty flimsy and constantly being threatened to be defunded by Republicans who decry their very existence as rewarding the dregs of society for doing nothing. Single payer health care would be great and would mean this wouldn't be an issue, but that's off the farking table by the same assholes who 1: want to cut all government programs, 2: applaud businessmen like Crappy Pizza Man for exerting their righteous job creator powers, and 3: fail to understand that people can go bankrupt paying for their health care if they aren't part of a plan. And 4: hate Obamacare in every way.

Guess what? There's no winning for employees here as long as you defend assholes like this.
 
2012-11-16 04:46:52 PM  

jst3p: Mrtraveler01: Semi-Sane: Education would be more affordable if student aid was eliminated.

[www.lolwut.com image 533x594]

Link

It is debatable.


FTA:

It's time to let colleges compete for your business. By limiting the loan money available and requiring full payment, students will have to shop for the best deals, work hard to complete class credits faster, and pick majors that might actually produce well-paying jobs.

While the goal of getting more lower-income Americans enrolled in college is noble and education can be a key to lifting future generations out of poverty, providing more "easy money" from government is obviously not the answer.


There is just one problem with that. Prior to these loans, a lot of people couldn't afford to go to college because colleges weren't lowering prices in order to compete with other schools. That's why these programs were created in the first place, because the free market wasn't doing enough to ensure that everyone had an access to higher education.

Treating the higher education industry like it was the pizza delivery industry is not the answer. Getting rid of these loans will not bring the price down, it'll just leave students out in the cold and unable to get an education.
 
2012-11-16 04:47:06 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: I bet your idea of a tip is telling the delivery guy to invest in plastics.


Like I said, I used to work in food service. I tip at least 20%. But, keep making baseless moronic generalizations.

Mrtraveler01: You're telling me that there is no better place to get a pizza in New Orleans besides Papa John's?

/honestly curious where New Orleanians go for pizza


Better places to go to? Plenty. Delivery options are a bit more limited. Pizza is not this town's strong point. My favorite is Magazine Pizza, but they take about an hour and are kind of far so the pizza is rarely hot when we get it. I get Papa John's in about twenty minutes, which is a big factor when you have a two year old and a four year old who are hungry and want their pizza. That said, I would endorse Magazine Pizza over Papa John's any day of the week.
 
2012-11-16 04:47:16 PM  

whidbey: Dancin_In_Anson: MithrandirBooga: Capitalism is dying.

It's not dying per se. It's being killed by those that this it's the enemy.

Spit it out, man.


Those that this it's the enemy are killing it.
 
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