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(Politico)   "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour and is doing a $30M "free pizza" promotion is upset that he has to spend $8M to provide his employees with healthcare   (politico.com) divider line 706
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2012-11-16 04:03:06 PM

SlothB77: quickdraw: SlothB77: Papa John doesn't know how to run his pizza business. The government should force Pizza restaurant owners to give their employees health insurance. If they don't, then our government should nationalize the pizza industry. It is for the greater good of ensuring pizza cooks and pizza delivery drivers get health insurance. After all, Obama knows how to run a pizza delivery franchise better than Papa John.

You might have a point here if Obamacare only affected pizza delivery franchises. But thats the point of government - to enact policy that will benefit the populace as a whole. I agree that business owners should not have to bear the cost alone of what is a public good. Healthcare should be part of basic infrastructure like roads and bridges. Hopefully we can get to single-payer eventually because a healthy populace makes good sense both for the economy and hygeine.

well, you're in luck. Obamacare was written in such a way that the Papa John's of this country can't afford health insurance for their employees. Even companies that were providing health care for their employees before Obamacare can't afford Obamacare. And, as desired, so few people will be on employer health plans there will be no choice but single payer. And the consumer always wins when choice is restricted - when their options are a one-size-fits-all plan for the entire country.


Your statements are certainly worth considering, following your establishment of credibility by predicting that Mr. Romney would win his bid for the Presidency.
 
2012-11-16 04:03:36 PM
If there pizzas didn't taste like ass I would boycott them.

But their pizzas taste like ass so I don't buy them anyways.

till the guys a douchbag and peyton manning is an asshat
 
2012-11-16 04:03:58 PM

tricycleracer: Blue_Blazer: Here is what pisses me off in this thread: the anti-assistance types repeat some form of "well they choose to work in a shiatty job so it's their fault." Are you people unaware that there are not enough well-paying jobs out there? Do you understand that even if that one fictional worker goes out and gets a better job with benefits, that now somebody else is working that shiat job. Do you really think people choose shiatty jobs, or are those the only jobs available? There are always going to be winners and losers in a capitalist economy, but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like shiat.

You would be better of suggesting we get rid of shiat jobs than telling everybody in your fantasy world to just get a better job. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF THOSE JOBS.

They think there's enough of a labor pool from 16-22 that only students ever work these kinds of jobs. If you're an adult working a shiatty job, well you must have done something wrong in life and deserve whatever scraps you get.



Ahh, republican douchebags, the stupid that keeps on stupiding.
 
2012-11-16 04:04:19 PM

Mrtraveler01: I'll pay the extra 14 cents per pizza if everyone will shut the fark up about this.

Jesus, the priorities of some people in this country are farked up.


I will too. But I'd rather see his dough-slinging employees' wages go up percentage-wise as much as even his middle managers, or even half as much.

Seriously, f*ckers, look at the graphs on wages for the top earners and the bottom earners. You cannot argue that this shiat is sustainable.
 
2012-11-16 04:04:23 PM

tricycleracer: Can we all agree that Jet's Pizza truly sucks?


Yes, yes we can.

If you want a good local place I recommend CD Roma's or Feola's.
But since you're downtown you also get to have Joey Brooklyn's.
 
2012-11-16 04:04:43 PM

theknuckler_33: Maybe you should have supported a single-payer system then asshole... instead, you got the GOP inspired alternative created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. Look in the farking mirror once in a while you disingenuous farks!


Well, see the idea is that those employees take that $7 an hour and buy health insurance themselves, because you know, you can do so much with $7 an hour. It's amazing.
 
2012-11-16 04:05:04 PM

SlothB77: well, you're in luck. Obamacare was written in such a way that the Papa John's of this country can't afford health insurance for their employees. Even companies that were providing health care for their employees before Obamacare can't afford Obamacare.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA, THIS IS WHAT TEABAGGERS REALLY BELIEVE.
 
2012-11-16 04:05:14 PM

sprawl15: skullkrusher: sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?

sure

So is it just that you don't know how averages work?

I simply don't understand how you can be so totally confused by the basic math involved here. Either you're grossly ignorant or you're deliberately being stupid.


I have a pretty good handle on how averages work so there's really no confusion. I hadn't considered drivers but I don't think it is "gross ignorance" and it is certainly not deliberate. Of course, Papa John's franchises their locations so the majority of people under "Papa" John's employ are mostly the staff necessary to maintain a large, publicly traded company - not delivery drivers. This just got terribly awkward for you.
 
2012-11-16 04:05:41 PM
Yeah well.
His pizza sucks bland ass.
 
2012-11-16 04:05:48 PM

cryinoutloud: "Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

Fighting the law? Well, now doesn't that make him a good citizen.

muck4doo: There are other pizza places that do offer benefits.
[turklishtefl.com image 386x350]

Never worked a low-wage job in your life, have you?




My Bush supporting in-law, ex in-law sister in law once quit her pizza job. The proprietor wanted health insurance for his employees, and ate some of his profits to get that. ( was damn fine pizza too ). She quit because she would have had to pay a couple of bucks into the health insurance, but had to take the health insurance as part of the divorve agreement ( due to the kid ).

I felt so bad for the pizza restaurant owner. He brought real NY pizza to the midwest, actually got quality ingredients and had the heart to care for the people who worked for him. He was one of those sincere, non proselytizing Christians.

This had me enraged. She could not spare like 35$/month to get the kid healthcare and preferred instead to use the emergency room if he got a fever. She later got a job at dominos ( I guess she was locked into pizza ). She fed that kid pizza that she smuggled from work three meals a day, 7 days a week. She never bought him clothes ( lets let the grandparents do that ), but she had enough to smoke and buy nice shoes and new video games each month.

Sorry, just...frustrating. When I think of red state voters, I think of her. I feel so bad for the kid, he's a good kid. I'm venting :( :( :( and not in a funny farky way.
 
2012-11-16 04:05:53 PM

dryknife: What will Papa John's Tombstone say?


"Aren't you glad you are eating me instead of that crap you sell?"
 
2012-11-16 04:06:34 PM
so did the Papa Johns in Massachusetts do this when Romney implemented his Romneycare?
 
2012-11-16 04:06:35 PM

ghare: Con Fabulous: i

A pal of mine just bought a new Porsche (ok, it had 6000 miles on it).

Can't afford to give his 39 employees a $5 a week raise because of taxes.


Dude, that's almost $200 a week!

He's probably thinking long-term. Sure, he might have a brand new Porsche now, but where will he be in 5 years when it's no longer so shiny and his world is spiraling down into a dark abyss? Coincidentally, $5 a week for 39 people over 5 years is the price of a new Porsche...
 
2012-11-16 04:06:56 PM

cryinoutloud: "Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

Fighting the law? Well, now doesn't that make him a good citizen.

muck4doo: There are other pizza places that do offer benefits.
[turklishtefl.com image 386x350]

Never worked a low-wage job in your life, have you?



http://www.fark.com/comments/7437362/You-know-whos-happy-about-Papa- Jo hns-adding-an-ObamaCharge-to-their-prices-Every-other-pizza-chain-that s-who
 
2012-11-16 04:07:06 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?

No. That's quite impressive. But that doesn't mean I have to like that he is a selfish, greedy prick.


It's really not that impressive if you know anything about the foodservice industry. No lease to pay? No equipment costs? He was already ten steps ahead of anyone else starting from scratch.
 
2012-11-16 04:07:51 PM
scienceblogs.com
 
2012-11-16 04:08:01 PM

serial_crusher: He shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. The government should EVERYONE SHOULD BUY THEIR OWN.

 
2012-11-16 04:08:31 PM

Con Fabulous: ghare: Con Fabulous: i

A pal of mine just bought a new Porsche (ok, it had 6000 miles on it).

Can't afford to give his 39 employees a $5 a week raise because of taxes.

Dude, that's almost $200 a week!

He's probably thinking long-term. Sure, he might have a brand new Porsche now, but where will he be in 5 years when it's no longer so shiny and his world is spiraling down into a dark abyss? Coincidentally, $5 a week for 39 people over 5 years is the price of a new Porsche...


He's also positive Obama really is a sekret muslin anti-colonialist who pledged on his father's grave to destroy America.
 
2012-11-16 04:08:46 PM
I'd join a Papa John's boycott if I didn't already not eat there over it being shiatty pizza.
 
2012-11-16 04:09:32 PM
His pizza is bad and he should feel bad.

Even if his pizza was good - which it is not - this is how he wants for a public image? "If my candidate loses an election I am going to raise my prices and be a dick to my employees". That's soem fine PR work there Lou.

Oh and Peyton Manning now has like 30+ Papa Johns franchises. Just one more reason to not like him.
 
2012-11-16 04:09:38 PM
I'll gladly pay $1 more for pizza if it means healthcare for all the food workers. I get him being upset since multiplying 10 cents times a million pizzas is a chunk of change (pocket change for him) but why are the customers upset? Is a dime really that big of deal? Also you know how ridiculously inexpensive pizza is to make? It has one of the highest return values of any kind of food a restaurant can serve
 
2012-11-16 04:09:50 PM

CujoQuarrel: serial_crusher: He shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. The government should EVERYONE SHOULD BUY THEIR OWN.


wow, you've totally solved the healthcare problem we have in america.

Brilliant! Buy your own. Oh if only someone would let the poor know thats all they need to do.

You sir should run as a candidate for the tea party.
 
2012-11-16 04:09:52 PM

CujoQuarrel: serial_crusher: He shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. The government should EVERYONE SHOULD BUY THEIR OWN.


And those that can't?
 
2012-11-16 04:09:59 PM
This is real folks
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2012-11-16 04:10:09 PM
To be honest, if the restaurants I go to raise their prices 14 cents, I probably wouldn't even notice.
 
2012-11-16 04:10:14 PM

propasaurus: I suspect that in the long run, guys like "Papa" and that Denny's douchebag who's telling his customers to tip less are making it easier for the public at large to accept single payer.


And what, pray tell, would lead you to believe that they do not want this?

/Imagine all those corporations and their bottom lines if they did not have to contribute to health insurance for employees.
//Or union retirees.
///More money for the CxO!
 
2012-11-16 04:10:20 PM
"Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour

I sense a race for the Presidency
 
2012-11-16 04:11:24 PM

Tradskinzd: tricycleracer: Can we all agree that Jet's Pizza truly sucks?

Yes, yes we can.

If you want a good local place I recommend CD Roma's or Feola's.
But since you're downtown you also get to have Joey Brooklyn's.


I've been hooked on Old Northeast Pizza lately. Cash only is a pain, but it's really good stuff.
 
2012-11-16 04:12:02 PM
I totally agree with him. Employers shouldn't have to pay for health care at all. I'm glad to hear he's advocating for single payer insurance.

That's what he's advocating for, right?
 
2012-11-16 04:12:15 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: CujoQuarrel: serial_crusher: He shouldn't have to pay for their healthcare. The government should EVERYONE SHOULD BUY THEIR OWN.

wow, you've totally solved the healthcare problem we have in america.

Brilliant! Buy your own. Oh if only someone would let the poor know thats all they need to do.

You sir should run as a candidate for the tea party.


And if you don't have any money just borrow it from your parents, my friend.
 
2012-11-16 04:13:40 PM
His HQ is down the street from Humana's HQ. He can pay them in pizza.
 
2012-11-16 04:13:52 PM

dennysgod: To be honest, if the restaurants I go to raise their prices 14 cents, I probably wouldn't even notice.


Exactly -so, he's making this political statement for absolutely no reason. He could have just added the $0.15 onto his pizza and kept his mouth shut. Now, on TOP OF the problem of trying to unload soggy cardboard with ketchup on it, he also has to sell it to people who think he's a farking asshole.
 
2012-11-16 04:14:03 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I'll gladly pay $1 more for pizza if it means healthcare for all the food workers. I get him being upset since multiplying 10 cents times a million pizzas is a chunk of change (pocket change for him) but why are the customers upset? Is a dime really that big of deal? Also you know how ridiculously inexpensive pizza is to make? It has one of the highest return values of any kind of food a restaurant can serve


Somebody here suggested he could charge 25 cents more per pizza, and make positive PR (and 11 cents) by marketing it as his contribution to worker's health. Instead, he decided to be a dick.
 
2012-11-16 04:14:21 PM
Papa John is paying his employees exactly the wage they are worth. Working in a pizza place doesn't require much education or any decent technical skills or abilities. If they want to earn more they should get an education and find a better job, or they could always take a risk and start up their own business.
 
2012-11-16 04:14:21 PM

whidbey: "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour

I sense a race for the Presidency


Sorry, they already tried running an asshole with a shiatty pizza chain.

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2012-11-16 04:14:31 PM

Zoophagous: His pizza is bad and he should feel bad.

Even if his pizza was good - which it is not - this is how he wants for a public image? "If my candidate loses an election I am going to raise my prices and be a dick to my employees". That's soem fine PR work there Lou.

Oh and Peyton Manning now has like 30+ Papa Johns franchises. Just one more reason to not like him.


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I hated that dickhead since he started ad-whoring every commercial all those years ago. F*ck him.
 
2012-11-16 04:14:52 PM
Since when do pizza delivery boys get health care benefits anyways? Granted it's been a while since I was in food service, but if I recall most shiat-ass jobs like that offer less than 40 hours per week so that none of the employees are full time and eligible for benefits.A lot of people working in food service only get enough hours to make part time wages, so they have two or three jobs - without any benefits. I'm sure the people working office jobs at Papa John Corporate Headquarters have insurance, and maybe some of the store managers, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of the workforce has zero health care as it is.
 
2012-11-16 04:14:56 PM

rowast: This is real folks
[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 797x598]


They sure look like people the GOP loves.
 
JW
2012-11-16 04:15:11 PM
"We're standing up for a business owner that was bold enough to tell investors and the American people that the Affordable Care Act will hurt profits," Justen Charters, the group's president, told POLITICO.

Having to provide healthcare for employees hurts profits.
Having to pay employees a certain minimum wage hurts profits.
Having to maintain safe and non discriminatory standards in the workplace hurts profits.
Having to dispose of garbage in a responsible way hurts profits.
Having to ensure that food meets certain safety standards hurts profits.
Having to ensure delivery vehicles meet certain standards hurts profits.
Having to pay employees hurts profits.
Having competitors hurts profits.
Having consumer access to information about health decisions hurts profits.

Sure, some standards hurts profits. Too bad. It's called "being part of society". I don't get how people can get all worked up that somehow standard is "totally unreasonable" whereas others somehow don't merit discussion. I *really* don't get it when the argument is "but I want to make a hundred million a year and not give my employees health care" versus "givnig employees health care and making ninety million a year".
 
2012-11-16 04:15:25 PM

Semi-Sane: If they want to earn more they should get an education


Fine, make education more affordable in this country.
 
2012-11-16 04:16:59 PM

skullkrusher: lennavan: skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: What a farking shame! He'll have to match their premiums, such a damned socialist disgrace. This is why we need to repeal socialist Obamacare immediately so we can go back to the way things were, with these employees having to get their healthcare from Medicaid instead!

well, yeah.
The public wants people to have health insurance, the public should provide it - not demand that someone else do so

Do you also hate that the public demands a minimum wage?

not particularly.


Do you get a general feeling of discomfort holding those two beliefs simultaneously?
 
2012-11-16 04:17:04 PM

Semi-Sane: or they could always take a risk and start up their own business.


Most people don't have a free lease and free use of equipment in the back of the old man's bar.
 
2012-11-16 04:17:08 PM

RedPhoenix122: Fine, make education more affordable in this country.


borrow it from your parents, my friend
 
2012-11-16 04:17:32 PM

skullkrusher: Of course, Papa John's franchises their locations so the majority of people under "Papa" John's employ are mostly the staff necessary to maintain a large, publicly traded company - not delivery drivers. This just got terribly awkward for you.


Sure, if you're a disingenuous shiat who thinks the only number that should only be looked at solely on the corporate level rather than across franchises is average salary.
 
2012-11-16 04:17:36 PM

RedPhoenix122: Sorry, they already tried running an asshole with a shiatty pizza chain.


Racist.
 
2012-11-16 04:17:41 PM
This makes me feel left out. I can never boycott any of these a-hole RW "businessmen" who shoot their mouths off publicly - because none of them ever seem to make or sell anything i would touch with a ten-foot pole to begin with.
Papa John's? Walrus smegma on cardboard.
Cick-fil-A? Salty, greasy, rancid hillbilly chow.
Walmart? The outer dungeon of Hell.
Fox News? Unlistenable.

It's kind of frustrating.
 
2012-11-16 04:17:49 PM

I alone am best: FunkyBlue: I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.

Sadly, yes. It's the garlic butter.

If I had to compare it to other dominos. little caesars, pizza hut ect I would have to say it was the bread. All the bread from the other places sits like a rock in my gut. So I would rank it as follows.

Papa Johns
Pizza Hut
Dominos/Sbarro

Little Caesars


Have you tried Dominos Artisan pizza? The crust is wildly different from their regular pizzas (like a truly hand-tossed crust), and overall they′re actually pretty yummy. The Spinach & Feta is my favorite. I just wish they′d let you add ingredients: adding chicken to that one should be quite good indeed, a nice Florentine-style pizza. A single Artisan pizza serves two people for lunch or one really hungry person for dinner.

The American Legends are also pretty good, but are on the same crusts as their regular pizzas. Speaking of which, they recently replaced their Deep Dish crust with a new Pan crust, and they also offer a gluten-free crust.

In short, Dominos has not stood still. If you′re judging them based on ½ a decade or more ago, give ′em another try. It′s really not the same anymore.
 
2012-11-16 04:17:59 PM
How do you people eat that shiat?
 
2012-11-16 04:18:16 PM

yelmrog: Lionel Mandrake: Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?

No. That's quite impressive. But that doesn't mean I have to like that he is a selfish, greedy prick.

It's really not that impressive if you know anything about the foodservice industry. No lease to pay? No equipment costs? He was already ten steps ahead of anyone else starting from scratch.


He bought a pizza oven, and rented the storage room from his father.
He's still a total yam-bag, but he really did start the business from nothing.

A guy I graduated high-school with started a pizza joint in 1991, and now it's up to five locations. No giant chain, but he preferrs being more of a hands-on guy, and splits his time between all of the locations. His food is great, there's a pretty good beer menu, and live music on the weekends. He started with pretty much nothing, and is doing pretty well.
I don't know how he feels about 'Bamacare, but his politics were always fairly liberal. I have no idea what his payroll/benefits structure is.
 
2012-11-16 04:18:17 PM

sprawl15: average salary wage.


FTFM
 
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