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(Politico)   "Papa" John who is worth $600M, lives in a $7M mansion (with a 22-car garage), pays his employees an average of $7 per hour and is doing a $30M "free pizza" promotion is upset that he has to spend $8M to provide his employees with healthcare   (politico.com) divider line 706
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2012-11-16 03:50:16 PM  
Moral of the story: To save rent-seeking trickle-down economics, it is necessary to let a reasonable amount of the money actually trickle down. Otherwise you'll get ground up by the median voter theorem once the middle class figures out you're hoarding the cash and they now have a lot more in common with the poor than they do with you. It sucks ... but one person, one vote.
 
2012-11-16 03:50:49 PM  

muck4doo: InmanRoshi: Next thing you know we'll be living in a shiathole remembling Sweden, rather than the utopian dream of a Calcutta slum with the sick and diseased dying in the gutters.


Because the U.S. has been just like Culcutta to this point.

/That was derptastic, I gotta admit


No thankfully we have a social net in place because the "public demanded stuff".
 
2012-11-16 03:51:37 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: Plus, the garlic dipping sauce, dude, the garlic dipping sauce.


That sauce is liquid crack and the banana pepper is the pipe with which to smoke it.

/College roommate was a PJ delivery guy.
//Ate lots of free PJs.
///Never again.
 
2012-11-16 03:51:38 PM  

eagles95: I stand by whomever said upthread to order from a good local place and screw this guy with a rusty hook. At work we have successfully lobbied the powers that be that on pizza day to order from 1 of 3 local places. We are a smaller company and giving our money to a chain doesn't make sense.


You are assuming there is a good local place. I've tried all the local places, they're all horrible.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:07 PM  

sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?


sure
 
2012-11-16 03:52:21 PM  
These "conservative claiming that Obama policy X will force them to raise prices" stories are the height of stupidity.

If they could sell their product for a higher price successfully, they would have already done it and pocketed the cash. That leaves us with two options: either A) The business is just barely breaking even and is forced to raise prices or close or B) some jackass worth $600,000,000 is asking for public sympathy in order to get people to swallow the increased costs of his business so that his profit margin can remain the same.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:23 PM  

I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.


Why the f*ck do you have to make me agree with you for once?
 
2012-11-16 03:52:23 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: AdolfOliverPanties: Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

propasaurus: Didn't he borrow the start up money from his dad? Y'know, the Romney Plan

Wiki references him buying back the Camaro he sold to start the business. Papa Johns site says he started it with $1600 out of the back of his Father's bar. So, yeah, bootstrappy. Don't you hate that?


No. That's quite impressive. But that doesn't mean I have to like that he is a selfish, greedy prick.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:28 PM  

InmanRoshi: muck4doo: InmanRoshi: Next thing you know we'll be living in a shiathole remembling Sweden, rather than the utopian dream of a Calcutta slum with the sick and diseased dying in the gutters.


Because the U.S. has been just like Culcutta to this point.

/That was derptastic, I gotta admit

No thankfully we have a social net in place because the "public demanded stuff".


So you're saying you were just being silly then? Good enough. I like to be silly at times to. We'll have to do pancakes at IHOP sometime.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:28 PM  

I alone am best: St_Francis_P: skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: What a farking shame! He'll have to match their premiums, such a damned socialist disgrace. This is why we need to repeal socialist Obamacare immediately so we can go back to the way things were, with these employees having to get their healthcare from Medicaid instead!

well, yeah.
The public wants people to have health insurance, the public should provide it - not demand that someone else do so

Most people here would agree. Obamacare is similar to Romneycare and other Republican plans, and so had a chance to pass Congress. There was no way single-payer would have passed.

How many republicans voted for obamacare?


Dunno. In any event, a lot of Democrats would have been afraid to vote for single-payer, because of the association with socialism.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:33 PM  
I'm OK with guys like this getting the publicity they deserve.Kind of like how Chic-Fil-A has become the I'm With Stupid chicken place. Enjoy your #1 spot with toothless rednecks.
 
2012-11-16 03:52:58 PM  

I alone am best: St_Francis_P: skullkrusher: YoungSwedishBlonde: What a farking shame! He'll have to match their premiums, such a damned socialist disgrace. This is why we need to repeal socialist Obamacare immediately so we can go back to the way things were, with these employees having to get their healthcare from Medicaid instead!

well, yeah.
The public wants people to have health insurance, the public should provide it - not demand that someone else do so

Most people here would agree. Obamacare is similar to Romneycare and other Republican plans, and so had a chance to pass Congress. There was no way single-payer would have passed.

How many republicans voted for obamacare?


How many republicans would rape kittens if it helped them politically?

NEXT.... on Geraldo!
 
2012-11-16 03:53:01 PM  

sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?


Now now, you can't expect rightwingers to argue based on FACTS, their campaigns aren't going to be dictated to by factcheckers!
 
2012-11-16 03:53:09 PM  

vernonFL: I want the person making my pizza to have the flu and untreated genital warts.


img1.ak.crunchyroll.com
 
2012-11-16 03:53:25 PM  

FunkyBlue: I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.

Sadly, yes. It's the garlic butter.


If I had to compare it to other dominos. little caesars, pizza hut ect I would have to say it was the bread. All the bread from the other places sits like a rock in my gut. So I would rank it as follows.

Papa Johns
Pizza Hut
Dominos/Sbarro

Little Caesars
 
2012-11-16 03:53:54 PM  

muck4doo: It's a perfect left wing circle of derp from another entitled child who thinks everyone else is responsible for taking care of him. Health insurance has always been a perk employers offer, how you think it should be an entitlement backed by the government says a lot about you... We already have programs in place to help those without insurance and, you can try looking them up if you're ever bored.


wtfamireading.jpg
 
2012-11-16 03:53:54 PM  

FunkyBlue: I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.

Sadly, yes. It's the garlic butter.


I just had Papa John's for the first time the other week. I don't know why you think that garlic crap they throw in makes it taste any better. There are a couple good local places around, but unfortunately when I was ordering, it was too late for them to be open. Can't say I'll go with Papa John's again though. Threw most of it out.
 
2012-11-16 03:53:55 PM  
Can we all agree that Jet's Pizza truly sucks?
 
2012-11-16 03:54:21 PM  
What will Papa John's Tombstone say?
 
2012-11-16 03:54:23 PM  

InmanRoshi: muck4doo: InmanRoshi: Next thing you know we'll be living in a shiathole remembling Sweden, rather than the utopian dream of a Calcutta slum with the sick and diseased dying in the gutters.


Because the U.S. has been just like Culcutta to this point.

/That was derptastic, I gotta admit

No thankfully we have a social net in place because the "public demanded stuff".


But yes, before that point where the workforce organized, workplace regulations went into effect, labor laws were implemented, and a social infrastructure was established (ie all the things rich white people hate) around the turn of the 20th Century.... yes, the major urban areas in the US did resemble Calcutta.
 
2012-11-16 03:54:34 PM  
"Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

Fighting the law? Well, now doesn't that make him a good citizen.

muck4doo: There are other pizza places that do offer benefits.

turklishtefl.com

Never worked a low-wage job in your life, have you?
 
2012-11-16 03:54:47 PM  

coeyagi: I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.

Why the f*ck do you have to make me agree with you for once?


We agree on a lot more, I just don't post about. Where would the fun be in that?
 
2012-11-16 03:55:13 PM  

Con Fabulous: i


A pal of mine just bought a new Porsche (ok, it had 6000 miles on it).

Can't afford to give his 39 employees a $5 a week raise because of taxes.
 
2012-11-16 03:55:38 PM  
I'm gonna rob a Papa Johns tonight, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2012-11-16 03:56:04 PM  

skullkrusher: sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?

sure


So is it just that you don't know how averages work?

I simply don't understand how you can be so totally confused by the basic math involved here. Either you're grossly ignorant or you're deliberately being stupid.
 
2012-11-16 03:56:32 PM  

dryknife: What will Papa John's Tombstone say?


Congressional medal of honor winner... survived countless incursions into untapped markets.... killed for vagrancy butthurt about the same law everyone else deals with.
 
2012-11-16 03:57:38 PM  
Here is what pisses me off in this thread: the anti-assistance types repeat some form of "well they choose to work in a shiatty job so it's their fault." Are you people unaware that there are not enough well-paying jobs out there? Do you understand that even if that one fictional worker goes out and gets a better job with benefits, that now somebody else is working that shiat job. Do you really think people choose shiatty jobs, or are those the only jobs available? There are always going to be winners and losers in a capitalist economy, but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like shiat.

You would be better of suggesting we get rid of shiat jobs than telling everybody in your fantasy world to just get a better job. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF THOSE JOBS.
 
2012-11-16 03:57:54 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The Left thinks we are discouraged; they think they have won. Let's send a clear message this Friday, like we did on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day, that we are here to stay and that we won't stop fighting."

So the gays are responsible for Obamacare! Of course! It all makes so much sense now.


The quote is great. How many times has Fox News called Obama the most divisive president in history? I guess republicans don't seem to think they are pitting Americans against each other. However when you think about they probably aren't, since liberals aren't real Americans anyways.
 
2012-11-16 03:58:18 PM  
Add them to my new business ban list:

Target
Menards
Walmart
Papa John's
 
2012-11-16 03:58:26 PM  

skepticultist: muck4doo: It's a perfect left wing circle of derp from another entitled child who thinks everyone else is responsible for taking care of him. Health insurance has always been a perk employers offer, how you think it should be an entitlement backed by the government says a lot about you... We already have programs in place to help those without insurance and, you can try looking them up if you're ever bored.

wtfamireading.jpg


A post where some bootstrappy right winger refuses to acknowledge that a business should take part in ensuring the health of their employees so that the cost is borne directly on those that use the business instead of everyone. Instead he or she wants the government too. Meanwhile, in another thread he or she is bemoaning how large government is and how much it is taxing people
 
2012-11-16 03:58:27 PM  
Papa Johns could support free weed and blow jobs and I still wouldn't eat their crappy pizza
 
2012-11-16 03:58:36 PM  

sprawl15: skullkrusher: sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?

sure

So is it just that you don't know how averages work?

I simply don't understand how you can be so totally confused by the basic math involved here. Either you're grossly ignorant or you're deliberately being stupid.


So what you're really saying is delivery drivers need to be audited because they are not reporting tips?
 
2012-11-16 03:58:54 PM  
He is an evil rich guy, he deserves to be demonized, and like all the other dickweeds who improve their profit margin by exploiting and underpaying their workers, he needs to shut up and cover his employees' healthcare (currently paid for by you and me out of our taxes at an emergency room near you). And, like Chik-Fil-A, he's about to learn that , while there's a limit to how much money people will spend to demonstrate political sympathy, there's no limit to how much they WON'T spend to show their displeasure. If he wants to be boycotted, fine by me...
 
2012-11-16 03:58:58 PM  
Personally, I was amused by Chik-fil-A Appreciation Day. Millions of suckers wait three hours in line for a mediocre sandwich. Yet, this election added three new states that approves gay marriages.

I will say that Dan Cathy owes Mike Huckabee a blowjob. A long, deep-throating blowjob.
 
2012-11-16 03:59:03 PM  
Wonder if Peyton Manning treats his employees like crap like Papa John.

/since he owns 21 Papa John's in CO.
//how much of those 2 million "pizzas" is he responsible for
 
2012-11-16 03:59:22 PM  

Con Fabulous: These "conservative claiming that Obama policy X will force them to raise prices" stories are the height of stupidity.

If they could sell their product for a higher price successfully, they would have already done it and pocketed the cash. That leaves us with two options: either A) The business is just barely breaking even and is forced to raise prices or close or B) some jackass worth $600,000,000 is asking for public sympathy in order to get people to swallow the increased costs of his business so that his profit margin can remain the same.


This is why I treat all these instances of employers claiming that Obamacare is doing X to their business worth a grain of salt. If Obamacare really forces your hand to raise prices to maintain the same profit margin, there's no requirement to publicly proclaim this and advertise to the whole world that your prices are going up. Doing so would not only put you at a disadvantage with those who support the law, but also would embed in the mindset of EVERYONE that your prices are higher than say, Domino's or Pizza Hut, who have remained quiet. The only reason this dickbag is doing all this is because he values the ability to assail Obamacare at the price of whatever lost sales come of his announcement.
 
2012-11-16 03:59:47 PM  
you know, i could manage to have the smallest possible amount of respect for conservatives if they could manage to be honest about what they believe.

i hope this guy gets devoured by hyenas.
 
2012-11-16 04:00:08 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Here is what pisses me off in this thread: the anti-assistance types repeat some form of "well they choose to work in a shiatty job so it's their fault." Are you people unaware that there are not enough well-paying jobs out there? Do you understand that even if that one fictional worker goes out and gets a better job with benefits, that now somebody else is working that shiat job. Do you really think people choose shiatty jobs, or are those the only jobs available? There are always going to be winners and losers in a capitalist economy, but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like shiat.

You would be better of suggesting we get rid of shiat jobs than telling everybody in your fantasy world to just get a better job. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF THOSE JOBS.


They think there's enough of a labor pool from 16-22 that only students ever work these kinds of jobs. If you're an adult working a shiatty job, well you must have done something wrong in life and deserve whatever scraps you get.
 
2012-11-16 04:00:11 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Here is what pisses me off in this thread: the anti-assistance types repeat some form of "well they choose to work in a shiatty job so it's their fault." Are you people unaware that there are not enough well-paying jobs out there? Do you understand that even if that one fictional worker goes out and gets a better job with benefits, that now somebody else is working that shiat job. Do you really think people choose shiatty jobs, or are those the only jobs available? There are always going to be winners and losers in a capitalist economy, but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like shiat.

You would be better of suggesting we get rid of shiat jobs than telling everybody in your fantasy world to just get a better job. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH OF THOSE JOBS.


And there is a sizable portion of any population that is never, ever going to be qualified for high paying jobs, no matter if you made them go to school every day for 24 hours a day for 20 years.
 
2012-11-16 04:00:12 PM  
Schnatter is a local boy (Southern Indiana) so we sometimes get a little gossip about him. I spoke with an attorney who went to high school with "Papa" John. He said the guy was a douche, but he sold good weed and never shorted the weight.
 
2012-11-16 04:00:54 PM  

ShawnDoc: You are assuming there is a good local place. I've tried all the local places, they're all horrible.


What's even more amazing is that Papa John's and Dominoes are putting successfully competing with the local pizza guys in NYC. And they are often more expensive, too, so it isn't the cheap food thing.

I mean, why are people buying that crap when you can't throw a stone without hitting someone making a competent slice?

//stoopid new yawkers
 
2012-11-16 04:01:11 PM  

InmanRoshi: InmanRoshi: muck4doo: InmanRoshi: Next thing you know we'll be living in a shiathole remembling Sweden, rather than the utopian dream of a Calcutta slum with the sick and diseased dying in the gutters.


Because the U.S. has been just like Culcutta to this point.

/That was derptastic, I gotta admit

No thankfully we have a social net in place because the "public demanded stuff".

But yes, before that point where the workforce organized, workplace regulations went into effect, labor laws were implemented, and a social infrastructure was established (ie all the things rich white people hate) around the turn of the 20th Century.... yes, the major urban areas in the US did resemble Calcutta.


Can we agree Papa John is bad because of Jerry Jones?

/Gonna head to CowboysZone for a bit
 
2012-11-16 04:01:19 PM  

I alone am best: AdolfOliverPanties: Dancin_In_Anson: What's this guy's story? Not much in wiki. How did he get his start?

Bootstraps. Had to be bootstraps.

Subby forgot to mention that this guy's pizza is farking terrible.

Compared to all the other fast food pizza, papa johns is awesome.


HotWingConspiracy: JerseyTim: It's unbelievable that you can make $600 million selling shiatty pizza.

No.


[img.photobucket.com image 625x600]


That's genius! The markup on engine lifters sold as "Medical Apparatus" must be enormous.
 
2012-11-16 04:01:20 PM  
Maybe you should have supported a single-payer system then asshole... instead, you got the GOP inspired alternative created by the conservative Heritage Foundation. Look in the farking mirror once in a while you disingenuous farks!
 
2012-11-16 04:01:38 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Here is what pisses me off in this thread: the anti-assistance types repeat some form of "well they choose to work in a shiatty job so it's their fault." Are you people unaware that there are not enough well-paying jobs out there? Do you understand that even if that one fictional worker goes out and gets a better job with benefits, that now somebody else is working that shiat job. Do you really think people choose shiatty jobs, or are those the only jobs available? There are always going to be winners and losers in a capitalist economy, but that doesn't mean we have to treat them like shiat.


those people just got to be smart and work harder like those two women fighting over David Petraeus.
 
2012-11-16 04:01:53 PM  

skullkrusher: sprawl15: skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25

You are aware that delivery drivers are paid as tipped employees, right?

sure


FWIW, I have worked delivery for Pizza Hut, Dominos, and a couple of local places (hey it was kinda fun and you can smoke) and not once was I ever paid less than the actual minimum wage, not the 2.13 or whatever the food servant wage is.
 
2012-11-16 04:02:20 PM  

muck4doo: Can we agree Papa John is bad because of Jerry Jones?


I think that's something everybody can agree with. F*ckin' Jones.
 
2012-11-16 04:02:26 PM  
I'll pay the extra 14 cents per pizza if everyone will shut the fark up about this.

Jesus, the priorities of some people in this country are farked up.
 
2012-11-16 04:02:33 PM  

skullkrusher: wow, somebody better call the Dept of Labor on him. Federal minimum wage is $7.25


Not for tipped employees, which is the majority of their employee base. That being said, no way the average PJ's wage is $7/hr.

/worked there for almost 2 years
//would deepthroat a shotgun before eating any of their "food"
 
2012-11-16 04:02:51 PM  
"OK, sir, that'll be $10.00 for your pizza"

"OK, I've got a nice crisp sawbuck for ya right here..."

"Oh, I'm sorry...in order to provide health insurance for our employees, I'm going to have to charge you $10.14"

"WHAT?!? THAT'S A GODDAM OUTRAGE!!1! F*CK THAT! YOU CAN SHOVE THAT PIE UP YOUR ASS PAPA JOHN!!"

"Oh dear...we will clearly have to fire people and make everyone part-time to survive this tyrranical communist oppression"

Dumb-fark "conservatives": YAY for Papa John!! I already eat Chik-fil-A on odd days, so from now on, it's Papa John's on even days!  This country will cease to be great when we don't support insanely wealthy people who would rather screw all their employees than tack on 14 fkn cents to their shiatty product.
 
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