Just because they make $8/hour* and get less than a week of vacation per year doesn't make them slaves!

* Or less if they're temp workers

That explains why my new microwave cart is named "Toby"

holy crap! they've never bought sneakers in America, huh.

Linoleum_Blownapart: Just because they make $8/hour* and get less than a week of vacation per year doesn't make them slaves!

* Or less if they're temp workers

or you could post something relevant to tfa.

Communist Germany political prisoners in forced labour camps, I'm quite sure, did not get any holidays or receive any payment.

/Though this was a 'snowflake' headline about Swedes making their own children assemble ikea furniture, with no candy reward.

In before before "not true communists."

ringersol: Without their knowledge.
Despite explicit attempts to prevent it.
Thirty to fifty years ago.

I think it speaks to IKEA's corporate character that they even give a shiat about mistakes made decades ago.
US corporations usually can't be bothered to give a shiat about what mistakes they made *last quarter*.
Let alone bother to apologize or claim they won't repeat them.

Hell, even the very concept of a US corporation *having* character is laughable on its face.

I only wish my purchases would count as a charitiable donation.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/04/11/157682/ikea-thwarts-union s /?mobile=wp

uttertosh: Linoleum_Blownapart: Just because they make $8/hour* and get less than a week of vacation per year doesn't make them slaves!

* Or less if they're temp workers

or you could post something relevant to tfa.

Communist Germany political prisoners in forced labour camps, I'm quite sure, did not get any holidays or receive any payment.

/Though this was a 'snowflake' headline about Swedes making their own children assemble ikea furniture, with no candy reward.

Yes, I can see that Ikea's current labor issues have no relevance to their labor issues from the 80's. It's not like the same people are making these decisions.

Random Discord: Um they were prisoners, not slaves.

I'm OK with it

I was just thinking that for our inmates in the US, I'd rather see the prisoners working and earning some money and self respect than spending all their time in the gym or learning how to be better criminals.

Behold - UNICOR.

ringersol: Without their knowledge.
Despite explicit attempts to prevent it.
Thirty to fifty years ago.

I think it speaks to IKEA's corporate character that they even give a shiat about mistakes made decades ago.
US corporations usually can't be bothered to give a shiat about what mistakes they made *last quarter*.
Let alone bother to apologize or claim they won't repeat them.

Hell, even the very concept of a US corporation *having* character is laughable on its face.

Um, yeah...'cause they are admitting it out of the goodness of their hearts not because someone outed them. Did you RTFA?

That would explain why there is usualy several pieces missing. The prisoners where using them to build an escape tunnel.

I wonder how far they tunneled with my Goddamn Fastener B and two #7 shelf tabs.

Linoleum_Blownapart: uttertosh: Linoleum_Blownapart: Just because they make $8/hour* and get less than a week of vacation per year doesn't make them slaves!

* Or less if they're temp workers

or you could post something relevant to tfa.

Communist Germany political prisoners in forced labour camps, I'm quite sure, did not get any holidays or receive any payment.

/Though this was a 'snowflake' headline about Swedes making their own children assemble ikea furniture, with no candy reward.

Yes, I can see that Ikea's current labor issues have no relevance to their labor issues from the 80's. It's not like the same people are making these decisions.

jshine: Linoleum_Blownapart: Just because they make $8/hour* and get less than a week of vacation per year doesn't make them slaves!

Actually, I think its the "not being allowed to quit" that defines slavery. There are plenty of people who volunteer for charities and are paid $0/hour (and, of course, receive no paid vacation from the job), but would certainly not be classified as slaves -- simply because they have the option to quit, should they so-choose.

Go read up about Stazi war 'criminals' and how super-duper they were treated, then come back and tell me that tfa bears any relevance to people getting money and paid leave for that work.

Next you'll be likening low-wage crop pickers in Sweden, to African 'cotton harvesters' in America before Emancipation.

EABOD, DIAF if you make this comparison, btw. For real, for real.

jshine: I said that "slavery" is defined by ones inability to quit the job. In other words, its involuntary work (rather than unpaid work). I stand by that -- do you disagree?

"Just because they make $8/hour* and get less than a week of vacation per year doesn't make them slaves!" is what you said.

I'm in a paid job that I can't quit, as there's nothing else available to me, and get paid ~25% less than others I know in the same job overseas. Quitting would have me bankrupt and on the street within a month. Am I, therefore, a 'slave', like the political prisoners of the stasi in TFA, in your mind? Of course not, that comparison would be very silly, and borderline disrespectful of those prisoners. -- do you disagree?

Good luck with your ham and chalk sandwich. Do try the American orange pie for dessert!