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2012-11-16 11:27:34 AM
6 votes:
As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle. Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.

For a bunch of God fearing, church going folk, they sure do not care much about social welfare, the poor, and the disenfranchised. I am starting to get sick of them focusing on shiat like women's access to abortion when they should be focusing on why she is needing one in the first place and fixing that - poor, young, uneducated, forced into prostitution, whatever...

Maybe it is because I am almost 30 and now with a little bit of life behind me, and have escaped my hometown - Orange County, SoCal...I am starting to see things a little differently...but the amount of crazy in the Republican Party is horrifying. While it is my own anecdotal observation...and don't get me wrong, the Dems have their mixed bag of far left cray cray too, I see the Dems as a lot more mainstream than anything else...it appears to me that they have done a pretty good job distancing themselves from the mega crazy and the Republicans need to do the same with the extreme religious right.
2012-11-16 01:46:02 PM
3 votes:

lennavan: So that was a pretty decent post but I have an honest question. Why exactly do you consider yourself conservative? Specifically - if the GOP included the reforms you want, how exactly would it differ from the Democrats?


Not the OP, but there is a difference between being a conservative and being a republican. The GoP has shifted away from a belief in small non-intrusive government and is now solidly in authoritarianism-land.

Personally the GoP drove me away. I'm usually in favor of leaving things up to the states, that government should be only as large as necessary, and that government has no right to attempt to make choices for people when those choices don't affect others without their prior consent (i.e., victim-less crimes are stupid). However, look at the GoP today... they're trying to marginalize and criminalize wide swaths of behavior that harms no one. They're trying to enforce their morality on others. They attempt to demonize anyone who dares disagree with them (see Sandra Fluke).

They're working their damndest to expand government as fast as they can in order to enforce their beliefs upon others. Authoritarianism at its finest.

For me personally the choice seems to be between a 1970s republican running as a democrat and a party full of right-wing authoritarians who want a theocracy. Perosnally I kinda feel bad for true liberals, they don't really have a viable party to belong to.
2012-11-16 01:40:44 PM
3 votes:
Welfare checks.

wow.

You guys realize about 4.75 million people in the country receive welfare checks right?

And these are the amounts you can receive...
In georgia a single parent with a family of 3 receives 280 dollars. (this is the max if she is not working as well....280 dollars)

IN vermont its 640 a month.

How about food stamps?

Big liberal Illinois. 1.891 million people on food stamps in Illinois. Liberals... (12 million people live in Illinois)
Then big conservative Georgia... 1.91 million people on food stamps...Population 10 million...

How about Texas vs California?
California has 4.1 million people on food stamps with a population of 37.6 million people.
Texas has 3.9 million people on food stamps with a population of 25 million people...

I keep seeing a common theme here.

whats the deal folks? states that go for romney have a higher percentage of their population on welfare.
States that go for obama have a lower percentage on welfare....

weird.
2012-11-16 02:06:42 PM
2 votes:

Endive Wombat: Drugs, legalize, regulate and tax

I agree.

Endive Wombat: Make DUI laws far more strict

I agree.

Endive Wombat: Taxes - We live in a wonderful nation. It costs a lot to protect and maintain it. Those who have made their millions have done so off the backs...

I agree.

Endive Wombat: There are still going to be janitors, maids, street sweepers, burger flippers, etc. So the idea of a fair living wage needs to be discussed without the right yelling "socialism or redistribution of wealth"

I agree.

Endive Wombat: Healthcare - We need to protect Doctors from frivolous lawsuits and reduce healthcare costs.

I agree.

Endive Wombat: Teh Gheys -

I agree with your conclusion but not reason. Government is constitutionally required to treat all citizens equal, including gays. There is no argument.

Endive Wombat: If I want to build a 60ft tall pink dildo on my property, I should be allowed.

I agree.

Endive Wombat: You pickin' up what I'm throwin' down?


Yeah but it still didn't answer my question. I don't understand how you can read this list of your positions and identify yourself as conservative. I get why you don't vote (R). I don't get why you consider yourself conservative. I really don't think you are. Not that the label really matters, I'm just genuinely interested why you and I hold similar beliefs and yet identify with very different ends of the political spectrum.
2012-11-16 01:53:23 PM
2 votes:

graggor: Welfare checks.

wow.

You guys realize about 4.75 million people in the country receive welfare checks right?

And these are the amounts you can receive...
In georgia a single parent with a family of 3 receives 280 dollars. (this is the max if she is not working as well....280 dollars)

IN vermont its 640 a month.

How about food stamps?

Big liberal Illinois. 1.891 million people on food stamps in Illinois. Liberals... (12 million people live in Illinois)
Then big conservative Georgia... 1.91 million people on food stamps...Population 10 million...

How about Texas vs California?
California has 4.1 million people on food stamps with a population of 37.6 million people.
Texas has 3.9 million people on food stamps with a population of 25 million people...

I keep seeing a common theme here.

whats the deal folks? states that go for romney have a higher percentage of their population on welfare.
States that go for obama have a lower percentage on welfare....

weird.


Government assistance is fine when it's going to hard-working "real Americans", but if it's going to someone they've never seen before, it must be to a bunch of lazy welfare queens who happen to be largely minorities.

If the Republicans are willing to admit that the existence of a broad social safety net isn't the problem, then they'll take a major step towards rejoining the real world. But the problem is 40 years of people like Atwater and Rove using abstraction to convert racism and distrust into economic wedge issues. Republican economic philosophy isn't necessarily racist in 2012, but it's been built on the back of divisive politics for so long that some of us can't tell the difference anymore.
2012-11-16 01:22:17 PM
2 votes:

Endive Wombat: As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle. Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.

For a bunch of God fearing, church going folk, they sure do not care much about social welfare, the poor, and the disenfranchised. I am starting to get sick of them focusing on shiat like women's access to abortion when they should be focusing on why she is needing one in the first place and fixing that - poor, young, uneducated, forced into prostitution, whatever...

Maybe it is because I am almost 30 and now with a little bit of life behind me, and have escaped my hometown - Orange County, SoCal...I am starting to see things a little differently...but the amount of crazy in the Republican Party is horrifying. While it is my own anecdotal observation...and don't get me wrong, the Dems have their mixed bag of far left cray cray too, I see the Dems as a lot more mainstream than anything else...it appears to me that they have done a pretty good job distancing themselves from the mega crazy and the Republicans need to do the same with the extreme religious right.


So that was a pretty decent post but I have an honest question. Why exactly do you consider yourself conservative? Specifically - if the GOP included the reforms you want, how exactly would it differ from the Democrats?
2012-11-16 04:16:14 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle. Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.


I am a conservative registered Republican (for the moment, more down-comment). I voted for Obama and did not vote for a single Republican. Where I could, I voted for Libertarians. I found Romney morally repugnant in ways I didn't think possible, since I don't hold politicians in high regard to start with. Obama, in spite of being called a Marxist-Communist-Socialist, seemed to be a moderate choice, so I went with him as a compromise. When the only other choice is the not-crazy half-way decent guy standing over there without a spittle covered face, you make the only choice you can make.

The 47% comment offended me in so many ways. To get to 47%, Romney has to include soldiers who are in war zones (combat pay is tax exempt); people who have literally worked for half a century who are now on Social Security; and the working poor. The GOP had worked to expand the EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) many times. The EITC is why many poor people don't pay federal taxes, and has always been treated as a giant step up from welfare. We'd rather people work than be on welfare, and if they make very little, we won't tax them to below welfare levels.

One of the largest expansions of the EITC was under Reagan. The GOP has traditionally been for the poor working as a way to help themselves, rather than getting welfare. Now, with the 47% comment and the "Gifts" comment, Romney has thrown decades of GOP policy down to toilet. He's now saying, "No welfare, no EITC, screw you, poor people. Go starve in the streets. You're not getting a step up, you're not getting shiat.

For a bunch of God fearing, church going folk, they sure do not care much about social welfare, the poor, and the disenfranchised. I am starting to get sick of them focusing on shiat like women's access to abortion when they should be focusing on why she is needing one in the first place and fixing that - poor, young, uneducated, forced into prostitution, whatever...

When Romney was caught back in June talking to the business owners, telling them that it was legal to tell their employees who to vote for, I got a whiff of "Eu de Robber Barron", which I found most distasteful. Romney is not my better. Romney isn't worthy to spit shine my shoes or the shoes of any American who goes to work every day. It was at that point that I decided that the GOP n' me were no longer a good fit.

Maybe it is because I am almost 30 and now with a little bit of life behind me, and have escaped my hometown - Orange County, SoCal...I am starting to see things a little differently...but the amount of crazy in the Republican Party is horrifying. While it is my own anecdotal observation...and don't get me wrong, the Dems have their mixed bag of far left cray cray too, I see the Dems as a lot more mainstream than anything else...it appears to me that they have done a pretty good job distancing themselves from the mega crazy and the Republicans need to do the same with the extreme religious right.

For me, it's the fact that the GOP was 100% confident that they had this election sewn up, and it finally didn't matter what they said or who they said it to. It didn't matter if they made enemies. What were our alternatives? Were we really gonna vote for the blah guy over Romney? Of course not. Now do what you're told and vote for Mitt.

One of my proudest moments as a conservative was watching the election results. Knowing that a lot of other conservatives did what I did, and voted for Obama. Or they did nothing and stayed home, knowing that Obama would get in by default. I don't think that anyone in the Republican Party has any idea yet what they wrought with this election. I don't think they know or could even guess how many conservatives they've turned away, many for good.

I have the paperwork here to re-register with another party. I wanted to wait until after the election so that there would be no confusion and my vote against Romney would count. It'll either be independent or Libertarian. Not sure, but I am no longer a Republican. They left me. I didn't leave them. Sounds like they've left you, too.
2012-11-16 03:36:17 PM
1 votes:

spcMike: Endive Wombat: As a conservative

A real conservative would've bought an American car.


A real conservative would've bought a 60 foot pink dildo.

/ interesting that spellcheck recognizes the word "dildo"
// but not the word "spellcheck"
2012-11-16 03:27:17 PM
1 votes:

TheOther: What about power consumption? Is it Green? Does it run on Ancient Alien D-cells or is it hooked up to the grid? When you turn it on, will the vibrations cause nearby buildings to collapse? earthquakes? Whale beachings?


Point of order: "Dildos" are not necessarily "Vibrators", and likewise, not all "Vibrators" are "Dildos".

QueenMamaBee: So where do I donate to the 60 Ft Tall Pink Dildo fund? Because that would be worth a road trip just to have an awesome story for the great grandkids one day.


See? What did I just tell you? Freaking Tourists...
2012-11-16 03:21:38 PM
1 votes:

FunkyBlue: I know where they're built, but when you say Honda, it's a Japanese vehicle regardless of where it's made.


If you want to get specific about it, there are very few "American" cars, regardless of the final assembly. The supply chain is international and suppliers often serve many car companies, car companies are multi-national, and many car companies own pieces of each other. If your goal is to buy cars that maximize American jobs, fine. If your goal is to "keep profits in this country", that's quaint, God bless ya, but I'd rather have the jobs.

The all-American muscle car Dodge Challenger: Final assembly in Ontario, Canada.
Ford Fusion? Mexico.

Anyway ... back to Politics. DARN YOU OBAMA for some reason.
2012-11-16 03:06:54 PM
1 votes:
LOL, 70's era cars were made the old fashioned way. Why a lot of them are still running.

I've heard Ford's have been made decently, but I really can't afford to buy new, if you know what I mean.
2012-11-16 03:00:29 PM
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: FunkyBlue: spcMike: Endive Wombat: As a conservative

A real conservative would've bought an American car.

I've bought American cars. So far, I'm now driving a 20 year-old Accord with 260,000 miles and it runs better than most of the American cars I've bought when they were only 6 years old. And the Honda still gets 27MPG highway.

I can safely say I'm buying used Honda's from now on.

Honda Accords are built in Marysville, Ohio. Check the VIN (if the first digit "1" = USA, "J" = Japan)


I know where they're built, but when you say Honda, it's a Japanese vehicle regardless of where it's made. I live about 2 hours from Marysville. You ask your crazy uncle with his 1952 Ford pickup truck about buying a Honda and he'll spout about not buying some Japanese trash and why didn't you buy an American car. Even over here, the Japanese attention to detail and the quality put in the manufacturing process just costs more but it's a better quality product.

GM, especially Pontiac, used as much cheap bodywork (plastic panels, plastic interiors, cheap engine parts) to bring the price on vehicles down to compete, but that lacking in component quality means they break down three times faster and have more mechanical problems. After owning two Pontiacs and a Chevy SUV, my little Honda go-cart is still my favorite to drive and has the least mechanical issues of all three despite being 12 years older then the oldest GM I had.
2012-11-16 03:00:22 PM
1 votes:

FunkyBlue: spcMike: Endive Wombat: As a conservative

A real conservative would've bought an American car.

I've bought American cars. So far, I'm now driving a 20 year-old Accord with 260,000 miles and it runs better than most of the American cars I've bought when they were only 6 years old. And the Honda still gets 27MPG highway.

I can safely say I'm buying used Honda's from now on.


A lot of the people in my state work for Honda.
2012-11-16 02:58:45 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: Bleyo: We just haven't updated what we label ourselves.

People always fight to label themselves conservative. Part of it is making themselves seem sensible and part of it is the dirty connotation that liberal or progressive has become within american society.


I'm a liberal.

I'm taking it back!
2012-11-16 02:48:41 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat:
Maybe it is because I am almost 30 and now with a little bit of life behind me


I just now realized I've been voting about as long as Endive has been on this earth.



*picks up cane, hobbles away to get drunk*
2012-11-16 02:48:13 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: Drugs, legalize, regulate and tax. "But lots of junkines will start filling up the workforce" Simple - give tax cuts to employers that drug test. Incentiveize the job makers.


The only issue here is that drug tests would show that you had the drugs, which would be legal, at some point in the past. I think what you mean is drug testing to make sure they aren't on the drugs while working...which would work about as well as ensuring people aren't drunk while working. Very difficult to enforce unless you want to breathalize your employees on a daily basis, or in this case, have mandatory pee testing constantly.

Unless you're saying someone who does something totally legal on their own time shouldn't be allowed to work?
2012-11-16 02:44:09 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle. Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.


Good for you, I'm the same, only two elections back. That means you don't belong to the hive mind that both sides of the aisle just assumes of you.
2012-11-16 02:40:02 PM
1 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier: I'm a lifelong unaffiliated voter. You don't have to register for either party.


Depending on your State, you may not be able to vote in primaries if you do. Here in NC, it's up to each party whether they want to let unaffiliateds vote in their primaries, and currently all three recognized ones (D, R, L) do. When such a voter comes in on primary elections we offer them a choice of one of the party ballots, or a nonpartisan ballot that just lists the judicial primaries (which are also on all the party ballots).

BarrRepublican: I'm also a registered republican who voted democrat, but that was more of an anti-suppression measure due to recent laws put into place in this area.


Don't know if that would help. Even if nobody ever registered a party affiliation, gerrymandering, suppression, etc. can still proceed using demographic variables (like blackitude). In fact urbanity is probably enough to go on.
2012-11-16 02:30:01 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Endive Wombat: Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.

there's a handful of republican farkers who are saying the same, I am curious if that was a "thing" bigger than just the few people I see on here.


I am a registered Republican. I have realised for more than ten years that the party is too entrenched with religious conservatives, who oppose civil liberties (except for firearm ownership rights, which is the only social issue in which I am in full agreement with the party and full disagreement with the national leadership of the Democratic party), but I have been unmotivated to alter my registration.

I am, today, mailing in a registration form to be re-registered as an Independent (note: not as a "Fark Independent").
2012-11-16 02:23:04 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: Yeah but it still didn't answer my question. I don't understand how you can read this list of your positions and identify yourself as conservative. I get why you don't vote (R). I don't get why you consider yourself conservative. I really don't think you are. Not that the label really matters, I'm just genuinely interested why you and I hold similar beliefs and yet identify with very different ends of the political spectrum.


Speaking for myself here, but I hold a lot of his views and consider myself conservative. My family thinks I'm a bleeding heart liberal because I don't want to outlaw food stamps or start a nuclear war with China.

I think the definition of "conservative" has changed as both parties moved right. We just haven't updated what we label ourselves.
2012-11-16 02:22:38 PM
1 votes:

More_Like_A_Stain: Endive Wombat: I see limited sized government more in a what I can and cannot do aspect rather than a monetary aspect. If I want to build a 60ft tall pink dildo on my property, I should be allowed.

You pickin' up what I'm throwin' down?


Big government again. Without out government intrusion, how will we know if your 60ft tall pink dildo is structurally sound? Are the materials used certified as safe for such an application? Were worker safety standards followed during construction? An entire new bureaucracy will have to be formed, as surely you can't be saying that the local county building department is prepared to take on such a burden.


So you think there will be an enormous number of people wanting big pink dildos in their yard if we were to allow it?

That's interesting.
2012-11-16 02:19:15 PM
1 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier:
I'm a lifelong unaffiliated voter. You don't have to register for either party. Just pick which candidates you feel are intelligent and will govern correctly.

For instance this year almost all of my federal and state voting went to Democrats, most of the local and county voting went towards Republicans and Libertarians, and I abstained from voting on people who ran unopposed when I didn't agree with their policies (both R, D & I).


I know...family pressure way back when I voted for the first time (1980) made me pick one side or the other, and I've just never bothered to change it in any way. In my locality, we didn't seem to have any (I) candidates. There was one, but I'd never heard of them so couldn't really vote for them. They were running against an (R), so like you, I just abstained from selecting anyone there.
2012-11-16 02:16:32 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: I see limited sized government more in a what I can and cannot do aspect rather than a monetary aspect. If I want to build a 60ft tall pink dildo on my property, I should be allowed.

You pickin' up what I'm throwin' down?



Big government again. Without out government intrusion, how will we know if your 60ft tall pink dildo is structurally sound? Are the materials used certified as safe for such an application? Were worker safety standards followed during construction? An entire new bureaucracy will have to be formed, as surely you can't be saying that the local county building department is prepared to take on such a burden.
2012-11-16 02:12:19 PM
1 votes:
So I've heard this a few times now and my question is

HOW DO I GET MY STUDENT LOANS FORGIVEN!

Seriously, when was this magical plan to release people from their student loan debt passed? I want to get in on some of that sweet sweet loan forgiveness as my wife and I (now in our mid 30's) will most likely be just finishing paying off our grad school loans when my daughter is ready to go to college.
2012-11-16 02:10:30 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: lennavan: So that was a pretty decent post but I have an honest question. Why exactly do you consider yourself conservative? Specifically - if the GOP included the reforms you want, how exactly would it differ from the Democrats?

Let me explain myself this way:

I believe in a more practical and hands on approach to dealing with various socioeconomic and societial woes.

Drugs, legalize, regulate and tax. "But lots of junkines will start filling up the workforce" Simple - give tax cuts to employers that drug test. Incentiveize the job makers. Make DUI laws far more strict than they are now. First DUI - Jail for one year. Second - Crush your car, jail 5 years. Third - Lifetime sentence. That is what you call a law with deterrence.

As I mentioned abortion earlier - Personally, I think that once the nervous system of the developing fetus surpasses the complexity of a lobster, abortion is murder. I think abortion is horrible, but I understand its need. Those who seek an abortion should be able to without fear and intimidation, they should have access to the cleanest, most well maintained facilities. The fact that most people and politicians are focused on the act itself and not what lead to the need for the abortion shows me that people just do not care enough to deal with it. I think sex education needs to be expanded and be mandatory. We teach our kids about other aspects of basic health, why suddenly do we (conservative society) freak out when it is time to discuss our "naughty bits?" I think we need to set up better adoption facilities and make them more accessible for women who don't want to abort, but cannot raise a child.

Taxes - We live in a wonderful nation. It costs a lot to protect and maintain it. Those who have made their millions have done so off the backs of many who earn a lot less and who have set you up for success. The government built and staffed the school you went to, they built and maintain the roads that you drive on, they bui ...




I've not always seen eye to eye with your views, but this seems to put us much closer on the scatter grid than I thought. And well said, may I add.

*internet handshake*
2012-11-16 02:01:18 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: So that was a pretty decent post but I have an honest question. Why exactly do you consider yourself conservative? Specifically - if the GOP included the reforms you want, how exactly would it differ from the Democrats?


Let me explain myself this way:

I believe in a more practical and hands on approach to dealing with various socioeconomic and societial woes.

Drugs, legalize, regulate and tax. "But lots of junkines will start filling up the workforce" Simple - give tax cuts to employers that drug test. Incentiveize the job makers. Make DUI laws far more strict than they are now. First DUI - Jail for one year. Second - Crush your car, jail 5 years. Third - Lifetime sentence. That is what you call a law with deterrence.

As I mentioned abortion earlier - Personally, I think that once the nervous system of the developing fetus surpasses the complexity of a lobster, abortion is murder. I think abortion is horrible, but I understand its need. Those who seek an abortion should be able to without fear and intimidation, they should have access to the cleanest, most well maintained facilities. The fact that most people and politicians are focused on the act itself and not what lead to the need for the abortion shows me that people just do not care enough to deal with it. I think sex education needs to be expanded and be mandatory. We teach our kids about other aspects of basic health, why suddenly do we (conservative society) freak out when it is time to discuss our "naughty bits?" I think we need to set up better adoption facilities and make them more accessible for women who don't want to abort, but cannot raise a child.

Taxes - We live in a wonderful nation. It costs a lot to protect and maintain it. Those who have made their millions have done so off the backs of many who earn a lot less and who have set you up for success. The government built and staffed the school you went to, they built and maintain the roads that you drive on, they built and maintain the water, sewage, etc...

Homelessness, the poor and living wages - I wish more conservatives were willing to admit that not every single person is destined for college and a $100K salaried job. There are still going to be janitors, maids, street sweepers, burger flippers, etc. So the idea of a fair living wage needs to be discussed without the right yelling "socialism or redistribution of wealth"

Healthcare - We need to protect Doctors from frivolous lawsuits and reduce healthcare costs. We all know that Doctors perform a lot of useless and expensive tests so they can cover their ass...this only adds to the expense of an ER visit. If I break my foot, it should not cost $8,000 to get it fixed...that is insane. A healthy nation is a productive nation in my opinion.

Teh Gheys - Look conservatives, homosexuals have always existed and will always exist. Let's stop putting barriers up because "its icky" and show some compassion and dignity. At the end of the day, all the homosexual community wants is the same level of access to basic services and benefits as straight couples. Making them jump through all kinds of legal hoops in order to spend their lovers last dying moments together is evil and completely unacceptable. I also believe that you need to stop using the "ruining of the sanctity of marriage" argument if you've been divorced.

I see limited sized government more in a what I can and cannot do aspect rather than a monetary aspect. If I want to build a 60ft tall pink dildo on my property, I should be allowed.

You pickin' up what I'm throwin' down?
2012-11-16 01:59:24 PM
1 votes:

lennavan:
We really don't. This last election I saw a dude in the center and a dude on the far right. Everyone wants to expand or at least maintain the military. Why? What are we so afraid of?


Probably our citizens.
2012-11-16 01:57:54 PM
1 votes:

Headso: Endive Wombat: Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.

there's a handful of republican farkers who are saying the same, I am curious if that was a "thing" bigger than just the few people I see on here.


I haven't voted Republican since 2004, but I'm still registered as one.

I guess as the parties themselves have changed, I have too in some ways. I now think of myself as a right leaning Democrat, or a left leaning Republican....it's just too hard to say I am ONLY one or the other. I'm certainly not 'today's Republican', but not wholly Democrat in my beliefs. I've been diagnosed as a "small 'l' liberal" by another Farker, I guess that comes close.

I've also never been one to vote a straight party ticket either. This year was the only time I have, just because I could not give the GOP a single downvote. Which was a little painful because there are two young Republicans here locally that have done great jobs, and try to distance themselves as far as possible from the GOP derp, and I didn't vote for them this year when I did in 2008. I try to research the actual people and what they do/have done and go from there.

Sadly, my efforts don't make any real difference one way or another. Being Illinois, we're so blue as a state we should show up navy on the charts.

*shrug*
2012-11-16 01:56:14 PM
1 votes:

Khanmots: Personally the GoP drove me away. I'm usually in favor of leaving things up to the states, that government should be only as large as necessary, and that government has no right to attempt to make choices for people when those choices don't affect others without their prior consent


I agree with every thing in this post, yet I'm liberal. That's what I don't get. I agree with your principles, yet we're supposed to be polar opposites. Issues like marriage are obvious ones where government does not belong but take for instance Obamacare. Your principles are why I support it. If you go without insurance, end up at the hospital for an emergency and they have to treat you and you don't pay them, I end up covering for you. That's why government has a right to make that choice for you. I don't care what policy and whatnot you get I just don't want to cover you.

Khanmots: Perosnally I kinda feel bad for true liberals, they don't really have a viable party to belong to.


We really don't. This last election I saw a dude in the center and a dude on the far right. Everyone wants to expand or at least maintain the military. Why? What are we so afraid of?
2012-11-16 01:55:46 PM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle.


thats because the republicans are conservative anymore, they're extremists.

The primaries are nothing more than who can be the farthest right.
2012-11-16 01:52:15 PM
1 votes:

graggor: whats the deal folks? states that go for romney have a higher percentage of their population on welfare.
States that go for obama have a lower percentage on welfare....


they're also fatter and have higher rates of AIDs and diabetes, personal responsibility ftl!
2012-11-16 01:47:43 PM
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Wait a minute...I got no pinata in my gift bag. What the fark, Obama?! I'm a goddamned Ohio voter! Now I'll never vote for you for reelection again!!!

Although perhaps it was a little more targeted for Ohioans...we did get a lovely Ohio State EBT card holder and a pack of cheetos to go with the huge bag of weed.
2012-11-16 01:41:47 PM
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The segment right after that was brilliant- watch the whole episode.

Stewart had a clip of O'Reilly and Bernie Goldberg discussing the demographic changes and how the old America was now gone.

Just like it was in the 1800s when the Irish came to our shores to live a life of depravity and poverty, doing nothing but corrupting real Americans. And when we couldn't elect a Catholic, or when we had the Federal Army attack the Mormons in Utah.

Luckily, nobody ever had anything bad to say about Jews at all.
2012-11-16 01:36:00 PM
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lennavan: Endive Wombat: As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle. Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.

For a bunch of God fearing, church going folk, they sure do not care much about social welfare, the poor, and the disenfranchised. I am starting to get sick of them focusing on shiat like women's access to abortion when they should be focusing on why she is needing one in the first place and fixing that - poor, young, uneducated, forced into prostitution, whatever...

Maybe it is because I am almost 30 and now with a little bit of life behind me, and have escaped my hometown - Orange County, SoCal...I am starting to see things a little differently...but the amount of crazy in the Republican Party is horrifying. While it is my own anecdotal observation...and don't get me wrong, the Dems have their mixed bag of far left cray cray too, I see the Dems as a lot more mainstream than anything else...it appears to me that they have done a pretty good job distancing themselves from the mega crazy and the Republicans need to do the same with the extreme religious right.

So that was a pretty decent post but I have an honest question. Why exactly do you consider yourself conservative? Specifically - if the GOP included the reforms you want, how exactly would it differ from the Democrats?


I'm also pretty curious about this one--if the Republicans moderate on their backward social policies, how are they different from democrats?

I'm pretty sure the first thing one could say is "Obama is raising taxes", or something like it--but if a Republican was in the White House right now, I'm sure they'd be doing the same thing. No one wants to be in charge during this financial mess, because no matter whom it happens to be, they'll have to answer for tax increases.
2012-11-16 01:29:45 PM
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spcMike: Endive Wombat: As a conservative

A real conservative would've bought an American car.


I've bought American cars. So far, I'm now driving a 20 year-old Accord with 260,000 miles and it runs better than most of the American cars I've bought when they were only 6 years old. And the Honda still gets 27MPG highway.

I can safely say I'm buying used Honda's from now on.
2012-11-16 01:25:01 PM
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Not a bad Daily Show, but Colbert knocked it out of the park with the soap opera sketch.
2012-11-16 01:20:20 PM
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Endive Wombat: As a conservative, It is astounding to me how I am becoming more and more alienated by the Republican Party, especially during this past election cycle. Yeah, I am a registered Republican who voted for the Democrats this time around.

For a bunch of God fearing, church going folk, they sure do not care much about social welfare, the poor, and the disenfranchised. I am starting to get sick of them focusing on shiat like women's access to abortion when they should be focusing on why she is needing one in the first place and fixing that - poor, young, uneducated, forced into prostitution, whatever...

Maybe it is because I am almost 30 and now with a little bit of life behind me, and have escaped my hometown - Orange County, SoCal...I am starting to see things a little differently...but the amount of crazy in the Republican Party is horrifying. While it is my own anecdotal observation...and don't get me wrong, the Dems have their mixed bag of far left cray cray too, I see the Dems as a lot more mainstream than anything else...it appears to me that they have done a pretty good job distancing themselves from the mega crazy and the Republicans need to do the same with the extreme religious right.


No one would fault you for voting for them though, based on your socio-economic background, you most likely would be voting in your economic self-interest (I mean, until the wealth was completely at the top and the poor were forced to murder you and your family).
 
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