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(Gizmodo)   Suspected murderer John McAfee asks around the internet if anyone knows of a cell phone that can't be tracked. Expected to soon tweet his complaints about how expensive lye is   (gizmodo.com) divider line 118
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2012-11-16 02:14:50 PM  
I have a question: could anyone who replies with helpful information in that forum post be charged with accessory after the fact to murder?  I mean we know that's his normal forum handle and that he's under investigation for murder.
 
2012-11-16 02:16:08 PM  
Sheesh, this guy's an idiot. Even a whipper-snapper starlette half in the clutches of Scientology can figure out what to do.

Sticky Hands: an older satellite phone maybe?

Seems that any cell phone would give you away as soon as it connected to a tower.


Ditto for satellites.
 
2012-11-16 02:17:39 PM  

Stone Meadow: [threadjack]
Is there such a thing as an anonymous cell phone? IOW, one that isn't tied to a credit card or something else that identifies you? This is for a BiL who's semi homeless and doesn't have any credit, but who will carry a phone if my wife (his sister) buys it for him. He doesn't want a regular cheap cell phone tho because "they" will be tracking him and trying to sell him shiat, etc.. TIA
[/threadjack]


Doesn't a prepaid cell phone meet your needs?
 
2012-11-16 02:18:21 PM  

thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.




OMG, who would do that to a coffee maker?!?

AHHH!! Save the coffee!!!


/mmmm, coffee
 
2012-11-16 02:18:27 PM  

scopecreep: I have a question: could anyone who replies with helpful information in that forum post be charged with accessory after the fact to murder?  I mean we know that's his normal forum handle and that he's under investigation for murder.


Crime Facilitating Speech. Answer is: Maybe. Maybe not. It depends.

I suspect our discussion of possible methods here wouldn't be construed as directly helping him. Directly answering his request, however, might be.

/IANAL
//Also, I am not a lawyer.
 
2012-11-16 02:19:23 PM  

Eunuch Provocateur: thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.

And then water? How much?


This is a good method. You can scale your setup up or down depending on what you're making (black powder, candles, soap, body disposal, what have you)

Home Made Lye  

You can buy distilled water at your grocery store if waiting for rain doesn't work for your time line.
 
2012-11-16 02:19:53 PM  
 
2012-11-16 02:20:56 PM  

tukatz: thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.



OMG, who would do that to a coffee maker?!?

AHHH!! Save the coffee!!!


/mmmm, coffee


I make little K-Cups full of the ash so each time I catch a mouse in the garage I just brew a cup of "Mouse Grave" on the middle button and poof, my work is done.
 
2012-11-16 02:22:35 PM  

scopecreep: I have a question: could anyone who replies with helpful information in that forum post be charged with accessory after the fact to murder?  I mean we know that's his normal forum handle and that he's under investigation for murder.


No, absolutely not. I am an American lawyer who specializes in Belize criminal law, and I can categorically state that you can say absolutely anything at all on the internet, without any fear of repercussions or criminal penalties of any kind, no matter how egregiously immoral the advice you give might be.

And you know that what I'm saying must be true, because you can go to jail for lying or providing false information on the internet.
 
2012-11-16 02:23:29 PM  

dittybopper: /IANAL
//Also, I am not a lawyer.


Lyemonger? Don't worry we have one.
 
2012-11-16 02:24:31 PM  
Lye? Pfft.

blogs.amctv.com

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-16 02:24:52 PM  

PanzerPants: tukatz: thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.



OMG, who would do that to a coffee maker?!?

AHHH!! Save the coffee!!!


/mmmm, coffee

I make little K-Cups full of the ash so each time I catch a mouse in the garage I just brew a cup of "Mouse Grave" on the middle button and poof, my work is done.


Right, your coffee maker shouldn't be damaged at all.
 
2012-11-16 02:28:13 PM  

thisisarepeat: PanzerPants: tukatz: thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.



OMG, who would do that to a coffee maker?!?

AHHH!! Save the coffee!!!


/mmmm, coffee

I make little K-Cups full of the ash so each time I catch a mouse in the garage I just brew a cup of "Mouse Grave" on the middle button and poof, my work is done.

Right, your coffee maker shouldn't be damaged at all.


Actually, why would it be? The lye is formed in the K-cup and drips out into the carafe, which is glass. Nothing to really damage, unless you ran the same solution through more than once.
 
2012-11-16 02:30:08 PM  
Someone's got a Virus . . . .
 
2012-11-16 02:31:55 PM  
I'm sure that he'll leave his large, comfortable home in a free country with booze, plenty of excellent food and access to poontang that are hot for powerful guys to go and live in one of the poorest countries on earth with few rights.
 
2012-11-16 02:32:00 PM  
This is what happens when millionaires think it would be cool to run off and live in a libertarian paradise.
 
2012-11-16 02:35:42 PM  

hogans: I own a cell phone that can't be tracked.

It's analog, and therefore outdated technology in the US.

He never said it had to work properly.


Even those can be triangulated by which cell towers it is communicating with, its not as accurate as using the gps functions of the phone but it will roughly locate you.
 
2012-11-16 02:36:55 PM  
This is what happens when rich foreigners go to another country and the locals are friendly to them because of their wealth, they build enclaves, decide they are bad asses, and when the shiat gotes down, the locals eat them for lunch.

I have seen this happen in Colombia on many different occasions.
 
2012-11-16 02:37:02 PM  

halmot: What a man who wants an untraceable phone might look like:

[img838.imageshack.us image 400x200]


Is that a Romney/ Ryan tattoo on his left shoulder?

/kidding
//maybe
 
2012-11-16 02:37:48 PM  

stuffmonger: ☑ Bake Cake with hacksaw blade in it
☑ Request ten extra bedsheets
☑ Lower self down to freedom
☑ Kill spiders

 

Good planning Mr. Whack Job 
 
2012-11-16 02:40:29 PM  
All he needs to do is take about $100BZ ($50 US) to Trin's Meats in San Ignacio, and they will hook him up with an anonymous prepaid cell while the workers are in the back butchering goats.

Only problem for him- there are lots of police in San Ignacio.

Been there, done that.

/the butchering-goats-while-waiting-for-a-cellphone story is what happened when my wife and I were there for our third trip
//Cayo is awesome
 
2012-11-16 02:41:06 PM  
His arch-rival Norton Symantec probably has one, but he's still at large...
 
2012-11-16 02:46:52 PM  
It's like he was eaten by the politics tab and shat out after a cheap beer binge.
 
2012-11-16 02:49:23 PM  
I run McAfee security on my Linux system running Reiser FS.

Why are you looking at me funny? I've got a knife, you know.
 
2012-11-16 02:50:31 PM  
This guy is nuts. Completely derailed.

I think he's going down in a gun battle with law enforcement.
 
2012-11-16 02:54:12 PM  

nicoffeine: It's like he was eaten by the politics tab and shat out after a cheap beer binge.


Lulz.
 
Bf+
2012-11-16 02:54:43 PM  
The tweets are coming from inside the house!
 
2012-11-16 03:00:23 PM  

hammettman: This is what happens when millionaires think it would be cool to run off and live in a libertarian paradise.


i.lv3.hbo.com
 
2012-11-16 03:09:24 PM  

dittybopper: justanotherfarkinfarker: Probably ham to a cell link. Not that they couldn't find your location, just be a lot harder.

It wouldn't be ham to cell, it would be what we call "autopatch". Basically, the ham radio acts like a cellphone, except there is no triangulation from the repeater sites because they are all on different discrete frequencies, and your radio isn't transmitting location data (unless you are using APRS).

You can still be triangulated the old-fashioned way, via RDF, but that has to happen while you are actually transmitting.


Isn't that how they found Escobar, or some other drug lord? Driving around trying to triangulate him when he made calls?
 
2012-11-16 03:12:52 PM  
I hope they catch him before December 20th. I don't want to run into him when I'm cave tubing.
 
2012-11-16 03:20:03 PM  

Stone Meadow: [threadjack]
Is there such a thing as an anonymous cell phone? IOW, one that isn't tied to a credit card or something else that identifies you? This is for a BiL who's semi homeless and doesn't have any credit, but who will carry a phone if my wife (his sister) buys it for him. He doesn't want a regular cheap cell phone tho because "they" will be tracking him and trying to sell him shiat, etc.. TIA
[/threadjack]


Prepaid phone, cash only, damage the gps hardware inside the phone. You can only do this on some phones, but it will essentially kill the hard location abilities of the phone. You can still be located approximately, within a given tower's transmission range, but that really is a huge area in an urban environment.

The activation process on most prepay systems will allow you to bullshiat your name and address in whatever way pleases you.
 
2012-11-16 03:22:55 PM  

thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.


I don't believe you
.
.
.
:)
 
2012-11-16 03:28:40 PM  
The lesson here is: If you're mega rich and living in a foreign country, PAY YOUR DAMN BRIBES!
 
2012-11-16 03:36:43 PM  

Honest Bender: The lesson here is: If you're mega rich and living in a foreign country, PAY YOUR DAMN BRIBES!


And if you are visiting a foreign cathouse, pay the tab. Asking for a discount because you're Secret Service is just TACKY.
 
2012-11-16 03:45:14 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: It's called a 'burner.'

Let's put aside the crazy for a moment and think about the fact this guy apparently hasn't seen a movie or crime-related tv show for the last decade.


Better call Saul. He's got a while drawer of burners.
 
2012-11-16 03:45:43 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Perception is a powerful thing -

The police have openly stated that they don't consider him a suspect, but want to question him to get a better understanding of the tense situation involving the two neighbors. McAfee, on the other hand, has made so many enemies in the area that he can't trust anyone.

I'm guessing that it comes down to something like this:

McAfee had a spat with the neighbor. The neighbor tried to sicken some dogs, but ended up killing them instead. McAfee ranted/raged about it to the 'help' - who are known criminals, probably saying something along the lines of, "ILL KILL THE MOTHERFARKER, HE SHOULD BE DEAD FOR WHAT HE DID.", so the 'help' went ahead and killed him.

Now McAfee, because he didn't intentionally order the murder, is fearful that he'll be framed as intentionally setting things up because of his 'on the edge' lifestyle and grandiose actions of the past.



Excellent theory. Or maybe he fried himself on bath salts and shot the prick in the head. One or the other.
 
2012-11-16 03:55:56 PM  

kroonermanblack: thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.

Uh, ya, that's a reasonable way to obtain enough lye to dissolve a corpse. The damn thing would be rotted before you were halfway through.


See? It would work! Sheesh, there's no pleasing some people!
 
2012-11-16 03:56:05 PM  

AlHarris31: dittybopper: justanotherfarkinfarker: Probably ham to a cell link. Not that they couldn't find your location, just be a lot harder.

It wouldn't be ham to cell, it would be what we call "autopatch". Basically, the ham radio acts like a cellphone, except there is no triangulation from the repeater sites because they are all on different discrete frequencies, and your radio isn't transmitting location data (unless you are using APRS).

You can still be triangulated the old-fashioned way, via RDF, but that has to happen while you are actually transmitting.

Isn't that how they found Escobar, or some other drug lord? Driving around trying to triangulate him when he made calls?


Apparently.

Escobar didn't really have an appreciation that if you are a high profile target, if you radiate a signal, you can be found.

There's a lot of things he could have done to minimize the risk, given that back then they were probably stuck using fancy but still conventional DF gear: Keep calls short, move after using the phone, use a number of different phones, etc.

Today, those tactics wouldn't help you, because pretty much by default the cell system keeps records of where you are (or more properly, where your phone is) at all times when your phone is powered on. This is true in the US at least, I'm not sure about Belize. You have to rely on being anonymous if you use a phone, hence the popularity of "burners".

This makes more primitive communications means, like simple low power walkie-talkies, arguably more secure. Sure, they are more vulnerable to casual eavesdropping, but in trade you get the following advantages:

1. When you aren't transmitting, there is no possible way for anyone to locate you.
2. When you do transmit, unless they have the specialized radio direction finding gear within range of your signal, they can't locate you electronically.

With cellphones, you are being continuously tracked by the system. That's not sinister, btw: It makes the system more efficient in routing calls, and it also is vital for things like 911 where they need to know where you are when you call in an emergency. Thing is, though, that the cell companies keep those records of where that phone was at any particular time for a while, and the government can access it.

This is why burner phones aren't necessarily a good idea, too, at least from this standpoint: If they can build up a profile of you based on the last phone you had (the one they caught you with), they can search for a similar pattern among other phones in the same areas, and in all likelihood identify all the previous burners you've had, back to the limit of the data they can get. They can also see who you called and who called you, and find out who your associates are.

Can't do all that when the people are using simple radios, not without a serious SIGINT infrastructure.

This is the one thing that bugged me about the new V series: The visitors had all this technology, but the resistance was using their cellphones like they didn't have a care in the World. Wrong. Even with just modern technology, given an incident like the V shuttle being shot down, it would take maybe a day to identify all the conspirators. You ask the cell companies for the numbers of people who made calls near the site at roughly the time of the incident. Bingo, you've got one, now see who he or she has called in the last few months, and get the location data for those phones. Now you know where they all live.
 
2012-11-16 04:00:21 PM  

dittybopper: 1. When you aren't transmitting, there is no possible way for anyone to locate you.


Mostly true. An exception follows:

I was playing a game of "manhunt" last week. We use radios to coordinate actions between two teams on the same side, and I stupidly left my volume up while I was hiding. One of my teammates called someone else, but there was a person from the other side nearby, and he found me because he heard the radio.
 
2012-11-16 04:01:56 PM  

downtownkid: shot the prick in the head.


Ouch. Reminds me of that Bon Jovi song:

Johnny shot himself in the cock
Shoved a gun down his pants,
and the trigger got caught
It's tough, so tough.

/We got to hold on to what we got...
 
2012-11-16 04:05:24 PM  

The Larch: I was very disappointed to learn that "Quorum Sensing" was McCafee's name for some new-age stoner pseudo-science crap, and not some nifty new computer technology he was working on.

And before anyone jumps on me, I am aware that quorum sensing is a name for a real thing, that describes a real phenomenon, observed by real biologists, in real laboratories.

Anyhow, all this talk eminds me of an investment opportunity that I'd like to offer to farkers with a lot of money and not a lot of brains. I'd like to find people who want to invest in a spa where trained therapists holistically rebalance the natural symbiotic flora in a client's body, to restore physical, mental, and spiritual well being. Basically, you know, a massage parlor that sells criminally expensive yogurt enemas to idiots like Gwyneth Paltrow. All of the girls who work there would be young and good looking, and have tasteful tattoos and unusual hair color, and would be trained to use a lot of fancy pseudo-science new-agey crap words shamelessly stolen from the real biology research that has been in the popular press recently. I figure I could make a killing with this. Specifically, you know, I think I could make a lot of money by fleecing the investors out of their money. I'm sure as hell not going to actually open any massage parlors that spoons yogurt into Gwyneth Paltrow's butt. Or maybe I will... that actually kind of sounds like a good idea on some levels. Anyhow, if you're rich and stupid, send me money and find out what I do with it.


I suspect I know exactly what you would do with it. :)
 
2012-11-16 04:05:34 PM  

dittybopper: Escobar didn't really have an appreciation that if you are a high profile target, if you radiate a signal, you can be found.

There's a lot of things he could have done to minimize the risk, given that back then they were probably stuck using fancy but still conventional DF gear: Keep calls short, move after using the phone, use a number of different phones, etc.


if i remember correctly, escobar was extremely careful. he was taken down because the US loaned colombia some advanced equipment that civilians didn't even know existed. i can't remember the exact details, but he might also have slipped up on the call where the managed to track him. there was a lengthy history channel show on it.
 
2012-11-16 04:12:08 PM  

tlchwi02: dittybopper: Escobar didn't really have an appreciation that if you are a high profile target, if you radiate a signal, you can be found.

There's a lot of things he could have done to minimize the risk, given that back then they were probably stuck using fancy but still conventional DF gear: Keep calls short, move after using the phone, use a number of different phones, etc.

if i remember correctly, escobar was extremely careful. he was taken down because the US loaned colombia some advanced equipment that civilians didn't even know existed. i can't remember the exact details, but he might also have slipped up on the call where the managed to track him. there was a lengthy history channel show on it.


Yeah, it was probably just fancy, but conventional gear. Radio direction finding isn't really rocket science. Trust me, I knew some Duffys back in the day. Not as smart as us dittyboppers.
 
2012-11-16 04:15:08 PM  
Maybe Peter Norton would already know the answer to that question.
 
2012-11-16 04:15:51 PM  

dittybopper: Yeah, it was probably just fancy, but conventional gear. Radio direction finding isn't really rocket science. Trust me, I knew some Duffys back in the day. Not as smart as us dittyboppers.


also i think we loaned them the trained operatorsnecessary to run the equipment, which was probably nice. irrc, escobar also screwed up. he was hiding in a densely populated area and when he needed to make a call he would drive around the neighborhood and keep the call time low enough to avoid exact placement. one specific call he decided screw the car (maybe a family emergency?) and made a call without moving. that was enough for the US observers to pinpoint his location
 
2012-11-16 04:27:49 PM  
Buy phone with cash.

Make single call.

Throw away phone.

/not that you can't be traced, but you'll be changing phones so much nobody can keep up
 
2012-11-16 04:51:24 PM  

fluffy2097: Buy phone with cash.

Make single call.

Throw away phone.

/not that you can't be traced, but you'll be changing phones so much nobody can keep up


1) Buy iPhone
2) Fill Steve Jobs coffers with Gold
3) Throw away expensive iPhone
4) Goto 1
 
2012-11-16 04:56:06 PM  

charttn: thisisarepeat: Why pay for lye? Just take ashes from your charcoal grill or fire place (wood ash) and put it in your drip style coffee maker where the grounds go. Don't drink what comes out, cuz its lye.

I don't believe you
.
.
.
:)


Believe him. He's a habitual lyer.
 
2012-11-16 04:59:15 PM  
geekz.co.uk
 
2012-11-16 05:06:48 PM  
I live part of the year in Belize and have dealt with the police several times. I think Mcafee and many of y'all are overestimating their corruption and their competency. There is corruption, especially related to smuggling of drugs and women, but I see no reason for them to put a hit on McAfee. Most of the time it's hard to get the police to care about anything or do anything. He's embarrassed them with the fruitless drug and weapon raids, but it's still hard to believe they'd bother trying to murder a high profile guy.

As far as phones go, I've had probably eight phones in Belize. They are all prepaid and no one has ever even asked for my name. That's just the normal way of doing things. You can get smart phone with GPS and stuff, but I, like the vast majority of people, just walk into a store and get a cheap phone.

I'd be shocked if they are organized enough to track him. Does San Pedro even have more than one tower (I don't think so). They could probably tell if he were calling from Mexico, however.
 
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