Good grief, people, she didn't shoot the sicko -- just used the gun to scare him away. Who knows if he would have tried to take it further if she hadn't stood her ground. Good for her. What do some of you think she should have done? Actually sat there and watched him with no protest? Jeez.

I'm not sure about this one. The headline makes me think "Really? Pulling a gun because he showed you his cock?" but the article states he " approached aggressively" while masturbating.

A woman who sees a guy's dick and freaks out? Yeah, that's sick, but it's still probably an over-reaction. Just walk away while calling the cops.

A lone woman in a non-crowded area who has a guy masturbate while "aggressively approaching" her? Yeah, this is precisely the reason women carry guns in the first place.

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.

According to forensic psychological research, Class III Exhibitionists are likely to progress to more severe forms of sexual assault, including child molestation. But it's better to roll the dice on that while out with your kid instead of carrying a scary object, right?

He flashed his weapon, she flashed hers, nobody got shot, nobody got raped. Quit yer bellyaching.

mynameist: Just to clear things up. There is a huge gap between flashing and rape. Has there even been a case where someone was flashed and then raped moments later? There may be absolutely no connection at all.
There is not a huge gap between pulling a gun on someone and shooting them. Most defense classes will teach you never to pull one out unless you plan on firing it.

Yes.

I seem to recall reading a book about serial killers/rapists, in which many of them started off as flashers. It was their first way of exerting control, "forcing" the woman to look at them.


Also, you're misinterpreting the lesson those defense classes were teaching. It doesn't mean that every time you pull a weapon, you should be planning to fire it - it means that every time you pull a weapon, you should be prepared to fire it. A weapon can be used to disarm a situation without actually being fired. Heck, in BMT's entry controller training, we were taught to not even charge the weapon unless the situation had already started to escalate (the suspect has a weapon/proceeds after a stop command/is approaching too quickly). In any other situation, the mere act of pointing the weapon was the first step - without a bullet in the chamber.

In this case, the man presented a threatening situation. She pulled the weapon, intent to fire it if he escalated the situation by attacking her. The situation didn't escalate past that point, so she had no need to fire the weapon.

Ok, show me in the rapee handbook where it says rape can't commence after a show of masturbation.

clyph: The use of deadly force (or credible threat thereof) is only justifiable if there is an imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.

Doesn't seem to be the case here.

So a girl shouldn't feel threatened with grievous bodily harm if she is walking alone and stranger aggressively approaches her while masturbating? That seems to be a pretty text book example of reasonable fear for ones safety? Seems the police agree since she isn't being charged with brandishing or any other crime.

Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

yeah this lady shouldn't have felt threatened by some guy approaching her while jerking off because that's perfectly sane and logical so she shouldn't expect him to do anything else like rape her.

OnlyM3: mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

pretty much. Why can't this lady defend herself while this creep is far enough away not to overpower her, she doesn't know what the fark this guy is about to do.

wth?! What's with all the farkers in this thread who are a-ok with scumbags who expose themselves in public? "Oh, the poor innocent pervert who was just engaging in some harmless dick-flashing. It's beyond the pale that the horrible, terrible woman pointed her death-stick at him over something sooooo trivial! I do declare!"

Freaks, all of you.

SkunkWerks: elsuavio: Are you not sure what forensic psychology is

I'm sure what it's not. Pretty much all I needed to know there.

"Forensic" is from the Latin word for "forum" and refers to the legal system. Forensic psychology is any form of psychology that connects to the law, including the study of criminal behavior patterns.

You have irrevocably lost all intellectual credibility in this thread.

Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.

you have pee hands: She should have pepper sprayed his balls. I guarantee you he'd never forget that one, and it's totally legal.

So is using a pistol in self defense.

Ghengis_Socrates: Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.

No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.

Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.

Headso: what were her other options?

So, you admit that- if placed in the same situation- you couldn't think of any others.

Thanks for illustrating my point.

SkunkWerks: Headso: I can't believe all the farkers who think this lady should have just chilled while this guy jerked off for her and her kid.

I can't believe all the farkers who believe there were only two options, and this was one of them.

what were her other options?

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.

OR better yet, a close relative, neighbor, or caretaker... the most likely source of rape.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Jae0o0: Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.

"Watch me masturbate!" *BANG* Yeah, that's a proportional response. Pointing and laughing would have failed because????

because rape.

you know, that thing you're supposed to lie down and take (and bear children from, if capable) if it happens to you according to the same folks.

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: shouldn't have felt threatened

I guess that's a good point. I forgot to include the fact that people like you and OnlyM3, beyond being complete rockheads, are also incredible cowards who feel compelled to pull a gun every time you "feel threatened" at any level.

based on your posts I can only assume you go around jerking off while flashing women and this kinda reaction throws salt in your game.

demaL-demaL-yeH: CSB time:

When I was stationed in Germany, I often took the streetcar.
One fine morning, I noticed an obvious American soldier wearing a trench coat.
At one of the stops, he went to the front of the streetcar and flashed the rest of the passengers.
The Germans started laughing - little old ladies and men, teenagers who went to the trade school, business people in suits, and blue collar types in overalls. Even little kids. Every single one of them busted out laughing (quite a few of them were pointing*) as the flasher dashed off the streetcar and ran away.

It was a cultural lesson for me and for the flasher. (Oh, and it's common for men to pull over their cars and piss on the nearest wall/tree.)

Maybe we ought to adopt this attitude: Point (fingers, not firearms) and laugh.


*Circumcision is rare in Germany.

Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.

Your right to swing your dick ends at the tip of my nose?

OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

People like you are like cavemen with hammers...

strapp3r: is Lake Sacajawea near Lake Shotizcokov?

It's near Lake Wobegon

mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

LowbrowDeluxe: That seems like an appropriate and sane escalation.

Well she didn't shoot the guy. It's not like most flashers can be reasoned with. Saying "no thank you, I do not wish to observe your penis" probably won't do much good.

That seems like an appropriate and sane escalation.