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2012-11-16 09:08:59 AM
That seems like an appropriate and sane escalation.
 
2012-11-16 09:13:13 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: That seems like an appropriate and sane escalation.


Well she didn't shoot the guy. It's not like most flashers can be reasoned with. Saying "no thank you, I do not wish to observe your penis" probably won't do much good.
 
2012-11-16 09:13:54 AM
So is Wash. a stand your ground state?
 
2012-11-16 09:15:00 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Well she didn't shoot the guy. It's not like most flashers can be reasoned with. Saying "no thank you, I do not wish to observe your penis" probably won't do much good.


She shoulda just kicked him in the nuts. Less chance for an unintended permanent consequence and still gets the message across nicely.
 
2012-11-16 09:15:02 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-16 09:15:14 AM
Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
 
2012-11-16 09:15:32 AM
is Lake Sacajawea near Lake Shotizcokov?
 
2012-11-16 09:17:51 AM
She should have pulled a knife and cut it off, then kicked it down a storm drain.
 
2012-11-16 09:18:15 AM
mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?
 
2012-11-16 09:18:26 AM

strapp3r: is Lake Sacajawea near Lake Shotizcokov?


It's near Lake Wobegon
 
2012-11-16 09:19:09 AM
This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for flashing, this is for fun.

/yes?
 
2012-11-16 09:20:07 AM

strapp3r: Shotizcokov


i228.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-16 09:20:18 AM

OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?


I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

People like you are like cavemen with hammers...
 
2012-11-16 09:20:19 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: HMS_Blinkin: Well she didn't shoot the guy. It's not like most flashers can be reasoned with. Saying "no thank you, I do not wish to observe your penis" probably won't do much good.

She shoulda just kicked him in the nuts. Less chance for an unintended permanent consequence and still gets the message across nicely.


True. My point isn't to defend the gun use, but to defend the use of threats or force. Like I said, it's not a situation you talk your way out of. Hopefully she had the safety on or took other precautions, since you're right, this isn't worth killing over.
 
2012-11-16 09:20:29 AM
Alternate title: man pulls out his single shooter, woman reciprocates by pulling out her six shooter

/could've ended with at least one of the guy's bodily fluids everywhere
 
2012-11-16 09:20:38 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: That seems like an appropriate and sane escalation.


That.
 
2012-11-16 09:20:46 AM

OnlyM3: mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?


pretty much. Why can't this lady defend herself while this creep is far enough away not to overpower her, she doesn't know what the fark this guy is about to do.
 
2012-11-16 09:22:26 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"


yeah this lady shouldn't have felt threatened by some guy approaching her while jerking off because that's perfectly sane and logical so she shouldn't expect him to do anything else like rape her.
 
2012-11-16 09:24:31 AM
Good grief, people, she didn't shoot the sicko -- just used the gun to scare him away. Who knows if he would have tried to take it further if she hadn't stood her ground. Good for her. What do some of you think she should have done? Actually sat there and watched him with no protest? Jeez.
 
2012-11-16 09:25:04 AM
liitle...?
 
2012-11-16 09:25:24 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-16 09:26:14 AM

Headso: yeah this lady shouldn't have felt threatened by some guy approaching her while jerking off because that's perfectly sane and logical so she shouldn't expect him to do anything else like rape her.


Are we sure this would constitute legitimate rape?

Because I'm pretty sure, or so the doctors have told me, that in that sort of case, that old lady's body has a way to shut that whole thing down.
 
2012-11-16 09:26:22 AM

Headso: Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

yeah this lady shouldn't have felt threatened by some guy approaching her while jerking off because that's perfectly sane and logical so she shouldn't expect him to do anything else like rape her.


Well, she should be the moral superior and take the cock. I mean, it's not like it's worth killing someone over. I'm sure all the rape survivors agree.
 
2012-11-16 09:28:04 AM
Oh, drinking beer in a cabaret
Was I having fun
Until one night she saw my nuts
And now I'm on the run

Oh, lay that pistol down, babe
Lay that pistol down
Pistol packing mama
Lay that pistol down
 
2012-11-16 09:32:45 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: HMS_Blinkin: Well she didn't shoot the guy. It's not like most flashers can be reasoned with. Saying "no thank you, I do not wish to observe your penis" probably won't do much good.

She shoulda just kicked him in the nuts. Less chance for an unintended permanent consequence and still gets the message across nicely.


That assumes he wasn't packing. Which you probably shouldn't. She didn't fire. I don't think any serious lines were crossed here. Not by her, anyway.
 
2012-11-16 09:33:15 AM

Luffans: Good grief, people, she didn't shoot the sicko -- just used the gun to scare him away. Who knows if he would have tried to take it further if she hadn't stood her ground. Good for her. What do some of you think she should have done? Actually sat there and watched him with no protest? Jeez.


THIS!

You guys have no idea how often this happens and how scary it is as a woman. Flashing is an act of aggression & violence. It's not funny to women. I had this happen to me once when walking home from school as a kid. Scary as crap. These people are sick and you cannot predict whether flashing will progress to an attack.

So good for her!
 
2012-11-16 09:33:54 AM
As a friend of this woman since high school....I'm getting a kick outta these.....

If you read the story at the daily news (tdn.com) you may learn she had her child with her and her dog. The lake is a 1.5 mile park in the middle of town. Martin dock has a playground and whatnot.
 
2012-11-16 09:33:58 AM
Your right to swing your dick ends at the tip of my nose?
 
2012-11-16 09:35:26 AM

KawaiiNot: Luffans: Good grief, people, she didn't shoot the sicko -- just used the gun to scare him away. Who knows if he would have tried to take it further if she hadn't stood her ground. Good for her. What do some of you think she should have done? Actually sat there and watched him with no protest? Jeez.

THIS!

You guys have no idea how often this happens and how scary it is as a woman. Flashing is an act of aggression & violence. It's not funny to women. I had this happen to me once when walking home from school as a kid. Scary as crap. These people are sick and you cannot predict whether flashing will progress to an attack.

So good for her!


Schrödinger's Rapist?
 
2012-11-16 09:36:15 AM

HMS_Blinkin: Hopefully she had the safety on


Most handguns don't have manual safeties. Not sure why everybody seems to think they do.
 
2012-11-16 09:38:16 AM
We sent a reporter to the scene who asked the flasher for a comment:
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-16 09:38:39 AM

Headso: Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

yeah this lady shouldn't have felt threatened by some guy approaching her while jerking off because that's perfectly sane and logical so she shouldn't expect him to do anything else like rape her.


Indeed. And you just know the people decrying her show of force here would be the same ones arguing "Well why didn't she fight back harder?" if she'd actaully been assaulted.
 
2012-11-16 09:39:34 AM
I fully support this woman's right to pull a gun on that freak. Memo to the rest of the world: you go around showing people your dick. you might get shot.
 
2012-11-16 09:39:51 AM
If I was in that situation i'd have drawn my weapon too. Judge all you want. Dont bring an erect penis to a gun fight.
 
2012-11-16 09:41:18 AM
Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Freud. Come to the white courtesy phone.
 
2012-11-16 09:42:50 AM

DrZiffle: Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Freud. Come to the white courtesy phone.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-11-16 09:42:59 AM

Molavian: Headso: Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

yeah this lady shouldn't have felt threatened by some guy approaching her while jerking off because that's perfectly sane and logical so she shouldn't expect him to do anything else like rape her.

Well, she should be the moral superior and take the cock. I mean, it's not like it's worth killing someone over. I'm sure all the rape survivors agree.


I have learned, from Fark, that using force against an unprovoked aggressor that results in the death of the aggressor is murder.
 
2012-11-16 09:46:32 AM

Headso: shouldn't have felt threatened


I guess that's a good point. I forgot to include the fact that people like you and OnlyM3, beyond being complete rockheads, are also incredible cowards who feel compelled to pull a gun every time you "feel threatened" at any level.

Thanks for the correction.

phenn: That assumes he wasn't packing. Which you probably shouldn't. She didn't fire. I don't think any serious lines were crossed here. Not by her, anyway.


I don't either, I just find it amazing that some people are so dimwitted and cowardly that it seems like the only solution they can even conceive in a situation like this is pulling a gun.

People who's only available reaction to ever possible threat is "shoot it!" are, ironically, exactly the types of people who probably shouldn't be carrying guns in the first place.
 
2012-11-16 09:49:06 AM
CSB time:

When I was stationed in Germany, I often took the streetcar.
One fine morning, I noticed an obvious American soldier wearing a trench coat.
At one of the stops, he went to the front of the streetcar and flashed the rest of the passengers.
The Germans started laughing - little old ladies and men, teenagers who went to the trade school, business people in suits, and blue collar types in overalls. Even little kids. Every single one of them busted out laughing (quite a few of them were pointing*) as the flasher dashed off the streetcar and ran away.

It was a cultural lesson for me and for the flasher. (Oh, and it's common for men to pull over their cars and piss on the nearest wall/tree.)

Maybe we ought to adopt this attitude: Point (fingers, not firearms) and laugh.


*Circumcision is rare in Germany.
 
2012-11-16 09:51:24 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: CSB time:

When I was stationed in Germany, I often took the streetcar.
One fine morning, I noticed an obvious American soldier wearing a trench coat.
At one of the stops, he went to the front of the streetcar and flashed the rest of the passengers.
The Germans started laughing - little old ladies and men, teenagers who went to the trade school, business people in suits, and blue collar types in overalls. Even little kids. Every single one of them busted out laughing (quite a few of them were pointing*) as the flasher dashed off the streetcar and ran away.

It was a cultural lesson for me and for the flasher. (Oh, and it's common for men to pull over their cars and piss on the nearest wall/tree.)

Maybe we ought to adopt this attitude: Point (fingers, not firearms) and laugh.


*Circumcision is rare in Germany.


Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.
 
2012-11-16 09:51:30 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: shouldn't have felt threatened

I guess that's a good point. I forgot to include the fact that people like you and OnlyM3, beyond being complete rockheads, are also incredible cowards who feel compelled to pull a gun every time you "feel threatened" at any level.


based on your posts I can only assume you go around jerking off while flashing women and this kinda reaction throws salt in your game.
 
2012-11-16 09:53:25 AM

Jae0o0: Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.


Yes, there was only pointing, no laughing.
 
2012-11-16 09:54:53 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I don't either, I just find it amazing that some people are so dimwitted and cowardly that it seems like the only solution they can even conceive in a situation like this is pulling a gun.


Woman with child is faced with sexually agressive stranger pulls a gun. And your opinion is she is dimwitted and cowardly.

notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-11-16 09:54:55 AM

Jae0o0: Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.


"Watch me masturbate!" *BANG* Yeah, that's a proportional response. Pointing and laughing would have failed because????
 
2012-11-16 09:56:42 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Jae0o0: Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.

"Watch me masturbate!" *BANG* Yeah, that's a proportional response. Pointing and laughing would have failed because????


because rape.

you know, that thing you're supposed to lie down and take (and bear children from, if capable) if it happens to you according to the same folks.
 
2012-11-16 09:57:01 AM

Luffans: Good grief, people, she didn't shoot the sicko -- just used the gun to scare him away. Who knows if he would have tried to take it further if she hadn't stood her ground. Good for her. What do some of you think she should have done? Actually sat there and watched him with no protest? Jeez.


Usually you tell them to fark off and they leave. And I never had to pull a gun to make it happen. Usually a polite snicker will stop them in their tracks.

And I've never heard of anyone who got raped who was first approached by someone flashing them. Flashers are little penis-waggers, rapists are something completely different. See, they rely on the element on surprise....something they really can't maintain if they start out by masturbating in front of their victim.
 
2012-11-16 09:58:18 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

People like you are like cavemen with hammers...


Riiiight, like flashers can be reasoned with....
 
2012-11-16 09:58:27 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: shouldn't have felt threatened

I guess that's a good point. I forgot to include the fact that people like you and OnlyM3, beyond being complete rockheads, are also incredible cowards who feel compelled to pull a gun every time you "feel threatened" at any level.

Thanks for the correction.

phenn: That assumes he wasn't packing. Which you probably shouldn't. She didn't fire. I don't think any serious lines were crossed here. Not by her, anyway.

I don't either, I just find it amazing that some people are so dimwitted and cowardly that it seems like the only solution they can even conceive in a situation like this is pulling a gun.

People who's only available reaction to ever possible threat is "shoot it!" are, ironically, exactly the types of people who probably shouldn't be carrying guns in the first place.


You might want to button up. Your privilege is showing
 
2012-11-16 09:58:30 AM
I'm not sure about this one. The headline makes me think "Really? Pulling a gun because he showed you his cock?" but the article states he " approached aggressively" while masturbating.

A woman who sees a guy's dick and freaks out? Yeah, that's sick, but it's still probably an over-reaction. Just walk away while calling the cops.

A lone woman in a non-crowded area who has a guy masturbate while "aggressively approaching" her? Yeah, this is precisely the reason women carry guns in the first place.
 
2012-11-16 09:59:20 AM
Just to clear things up. There is a huge gap between flashing and rape. Has there even been a case where someone was flashed and then raped moments later? There may be absolutely no connection at all.
There is not a huge gap between pulling a gun on someone and shooting them. Most defense classes will teach you never to pull one out unless you plan on firing it.
 
2012-11-16 09:59:32 AM

mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.


seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.
 
2012-11-16 10:00:20 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Jae0o0: Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.

"Watch me masturbate!" *BANG* Yeah, that's a proportional response. Pointing and laughing would have failed because????


She didnt shoot him. So yes, proportional response. I doubt the woman found the situation funny.
 
2012-11-16 10:00:27 AM

SkunkWerks: demaL-demaL-yeH: Jae0o0: Except that is nothing like what happened to the woman in the news story.

"Watch me masturbate!" *BANG* Yeah, that's a proportional response. Pointing and laughing would have failed because????

because rape.

you know, that thing you're supposed to lie down and take (and bear children from, if capable) if it happens to you according to the same folks.


Seriously?

FTFA: "... a man approached her aggressively while masturbating and suggested she should watch him." is rape?

And I suppose a hug is intercourse.
 
2012-11-16 10:01:00 AM

stir22: and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?


I mean, he totally pulled a gun on her. Right?
 
2012-11-16 10:01:52 AM
The use of deadly force (or credible threat thereof) is only justifiable if there is an imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.

Doesn't seem to be the case here.
 
2012-11-16 10:02:49 AM

jbuist: Most handguns don't have manual safeties. Not sure why everybody seems to think they do.


The Ruger .380 does not have a safety. Loading the magazine and releasing the slide chambers a round. She did exactly that; She was ready to fire, but didn't. Not sure why the safety matters. If you don't think you may have to shoot, don't chamber a round. She felt there was a possibility that she may have to shoot, so she did. How is this a problem?
 
2012-11-16 10:03:10 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Seriously?

FTFA: "... a man approached her aggressively while masturbating and suggested she should watch him." is rape?



Potentially, yes, according to folks here. It was the natural, logical progression of flashing and jerking off in front of people.

Apparently these people are very leery of nude beaches as well.


...and art galleries. Where the majority of exposed penises likely belong to the baby Jesus.
 
2012-11-16 10:04:22 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: "Watch me masturbate!" *BANG* Yeah, that's a proportional response. Pointing and laughing would have failed because????


Because that would have enraged the pervert and he would have punted the dog, stomped the kid, crushed the womans face with his fist, torn her clothes off and raped her.

The dude is jacking off in a park. Do you expect 'shame' to make him turn and run?

/I'll stop feeding the trolls. sorry.
 
2012-11-16 10:04:54 AM

clyph: The use of deadly force (or credible threat thereof) is only justifiable if there is an imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.

Doesn't seem to be the case here.


Really? You were there?
 
2012-11-16 10:06:15 AM

clyph: The use of deadly force (or credible threat thereof) is only justifiable if there is an imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.

Doesn't seem to be the case here.


So a girl shouldn't feel threatened with grievous bodily harm if she is walking alone and stranger aggressively approaches her while masturbating? That seems to be a pretty text book example of reasonable fear for ones safety? Seems the police agree since she isn't being charged with brandishing or any other crime.
 
2012-11-16 10:06:15 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

People like you are like cavemen with hammers...


Well, it was a chick. It's not like any response is going to be reasonable.

So, your compliant is cavewomen with rocks. Defense guns are for threat to life only. Which this isn't, and why your complaint doesn't have anything to do with using a gun to defend against a threat to life.
 
2012-11-16 10:07:13 AM

Ghengis_Socrates: clyph: The use of deadly force (or credible threat thereof) is only justifiable if there is an imminent threat of death or grievous bodily harm.

Doesn't seem to be the case here.

Really? You were there?


apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.
 
2012-11-16 10:07:19 AM

clyph: Doesn't seem to be the case here.


But, I should say, I'll give granny the benefit of the doubt over the weiner waggler. If she perceived it as a threat, she's arguably justified.

As a CHP holder myself, I fully support the right of people to defend themselves. I have to counterbalance that against people who give responsible armed citizens a bad name.
 
2012-11-16 10:07:28 AM

stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.


This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.
 
2012-11-16 10:10:41 AM
Ok, show me in the rapee handbook where it says rape can't commence after a show of masturbation.
 
2012-11-16 10:11:50 AM

Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.


I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.
 
2012-11-16 10:12:52 AM

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.


OR better yet, a close relative, neighbor, or caretaker... the most likely source of rape.
 
2012-11-16 10:13:13 AM

Huntceet: Ok, show me in the rapee handbook where it says rape can't commence after a show of masturbation.


Show me an entry where it must follow it?
 
2012-11-16 10:15:55 AM

jbuist: Most handguns don't have manual safeties.


[citation required]

Not sure why everybody seems to think they do.

Probably because the omission of a manual safety is a pretty recent trend in (semi-auto) handgun design. 3 of the 4 handguns I own have manual safeties; the only one that doesn't is my revolver.
 
2012-11-16 10:18:17 AM

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.


I can't believe all the farkers who think this lady should have just chilled while this guy jerked off for her and her kid.
 
2012-11-16 10:18:18 AM

Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.


No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.
 
2012-11-16 10:18:25 AM

mynameist: . If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her wearing a burka.


AMIRITE!
 
2012-11-16 10:19:32 AM

clyph: jbuist: Most handguns don't have manual safeties.

[citation required]

Not sure why everybody seems to think they do.

Probably because the omission of a manual safety is a pretty recent trend in (semi-auto) handgun design. 3 of the 4 handguns I own have manual safeties; the only one that doesn't is my revolver.


Same here. My friend owns one semiauto handgun without a manual safety. But I cant shoot it because the amount of pressure it takes to squeeze the trigger would require me to use two fingers.
 
2012-11-16 10:19:43 AM

mynameist: Just to clear things up. There is a huge gap between flashing and rape. Has there even been a case where someone was flashed and then raped moments later? There may be absolutely no connection at all.
There is not a huge gap between pulling a gun on someone and shooting them. Most defense classes will teach you never to pull one out unless you plan on firing it.


Yes.

I seem to recall reading a book about serial killers/rapists, in which many of them started off as flashers. It was their first way of exerting control, "forcing" the woman to look at them.


Also, you're misinterpreting the lesson those defense classes were teaching. It doesn't mean that every time you pull a weapon, you should be planning to fire it - it means that every time you pull a weapon, you should be prepared to fire it. A weapon can be used to disarm a situation without actually being fired. Heck, in BMT's entry controller training, we were taught to not even charge the weapon unless the situation had already started to escalate (the suspect has a weapon/proceeds after a stop command/is approaching too quickly). In any other situation, the mere act of pointing the weapon was the first step - without a bullet in the chamber.

In this case, the man presented a threatening situation. She pulled the weapon, intent to fire it if he escalated the situation by attacking her. The situation didn't escalate past that point, so she had no need to fire the weapon.
 
2012-11-16 10:20:07 AM

Headso: I can't believe all the farkers who think this lady should have just chilled while this guy jerked off for her and her kid.


I can't believe all the farkers who believe there were only two options, and this was one of them.
 
2012-11-16 10:20:30 AM

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.


Not every person is the same. While one person might have flashed a gun, another might've come out with something like "Seems like you're proud of your shortcomings..." and kept walking.
 
2012-11-16 10:21:29 AM

SkunkWerks: Headso: I can't believe all the farkers who think this lady should have just chilled while this guy jerked off for her and her kid.

I can't believe all the farkers who believe there were only two options, and this was one of them.


Again, this.
 
2012-11-16 10:22:22 AM
patting someone on the back when it's not wanted is illegal assault. since physical contact is involved, it's far more threatening than "eek! a penis!". so is it ok to pull a gun on someone who pats me on the back? bumping into someone's arm while walking in a crowded area is also illegal assault - where are all the farkers calling for mass gun-waving in crowds? there are places where it's illegal to show a boob - will anyone defend the man who points a gun at a woman because he can see her boob? driving recklessly - should anyone who cuts someone off in traffic have the offended party threaten their life for it?. what about speeders who tailgate you because you're driving slow in the fast lane? do you let them pass while holding a gun at them when they do? some people are offended by marijuana use - why aren't more people waving guns at people who smoke a joint while walking down the street?

y'all be all wack.
 
2012-11-16 10:23:04 AM
She should have pepper sprayed his balls. I guarantee you he'd never forget that one, and it's totally legal.
 
2012-11-16 10:23:11 AM

SkunkWerks: Headso: I can't believe all the farkers who think this lady should have just chilled while this guy jerked off for her and her kid.

I can't believe all the farkers who believe there were only two options, and this was one of them.


what were her other options?
 
2012-11-16 10:23:17 AM

Rwa2play: SkunkWerks: Headso: I can't believe all the farkers who think this lady should have just chilled while this guy jerked off for her and her kid.

I can't believe all the farkers who believe there were only two options, and this was one of them.

Again, this.


For one thing, you'd think more farkers would be well-versed in the paradigm that the answer in a multiple choice question is always C.
 
2012-11-16 10:23:37 AM

Ghengis_Socrates: The Ruger .380 does not have a safety. Loading the magazine and releasing the slide chambers a round. She did exactly that; She was ready to fire, but didn't. Not sure why the safety matters. If you don't think you may have to shoot, don't chamber a round. She felt there was a possibility that she may have to shoot, so she did. How is this a problem?


I wasn't being critical of her choice, just pointing out most handguns don't have manual safeties.

But she should have chambered a round before she left the house. Just silly carrying around a half loaded gun.
 
2012-11-16 10:24:20 AM

Headso: what were her other options?


So, you admit that- if placed in the same situation- you couldn't think of any others.

Thanks for illustrating my point.
 
2012-11-16 10:25:53 AM

jbuist: But she should have chambered a round before she left the house. Just silly carrying around a half loaded gun.


Perhaps that is her vision of exercising restraint? I would have one in the chamber, but, OTH, my gun does have a safety.
 
2012-11-16 10:29:26 AM

SkunkWerks: Headso: what were her other options?

So, you admit that- if placed in the same situation- you couldn't think of any others.

Thanks for illustrating my point.


yeah I can't think of any others so what are your ideas for what she should have done to ensure her and her child's safety from a sex offender in the process of victimizing her?
 
2012-11-16 10:31:51 AM

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.


flasher= sexual deviant
flasher while masturbating approaching a woman and says "watch me"= is a very perverted sexual deviant. probably already a rapist. if not, one step away.
 
2012-11-16 10:33:24 AM

SkunkWerks: Headso: what were her other options?

So, you admit that- if placed in the same situation- you couldn't think of any others.

Thanks for illustrating my point.


I agree with SkunkWerks, she should have pepper sprayed the guy in the balls before pulling the gun on him.
 
2012-11-16 10:35:38 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: OnlyM3: You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

I know you don't have the capacity to understand, but some of us are actually capable of coming to solutions that don't start and end with "KILL IT!"

People like you are like cavemen with hammers...




RACIST
 
2012-11-16 10:36:06 AM

mynameist: Rwa2play: stir22: mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.

seriously? some guy comes at a woman while jerking off and says,"hey, watch me jack off", and you're NOT okay with her pulling a gun on him?

seriously?

wow. enjoy being a victim.

This. Some people in the world just need a swift kick in the ass to tell them to stop doing something stupid, either figuratively or literally.

I can't get over how all of you Farkers think flashers and rapists are the same thing or are even remotely connected. If she wanted to protect herself against rape, she would have been better off pointing that thing at any random guy walking close to her.


According to forensic psychological research, Class III Exhibitionists are likely to progress to more severe forms of sexual assault, including child molestation. But it's better to roll the dice on that while out with your kid instead of carrying a scary object, right?

He flashed his weapon, she flashed hers, nobody got shot, nobody got raped. Quit yer bellyaching.
 
2012-11-16 10:37:27 AM

mdeesnuts: notsureifserious.jpg


Didn't say she was, said some of the posters here are.

jafiwam: So, your compliant is cavewomen with rock


Nope. Try reading comprehension. It's awesome.

twiztedjustin: RACIST


I just really hate GEICO.
 
2012-11-16 10:38:30 AM
Would have been major hilarity if she had pepper sprayed him in the junk. That stuff reeks havoc on any soft & sensitive tissue, not just the eyes.
 
2012-11-16 10:41:17 AM

Ghengis_Socrates: Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.

No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.


Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.
 
2012-11-16 10:41:57 AM

Sultan Of Herf: Would have been major hilarity if she had pepper sprayed him in the junk. That stuff reeks havoc on any soft & sensitive tissue, not just the eyes.


Not sure about the laws in WA regarding pepper spray/mace...but it would've been fun to see that guy running like someone lit his crotch on fire.
 
2012-11-16 10:43:32 AM

Headso: yeah I can't think of any others


I know. It happens when you swap gunmetal for grey matter.

Headso: so what are your ideas


Here's a novel one. I had to use a time machine to come up with this one because it required months of rigorous thought and intense debates with my peers- who are all by the way, absolute experts in the field of ensuring-theirs-and their-child's-safety-from-a-sex-offender-in-the-process-of-victimizing -them-ology:

Walk the other way. Notify the authorities.

Yes, I know, this raises the question of whether or not- in the inter meaning time it would take for the police to be notified- that the police department could have lost the chance to apprehend this dangerous individual before another's virgin eyes are besmirched by the sight of an exposed penis, and in action no less.

But since Grandma failed to hold this most heinous meat-and-potatoes-dangler at bay herself with her fearsome armament while the authorities arrived, well, it's not like your favorite option accomplished this noble goal either.
 
2012-11-16 10:44:55 AM

Son of Thunder: According to forensic psychological research


So, the psychology of dead people?

Do tell.
 
2012-11-16 10:45:57 AM

you have pee hands: She should have pepper sprayed his balls. I guarantee you he'd never forget that one, and it's totally legal.


So is using a pistol in self defense.
 
2012-11-16 10:48:09 AM

aelat: Ghengis_Socrates: Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.

No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.

Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.


A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any fire armor any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance,whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense.

Just about every brandishing law has that clause. If there's a valid reason to feel threatened, you can draw your weapon, even if you don't fire it.
 
2012-11-16 10:50:04 AM

SkunkWerks: Walk the other way.


So you're going with this lady knew this guy's intent and she shouldn't have feared for her safety and just turn around and stroll away? Wow...
 
2012-11-16 10:50:44 AM

aelat: Ghengis_Socrates: Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.

No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.

Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.


This varies by state. There is no brandishing law in my state. The tools used to threaten aren't mentioned, there's one blanket threatening law and a couple minor ones.

Generally, the person who would receive the brandishing requirement is a thug of some type who won't call police. So it's not as much of a big deal as you are asserting.

Just don't get wrapped up in the monkey dance for other reasons and end up doing it.
 
2012-11-16 10:51:30 AM

Kit Fister: So is using a pistol in self defense.


Sure, but if you shoot someone there's probably still going to be court hearings while you clear yourself, and therapy, and therapy for your kid. What a drag. A naked guy with running around with capsaicin covered nuts until the cops show up and taze him? That's a story you can tell your grandkids.
 
2012-11-16 10:53:00 AM

Headso: So you're going with


...the notion that she was not cornered, yes. Admittedly the article doesn't say she wasn't- then again, it doesn't say she was either.

Come to think of it, there's a ton this article doesn't get into in detail. So honestly, splitting hairs is in and of itself, pretty hilarious.

This is of course why I am engaging in it.
 
2012-11-16 10:54:23 AM

Coolfusis: aelat: Ghengis_Socrates: Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.

No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.

Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any fire armor any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance,whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense.

Just about every brandishing law has that clause. If there's a valid reason to feel threatened, you can draw your weapon, even if you d ...


Which is why I said it was easy for her to justify her actions. Thanks for reinforcing my point? Or did you skip over when I use the phrase sole purpose of intimidation?
 
2012-11-16 10:59:52 AM
Holy hell this thread is full of pussies....
 
2012-11-16 11:00:26 AM

The Muthaship: Holy hell this thread is full of penises....


FIFTY
 
2012-11-16 11:02:01 AM
aelat:

After all the people attacking the woman's actions, I just assumed you were trying to say she was wrong because of brandishing laws. My bad.
 
2012-11-16 11:02:20 AM

Headso: SkunkWerks: Walk the other way.

So you're going with this lady knew this guy's intent and she shouldn't have feared for her safety and just turn around and stroll away? Wow...


As opposed to the wild and unsubstantiated assumptions you're making which are totally legit.
 
2012-11-16 11:03:14 AM

aelat: Which is why I said it was easy for her to justify her actions. Thanks for reinforcing my point? Or did you skip over when I use the phrase sole purpose of intimidation?


I think her actions were justified. Were you talking to me?
 
2012-11-16 11:05:01 AM
I was hoping she was gonna beat him up with a dildo.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:44 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: SkunkWerks: Walk the other way.

So you're going with this lady knew this guy's intent and she shouldn't have feared for her safety and just turn around and stroll away? Wow...

As opposed to the wild and unsubstantiated assumptions you're making which are totally legit.


the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:56 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: As opposed to the wild and unsubstantiated assumptions


As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective (to wit: the mere displaying of a penis openly is regarded by many in this very thread as "aggressive").

To be sure, there really isn't a lot of information here to judge the lady's reaction- one way or the other.

Not that any of this (or lack of this) will stop this thread from becoming a gun rights thread.

Enjoy!
 
2012-11-16 11:06:35 AM

Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.


Easy for you to say, you aren't out there flashing old ladies on a regular basis.
 
2012-11-16 11:07:25 AM

CygnusDarius: I was hoping she was gonna beat him up with a dildo.


This would have been a far more appropriate escalation of force.

It also happens to be a perfect description of one of my Favorite Guy Ritchie villains.
 
2012-11-16 11:15:15 AM

SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective


exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.
 
2012-11-16 11:16:27 AM

Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.


I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"

I can't even imagine how weak a person would have to be that the only reaction they know to some perceived threat is to automatically pull a firearm. What a horrible life that must be, in such constant fear and helplessness.
 
2012-11-16 11:16:38 AM

Huntceet: Ok, show me in the rapee handbook where it says rape can't commence after a show of masturbation.


Have you ever heard of a rape happening this way? Ever? Really, rack your brain and try to find an example. Because I can't.
 
2012-11-16 11:19:38 AM

Coolfusis: aelat:

After all the people attacking the woman's actions, I just assumed you were trying to say she was wrong because of brandishing laws. My bad.


No worries, it's a fine-line type topic (as far as I'm concerned).

I agree she's justified in her situation, but I get nervous with all the "Yeah, fark that guy!" talk. In this instance I think that attitude is appropriate, I just hope others are very careful if they're ever in a similar situation. I can just imagine the conversation with the police:

"So then you drew your weapon. Did he threaten you?"
"Yeah - he flashed me!"
"I didn't ask you if he flashed you - did he make you feel in fear of great bodily harm or death?"
"Well, he flashed me - logically, rape will follow, right"
"..."

The fate of the CHL holder could get real uncertain real quick.
 
2012-11-16 11:19:51 AM

Headso: exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.


Yes. It has the hilarious effect of getting folk like yourselves foaming at the mouths.

I know I'm enjoying it.
 
2012-11-16 11:20:33 AM

cryinoutloud: Have you ever heard of a rape happening this way?


Where a man aggressively approaches a woman unknown to him with his dick out?

Yeah, I think I heard about it happening once or twice.
 
2012-11-16 11:20:54 AM

mynameist: There is a huge gap between flashing and rape.

NO Has there even been a case where someone was flashed and then raped moments later? Most rapists get started with inappropriately exposing themselves.
 
2012-11-16 11:22:38 AM

SkunkWerks: CygnusDarius: I was hoping she was gonna beat him up with a dildo.

This would have been a far more appropriate escalation of force.

It also happens to be a perfect description of one of my Favorite Guy Ritchie villains.


And that was seen as a nice way to go. Now, that, is why you pay Hatchet Harry, when you owe.
 
2012-11-16 11:22:47 AM

SkunkWerks: Son of Thunder: According to forensic psychological research

So, the psychology of dead people?

Do tell.



Are you not sure what forensic psychology is, or are you confused by the word forensic?
 
2012-11-16 11:23:11 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"


I think I am seeing your problem here, you have not read the article or any of the posts in the thread. She actually didn't fire the gun, the guy ran off and I never advocating her shooting the guy. If he didn't run off after she pulled the gun and continued to aggressively approach her, yeah she should have shot him.

Her pulling the gun resulted in an end to a crime being committed against her, you and others in this thread have a problem with this.
 
2012-11-16 11:23:42 AM

SkunkWerks: Son of Thunder: According to forensic psychological research

So, the psychology of dead people?

Do tell.


Really?
 
2012-11-16 11:23:53 AM

mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.


that's patently stupid

in case this needs to be explained: if a person is nutty enough to run up and expose himself, he's not exactly got my vote of confidence of mental stability. protecting yourself is appropriate.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-11-16 11:24:25 AM

elsuavio: Are you not sure what forensic psychology is


I'm sure what it's not. Pretty much all I needed to know there.
 
2012-11-16 11:24:54 AM

Headso: Her pulling the gun resulted in an end to a crime being committed against her, you and others in this thread have a problem with this.


THIS! There was a crime here, perpetrated by a sociopath. The old lady had no idea how far this obviously disturbed criminal was, and feared for her safety.
 
2012-11-16 11:25:49 AM

R.A.Danny: THIS!


PENISES EVERYWHERE!
 
2012-11-16 11:26:51 AM
img832.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-16 11:28:22 AM
cdn.motinetwork.net

Couldn't resist.
 
2012-11-16 11:28:28 AM
There are other options,. you know. (Besides Fark Rye For Many Whores)

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-16 11:29:06 AM

SkunkWerks: Headso: exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.

Yes. It has the hilarious effect of getting folk like yourselves foaming at the mouths.

I know I'm enjoying it.


What irks me here is that the gun fetishists are so overwhelmed by their irrational passion for firearms that they have an absolute farking conniption if they get even the slightest whiff of an idea that a person may not completely agree with them over the use of a gun.

At no point in this thread have I said that what this woman did wasn't at least on some level understandable. The closest I've come is my light-hearted Weeners that it would have been better if she'd given him a quick nut shot.

Yet I have been repeatedly accused by the fetishists of attacking her.

These people are idiots. The same idiots that you read about in the news when somebody gets shot dead on the berm after a road rage incident. It never occurs to them that there are different appropriate reactions to an implied or explicit threat based on the level of that threat so they're the type of jackasses who, after being cut off by someone by accident on the way home, chase the person down and shoot them in the face.

"B-b-b-but they almost hit me, it was justified!", they'll say.

No, it was not. Not every single threat a person faces against their person justifies immediate escalation to potential homicide.

Yet, even suggesting that just throws these people into a hysteria. It's amazing they manage to survive long enough to post here with their entirely unreasonable views on human interaction. 

Headso: Her pulling the gun resulted in an end to a crime being committed against her, you and others in this thread have a problem with this.


What part of this is confusing you? I'm attacking YOU and OnlyM3 for the responses you have made in this thread. Unless you're the woman from the article, why is this tripping you up so badly? 

And if you're pulling a gun with no intention of shooting your target, you shouldn't be carrying a farking gun.
 
2012-11-16 11:31:24 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The closest I've come is my light-hearted Weeners


Fortunately, at the IT guy for my company, procuring a new keyboard is a momentary affair.
 
2012-11-16 11:32:47 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And if you're pulling a gun with no intention of shooting your target, you shouldn't be carrying a farking gun.


what is this like your 10th post in the thread blaming the victim for the way she chose to end a crime being perpetuated against her?
 
2012-11-16 11:34:25 AM

Headso: what is this like your 10th post in the thread blaming the victim for the way she chose to end a crime being perpetuated against her?


I agree. There aren't enough posts in this thread about light-hearted Weeners.
 
2012-11-16 11:36:46 AM

Headso: SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective

exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.


I'm always amazed at the level of privilege some farkers display. "Hey that lady and her six year old should have totally turned their back and walked away from the guy aggressively coming at them while masturbating. I'm sure nothing would have happened to her or her kid. She could read his mind and knew he didn't mean to cause her physical harm so there was no reason to defend her family with a gun"

Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims
 
2012-11-16 11:41:14 AM

Carth: Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims because watching the butthurt from the other side of the fence as they spew meaningless whargarbl is frankly hilarious


FIFTY
 
2012-11-16 11:43:58 AM
I'll just leave this completely unrelated image here.
 
2012-11-16 11:46:10 AM

Coolfusis: I'll just leave this completely unrelated image here.

  

Or I won't, because FARK hates me.


/trolls_want_you_to_believe.jpg
 
2012-11-16 11:46:29 AM

Carth: Headso: SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective

exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.

I'm always amazed at the level of privilege some farkers display. "Hey that lady and her six year old should have totally turned their back and walked away from the guy aggressively coming at them while masturbating. I'm sure nothing would have happened to her or her kid. She could read his mind and knew he didn't mean to cause her physical harm so there was no reason to defend her family with a gun"

Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims


You misunderstand. These people ARE flashers. They are trying to get others on their side. Never expect a man to act against his own self interests.
 
2012-11-16 11:48:12 AM
Excuse me while I whip this out
 
2012-11-16 11:50:49 AM

for good or for awesome: Carth: Headso: SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective

exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.

I'm always amazed at the level of privilege some farkers display. "Hey that lady and her six year old should have totally turned their back and walked away from the guy aggressively coming at them while masturbating. I'm sure nothing would have happened to her or her kid. She could read his mind and knew he didn't mean to cause her physical harm so there was no reason to defend her family with a gun"

Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims

You misunderstand. These people ARE flashers. They are trying to get others on their side. Never expect a man to act against his own self interests.


I never even considered that! You've opened my eyes...... hey why is everyone naked!
 
2012-11-16 11:51:05 AM

for good or for awesome: You misunderstand. These people ARE flashers. They are trying to get others on their side. Never expect a man to act against his own self interests.


Well, to be fair, the flasher lobby is a really powerful lobby in this country.

We were trying to get corporations declared as penises, but somehow corporate lobbies beat us out and now our country considers them people instead.



/shakefist
 
2012-11-16 11:53:05 AM
first reaction of a man out walking who sees a woman with an exposed boob - PULL A GUN! KILL IT IF IT DOESN'T RUN AWAY OR AT LEAST HIDE THE BOOB! DEATH!

would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence? assuming the situation happened in a place where bare boobs without babies attached to them were illegal, and assuming that the penis incident happened in a place where bare penises are illegal.
 
2012-11-16 11:54:54 AM

the801: would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence?


Yes.

Penises are scary, but breasts are absolutely terrifying.
 
2012-11-16 11:59:29 AM

the801: first reaction of a man out walking who sees a woman with an exposed boob - PULL A GUN! KILL IT IF IT DOESN'T RUN AWAY OR AT LEAST HIDE THE BOOB! DEATH!

would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence?


this is probably a shock to many farkers here but in general men are stronger than women and can overpower them.
 
2012-11-16 11:59:46 AM

OnlyM3: mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?


Point and laugh. Pulling a gun on a flasher is like punching a 2 year old for slapping you.
 
2012-11-16 12:01:42 PM

Headso: this is probably a shock to many farkers here but in general men are stronger than women and can overpower them.


Pssh, tackling a woman with exposed breasts just makes you a rapist, silly.
 
2012-11-16 12:03:42 PM
Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.
 
2012-11-16 12:04:31 PM

misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.


Preferably with guns. Yes.
 
2012-11-16 12:04:41 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.

I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"

I can't even imagine how weak a person would have to be that the only reaction they know to some perceived threat is to automatically pull a firearm. What a horrible life that must be, in such constant fear and helplessness.


"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent," said Isaac Asimov. Competent people think of it first.
 
2012-11-16 12:06:56 PM

SkunkWerks: elsuavio: Are you not sure what forensic psychology is

I'm sure what it's not. Pretty much all I needed to know there.


"Forensic" is from the Latin word for "forum" and refers to the legal system. Forensic psychology is any form of psychology that connects to the law, including the study of criminal behavior patterns.

You have irrevocably lost all intellectual credibility in this thread.
 
2012-11-16 12:07:42 PM

misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.


yeah by the looks of this thread a half dozen sex offenders have been outed.
 
2012-11-16 12:09:16 PM

Son of Thunder: "Forensic" is from the Latin word for "forum"


So, You're a Forum Psychologist.

Now you see that makes a lot of sense.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:00 PM

SkunkWerks: misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.

Preferably with guns. Yes.


I've been flashed three times.I think my best response was "Awww it like a penis but smaller."
(first two times I just laughed.)
 
2012-11-16 12:10:03 PM

Son of Thunder: You have irrevocably lost all intellectual credibility in this thread.


In this thread? I'll get over it, don't worry.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:56 PM
it's cause of marijuana legalization. knew this kinda stuff would happen
 
2012-11-16 12:23:33 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: shouldn't have felt threatened

I guess that's a good point. I forgot to include the fact that people like you and OnlyM3, beyond being complete rockheads, are also incredible cowards who feel compelled to pull a gun every time you "feel threatened" at any level.

Thanks for the correction.

phenn: That assumes he wasn't packing. Which you probably shouldn't. She didn't fire. I don't think any serious lines were crossed here. Not by her, anyway.

I don't either, I just find it amazing that some people are so dimwitted and cowardly that it seems like the only solution they can even conceive in a situation like this is pulling a gun.

People who's only available reaction to ever possible threat is "shoot it!" are, ironically, exactly the types of people who probably shouldn't be carrying guns in the first place.


What would you like to have seen happen?
 
2012-11-16 12:28:33 PM

aelat: Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.


THIS.

As I said before I'm predisposed to give the lady the benefit of the doubt, but it's still incumbent on all of us who carry legally to use discretion and good judgement.
 
2012-11-16 12:33:29 PM

misguided: SkunkWerks: misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.

Preferably with guns. Yes.

I've been flashed three times.I think my best response was "Awww it like a penis but smaller."
(first two times I just laughed.)


How did your six year old take it? The flasher in question was targeting moms out with young kids (assuming the cases are related).
 
2012-11-16 12:35:19 PM

Carth: How did your six year old take it?


Well, he was pretty excited because he got to see me point a gun at a naked unarmed man. I know that.
 
2012-11-16 12:38:16 PM

you have pee hands: Kit Fister: So is using a pistol in self defense.

Sure, but if you shoot someone there's probably still going to be court hearings while you clear yourself, and therapy, and therapy for your kid. What a drag. A naked guy with running around with capsaicin covered nuts until the cops show up and taze him? That's a story you can tell your grandkids.


I think that would traumatize the child more than mom running the guy off by showing him her firearm. It probably could have been accomplished without the child even noticing, if it was a little kid.
 
2012-11-16 01:35:07 PM

ThighsofGlory: What would you like to have seen happen?


I know that actually reading and understanding a thread is a tall order before opening your maw and making a fool of yourself, but when the context for the string of comments you're replying to starts off only 9 posts deep, you could at least put that effort into understanding what's going on.

I have not, to this point, said one word about what this woman did, except to suggest off-handedly that it would be more amusing had she given him a nut shot. The string of comments you are jumping into has nothing to do with her directly and everything to do with OnlyM3's (who, being a complete coward as usual, dropped his turd in the thread and ran away like a little biatch) immediate descent into derp-constructed strawmen by implying that anybody who suggests there even were alternatives must be pro-rape:

OnlyM3: mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?

 

It's really not that hard. Woman: no issue. Jackass constructing strawmen: issue.
 
2012-11-16 01:51:50 PM

Carth: misguided: SkunkWerks: misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.

Preferably with guns. Yes.

I've been flashed three times.I think my best response was "Awww it like a penis but smaller."
(first two times I just laughed.)

How did your six year old take it? The flasher in question was targeting moms out with young kids (assuming the cases are related).


I didn't have the kids with me,but I would have fed him his own balls if they were.If you don't want to fight the bear don't fark with the cubs.
 
2012-11-16 02:00:21 PM

Coolfusis: Coolfusis: I'll just leave this completely unrelated image here.  

Or I won't, because FARK hates me.


/trolls_want_you_to_believe.jpg


Proskills Cool. :P
 
2012-11-16 03:08:08 PM

canwolfshadow: Coolfusis: Coolfusis: I'll just leave this completely unrelated image here.  

Or I won't, because FARK hates me.


/trolls_want_you_to_believe.jpg

Proskills Cool. :P


I only have to be good with computers while I'm at work. The rest of the time, I can freely forget to hit the preview button.
 
2012-11-16 03:23:41 PM
That headline, and no Tony Montana pic in four pages? Fark i am dispapoint.
 
2012-11-16 03:51:20 PM
wth?! What's with all the farkers in this thread who are a-ok with scumbags who expose themselves in public? "Oh, the poor innocent pervert who was just engaging in some harmless dick-flashing. It's beyond the pale that the horrible, terrible woman pointed her death-stick at him over something sooooo trivial! I do declare!"

Freaks, all of you.
 
2012-11-16 04:05:39 PM

Max Awesome: wth?! What's with all the farkers in this thread who are a-ok with scumbags who expose themselves in public? "Oh, the poor innocent pervert who was just engaging in some harmless dick-flashing. It's beyond the pale that the horrible, terrible woman pointed her death-stick at him over something sooooo trivial! I do declare!"

Freaks, all of you.


Many a criminal has wished that the public was so pro-crime and somnambulant about this.
 
2012-11-16 04:17:42 PM

Headso: the801: first reaction of a man out walking who sees a woman with an exposed boob - PULL A GUN! KILL IT IF IT DOESN'T RUN AWAY OR AT LEAST HIDE THE BOOB! DEATH!

would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence?

this is probably a shock to many farkers here but in general men are stronger than women and can overpower them.


I'm waiting for the same freaks you speak of to start accusing the woman of having a small penis. Wish the people with lives that sad would just end it.
 
2012-11-16 06:55:53 PM

jbuist: HMS_Blinkin: Hopefully she had the safety on

Most handguns don't have manual safeties. Not sure why everybody seems to think they do.


How would you put a safety on a revolver anyway?
 
2012-11-16 07:04:25 PM

Ghengis_Socrates: jbuist: But she should have chambered a round before she left the house. Just silly carrying around a half loaded gun.

Perhaps that is her vision of exercising restraint? I would have one in the chamber, but, OTH, my gun does have a safety.


My revolver is always ready. No chambering, thank you.
 
2012-11-16 07:11:15 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.

I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"

I can't even imagine how weak a person would have to be that the only reaction they know to some perceived threat is to automatically pull a firearm. What a horrible life that must be, in such constant fear and helplessness.


I legally carry a revolver. Which is why I don't live in fear and helplessness.

I have yet to draw it.
 
2012-11-16 07:15:30 PM

misguided: SkunkWerks: misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.

Preferably with guns. Yes.

I've been flashed three times.I think my best response was "Awww it like a penis but smaller."
(first two times I just laughed.)


Did you have a child with you?
 
2012-11-16 11:34:19 PM
RCW 9A.16.050

Homicide - By other person - When justifiable.

Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.
 
2012-11-17 03:41:26 AM
mypetjawa.mu.nu
 
2012-11-17 10:01:46 AM
so here I am the bottom feeder, replying to a stale thread - so you know I'm pre-shamed

Training, I've had training and the most salient point for here is this: "I acted to counter a threat" and say not much more than that until you talk to a lawyer. I guess that concealed carrying training includes something like this.
 
2012-11-17 11:54:37 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: ThighsofGlory: What would you like to have seen happen?

I know that actually reading and understanding a thread is a tall order before opening your maw and making a fool of yourself, but when the context for the string of comments you're replying to starts off only 9 posts deep, you could at least put that effort into understanding what's going on.

I have not, to this point, said one word about what this woman did, except to suggest off-handedly that it would be more amusing had she given him a nut shot. The string of comments you are jumping into has nothing to do with her directly and everything to do with OnlyM3's (who, being a complete coward as usual, dropped his turd in the thread and ran away like a little biatch) immediate descent into derp-constructed strawmen by implying that anybody who suggests there even were alternatives must be pro-rape:

OnlyM3: mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time? 

It's really not that hard. Woman: no issue. Jackass constructing strawmen: issue.


So what would like to have seen happen?
 
2012-11-17 02:36:42 PM
So its cool if i shoot about a 1000 chicks at mardi gras next year?
 
2012-11-17 07:54:11 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: shouldn't have felt threatened

I guess that's a good point. I forgot to include the fact that people like you and OnlyM3, beyond being complete rockheads, are also incredible cowards who feel compelled to pull a gun every time you "feel threatened" at any level.

Thanks for the correction.

phenn: That assumes he wasn't packing. Which you probably shouldn't. She didn't fire. I don't think any serious lines were crossed here. Not by her, anyway.

I don't either, I just find it amazing that some people are so dimwitted and cowardly that it seems like the only solution they can even conceive in a situation like this is pulling a gun.

People who's only available reaction to ever possible threat is "shoot it!" are, ironically, exactly the types of people who probably shouldn't be carrying guns in the first place.


That is your opinion and you are welcome to share it, at the same time you should be careful of who you approach aggressively while masturbating because there are plenty of people that carry guns and are willing to ruin your little joke. Old people, little guys, women with children, most of them will find it humorous when you shiat yourself backing up and fall in it.

Displaying the means and willingness to forcibly say "NO" ended her encounter satisfactorily with no one getting shot so she proved that she has excellent self-control. That is what really bothers you, isn't it?
 
2012-11-17 08:08:40 PM

jbuist: Ghengis_Socrates: The Ruger .380 does not have a safety. Loading the magazine and releasing the slide chambers a round. She did exactly that; She was ready to fire, but didn't. Not sure why the safety matters. If you don't think you may have to shoot, don't chamber a round. She felt there was a possibility that she may have to shoot, so she did. How is this a problem?

I wasn't being critical of her choice, just pointing out most handguns don't have manual safeties.

But she should have chambered a round before she left the house. Just silly carrying around a half loaded gun.


I would agree with your first point if you changed it to "many handguns don't have safeties", 4 out of 4 of mine do have them. And it is totally beside the point.
Your second point was totally correct.
So, how many points should she get for acting correctly?
Aggressively approach a woman alone with her child in a remote location and you deserve having a gun pointed at you whether you're holding your dick or a Bible.
 
2012-11-18 10:39:48 PM

jbuist: But she should have chambered a round before she left the house. Just silly carrying around a half loaded gun.


Depends on the gun. It's often a good idea to carry older, non-drop-safe guns (like a 1911) in Condition 3 (loaded magazine, no round in the chamber). Similarly, an old style revolver without a transfer bar safety should be carried with an empty chamber below the hammer. Many people, especially those who learned to shoot before the 1960s, were taught that this is the "right" way to carry... especially if they served in WWII or Korea (or learned from someone who did). And it was, then.

Even though it's mostly obsolete advice with modern firearms, it's still a good practice. It's always safe to carry any gun in condition 3 regardless of what safety features it has or lacks, but there are many (mostly older) guns that aren't safe to carry in condition 2 or condition 1. Erring on the side of caution is almost always a good idea when handling firearms.
 
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