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2012-11-16 10:53:00 AM

Headso: So you're going with


...the notion that she was not cornered, yes. Admittedly the article doesn't say she wasn't- then again, it doesn't say she was either.

Come to think of it, there's a ton this article doesn't get into in detail. So honestly, splitting hairs is in and of itself, pretty hilarious.

This is of course why I am engaging in it.
 
2012-11-16 10:54:23 AM

Coolfusis: aelat: Ghengis_Socrates: Headso: apparently all the farkers saying this was no big deal were, they knew exactly what this guy was thinking too and based on their knowledge of the situation they have deuced that this woman should have just waited it out.

No, I was not there. On the other hand, none of the articles that I read about this incident stated whether or not she actually pointed the gun at him. That would be the line between credible and not credible threat of use of deadly force. There is a huge difference between pointing at him and not. As far as I know, none of us know. Also, none of us know what the guy was or was not thinking. I conjecture that she, too, had no idea what he was thinking. Perhaps that entered into her thought process, but we will probably never know.

Plus, it's illegal for someone with a CHL to brandish their weapon for the sole purpose of intimidation. It was probably easy for the woman in question to justify her actions to the police, but others should exercise caution if they plan to follow her example in similar situations. Even if you don't point the muzzle at someone, it is illegal to brandish a legally-owned-and-carried firearm to intimidate someone, even if "they started it." Obviously if you draw it with intent to shoot them and they get intimidated by that, you're A-OK.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any fire armor any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance,whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense.

Just about every brandishing law has that clause. If there's a valid reason to feel threatened, you can draw your weapon, even if you d ...


Which is why I said it was easy for her to justify her actions. Thanks for reinforcing my point? Or did you skip over when I use the phrase sole purpose of intimidation?
 
2012-11-16 10:59:52 AM
Holy hell this thread is full of pussies....
 
2012-11-16 11:00:26 AM

The Muthaship: Holy hell this thread is full of penises....


FIFTY
 
2012-11-16 11:02:01 AM
aelat:

After all the people attacking the woman's actions, I just assumed you were trying to say she was wrong because of brandishing laws. My bad.
 
2012-11-16 11:02:20 AM

Headso: SkunkWerks: Walk the other way.

So you're going with this lady knew this guy's intent and she shouldn't have feared for her safety and just turn around and stroll away? Wow...


As opposed to the wild and unsubstantiated assumptions you're making which are totally legit.
 
2012-11-16 11:03:14 AM

aelat: Which is why I said it was easy for her to justify her actions. Thanks for reinforcing my point? Or did you skip over when I use the phrase sole purpose of intimidation?


I think her actions were justified. Were you talking to me?
 
2012-11-16 11:05:01 AM
I was hoping she was gonna beat him up with a dildo.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:44 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: SkunkWerks: Walk the other way.

So you're going with this lady knew this guy's intent and she shouldn't have feared for her safety and just turn around and stroll away? Wow...

As opposed to the wild and unsubstantiated assumptions you're making which are totally legit.


the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.
 
2012-11-16 11:05:56 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: As opposed to the wild and unsubstantiated assumptions


As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective (to wit: the mere displaying of a penis openly is regarded by many in this very thread as "aggressive").

To be sure, there really isn't a lot of information here to judge the lady's reaction- one way or the other.

Not that any of this (or lack of this) will stop this thread from becoming a gun rights thread.

Enjoy!
 
2012-11-16 11:06:35 AM

Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.


Easy for you to say, you aren't out there flashing old ladies on a regular basis.
 
2012-11-16 11:07:25 AM

CygnusDarius: I was hoping she was gonna beat him up with a dildo.


This would have been a far more appropriate escalation of force.

It also happens to be a perfect description of one of my Favorite Guy Ritchie villains.
 
2012-11-16 11:15:15 AM

SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective


exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.
 
2012-11-16 11:16:27 AM

Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.


I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"

I can't even imagine how weak a person would have to be that the only reaction they know to some perceived threat is to automatically pull a firearm. What a horrible life that must be, in such constant fear and helplessness.
 
2012-11-16 11:16:38 AM

Huntceet: Ok, show me in the rapee handbook where it says rape can't commence after a show of masturbation.


Have you ever heard of a rape happening this way? Ever? Really, rack your brain and try to find an example. Because I can't.
 
2012-11-16 11:19:38 AM

Coolfusis: aelat:

After all the people attacking the woman's actions, I just assumed you were trying to say she was wrong because of brandishing laws. My bad.


No worries, it's a fine-line type topic (as far as I'm concerned).

I agree she's justified in her situation, but I get nervous with all the "Yeah, fark that guy!" talk. In this instance I think that attitude is appropriate, I just hope others are very careful if they're ever in a similar situation. I can just imagine the conversation with the police:

"So then you drew your weapon. Did he threaten you?"
"Yeah - he flashed me!"
"I didn't ask you if he flashed you - did he make you feel in fear of great bodily harm or death?"
"Well, he flashed me - logically, rape will follow, right"
"..."

The fate of the CHL holder could get real uncertain real quick.
 
2012-11-16 11:19:51 AM

Headso: exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.


Yes. It has the hilarious effect of getting folk like yourselves foaming at the mouths.

I know I'm enjoying it.
 
2012-11-16 11:20:33 AM

cryinoutloud: Have you ever heard of a rape happening this way?


Where a man aggressively approaches a woman unknown to him with his dick out?

Yeah, I think I heard about it happening once or twice.
 
2012-11-16 11:20:54 AM

mynameist: There is a huge gap between flashing and rape.

NO Has there even been a case where someone was flashed and then raped moments later? Most rapists get started with inappropriately exposing themselves.
 
2012-11-16 11:22:38 AM

SkunkWerks: CygnusDarius: I was hoping she was gonna beat him up with a dildo.

This would have been a far more appropriate escalation of force.

It also happens to be a perfect description of one of my Favorite Guy Ritchie villains.


And that was seen as a nice way to go. Now, that, is why you pay Hatchet Harry, when you owe.
 
2012-11-16 11:22:47 AM

SkunkWerks: Son of Thunder: According to forensic psychological research

So, the psychology of dead people?

Do tell.



Are you not sure what forensic psychology is, or are you confused by the word forensic?
 
2012-11-16 11:23:11 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"


I think I am seeing your problem here, you have not read the article or any of the posts in the thread. She actually didn't fire the gun, the guy ran off and I never advocating her shooting the guy. If he didn't run off after she pulled the gun and continued to aggressively approach her, yeah she should have shot him.

Her pulling the gun resulted in an end to a crime being committed against her, you and others in this thread have a problem with this.
 
2012-11-16 11:23:42 AM

SkunkWerks: Son of Thunder: According to forensic psychological research

So, the psychology of dead people?

Do tell.


Really?
 
2012-11-16 11:23:53 AM

mynameist: Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.


that's patently stupid

in case this needs to be explained: if a person is nutty enough to run up and expose himself, he's not exactly got my vote of confidence of mental stability. protecting yourself is appropriate.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-11-16 11:24:25 AM

elsuavio: Are you not sure what forensic psychology is


I'm sure what it's not. Pretty much all I needed to know there.
 
2012-11-16 11:24:54 AM

Headso: Her pulling the gun resulted in an end to a crime being committed against her, you and others in this thread have a problem with this.


THIS! There was a crime here, perpetrated by a sociopath. The old lady had no idea how far this obviously disturbed criminal was, and feared for her safety.
 
2012-11-16 11:25:49 AM

R.A.Danny: THIS!


PENISES EVERYWHERE!
 
2012-11-16 11:26:51 AM
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2012-11-16 11:28:22 AM
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Couldn't resist.
 
2012-11-16 11:28:28 AM
There are other options,. you know. (Besides Fark Rye For Many Whores)

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2012-11-16 11:29:06 AM

SkunkWerks: Headso: exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.

Yes. It has the hilarious effect of getting folk like yourselves foaming at the mouths.

I know I'm enjoying it.


What irks me here is that the gun fetishists are so overwhelmed by their irrational passion for firearms that they have an absolute farking conniption if they get even the slightest whiff of an idea that a person may not completely agree with them over the use of a gun.

At no point in this thread have I said that what this woman did wasn't at least on some level understandable. The closest I've come is my light-hearted Weeners that it would have been better if she'd given him a quick nut shot.

Yet I have been repeatedly accused by the fetishists of attacking her.

These people are idiots. The same idiots that you read about in the news when somebody gets shot dead on the berm after a road rage incident. It never occurs to them that there are different appropriate reactions to an implied or explicit threat based on the level of that threat so they're the type of jackasses who, after being cut off by someone by accident on the way home, chase the person down and shoot them in the face.

"B-b-b-but they almost hit me, it was justified!", they'll say.

No, it was not. Not every single threat a person faces against their person justifies immediate escalation to potential homicide.

Yet, even suggesting that just throws these people into a hysteria. It's amazing they manage to survive long enough to post here with their entirely unreasonable views on human interaction. 

Headso: Her pulling the gun resulted in an end to a crime being committed against her, you and others in this thread have a problem with this.


What part of this is confusing you? I'm attacking YOU and OnlyM3 for the responses you have made in this thread. Unless you're the woman from the article, why is this tripping you up so badly? 

And if you're pulling a gun with no intention of shooting your target, you shouldn't be carrying a farking gun.
 
2012-11-16 11:31:24 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The closest I've come is my light-hearted Weeners


Fortunately, at the IT guy for my company, procuring a new keyboard is a momentary affair.
 
2012-11-16 11:32:47 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: And if you're pulling a gun with no intention of shooting your target, you shouldn't be carrying a farking gun.


what is this like your 10th post in the thread blaming the victim for the way she chose to end a crime being perpetuated against her?
 
2012-11-16 11:34:25 AM

Headso: what is this like your 10th post in the thread blaming the victim for the way she chose to end a crime being perpetuated against her?


I agree. There aren't enough posts in this thread about light-hearted Weeners.
 
2012-11-16 11:36:46 AM

Headso: SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective

exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.


I'm always amazed at the level of privilege some farkers display. "Hey that lady and her six year old should have totally turned their back and walked away from the guy aggressively coming at them while masturbating. I'm sure nothing would have happened to her or her kid. She could read his mind and knew he didn't mean to cause her physical harm so there was no reason to defend her family with a gun"

Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims
 
2012-11-16 11:41:14 AM

Carth: Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims because watching the butthurt from the other side of the fence as they spew meaningless whargarbl is frankly hilarious


FIFTY
 
2012-11-16 11:43:58 AM
I'll just leave this completely unrelated image here.
 
2012-11-16 11:46:10 AM

Coolfusis: I'll just leave this completely unrelated image here.

  

Or I won't, because FARK hates me.


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2012-11-16 11:46:29 AM

Carth: Headso: SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective

exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.

I'm always amazed at the level of privilege some farkers display. "Hey that lady and her six year old should have totally turned their back and walked away from the guy aggressively coming at them while masturbating. I'm sure nothing would have happened to her or her kid. She could read his mind and knew he didn't mean to cause her physical harm so there was no reason to defend her family with a gun"

Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims


You misunderstand. These people ARE flashers. They are trying to get others on their side. Never expect a man to act against his own self interests.
 
2012-11-16 11:48:12 AM
Excuse me while I whip this out
 
2012-11-16 11:50:49 AM

for good or for awesome: Carth: Headso: SkunkWerks: As stated, the article doesn't really say much about her situation, and phrases like "approached aggressively" are vague and highly subjective

exactly, so we should err on the side of caution and blame the victim here.

I'm always amazed at the level of privilege some farkers display. "Hey that lady and her six year old should have totally turned their back and walked away from the guy aggressively coming at them while masturbating. I'm sure nothing would have happened to her or her kid. She could read his mind and knew he didn't mean to cause her physical harm so there was no reason to defend her family with a gun"

Fark.com: supporting sex offenders over victims

You misunderstand. These people ARE flashers. They are trying to get others on their side. Never expect a man to act against his own self interests.


I never even considered that! You've opened my eyes...... hey why is everyone naked!
 
2012-11-16 11:51:05 AM

for good or for awesome: You misunderstand. These people ARE flashers. They are trying to get others on their side. Never expect a man to act against his own self interests.


Well, to be fair, the flasher lobby is a really powerful lobby in this country.

We were trying to get corporations declared as penises, but somehow corporate lobbies beat us out and now our country considers them people instead.



/shakefist
 
2012-11-16 11:53:05 AM
first reaction of a man out walking who sees a woman with an exposed boob - PULL A GUN! KILL IT IF IT DOESN'T RUN AWAY OR AT LEAST HIDE THE BOOB! DEATH!

would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence? assuming the situation happened in a place where bare boobs without babies attached to them were illegal, and assuming that the penis incident happened in a place where bare penises are illegal.
 
2012-11-16 11:54:54 AM

the801: would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence?


Yes.

Penises are scary, but breasts are absolutely terrifying.
 
2012-11-16 11:59:29 AM

the801: first reaction of a man out walking who sees a woman with an exposed boob - PULL A GUN! KILL IT IF IT DOESN'T RUN AWAY OR AT LEAST HIDE THE BOOB! DEATH!

would the same frothing gun nuts in here blindly defend that guy with such vehemence?


this is probably a shock to many farkers here but in general men are stronger than women and can overpower them.
 
2012-11-16 11:59:46 AM

OnlyM3: mynameist

Nice, because upping the ante to violence is always amusing.
You're french, aren't you. Your advice to her would be what? Drop and spread next time?


Point and laugh. Pulling a gun on a flasher is like punching a 2 year old for slapping you.
 
2012-11-16 12:01:42 PM

Headso: this is probably a shock to many farkers here but in general men are stronger than women and can overpower them.


Pssh, tackling a woman with exposed breasts just makes you a rapist, silly.
 
2012-11-16 12:03:42 PM
Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.
 
2012-11-16 12:04:31 PM

misguided: Wow a lot of Farkers must like jerking off in the park.


Preferably with guns. Yes.
 
2012-11-16 12:04:41 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Headso: the victim of a sex offender felt threatened enough to pull her gun while being victimized, I'll side with the victim while you keep blaming her for her actions, thanks.

I'm not blaming her for anything, I just think you're a dumbass because the only response you seem to even have in your repertoire is "SHOOT IT!"

I can't even imagine how weak a person would have to be that the only reaction they know to some perceived threat is to automatically pull a firearm. What a horrible life that must be, in such constant fear and helplessness.


"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent," said Isaac Asimov. Competent people think of it first.
 
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