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(Huffington Post)   You know who's happy about Papa Johns adding an ObamaCharge to their prices? Every other pizza chain, that's who   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-11-16 10:52:53 AM  
4 votes:
Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.

A quick googling shows that Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase. This is nothing but John Schnatter crying over fractions of a percent instead of taking care of his employees.

This is a fundamental problem with capitalism, the short-sightedness of the Tragedy of the Commons. Society as a whole will be much better off with these people having preventative care than waiting until an emergency room crisis we all end up paying for. You'd think conservatives of all people would understand the classic maxim of an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure but all this greedy little man can see is fractions of a percent he will never miss going to make the lives better of his working-poor employees and he *hates* it.
2012-11-16 10:16:18 AM  
4 votes:
There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?
2012-11-16 03:13:44 PM  
3 votes:
Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase. This is nothing but John Schnatter crying over fractions of a percent instead of taking care of his employees.


blessthe40oz.com
2012-11-16 12:55:22 PM  
2 votes:

natazha: We tend to buy from chains (not Papa John's though). Why? Because the little shops in our area don't seem to be able to have a pizza ready when they say they will. We can order from Pizza Hut online, hop in the car, and the pizza will be ready when we get there.


What an ADD society might look like.

"I don't care if it is good, just that it is ready before I get distracted ... oh look, American Idol!"
2012-11-16 12:35:38 PM  
2 votes:

pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.


Sorry, I didn't realize this had already been covered when I posted. But I'm glad the world hasn't gone insane and people do realize that Papa John's is awful.
2012-11-16 11:06:26 AM  
2 votes:
Papa John's is the best of the fast food pizza joints, IMO. I like the thin crust.

That said, the fact that I live within 1.5 miles of a real pizza joint that makes real pizza that's real good means I never have to eat fast food pizza from anywhere unless I'm just far too lazy or drunk to go pick it up.

I'd boycott them if I did though. Just on a different principle. I don't like to give my money to whiny, biatch-ass millionaires sobbing about their terrible plight to the masses.

Grow a pair and quit your blubbering you farking loser.
2012-11-16 10:59:12 AM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


that's because you have poor taste
2012-11-16 10:52:33 AM  
2 votes:

Arkanaut: What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


i45.tinypic.com

Odds it's better than Papa John's? Probably pretty good.
May have to try a slice next time I'm back there.
2012-11-16 10:39:20 AM  
2 votes:

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


As someone who has had Ian's in Madison and Milwaukee, Ian's is far superior. It's not Casa Bianca's though...RIP Casa B's. Your meatball pizza was mana straight from heaven.

On topic, HAHA Papa. Cry MOAR.
2012-11-16 10:20:39 AM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.
2012-11-16 10:20:28 AM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.
2012-11-17 03:21:20 AM  
1 vote:
I'll stick with my Little Caesars hot-n-ready for 5 bucks. It tastes as good as most other pizza's and at that price it cant be beat.
2012-11-16 07:00:08 PM  
1 vote:
A listed surcharge that basically says "this much of your price went straight to giving our employees livable health care coverage" - that seems like more of a positive advertisement than anything.
2012-11-16 04:49:28 PM  
1 vote:
Also, the "Well, Duh!" of the week award goes to Jonathan Gruber:

"A lot of what drives statements like those of Papa John's CEO are politics, not economics," Gruber said.
2012-11-16 04:20:58 PM  
1 vote:

roc6783: Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?

As someone who has had Ian's in Madison and Milwaukee, Ian's is far superior.


Even comparing Ian's to Papa Johns is a huge slap in the face. You don't compare [insert your favorite microbrew here] to Miller Lite, it's just ridiculous.
2012-11-16 03:26:09 PM  
1 vote:
You can't get around the cost of things. Even if Obamacare does force Papa John's to raise the price of pizza, we can either pay more for pizza, or pay more in tax dollars to provide Medicaid to most of its employees.
2012-11-16 03:13:17 PM  
1 vote:
After their CEO's temper tantrum, I will now go out of my way to eat any other pizza than a Papa John's pizza.
2012-11-16 01:38:07 PM  
1 vote:

Cotton Rinkenbolts: phaseolus: Buffalo77: Ian's pizza cost 50% more that Papa John so I think Ian already has his healthcare costs and his greed built into his price.

Hmmm.

<clicks on profile> "Location: Houston"

Okay.


Cotton Rinkenbolts: Maybe I'll have to start patronizing the Ian's near my place in Milwaukee. I haven't returned because my first visit was underwhelming. I walked in, saw the great-looking pizzas on display under the heat lamps and asked for a slice. The guy walked to the open area near the back, picked up a room-temperature slice of pizza sitting on the racks, sprinkled some cheese on it and put it in the oven for about a minute. I was like, 'WTF?'

It was good, but it was reheated pizza, so the cheese re-melted and all the grease just oozed out. Not my idea of a good slice. Maybe I'll order a whole pie from them instead.


They're taking their cue from NYC pizza-by-the-slice places, it's how almost everyone does it. Classic Slice is a bit different -- I think they parbake a big-ass crust until it's just firm enough, cut into those huge slices, finally adding toppings and baking as each slice is ordered. It's great pizza (in my opinion, not fond of their sausage though) but they recently closed their North Ave. location so you'll have to go to Bay View to get some.

They did?! Aw man, now I feel bad. I was actually planning on ordering them tonight.


Ok, totally misread your post and thought you meant Ian's closed, rather than Classic Slice. So I called Ian's and they said, "nope, we're still open". So my plans are back on!

/CSB
2012-11-16 01:01:20 PM  
1 vote:

natazha: We tend to buy from chains (not Papa John's though). Why? Because the little shops in our area don't seem to be able to have a pizza ready when they say they will. We can order from Pizza Hut online, hop in the car, and the pizza will be ready when we get there.


When I call into my place for an order for pick up, they tell me, "See you in 10 minutes." I get there 5 minutes later to watch my pie come out of the oven. The fat Pakistani guy covered in flour drops into the box and cuts it right in front of me at the counter. It's still burn the shiat out of your mouth hot by time I get home.
2012-11-16 12:13:13 PM  
1 vote:
It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.
2012-11-16 12:08:33 PM  
1 vote:
A company that's giving away 2 million free pizzas is thinking they may have to downsize to remain competitive? Stop giving away free pizza.
2012-11-16 11:39:04 AM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


They could half it in neighborhood and I still wouldn't buy it. Actually, now with this dickhead move, they could cut their prices by 2/3 and I wouldn't buy it.

/I get better frozen pizza at Publix than any of those chains deliver.
2012-11-16 10:58:54 AM  
1 vote:
While Papa John has every right to fire his workers if he wants, making some stupid political statement out of it is the dumbest thing he could have done. I sure as shiat wouldn't have noticed if the price of my pizza went up $0.50, and I doubt many other people would have either. Now he's made himself look like a douche, and he'll surely lose more business than he would have had he simply raised his prices a bit.
2012-11-16 10:48:33 AM  
1 vote:
The "ObamaCharge" was already paid for when they raised their prices during the Commodities Bubble of 2007 and never dropped them afterwards.
2012-11-16 10:47:56 AM  
1 vote:
I like their pizza, and I love the garlic sauce. You can all kiss my fat ass!!!

//their CEO is still a douchebag, though
///closest town that has delivery pizza is 40 miles away, closest Papa Johns is over 100, so maybe it's just the fact that I only actually eat it about once a year that makes it seem more special
2012-11-16 10:39:04 AM  
1 vote:
As a former PJ's delivery drone, all this CEO asshattery makes me smile.
2012-11-16 10:32:48 AM  
1 vote:

Altman: Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.


And what's the deal with that garlic butter stuff? Does anyone use it? Hell, they could probably afford health care for their employees if they just cut that out of their inventory.
 
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