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2012-11-16 09:51:00 AM  
Martin, a part owner of Ian's Pizza, a pizza shop with four locations in Wisconsin, said his business has offered full heath care coverage to its 50 full-time employees for years, making it all the more difficult to compete with national chains like Papa John's that pay workers low wages without health benefits.

Hey, buddy - if you support socialism you don't deserve to compete in this great capitalist system.
 
2012-11-16 10:16:18 AM  
There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?
 
2012-11-16 10:16:23 AM  
Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.
 
2012-11-16 10:20:28 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.
 
2012-11-16 10:20:39 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.
 
2012-11-16 10:27:39 AM  
his business has offered full heath care coverage

www.jvslandscape.com

What full heath care may look like.
 
2012-11-16 10:31:09 AM  

Altman: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.

Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.


"Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too
 
2012-11-16 10:32:01 AM  

pizen: Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.


Oh there are a few really good pizzas here in town. One about 5 miles away. The only times we order delivery is when me or the miss so badly f up dinner that we just cant eat it. Since we both enjoy cooking and trying new things total failure happens about 1 to 2 times a month. And by the time you get done cooking, admit that we failed the kids have their pjs on, I'm not going to run to get pizza.

I dont always go to get pizza, but when I do I eat Savastano's
 
2012-11-16 10:32:48 AM  

Altman: Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.


And what's the deal with that garlic butter stuff? Does anyone use it? Hell, they could probably afford health care for their employees if they just cut that out of their inventory.
 
2012-11-16 10:34:37 AM  

Carousel Beast: "Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too


Yes, you did express yourself poorly.

:P

Pizza Hut deep dish is edible, but just barely.
 
2012-11-16 10:39:04 AM  
As a former PJ's delivery drone, all this CEO asshattery makes me smile.
 
2012-11-16 10:39:20 AM  

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


As someone who has had Ian's in Madison and Milwaukee, Ian's is far superior. It's not Casa Bianca's though...RIP Casa B's. Your meatball pizza was mana straight from heaven.

On topic, HAHA Papa. Cry MOAR.
 
2012-11-16 10:40:41 AM  

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


It probably does. The reason that papa johns is able to undercut local shops is because they are able to buy in bulk at lower prices, and they offer online ordering. We have been moving to a cashless society, that hurts places that don't have an online presence.
 
2012-11-16 10:44:25 AM  

Carousel Beast: Altman: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.

Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.

"Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too


I guess it's a bigger deal when you live outside of a "pizza" area. I lived in North Carolina for 6 years and really didnt love any of the pizza options, but found Pizza Hut to be the least distasteful. CSB.
 
2012-11-16 10:45:14 AM  
My favorite: Toto's. Three locations on mid-San Francisco peninsula, awesome sauce, and they deliver.
 
2012-11-16 10:46:01 AM  
i ordered papa johns once in the last 10 years... basically because you could order online and i was too hung over to talk to someone over the phone. i would rather have bought flour, yeast, grown my own tomatoes and made my own pizza than eat that cardboard like, school-lunch tasting pizza.

just found out a local place that offers infinitely better pizza also allows online ordering, so to hell with papa johns.

/ it's not often that i have this kind of a hangover, but when I do, i prefer not to deal with humanity.
// also, it's very rare that i opt for pizza while death is knocking, I usually go vietnamese or thai. punish the gastro-intestinal tract while replenishing fluids.
 
2012-11-16 10:47:56 AM  
I like their pizza, and I love the garlic sauce. You can all kiss my fat ass!!!

//their CEO is still a douchebag, though
///closest town that has delivery pizza is 40 miles away, closest Papa Johns is over 100, so maybe it's just the fact that I only actually eat it about once a year that makes it seem more special
 
2012-11-16 10:48:12 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Domino's could double their price, and they'd cost about the same as Papa John's.
 
2012-11-16 10:48:33 AM  
The "ObamaCharge" was already paid for when they raised their prices during the Commodities Bubble of 2007 and never dropped them afterwards.
 
2012-11-16 10:52:33 AM  

Arkanaut: What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


i45.tinypic.com

Odds it's better than Papa John's? Probably pretty good.
May have to try a slice next time I'm back there.
 
2012-11-16 10:52:53 AM  
Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.

A quick googling shows that Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase. This is nothing but John Schnatter crying over fractions of a percent instead of taking care of his employees.

This is a fundamental problem with capitalism, the short-sightedness of the Tragedy of the Commons. Society as a whole will be much better off with these people having preventative care than waiting until an emergency room crisis we all end up paying for. You'd think conservatives of all people would understand the classic maxim of an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure but all this greedy little man can see is fractions of a percent he will never miss going to make the lives better of his working-poor employees and he *hates* it.
 
2012-11-16 10:55:00 AM  
Go Pizza Town

Awesome BBQ Chicken pizza.

/Haligonian
 
2012-11-16 10:56:07 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: pizen: Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.

Oh there are a few really good pizzas here in town. One about 5 miles away. The only times we order delivery is when me or the miss so badly f up dinner that we just cant eat it. Since we both enjoy cooking and trying new things total failure happens about 1 to 2 times a month. And by the time you get done cooking, admit that we failed the kids have their pjs on, I'm not going to run to get pizza.

I dont always go to get pizza, but when I do I eat Savastano's


I get your pain, but I'd personally spend 15 or 20 minutes going to get it myself rather than waiting 45 minutes or more for the delivery driver to find my house.

Papa John's sucks, good thing we have a plethora of local and small chain pizza joints to choose from.
 
2012-11-16 10:56:10 AM  
If I were running Papa Johns I'd be more concerned about Payton Manning trying to give away millions of free pizzas.
 
2012-11-16 10:58:54 AM  
While Papa John has every right to fire his workers if he wants, making some stupid political statement out of it is the dumbest thing he could have done. I sure as shiat wouldn't have noticed if the price of my pizza went up $0.50, and I doubt many other people would have either. Now he's made himself look like a douche, and he'll surely lose more business than he would have had he simply raised his prices a bit.
 
2012-11-16 10:59:12 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


that's because you have poor taste
 
2012-11-16 10:59:18 AM  
Are there really that many places in the US that don't have a local pizza shop that delivers ?

I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains.

Here in my area of NY the big chains don't even bother setting up shop. There are pizza joints everywhere and almost all of them deliver.
 
2012-11-16 10:59:32 AM  

Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.


So your taste buds don't work? Pizza Hut is grease. Nothing but grease piled on greasy bread covered in greasy cheese. The only time Pizza Hut pizza is acceptable is if you haven't shiat in five days and you need a food sled to expedite your anus product.
 
2012-11-16 10:59:37 AM  
Papa Johns is undercooked. The sauce doesn't even taste like it got hot let alone carmelized, synthesized, carbonized, hypmotized...
 
2012-11-16 11:06:26 AM  
Papa John's is the best of the fast food pizza joints, IMO. I like the thin crust.

That said, the fact that I live within 1.5 miles of a real pizza joint that makes real pizza that's real good means I never have to eat fast food pizza from anywhere unless I'm just far too lazy or drunk to go pick it up.

I'd boycott them if I did though. Just on a different principle. I don't like to give my money to whiny, biatch-ass millionaires sobbing about their terrible plight to the masses.

Grow a pair and quit your blubbering you farking loser.
 
2012-11-16 11:06:55 AM  

Arkanaut: What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?



In my opinion it's at least two orders of magnitude better than Papa John's. I eat at their Milwaukee E. North Ave. location whenever I'm in the neighborhood and hungry, and I love it. It's a by-the-slice joint and their combinations are a little surprising at first glance but it's very tasty and I'm always surprised that the total isn't a couple bucks higher than it is. Wonderful taste, great value.

In comparison Papa John's has that awful bready flavorless crust and their sauce tastes like it has as much HFCS as tomato in it. My ex-wife loves it though. Your mileage may vary.
 
2012-11-16 11:10:20 AM  
Dominoes is soon to follow suit, I'm sure.
 
2012-11-16 11:14:28 AM  
I find it ironic that affording healthcare reform is an issue for them as big chain pizza tends to make me feel sick. Maybe if Papa Johns didn't sell the dreck they call pizza, charging a few extra cents more per pie probably wouldn't hurt them. Same with Dominoes, Little Caesar's, and Pizza Hut. Nasty crap, all of them.

Fortunately, where I live, there are at least half a dozen pizza & sub restaurants within 10 minutes that are way, way better and worth the few extra cents. Plus the employees at these places actually seem like they are allowed to keep their souls which makes the experience with them a lot better.

If the quality of the product and service is there, I think most customers aren't gonna refuse giving you business over a small price hike. To me, this issue says more about John's pies and service than the effects of ebil soshalizm.
 
2012-11-16 11:14:48 AM  

Lsherm: Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

So your taste buds don't work? Pizza Hut is grease. Nothing but grease piled on greasy bread covered in greasy cheese. The only time Pizza Hut pizza is acceptable is if you haven't shiat in five days and you need a food sled to expedite your anus product.


It's funny 'cause it's true!
 
2012-11-16 11:14:48 AM  
NYPD Pizza has become one of the only chain pizzas I can take. And we have a smattering of them here in Orlando. Flippers is OK in a pinch. Expensive, though.
 
2012-11-16 11:16:46 AM  
I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.
 
2012-11-16 11:24:05 AM  

pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.


The CPK ones are probably the best, and half as expensive as ordering delivery.
 
2012-11-16 11:24:55 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.

The CPK ones are probably the best, and half as expensive as ordering delivery.


yeah, their thin crust pizzas rock.
 
2012-11-16 11:25:26 AM  

pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.


Trader Joe's has some damn fine frozen pizza. Hell, I may just have to pick one up on my home from work.
 
2012-11-16 11:26:30 AM  

kindms: I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains


the problem in our area, is that the good local ones are so popular that they don't do delivery. They don't need to.
 
2012-11-16 11:29:22 AM  
But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

www.thecaptainsmemos.com

/hot
 
2012-11-16 11:29:29 AM  
Where I live my delivery options are Papa John's and Domino's. Between those two, I order Papa John's, if it costs 10 cents more so their employees get healthcare, fine with me. I don't order pizza very much.

/comparing Papa Johns to your local pizza joint is like comparing McDonalds to a real restaurant, the things aren't even comparable so no shiat the restaurant food tastes better
//sometimes the convenience of McDonalds is more important than it being a gourmet meal which is especially true of pizza, which like sex, even when bad is still good
 
2012-11-16 11:29:33 AM  

kindms: Are there really that many places in the US that don't have a local pizza shop that delivers ?

I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains.

Here in my area of NY the big chains don't even bother setting up shop. There are pizza joints everywhere and almost all of them deliver.


Yes

These are usually the same places that get excited when an Olive Garden opens up nearby. Of course here, in the heart of South Louisiana, I still can't understand why people were totally stoked when a farking Red Lobster opened up. A year later and it still has a packed parking lot when you drive by.
 
2012-11-16 11:30:58 AM  

Banacek: But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

[www.thecaptainsmemos.com image 500x375]

/hot


The roof of my mouth hurts just looking at that.
 
2012-11-16 11:31:11 AM  

the opposite of charity is justice: A quick googling shows that Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase.


Point of information: you appear to be looking at their gross profit, which doesn't take into account operating costs. After expenses their profit margin is about 6% pre-tax and 4% after tax. That said it's still a lot of room to work with. Plus they could just do what every single business does, which is to pass it on to their customers either by raising prices or adding some kind of extra fee or service charge.
 
2012-11-16 11:34:21 AM  

Katie98_KT: kindms: I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains

the problem in our area, is that the good local ones are so popular that they don't do delivery. They don't need to.


We have a few of those. Those are the ones we hit when we aren't being lazy. Hell a few of them were cash only up until about a year ago.
 
2012-11-16 11:36:13 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Banacek: But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

[www.thecaptainsmemos.com image 500x375]

/hot

The roof of my mouth hurts just looking at that.


You can cool it down with Yoohoo! I think I just turned back into a six year old...
 
2012-11-16 11:36:30 AM  
Pizza thread? Pizza thread.

Everyone in downtown cincinnati area. Strong's in newport is the best in the city. period. Go there. I can walk there so I know you're already jelly, but they deliever at least as far as OTR, so get on it, amazing pie.
 
2012-11-16 11:39:04 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


They could half it in neighborhood and I still wouldn't buy it. Actually, now with this dickhead move, they could cut their prices by 2/3 and I wouldn't buy it.

/I get better frozen pizza at Publix than any of those chains deliver.
 
2012-11-16 11:43:45 AM  

Arkanaut: Point of information: you appear to be looking at their gross profit, which doesn't take into account operating costs. After expenses their profit margin is about 6% pre-tax and 4% after tax. That said it's still a lot of room to work with. Plus they could just do what every single business does, which is to pass it on to their customers either by raising prices or adding some kind of extra fee or service charge.


Whoa, you're right and I messed that one up real bad. Mea culpa.
 
2012-11-16 11:44:11 AM  

max_pooper: Trader Joe's has some damn fine frozen pizza.


Word.
 
2012-11-16 11:44:26 AM  
Ian's pizza cost 50% more that Papa John so I think Ian already has his healthcare costs and his greed built into his price.
 
2012-11-16 11:47:41 AM  

Arkanaut: And what's the deal with that garlic butter stuff? Does anyone use it?


[CSB]
About a dozen years ago, my then-roommate opened a package of it and set it aflame to see if it would make for an interesting garlic-butter-scented candle.

It damn near exploded. That shiat could be used as rocket fuel.
[/CSB]

/He was always setting things on fire to see if they would make for interesting-scented candles.
//He always failed.
///Hamburger grease was his greatest failure.
 
2012-11-16 11:49:30 AM  
Maybe I'll have to start patronizing the Ian's near my place in Milwaukee. I haven't returned because my first visit was underwhelming. I walked in, saw the great-looking pizzas on display under the heat lamps and asked for a slice. The guy walked to the open area near the back, picked up a room-temperature slice of pizza sitting on the racks, sprinkled some cheese on it and put it in the oven for about a minute. I was like, 'WTF?'

It was good, but it was reheated pizza, so the cheese re-melted and all the grease just oozed out. Not my idea of a good slice. Maybe I'll order a whole pie from them instead.
 
2012-11-16 11:57:14 AM  

BKITU: Arkanaut: And what's the deal with that garlic butter stuff? Does anyone use it?

[CSB]
About a dozen years ago, my then-roommate opened a package of it and set it aflame to see if it would make for an interesting garlic-butter-scented candle.

It damn near exploded. That shiat could be used as rocket fuel.
[/CSB]

/He was always setting things on fire to see if they would make for interesting-scented candles.
//He always failed.
///Hamburger grease was his greatest failure.


Really? You were surprised that a solution that almost purely lipids was highly flammable? Rudolph Diesel invented his internal combustion engine with the intent of using vegetable oil as the fuel. It was only after oil became cheap that petroleum distillates arose as the primary fuel source for diesel engines.
 
2012-11-16 12:01:23 PM  
Leveling the playing field?

You chose to be not competitive when you offered all your employees health benefits.

I wouldn't expect Huff Po to understand logic or English though.
 
2012-11-16 12:08:33 PM  
A company that's giving away 2 million free pizzas is thinking they may have to downsize to remain competitive? Stop giving away free pizza.
 
2012-11-16 12:10:33 PM  

Buffalo77: Ian's pizza cost 50% more that Papa John so I think Ian already has his healthcare costs and his greed built into his price.


Hmmm.

<clicks on profile> "Location: Houston"

Okay.


Cotton Rinkenbolts: Maybe I'll have to start patronizing the Ian's near my place in Milwaukee. I haven't returned because my first visit was underwhelming. I walked in, saw the great-looking pizzas on display under the heat lamps and asked for a slice. The guy walked to the open area near the back, picked up a room-temperature slice of pizza sitting on the racks, sprinkled some cheese on it and put it in the oven for about a minute. I was like, 'WTF?'

It was good, but it was reheated pizza, so the cheese re-melted and all the grease just oozed out. Not my idea of a good slice. Maybe I'll order a whole pie from them instead.



They're taking their cue from NYC pizza-by-the-slice places, it's how almost everyone does it. Classic Slice is a bit different -- I think they parbake a big-ass crust until it's just firm enough, cut into those huge slices, finally adding toppings and baking as each slice is ordered. It's great pizza (in my opinion, not fond of their sausage though) but they recently closed their North Ave. location so you'll have to go to Bay View to get some.
 
2012-11-16 12:13:13 PM  
It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.
 
2012-11-16 12:14:17 PM  
FU(K ME!...that would be "hire".
 
2012-11-16 12:25:00 PM  

tdyak: A company that's giving away 2 million free pizzas is thinking they may have to downsize to remain competitive? Stop giving away free pizza.


You could also include stop paying money to be the "official pizza of NFL" and sponsoring a college football championship game.
 
2012-11-16 12:31:22 PM  

phaseolus: In my opinion it's at least two orders of magnitude better than Papa John's. I eat at their Milwaukee E. North Ave. location whenever I'm in the neighborhood and hungry, and I love it. It's a by-the-slice joint and their combinations are a little surprising at first glance but it's very tasty and I'm always surprised that the total isn't a couple bucks higher than it is. Wonderful taste, great value.


Totally agree, though about the one near the capitol building in Madison. Freakin awesome pizza, good beer selection too.

In comparison Papa John's has that awful bready flavorless crust and their sauce tastes like it has as much HFCS as tomato in it.

Definitely. Papa John's is a farking joke. I get mad at people when they suggest ordering it, it sucks so hard and there are a dozen good options here locally. I would sincerely rather just eat Tombstone than that crap.
 
2012-11-16 12:35:04 PM  

HulkHands: that's because you have poor taste


I have excellent taste. But picking the winner of delivery pizza is more like picking the pizza you dislike the least.

I gave you an example of the greatest pizza in the world. Now get in your car and get to driving!

So worth the trip
 
2012-11-16 12:35:38 PM  

pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.


Sorry, I didn't realize this had already been covered when I posted. But I'm glad the world hasn't gone insane and people do realize that Papa John's is awful.
 
2012-11-16 12:36:51 PM  
FTA: businesses with more than 50 workers offer an approved insurance plan or pay a penalty of $2,000 for each full-time worker over 30.

So, at 29 1/2 fire them.
 
2012-11-16 12:44:01 PM  

DaCaptain19: It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.


Given: The business owner in this article provided benefits to his employees

Can't we conclude that some of that might go on, but there will still be business owners that will provide full hours and benefits and those owners will likely have the best employees to choose from?
 
2012-11-16 12:51:49 PM  
We tend to buy from chains (not Papa John's though). Why? Because the little shops in our area don't seem to be able to have a pizza ready when they say they will. We can order from Pizza Hut online, hop in the car, and the pizza will be ready when we get there.
 
2012-11-16 12:55:22 PM  

natazha: We tend to buy from chains (not Papa John's though). Why? Because the little shops in our area don't seem to be able to have a pizza ready when they say they will. We can order from Pizza Hut online, hop in the car, and the pizza will be ready when we get there.


What an ADD society might look like.

"I don't care if it is good, just that it is ready before I get distracted ... oh look, American Idol!"
 
2012-11-16 01:01:20 PM  

natazha: We tend to buy from chains (not Papa John's though). Why? Because the little shops in our area don't seem to be able to have a pizza ready when they say they will. We can order from Pizza Hut online, hop in the car, and the pizza will be ready when we get there.


When I call into my place for an order for pick up, they tell me, "See you in 10 minutes." I get there 5 minutes later to watch my pie come out of the oven. The fat Pakistani guy covered in flour drops into the box and cuts it right in front of me at the counter. It's still burn the shiat out of your mouth hot by time I get home.
 
2012-11-16 01:05:28 PM  

max_pooper: Really? You were surprised that a solution that almost purely lipids was highly flammable?


No, since I wasn't the one setting it on fire to test for candle-ness. I was in the front room, and suddenly I heard a popping sound and "OH SH*T!!!" from the kitchen. My roommate was the one who thought "tub of oil with garlic flavored oil" might burn nice and slow like a candle. Had he taken a moment to ask my opinion, I could have informed him that vegetable oil is a rather energetic liquid.

/If you read closely, you will see that I was answering the question "Does anyone use it?" with a semi-humorous anecdote about an old roommate, for the purpose of eliciting a minor chuckle out of teh intarwebz.
 
2012-11-16 01:07:43 PM  

BKITU: max_pooper: Really? You were surprised that a solution that almost purely lipids was highly flammable?

No, since I wasn't the one setting it on fire to test for candle-ness. I was in the front room, and suddenly I heard a popping sound and "OH SH*T!!!" from the kitchen. My roommate was the one who thought "tub of oil with garlic flavored oil" might burn nice and slow like a candle. Had he taken a moment to ask my opinion, I could have informed him that vegetable oil is a rather energetic liquid.

/If you read closely, you will see that I was answering the question "Does anyone use it?" with a semi-humorous anecdote about an old roommate, for the purpose of eliciting a minor chuckle out of teh intarwebz.


I took your "That shiat could be used as rocket fuel." comment to mean you had no idea vegetable oil was highly flammable.
 
2012-11-16 01:08:13 PM  

the opposite of charity is justice: Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.

A quick googling shows that Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase. This is nothing but John Schnatter crying over fractions of a percent instead of taking care of his employees.

This is a fundamental problem with capitalism, the short-sightedness of the Tragedy of the Commons. Society as a whole will be much better off with these people having preventative care than waiting until an emergency room crisis we all end up paying for. You'd think conservatives of all people would understand the classic maxim of an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure but all this greedy little man can see is fractions of a percent he will never miss going to make the lives better of his working-poor employees and he *hates* it.


If this is true, and if there is any justice in the world, they should have a 47% drop in sales immediately.

/what a waste of skin
 
2012-11-16 01:31:06 PM  
We have so many pizza places around here that I could never eat Papa John's ever again and not miss anything.
 
2012-11-16 01:32:29 PM  

phaseolus: Buffalo77: Ian's pizza cost 50% more that Papa John so I think Ian already has his healthcare costs and his greed built into his price.

Hmmm.

<clicks on profile> "Location: Houston"

Okay.


Cotton Rinkenbolts: Maybe I'll have to start patronizing the Ian's near my place in Milwaukee. I haven't returned because my first visit was underwhelming. I walked in, saw the great-looking pizzas on display under the heat lamps and asked for a slice. The guy walked to the open area near the back, picked up a room-temperature slice of pizza sitting on the racks, sprinkled some cheese on it and put it in the oven for about a minute. I was like, 'WTF?'

It was good, but it was reheated pizza, so the cheese re-melted and all the grease just oozed out. Not my idea of a good slice. Maybe I'll order a whole pie from them instead.


They're taking their cue from NYC pizza-by-the-slice places, it's how almost everyone does it. Classic Slice is a bit different -- I think they parbake a big-ass crust until it's just firm enough, cut into those huge slices, finally adding toppings and baking as each slice is ordered. It's great pizza (in my opinion, not fond of their sausage though) but they recently closed their North Ave. location so you'll have to go to Bay View to get some.


They did?! Aw man, now I feel bad. I was actually planning on ordering them tonight.
 
2012-11-16 01:38:07 PM  

Cotton Rinkenbolts: phaseolus: Buffalo77: Ian's pizza cost 50% more that Papa John so I think Ian already has his healthcare costs and his greed built into his price.

Hmmm.

<clicks on profile> "Location: Houston"

Okay.


Cotton Rinkenbolts: Maybe I'll have to start patronizing the Ian's near my place in Milwaukee. I haven't returned because my first visit was underwhelming. I walked in, saw the great-looking pizzas on display under the heat lamps and asked for a slice. The guy walked to the open area near the back, picked up a room-temperature slice of pizza sitting on the racks, sprinkled some cheese on it and put it in the oven for about a minute. I was like, 'WTF?'

It was good, but it was reheated pizza, so the cheese re-melted and all the grease just oozed out. Not my idea of a good slice. Maybe I'll order a whole pie from them instead.


They're taking their cue from NYC pizza-by-the-slice places, it's how almost everyone does it. Classic Slice is a bit different -- I think they parbake a big-ass crust until it's just firm enough, cut into those huge slices, finally adding toppings and baking as each slice is ordered. It's great pizza (in my opinion, not fond of their sausage though) but they recently closed their North Ave. location so you'll have to go to Bay View to get some.

They did?! Aw man, now I feel bad. I was actually planning on ordering them tonight.


Ok, totally misread your post and thought you meant Ian's closed, rather than Classic Slice. So I called Ian's and they said, "nope, we're still open". So my plans are back on!

/CSB
 
2012-11-16 01:39:21 PM  

jst3p: DaCaptain19: It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.

Given: The business owner in this article provided benefits to his employees

Can't we conclude that some of that might go on, but there will still be business owners that will provide full hours and benefits and those owners will likely have the best employees to choose from?


Certainly that will happen as well. But it might very well be the minority of cases. Hell, I'm not an expert (and, FYI, the first person in the history of FARK to actually admit to that), just hypothesizing.
 
2012-11-16 01:46:06 PM  

Altman: Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.


THIS
 
2012-11-16 01:51:09 PM  

DaCaptain19: jst3p: DaCaptain19: It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.

Given: The business owner in this article provided benefits to his employees

Can't we conclude that some of that might go on, but there will still be business owners that will provide full hours and benefits and those owners will likely have the best employees to choose from?

Certainly that will happen as well. But it might very well be the minority of cases. Hell, I'm not an expert (and, FYI, the first person in the history of FARK to actually admit to that), just hypothesizing.


I am no expert either, but healthcare is not a requirement today yet tons of employers offer it. Personally I hypothesize that it might be expected by more people thus companies that don't offer it will be at a competettive disadvantage.

I think it is a lot like minimum wage. There is this assumption that every single retail and resturaunt pays minimum wage. I don't know the statistics but I know, anecdotally, that this is not true. When you pay minimum wage you experience a lot of intangible costs in turnover. You will have an employee only until they can find a little bit more.
 
2012-11-16 02:06:55 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Carousel Beast: "Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too

Yes, you did express yourself poorly.

:P

Pizza Hut deep dish is edible, but just barely.


Yeah, that's actually what I meant. Not enough sleep :)

I've actually found for PH that the thin crust works better for my taste. And in any case, their bread sticks are 100% win as far as I'm concerned, so they'll keep getting my cash.
 
2012-11-16 03:04:03 PM  

Buffalo77: Ian's pizza cost 50% more that Papa John so I think Ian already has his healthcare costs and his greed built into his price.


Yeah, I sure those 2 things are the only things that are paid for with the increased cost. Not quality.
 
2012-11-16 03:13:17 PM  
After their CEO's temper tantrum, I will now go out of my way to eat any other pizza than a Papa John's pizza.
 
2012-11-16 03:13:44 PM  
Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase. This is nothing but John Schnatter crying over fractions of a percent instead of taking care of his employees.


blessthe40oz.com
 
2012-11-16 03:26:09 PM  
You can't get around the cost of things. Even if Obamacare does force Papa John's to raise the price of pizza, we can either pay more for pizza, or pay more in tax dollars to provide Medicaid to most of its employees.
 
2012-11-16 03:28:54 PM  

DaCaptain19: It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.


One of the solutions I've been calling for to fix the unemployment mess is a 30 hour work week.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the Obama administration is out ahead of that strategy. They announced some enforcement edict that lowers the definition of "full time" to 35 hours to prevent businesses from benefits chicanery.
 
2012-11-16 03:32:28 PM  

Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.


You're from New York and you eat at Pizza Hut? I'm going to hook you up with a gun and a suicide note
 
2012-11-16 03:35:42 PM  

Asako: We have so many pizza places around here that I could never eat Papa John's ever again and not miss anything.


I think this goes for just about everywhere. Even chain store wonderlands feature a pizza place that costs less than or equal to papa john's and tastes way better. I don't know how Papa John's justifies their current pricing.
 
2012-11-16 03:39:32 PM  
We used to order from Papa John's once a month or every other month, but after this shiat we stick to local places.
 
2012-11-16 03:46:46 PM  

phaseolus: Buffalo77: ***snip*** but they recently closed their North Ave. location so you'll have to go to Bay View to get some.


That sucks, I went there a bunch when my wife was at St. Mary's.
 
2012-11-16 03:50:07 PM  

Cotton Rinkenbolts: Cotton Rinkenbolts: phaseolus: Buffalo77: ***snip***.

Ok, totally misread your post and thought you meant Ian's closed, rather than Classic Slice. So I called Ian's and they said, "nope, we're still open". So my plans are back on!

/CSB


Did the same thing
 
2012-11-16 03:59:11 PM  
I had Two Boots in NYC back in the 90s, and it was insanely great.

Any NY'ers confirm that it's still any good? It's been a while....
 
2012-11-16 04:03:16 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Banacek: But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

[www.thecaptainsmemos.com image 500x375]

/hot

The roof of my mouth hurts just looking at that.


Is it weird that I like having pizza mouth?
 
2012-11-16 04:20:58 PM  

roc6783: Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?

As someone who has had Ian's in Madison and Milwaukee, Ian's is far superior.


Even comparing Ian's to Papa Johns is a huge slap in the face. You don't compare [insert your favorite microbrew here] to Miller Lite, it's just ridiculous.
 
2012-11-16 04:25:12 PM  

moothemagiccow: Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

You're from New York and you eat at Pizza Hut? I'm going to hook you up with a gun and a suicide note


sometimes they're the only ones open at 2 am when a munchie strike hits.
 
2012-11-16 04:35:21 PM  
Yeah, this sort of thing is enough to make me not order anymore. Usually I just roll my eyes at this stuff but I would rather sit down and pay twice as much at the local place more or have to drive several miles for the nearest take out chain (my other options) than give this douche money for his mediocre pizza ever again.

Really, there must be some kind of mental defect involved. What type of moron would argue against being a reasonable boss and caring for his employees on this sort of level? Either be terrible and keep your mouth shut or do the right thing and brag about it.

What possible positive solution does he expect from this?
 
2012-11-16 04:47:35 PM  

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


Well, considering it's not a national chain, pretty close to 100%.
 
2012-11-16 04:49:28 PM  
Also, the "Well, Duh!" of the week award goes to Jonathan Gruber:

"A lot of what drives statements like those of Papa John's CEO are politics, not economics," Gruber said.
 
2012-11-16 04:51:53 PM  

moothemagiccow: Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

You're from New York and you eat at Pizza Hut? I'm going to hook you up with a gun and a suicide note


THIS. I live in Chicago where a certain style of pizza is not entirely unknown. Don't know how a Pizza Hut would even stay in operation. But I'm sure in Maine they still have lines waiting to eat at Red Lobster.
 
2012-11-16 04:54:22 PM  

IlGreven: Also, the "Well, Duh!" of the week award goes to Jonathan Gruber:

"A lot of what drives statements like those of Papa John's CEO are politics, not economics," Gruber said.


www.gearfuse.com
 
2012-11-16 06:25:30 PM  

DaCaptain19: But I'm sure in Maine they still have lines waiting to eat at Red Lobster.


IIRC, there was a news story (perhaps even a Fark thread?) a few years ago about the last Red Lobster in the entire state of Maine shutting down.
 
2012-11-16 07:00:08 PM  
A listed surcharge that basically says "this much of your price went straight to giving our employees livable health care coverage" - that seems like more of a positive advertisement than anything.
 
2012-11-16 07:12:01 PM  

moothemagiccow: I don't know how Papa John's justifies their current pricing.


F*ck you, that's how.
 
2012-11-16 07:50:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Sorry to hear about your taste buds. What kind of accident was it?
 
2012-11-16 08:28:58 PM  
Ohhh so many drunken Ian's memories (well, I didn't remember that well) in Madison. Steak and Fries Pizza is magically delicious after 2am.
 
2012-11-16 08:58:42 PM  

Tommy Moo: DaCaptain19: It would seem to me that the underlying point of this entire article is that the ACA might/will produce the following results:

1. Employers will higher more workers, but all new hires as well as current employees will....
2. See their hours cut to the point where they are not eligible for health benefits, which will...
3. Also affect OTHER benefits which said employees will no longer be eligible, e.g. 401k.

So in the end you have more people working, but for a significantly poorer compensation package which excludes company-paid health benefits and any other benefits available to FT employees.

You don't think companies will increase the cost to the consumer AND cut their own costs (via above)? Think again.

/just speculating on a hypothesis.

One of the solutions I've been calling for to fix the unemployment mess is a 30 hour work week.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I remember reading that the Obama administration is out ahead of that strategy. They announced some enforcement edict that lowers the definition of "full time" to 35 hours to prevent businesses from benefits chicanery.


Where I work anything over 35 is OT... so noone that is PT ever gets more than 35 hours a week
 
2012-11-16 09:46:46 PM  
I have two excellent local pizza joints within a block and a half of my house. I walk to get my pizza.
 
2012-11-16 10:00:03 PM  

The_EliteOne: moothemagiccow: Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

You're from New York and you eat at Pizza Hut? I'm going to hook you up with a gun and a suicide note

sometimes they're the only ones open at 2 am when a munchie strike hits.


so much for your "city that never sleeps" horseshiat
 
2012-11-16 10:48:30 PM  

Arkanaut: Altman: Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

And what's the deal with that garlic butter stuff? Does anyone use it? Hell, they could probably afford health care for their employees if they just cut that out of their inventory.


Papa John's is a poor imitation of Greek's pizzeria (in Muncie, IN). The founder used to be a delivery driver for them. They do the whole sweet sauce/garlic butter thing much better. It's different than most pizza, but I do miss greek's every now and then.
 
2012-11-17 01:33:01 AM  

Diogenes: Martin, a part owner of Ian's Pizza, a pizza shop with four locations in Wisconsin, said his business has offered full heath care coverage to its 50 full-time employees for years, making it all the more difficult to compete with national chains like Papa John's that pay workers low wages without health benefits.

Hey, buddy - if you support socialism you don't deserve to compete in this great capitalist system.


However, when your workers get sick they use the healthcare to get healthy again and not forced to come in coughing and sneezing all over the customers food. You think sickpay and health coverage would be a good thing, considering if you get customers sick, the fines can be much higher than any health coverage.
 
2012-11-17 03:21:20 AM  
I'll stick with my Little Caesars hot-n-ready for 5 bucks. It tastes as good as most other pizza's and at that price it cant be beat.
 
2012-11-18 09:37:07 PM  

ReapTheChaos: I'll stick with my Little Caesars hot-n-ready for 5 bucks. It tastes as good as most other pizza's and at that price it cant be beat.


6/10
 
2012-11-19 04:28:48 PM  

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


1:1
 
2012-11-19 04:56:34 PM  
cool, we haven't had a pizza snob thread in 12 hours

booo chain restraunts..u suck! i like overpaying for burnt, crispy pizza..
 
2012-11-19 04:57:16 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Arkanaut: What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?

[i45.tinypic.com image 800x570]

Odds it's better than Papa John's? Probably pretty good.
May have to try a slice next time I'm back there.


cici's pizza looks better
 
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