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2012-11-16 09:51:00 AM
Martin, a part owner of Ian's Pizza, a pizza shop with four locations in Wisconsin, said his business has offered full heath care coverage to its 50 full-time employees for years, making it all the more difficult to compete with national chains like Papa John's that pay workers low wages without health benefits.

Hey, buddy - if you support socialism you don't deserve to compete in this great capitalist system.
 
2012-11-16 10:16:18 AM
There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?
 
2012-11-16 10:16:23 AM
Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.
 
2012-11-16 10:20:28 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.
 
2012-11-16 10:20:39 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.
 
2012-11-16 10:27:39 AM
his business has offered full heath care coverage

www.jvslandscape.com

What full heath care may look like.
 
2012-11-16 10:31:09 AM

Altman: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.

Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.


"Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too
 
2012-11-16 10:32:01 AM

pizen: Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.


Oh there are a few really good pizzas here in town. One about 5 miles away. The only times we order delivery is when me or the miss so badly f up dinner that we just cant eat it. Since we both enjoy cooking and trying new things total failure happens about 1 to 2 times a month. And by the time you get done cooking, admit that we failed the kids have their pjs on, I'm not going to run to get pizza.

I dont always go to get pizza, but when I do I eat Savastano's
 
2012-11-16 10:32:48 AM

Altman: Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.


And what's the deal with that garlic butter stuff? Does anyone use it? Hell, they could probably afford health care for their employees if they just cut that out of their inventory.
 
2012-11-16 10:34:37 AM

Carousel Beast: "Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too




Yes, you did express yourself poorly.

:P

Pizza Hut deep dish is edible, but just barely.
 
2012-11-16 10:39:04 AM
As a former PJ's delivery drone, all this CEO asshattery makes me smile.
 
2012-11-16 10:39:20 AM

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


As someone who has had Ian's in Madison and Milwaukee, Ian's is far superior. It's not Casa Bianca's though...RIP Casa B's. Your meatball pizza was mana straight from heaven.

On topic, HAHA Papa. Cry MOAR.
 
2012-11-16 10:40:41 AM

Arkanaut: There's that competition thing we've all been hearing about.

What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


It probably does. The reason that papa johns is able to undercut local shops is because they are able to buy in bulk at lower prices, and they offer online ordering. We have been moving to a cashless society, that hurts places that don't have an online presence.
 
2012-11-16 10:44:25 AM

Carousel Beast: Altman: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.

Disagree. I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

Papa John's sauce is wayy to sweet, their cheese isnt salty enough, and their crust is too thick and not chewy enough.

Also, in the wake of all the comments from their asshole CEO, fark them forever.

"Real" pizza to you is a pan of grease with soggy dough? Because that's what Pizza Hut is everywhere I've ever had it.

/Not knocking you, just expressing that different people have different tastes
//Poorly, too


I guess it's a bigger deal when you live outside of a "pizza" area. I lived in North Carolina for 6 years and really didnt love any of the pizza options, but found Pizza Hut to be the least distasteful. CSB.
 
2012-11-16 10:45:14 AM
My favorite: Toto's. Three locations on mid-San Francisco peninsula, awesome sauce, and they deliver.
 
2012-11-16 10:46:01 AM
i ordered papa johns once in the last 10 years... basically because you could order online and i was too hung over to talk to someone over the phone. i would rather have bought flour, yeast, grown my own tomatoes and made my own pizza than eat that cardboard like, school-lunch tasting pizza.

just found out a local place that offers infinitely better pizza also allows online ordering, so to hell with papa johns.

/ it's not often that i have this kind of a hangover, but when I do, i prefer not to deal with humanity.
// also, it's very rare that i opt for pizza while death is knocking, I usually go vietnamese or thai. punish the gastro-intestinal tract while replenishing fluids.
 
2012-11-16 10:47:56 AM
I like their pizza, and I love the garlic sauce. You can all kiss my fat ass!!!

//their CEO is still a douchebag, though
///closest town that has delivery pizza is 40 miles away, closest Papa Johns is over 100, so maybe it's just the fact that I only actually eat it about once a year that makes it seem more special
 
2012-11-16 10:48:12 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


Domino's could double their price, and they'd cost about the same as Papa John's.
 
2012-11-16 10:48:33 AM
The "ObamaCharge" was already paid for when they raised their prices during the Commodities Bubble of 2007 and never dropped them afterwards.
 
2012-11-16 10:52:33 AM

Arkanaut: What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?


i45.tinypic.com

Odds it's better than Papa John's? Probably pretty good.
May have to try a slice next time I'm back there.
 
2012-11-16 10:52:53 AM
Schnatter, a Romney supporter who held a fundraiser for the former Republican nominee, said in August that Obamacare would cost the company between 11 and 14 cents per pizza. Subsequent analysis by Caleb Melby of Forbes found that the price increase would actually be closer 3.4 to 3.6 cents per pie.

A quick googling shows that Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase. This is nothing but John Schnatter crying over fractions of a percent instead of taking care of his employees.

This is a fundamental problem with capitalism, the short-sightedness of the Tragedy of the Commons. Society as a whole will be much better off with these people having preventative care than waiting until an emergency room crisis we all end up paying for. You'd think conservatives of all people would understand the classic maxim of an ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure but all this greedy little man can see is fractions of a percent he will never miss going to make the lives better of his working-poor employees and he *hates* it.
 
2012-11-16 10:55:00 AM
Go Pizza Town

Awesome BBQ Chicken pizza.

/Haligonian
 
2012-11-16 10:56:07 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: pizen: Are there other options if you're willing to go pick it up? No good local pizza places deliver to my house but I'd rather go pick up good pizza than have crappy pizza delivered.

Oh there are a few really good pizzas here in town. One about 5 miles away. The only times we order delivery is when me or the miss so badly f up dinner that we just cant eat it. Since we both enjoy cooking and trying new things total failure happens about 1 to 2 times a month. And by the time you get done cooking, admit that we failed the kids have their pjs on, I'm not going to run to get pizza.

I dont always go to get pizza, but when I do I eat Savastano's


I get your pain, but I'd personally spend 15 or 20 minutes going to get it myself rather than waiting 45 minutes or more for the delivery driver to find my house.

Papa John's sucks, good thing we have a plethora of local and small chain pizza joints to choose from.
 
2012-11-16 10:56:10 AM
If I were running Papa Johns I'd be more concerned about Payton Manning trying to give away millions of free pizzas.
 
2012-11-16 10:58:54 AM
While Papa John has every right to fire his workers if he wants, making some stupid political statement out of it is the dumbest thing he could have done. I sure as shiat wouldn't have noticed if the price of my pizza went up $0.50, and I doubt many other people would have either. Now he's made himself look like a douche, and he'll surely lose more business than he would have had he simply raised his prices a bit.
 
2012-11-16 10:59:12 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


that's because you have poor taste
 
2012-11-16 10:59:18 AM
Are there really that many places in the US that don't have a local pizza shop that delivers ?

I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains.

Here in my area of NY the big chains don't even bother setting up shop. There are pizza joints everywhere and almost all of them deliver.
 
2012-11-16 10:59:32 AM

Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.


So your taste buds don't work? Pizza Hut is grease. Nothing but grease piled on greasy bread covered in greasy cheese. The only time Pizza Hut pizza is acceptable is if you haven't shiat in five days and you need a food sled to expedite your anus product.
 
2012-11-16 10:59:37 AM
Papa Johns is undercooked. The sauce doesn't even taste like it got hot let alone carmelized, synthesized, carbonized, hypmotized...
 
2012-11-16 11:06:26 AM
Papa John's is the best of the fast food pizza joints, IMO. I like the thin crust.

That said, the fact that I live within 1.5 miles of a real pizza joint that makes real pizza that's real good means I never have to eat fast food pizza from anywhere unless I'm just far too lazy or drunk to go pick it up.

I'd boycott them if I did though. Just on a different principle. I don't like to give my money to whiny, biatch-ass millionaires sobbing about their terrible plight to the masses.

Grow a pair and quit your blubbering you farking loser.
 
2012-11-16 11:06:55 AM

Arkanaut: What are the odds that the pizza at Ian's tastes better too?



In my opinion it's at least two orders of magnitude better than Papa John's. I eat at their Milwaukee E. North Ave. location whenever I'm in the neighborhood and hungry, and I love it. It's a by-the-slice joint and their combinations are a little surprising at first glance but it's very tasty and I'm always surprised that the total isn't a couple bucks higher than it is. Wonderful taste, great value.

In comparison Papa John's has that awful bready flavorless crust and their sauce tastes like it has as much HFCS as tomato in it. My ex-wife loves it though. Your mileage may vary.
 
2012-11-16 11:10:20 AM
Dominoes is soon to follow suit, I'm sure.
 
2012-11-16 11:14:28 AM
I find it ironic that affording healthcare reform is an issue for them as big chain pizza tends to make me feel sick. Maybe if Papa Johns didn't sell the dreck they call pizza, charging a few extra cents more per pie probably wouldn't hurt them. Same with Dominoes, Little Caesar's, and Pizza Hut. Nasty crap, all of them.

Fortunately, where I live, there are at least half a dozen pizza & sub restaurants within 10 minutes that are way, way better and worth the few extra cents. Plus the employees at these places actually seem like they are allowed to keep their souls which makes the experience with them a lot better.

If the quality of the product and service is there, I think most customers aren't gonna refuse giving you business over a small price hike. To me, this issue says more about John's pies and service than the effects of ebil soshalizm.
 
2012-11-16 11:14:48 AM

Lsherm: Altman: I'm from the NYC area, and of the three major chains (not familiar with Mario's), Pizza Hut tastes the most like "real" pizza.

So your taste buds don't work? Pizza Hut is grease. Nothing but grease piled on greasy bread covered in greasy cheese. The only time Pizza Hut pizza is acceptable is if you haven't shiat in five days and you need a food sled to expedite your anus product.


It's funny 'cause it's true!
 
2012-11-16 11:14:48 AM
NYPD Pizza has become one of the only chain pizzas I can take. And we have a smattering of them here in Orlando. Flippers is OK in a pinch. Expensive, though.
 
2012-11-16 11:16:46 AM
I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.
 
2012-11-16 11:24:05 AM

pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.


The CPK ones are probably the best, and half as expensive as ordering delivery.
 
2012-11-16 11:24:55 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.

The CPK ones are probably the best, and half as expensive as ordering delivery.


yeah, their thin crust pizzas rock.
 
2012-11-16 11:25:26 AM

pute kisses like a man: I would rather eat frozen pizza than papa johns.

/ after years of researching frozen pizzas, i have actually found a few that are pretty good.


Trader Joe's has some damn fine frozen pizza. Hell, I may just have to pick one up on my home from work.
 
2012-11-16 11:26:30 AM

kindms: I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains


the problem in our area, is that the good local ones are so popular that they don't do delivery. They don't need to.
 
2012-11-16 11:29:22 AM
But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

www.thecaptainsmemos.com

/hot
 
2012-11-16 11:29:29 AM
Where I live my delivery options are Papa John's and Domino's. Between those two, I order Papa John's, if it costs 10 cents more so their employees get healthcare, fine with me. I don't order pizza very much.

/comparing Papa Johns to your local pizza joint is like comparing McDonalds to a real restaurant, the things aren't even comparable so no shiat the restaurant food tastes better
//sometimes the convenience of McDonalds is more important than it being a gourmet meal which is especially true of pizza, which like sex, even when bad is still good
 
2012-11-16 11:29:33 AM

kindms: Are there really that many places in the US that don't have a local pizza shop that delivers ?

I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains.

Here in my area of NY the big chains don't even bother setting up shop. There are pizza joints everywhere and almost all of them deliver.


Yes

These are usually the same places that get excited when an Olive Garden opens up nearby. Of course here, in the heart of South Louisiana, I still can't understand why people were totally stoked when a farking Red Lobster opened up. A year later and it still has a packed parking lot when you drive by.
 
2012-11-16 11:30:58 AM

Banacek: But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

[www.thecaptainsmemos.com image 500x375]

/hot


The roof of my mouth hurts just looking at that.
 
2012-11-16 11:31:11 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: A quick googling shows that Papa John's profit margin is north of 40%, all on the back of minimum wage workers and less-than-minimum wage drivers. 40% profit and they are complaining of a 0.3% cost increase.


Point of information: you appear to be looking at their gross profit, which doesn't take into account operating costs. After expenses their profit margin is about 6% pre-tax and 4% after tax. That said it's still a lot of room to work with. Plus they could just do what every single business does, which is to pass it on to their customers either by raising prices or adding some kind of extra fee or service charge.
 
2012-11-16 11:34:21 AM

Katie98_KT: kindms: I've lived in the northeast my whole life and while the quality of the pizza varies I have never lived anywhere where I don't have multiple options for pizza delivery that does not include the major chains

the problem in our area, is that the good local ones are so popular that they don't do delivery. They don't need to.


We have a few of those. Those are the ones we hit when we aren't being lazy. Hell a few of them were cash only up until about a year ago.
 
2012-11-16 11:36:13 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Banacek: But how will the fighting in Gaza affect my Ellios?!??!

[www.thecaptainsmemos.com image 500x375]

/hot

The roof of my mouth hurts just looking at that.


You can cool it down with Yoohoo! I think I just turned back into a six year old...
 
2012-11-16 11:36:30 AM
Pizza thread? Pizza thread.

Everyone in downtown cincinnati area. Strong's in newport is the best in the city. period. Go there. I can walk there so I know you're already jelly, but they deliever at least as far as OTR, so get on it, amazing pie.
 
2012-11-16 11:39:04 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well in my neck of the woods if you want pizza delivered you get Dominoes, Pizza Hut, Papa Johns or Marios.

Papa John could double their price and they'd still get my business.


They could half it in neighborhood and I still wouldn't buy it. Actually, now with this dickhead move, they could cut their prices by 2/3 and I wouldn't buy it.

/I get better frozen pizza at Publix than any of those chains deliver.
 
2012-11-16 11:43:45 AM

Arkanaut: Point of information: you appear to be looking at their gross profit, which doesn't take into account operating costs. After expenses their profit margin is about 6% pre-tax and 4% after tax. That said it's still a lot of room to work with. Plus they could just do what every single business does, which is to pass it on to their customers either by raising prices or adding some kind of extra fee or service charge.


Whoa, you're right and I messed that one up real bad. Mea culpa.
 
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