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(Great Falls Tribune)   "Abnormal instrument readings, mysterious leak, military vehicles galore, missile launch facility, Air Force not responding." Great when it's a Hollywood movie pitch, not so good when it's a news item about actual Minuteman III nuclear site   (greatfallstribune.com) divider line 87
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2012-11-16 01:46:09 AM
I disagree.

I for one am glad to hear that our ability to instigate nuclear apocalypse has been left to rot.
 
2012-11-16 07:39:25 AM
What material was leaking? Nuclear material?
 
2012-11-16 07:40:43 AM
SHIAT THIS IS IT!

/ILL BE IN MY BUNKER
//PANIC!!!!1111
 
2012-11-16 07:42:00 AM
Relax, citizen.
 
2012-11-16 07:43:00 AM
So basically.....nothing happened.
 
2012-11-16 07:49:49 AM

Asa Phelps: I disagree.

I for one am glad to hear that our ability to instigate nuclear apocalypse has been left to rot.


I'm not. Rotting equipment becomes unreliable. Unreliable equipment causes accidents. *NUCLEAR* accidents. And while it's highly improbable that an actual nuclear detonation would occur, the chance that one or more warheads improperly detonated by accident could spread plutonium over a fairly wide area is much greater.
 
2012-11-16 07:52:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?


nah, just high ranking sex scandal. The fallout, which may poison the healthiest of careers, should be localized in this area at this time.
 
2012-11-16 07:53:11 AM

dittybopper: Asa Phelps: I disagree.

I for one am glad to hear that our ability to instigate nuclear apocalypse has been left to rot.

I'm not. Rotting equipment becomes unreliable. Unreliable equipment causes accidents. *NUCLEAR* accidents. And while it's highly improbable that an actual nuclear detonation would occur, the chance that one or more warheads improperly detonated by accident could spread plutonium over a fairly wide area is much greater.


Easy now,

It's not like anyone would make one of these on a dead man's switch
 
2012-11-16 07:53:47 AM
"Hey bro what's that smel-"

www.petergreenberg.com
 
2012-11-16 07:56:14 AM
Somewhere there is a remediation corp's CEO praying and making sacrifices to his Underworld god.
 
2012-11-16 07:57:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?


More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.
 
2012-11-16 07:58:49 AM

BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.


Glad I don't have to break out my picture of bananas, then.
 
2012-11-16 08:00:08 AM
If there are any other cold war buffs here check this out. The first file is of very poor quality but the rest are pretty good.
 
2012-11-16 08:00:14 AM
Well, when you have 500 or so of the darn things scattered around, a 0.002 failure rate shouldn't bother anyone.

/ actually quite happy that we have fewer than we used to, given that I grew up during the Cold War.
 
2012-11-16 08:13:14 AM

BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.


Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.
 
2012-11-16 08:14:23 AM
Nothing to see here. Swamp gass reflecting off a weather balloon caused a freak occurance. Happens all the time.
 
2012-11-16 08:18:00 AM
I don't get the headline, must have missed that movie. The article reads like an AF press release talking about how big a response there was.

dittybopper: Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.


OMG the nuke has suffered meltdown and the heat melted the solid fuel which went to a gaseous state and is leaking OMG.

/regular self and FARK self are arguing about who gets to post
 
2012-11-16 08:18:46 AM
Minuteman III missiles are solid-fueled, with a small, perhaps hypergolic, liquid component used for steering. Hypergolics are highly toxic and there would be a fire danger as well. A missile has caught fire and exploded in the silo before, famously, the blast propelled the warhead assembly off thru the air and onto the base. So some caution is in order.
 
2012-11-16 08:22:42 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: If there are any other cold war buffs here check this out. The first file is of very poor quality but the rest are pretty good.


Thanks. As an old cold warrior I love this stuff.
 
2012-11-16 08:24:10 AM
"There was a helicopter that came out here, came down but didn't land, and then took off again."

Yeah, I bet the loud clicking from the rad counters fended them off.

Priority A issues..

They'll cover it up.

With tons of concrete.
 
2012-11-16 08:27:12 AM
1 occurrence of something like this? No worries. If it starts becoming a pattern, worry.
 
2012-11-16 08:28:34 AM

Any Pie Left: Minuteman III missiles are solid-fueled, with a small, perhaps hypergolic, liquid component used for steering. Hypergolics are highly toxic and there would be a fire danger as well. A missile has caught fire and exploded in the silo before, famously, the blast propelled the warhead assembly off thru the air and onto the base. So some caution is in order.


As I recall, that incident happened with a Titan II missile, which uses hypergolic storable liquid propellants, and it was instigated by a technician who dropped a wrench near the top of the silo, and it bounced up and punctured a fuel tank on the missile.
 
2012-11-16 08:37:50 AM

uttertosh: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

nah, just high ranking sex scandal. The fallout, which may poison the healthiest of careers, should be localized in this area at this time.


Good thing I haven't had a working weapon since Korea.
 
2012-11-16 08:37:56 AM

dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.


If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.
 
2012-11-16 08:42:43 AM
i70.photobucket.com

/fark, you should know better....I am disappoint.
 
2012-11-16 08:44:06 AM
UFO shuts down missles.
Link
 
2012-11-16 08:45:07 AM

edmo: Thanks. As an old cold warrior I love this stuff.


Enjoy! I live within 6 miles of two decommissioned Atlas F sites. Here is a snap of Corinth West which is the site north of town.

www.siloworld.net


There have been some additions to that site recently including the construction records. Generally pretty boring but since I live near them, I find them pretty fascinating.
 
2012-11-16 08:53:49 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
It looks so simple.
 
2012-11-16 08:58:38 AM

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.


That's because it is.
 
2012-11-16 09:01:10 AM

BullBearMS: dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.


Yes, I know, and BTW that's not technically true that liquid fuel is needed accurately steer a missile: You can use pressurized inert gas in a conventional RCS-type system, you can gimble the nozzle (yes, even on a solid fuel booster), and you can even use a series of solid fuel "one shot" thrusters, though that tends to be inefficient weight-wise. Another solution is vanes, which the V-2 used. They can either be thrust vanes, or aerodynamic. Aerodynamic ones don't require fins, as they can be simple flap-like devices, and the majority of coarse course corrections are going to happen in the atmosphere anyway because it requires less effort to make those corrections at the very beginning of the trajectory.
 
2012-11-16 09:01:12 AM
I'd like to know who their 'map expert' is.
FTA: "connector route linking Highway 191 east of Roy with Highway 87 at Grass Range"
and "northwest of Lewistown"

WTF maps? How the fark was this northwest of Lewistown?

Google map of the three towns (new window)
 
2012-11-16 09:02:13 AM
be careful what you shoot at. Most things in here don't react too well to bullets.
 
2012-11-16 09:04:31 AM
We dig our dinosaurs out there in Echo Field. There's military vehicles and helicopters galore on a normal day too, especially when they open up the lid.

Those silos may look remote and abandoned, but don't try to drive up to the chain link fence.
 
2012-11-16 09:07:49 AM
If there is a suspected/actual leak, we will inform the community and base populace of what measures need to be taken to ensure their safety. cover that shiat up and hope like hell that by the time people start growing extra appendages, the high ranking officials who could be held responsible are retired and/or dead."

FTFThem
 
2012-11-16 09:09:00 AM
pag1107:

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.

That's because it is.


It looks so simple at first, and that's what committed the US to a completely unworkable missile defense system.

Well, that, and this psychopath:

www.pbs.org

If you want the face of the cold war, it's not Josef Stalin. It's this guy.
 
2012-11-16 09:13:02 AM
That's Teller. Penn Jillette's partner.
 
2012-11-16 09:16:40 AM

Any Pie Left: Minuteman III missiles are solid-fueled, with a small, perhaps hypergolic, liquid component used for steering. Hypergolics are highly toxic and there would be a fire danger as well. A missile has caught fire and exploded in the silo before, famously, the blast propelled the warhead assembly off thru the air and onto the base. So some caution is in order.


They should put the warheads in lead-lined refrigerators as a precaution.
 
2012-11-16 09:18:02 AM

maxheck: pag1107:

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.

That's because it is.

It looks so simple at first, and that's what committed the US to a completely unworkable missile defense system.

Well, that, and this psychopath:

[www.pbs.org image 150x171]

If you want the face of the cold war, it's not Josef Stalin. It's this guy.


Yes, because Hiram Maxim was responsible for the deaths in WWI. That's an analogy pointing out the idiocy of your statement, btw.
 
2012-11-16 09:20:45 AM

dittybopper: BullBearMS: dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.

Yes, I know, and BTW that's not technically true that liquid fuel is needed accurately steer a missile: You can use pressurized inert gas in a conventional RCS-type system, you can gimble the nozzle (yes, even on a solid fuel booster), and you can even use a series of solid fuel "one shot" thrusters, though that tends to be inefficient weight-wise. Another solution is vanes, which the V-2 used. They can either be thrust vanes, or aerodynamic. Aerodynamic ones don't require fins, as they can be simple flap-like devices, and the majority of coarse course corrections are going to happen in the atmosphere anyway because it requires less effort to make those corrections at the very beginning of the trajectory.


You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night didn't you?
 
2012-11-16 09:22:00 AM

dittybopper: BullBearMS: dittybopper: BullBearMS: AverageAmericanGuy: What material was leaking? Nuclear material?

More likely rocket fuel. The ones that allow for long storage periods at lower pressures tend to be quite toxic.

Minuteman missiles are solid-fueled. Not a rocket fuel leak.

If they only had solid fuel, there wouldn't be any way to accurately aim warheads. Once you ignite solid fuel, there is no way to control it. It burns until it burns out.

Minuteman-III still being a missile with three solid-fuel stages, introduced in the post-boost stage ("bus") an additional liquid-fuel propulsion system rocket engine (PSRE) that is used to slightly adjust the trajectory.

Yes, I know, and BTW that's not technically true that liquid fuel is needed accurately steer a missile: You can use pressurized inert gas in a conventional RCS-type system, you can gimble the nozzle (yes, even on a solid fuel booster), and you can even use a series of solid fuel "one shot" thrusters, though that tends to be inefficient weight-wise. Another solution is vanes, which the V-2 used. They can either be thrust vanes, or aerodynamic. Aerodynamic ones don't require fins, as they can be simple flap-like devices, and the majority of coarse course corrections are going to happen in the atmosphere anyway because it requires less effort to make those corrections at the very beginning of the trajectory.


Wouldn't it be simpler to just go ahead and admit that the Minuteman III does indeed contain rocket fuel capable of leaking?
 
2012-11-16 09:24:03 AM
All I know is I heard the alarm from Half-Life in my head, followed by the Gman voice...

/Forget about Freeman!
 
2012-11-16 09:25:11 AM

Prevailing Wind: You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night didn't you?


No. I'm just funny that way.

/Welcome to "All Things Ballistic".
//Our motto is: If it's not ballistic, it's *CRAP*
 
2012-11-16 09:27:10 AM
dittybopper:

maxheck: pag1107:

sallys: [upload.wikimedia.org image 600x436]
It looks so simple.

That's because it is.

It looks so simple at first, and that's what committed the US to a completely unworkable missile defense system.

Well, that, and this psychopath:

[www.pbs.org image 150x171]

If you want the face of the cold war, it's not Josef Stalin. It's this guy.

Yes, because Hiram Maxim was responsible for the deaths in WWI. That's an analogy pointing out the idiocy of your statement, btw.

Please explain how Hiram Maxim was half so influential as Teller.

I know Teller lived a horrific life. How he was able to inflict his nightmares on the rest of us just points to a farked up situation. If you want a referent, look at Dick Cheney.
 
2012-11-16 09:30:56 AM

BullBearMS: Wouldn't it be simpler to just go ahead and admit that the Minuteman III does indeed contain rocket fuel capable of leaking?


No.

You see, at first, I was kind of dismissive of the idea, because the amount of liquid fuel in a Minuteman III isn't all that large, certainly not enough to breach the containment of a missile silo. Then I thought for a minute and said to myself "Self, the amount of liquid fuel probably large enough to possibly ignite one of the solid booster stages, which would then cause the other stages to ignite in the silo, with very, very, very bad consequences". Essentially, you've then got a very large gun with a very plugged up muzzle. Boom time.

This being Fark, however, you doubtlessly understand that I must continue to defend my position whether it's tenable or not.
 
2012-11-16 09:33:41 AM
dittybopper:

Lemme put it a bit more bluntly. Teller wasn't just a brilliant physicist. He was whispering policy from a (to my mind, warped) perspective into the ears of US Presidents. He was personally responsible for the US overestimating the USSR arsenal and building 4000+ nukes. He was a major force in the "Star Wars" defense shield. Some of these things weren't entirely attached to reality.
 
2012-11-16 09:34:14 AM
My younger brother is a missile tech at that base. I always tell him, if I get a call from you at 3 AM I will immediately poop my britches.
 
2012-11-16 09:36:02 AM

dittybopper: BullBearMS: Wouldn't it be simpler to just go ahead and admit that the Minuteman III does indeed contain rocket fuel capable of leaking?

No.

You see, at first, I was kind of dismissive of the idea, because the amount of liquid fuel in a Minuteman III isn't all that large, certainly not enough to breach the containment of a missile silo. Then I thought for a minute and said to myself "Self, the amount of liquid fuel probably large enough to possibly ignite one of the solid booster stages, which would then cause the other stages to ignite in the silo, with very, very, very bad consequences". Essentially, you've then got a very large gun with a very plugged up muzzle. Boom time.

This being Fark, however, you doubtlessly understand that I must continue to defend my position whether it's tenable or not.


Henceforth to be known as the Welcome to Fark defense. dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-11-16 09:39:20 AM

Maud Dib: My younger brother is a missile tech at that base. I always tell him, if I get a call from you at 3 AM I will immediately poop my britches.


Then be glad I'm not your younger brother, because at least twice a month, you'd get calls at 3 AM with me screaming "Oh God, what have we done? Quick, get in your basement! And call Mom!"

/because I'm a prick that way
 
2012-11-16 09:40:12 AM

maxheck: How he was able to inflict his nightmares on the rest of us just points to a farked up situation.


You know people who died in a nuclear holocaust? No?

Teller is a convenient punching bag for people who want to assign blame for all the bad things that happened. Not that he was a shining example of humanity, necessarily, but he didn't make any policy decisions on our side, he merely advocated for some, and he had *ZERO* influence on the actions of the Soviets.

The truth is, there is plenty of blame to go around, and that blame should rest on decision makers, not on those that advise them.

Teller's biggest problem is that the only tool he had was the hammer of the hydrogen bomb, and to him every problem looked like a nail.
 
2012-11-16 09:41:07 AM

maxheck: dittybopper:

Lemme put it a bit more bluntly. Teller wasn't just a brilliant physicist. He was whispering policy from a (to my mind, warped) perspective into the ears of US Presidents. He was personally responsible for the US overestimating the USSR arsenal and building 4000+ nukes. He was a major force in the "Star Wars" defense shield. Some of these things weren't entirely attached to reality.


Let me put it even more bluntly:

The truth is, there is plenty of blame to go around, and that blame should rest on decision makers, not on those that advise them.
 
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